Battlegrounds and DB Performance

[Rothgar]

<p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p>

[Kel]

<p>Good. Let them zone slow instead of people actually playing EQ2.</p>

[Brook]

<p><cite>Kel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Good. Let them zone slow instead of people actually playing EQ2.</p></blockquote><p>Battlegrounds are a part of EQ2 now whether we like it or not. I am grateful they are at least trying to do something to straighten it out for us.</p>

[steelbadger]

<p>Thank you Rothgar.  I appreciate the information.</p><p>How much slower is slower though?  It can already take a considerable amount of time to get back into RE after a match, is it going to get worse?</p>

[Kel]

<p><cite>Brook wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kel wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Good. Let them zone slow instead of people actually playing EQ2.</p></blockquote><p>Battlegrounds are a part of EQ2 now whether we like it or not. I am grateful they are at least trying to do something to straighten it out for us.</p></blockquote><p>No, BG's is a sideshow. It shouldn't even be integrated as much as it is with the gear, the gear should have almost 0 effect in PvE.</p><p>And PvE gear should have almost 0 effect in PvP.</p><p>But I guess that concept is terrible.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><p><cite><p>We've stated (Rothgar and many other members of the code team) that BG's are NOT the cause of the server issues.</p></cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but <span style="color: #ff0000;">we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</span></p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p></blockquote><p>So which is it?</p>

[EasternKing]

<p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p>We've stated (Rothgar and many other members of the code team) that BG's are NOT the cause of the server issues.</p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but <span style="color: #ff0000;">we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</span></p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p></blockquote><p>So which is it?</p></blockquote><p>They are playing semantics, technically Kiara's statement is true, it is not BG causing the issue, the Issue is caused by so many people logging in and out, which with no BG wouldnt happen, but BG is not impacting server performance, if people didnt have to load to it like the do, we would see little to no impact to game play.</p>

[Kenban]

<p><cite>EasternKing wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p>We've stated (Rothgar and many other members of the code team) that BG's are NOT the cause of the server issues.</p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but <span style="color: #ff0000;">we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</span></p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p></blockquote><p>So which is it?</p></blockquote><p>They are playing semantics, technically Kiara's statement is true, it is not BG causing the issue, the Issue is caused by so many people logging in and out, which with no BG wouldnt happen, but BG is not impacting server performance, if people didnt have to load to it like the do, we would see little to no impact to game play.</p></blockquote><p>I think the problem is there are two different issues and people are getting them mixed up.  There is the database performance which causes the slow zoning, slow broker transactions, etc.  Then there is the general lag issues some people are experiencing during combat where things can seem to stop for a period of time.  That comment from Kiara is about the general server problems while the one from Rothgar is about the database performance.  Two separate issues which according to the devs have different causes.</p>

[Rothgar]

<p><cite>Kenban wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>EasternKing wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p>We've stated (Rothgar and many other members of the code team) that BG's are NOT the cause of the server issues.</p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but <span style="color: #ff0000;">we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</span></p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p></blockquote><p>So which is it?</p></blockquote><p>They are playing semantics, technically Kiara's statement is true, it is not BG causing the issue, the Issue is caused by so many people logging in and out, which with no BG wouldnt happen, but BG is not impacting server performance, if people didnt have to load to it like the do, we would see little to no impact to game play.</p></blockquote><p>I think the problem is there are two different issues and people are getting them mixed up.  There is the database performance which causes the slow zoning, slow broker transactions, etc.  Then there is the general lag issues some people are experiencing during combat where things can seem to stop for a period of time.  That comment from Kiara is about the general server problems while the one from Rothgar is about the database performance.  Two separate issues which according to the devs have different causes.</p></blockquote><p>Thank you, you are 100% correct.  Kiara's post was in reference to a thread about server lag which had nothing to do with battlegrounds.  My post was regarding DB issues which manifest themselves as slow zoning, broker delays, etc.  I know it can be confusing sometimes to tell the problems apart.</p>

[Rothgar]

<p>Did you guys noticed any slower return times Friday night?  This throttling was on all evening but hopefully you won't have noticed a big difference.</p>

[BlueEternal]

<p>It actually wasn't as bad as I thought, maybe 30-40 seconds at max was the worst I had it hang at the end of a match.</p>

[bks6721]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did you guys noticed any slower return times Friday night?  This throttling was on all evening but hopefully you won't have noticed a big difference.</p></blockquote><p>I played about 20 matches Friday night and didn't even notice slower zoning at all.  It wasn't until I read this thread that I knew about it.</p>

[steelbadger]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did you guys noticed any slower return times Friday night?  This throttling was on all evening but hopefully you won't have noticed a big difference.</p></blockquote><p>On Runnyeye I had no problems zoning around normally.  Everything seemed nice and fast.  Zoning out of BGs was quite a lengthy process, but to be honest it wasn't as bad as it has been over the last couple of weeks.  It certainly wasn't much worse.</p>

[bryan4171]

<p>Beegee was running fine last night ran about 20 in all 3 zones.</p>

[Sosum]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Did you guys noticed any slower return times Friday night?  This throttling was on all evening but hopefully you won't have noticed a big difference.</p></blockquote><p>Zoning in and out of pera'cillis Labs was still longer but not as long as it has been.</p>

[Brook]

<p>I dont do BG's, Fri evening on Naggy I still notice a good bit of broker lag and longer than normal zone times not as bad as it has been, Sat morning zoning times seemed normal but broker lag was horrible.</p><p>This may not be related but I have noticed a good deal of trouble as of late trying to get in game while in TD, especially if my character is around the Mok Rent area. The game flat hangs up on updating environmental data and I have tried disabling shadows, switching to windowed mode and various other setting. Sometimes if I sign on a different character I can camp to the one that bugs out and it lets me in, other times I cant and have to play a different toon for awhile. There is no crash report generated because I have to use the task manager to end EQ2 process to unlock it. I watched cpu usage during the lockup and as soon as it starts checking environmental data the cpu usage goes to basically nothing.</p><p>The reason I am bringing it up here is because during the times I have trouble getting into game are also the same times I have longer than normal zone times and I have the broker lag problems as well. I dont know if its related or not, the problems seem to come and go with no set pattern I can duplicate on my end but my ping is good and it stays usually around 200-300.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p>zone times and broker lag is terribad right now on Nagafen.</p><p>Talking pre-DB upgrade zone times I'm going through right now, can't imagine what they will jump up to when raids start.</p>

[salerene]

<p>To the SOE People. why can't you guys just create a lobby on the BG server that everyone zones to.  Someone posted this idea before.</p><p>Just make it so that when you go into BG's you go to a lobby on the BG"s server first(the lobby would be PVE area.) Once there the players can select which type of battle they want. Once they are done with thier battle they would return to the lobby and would only return to thier server when they wanted to. You could have an NPC to return them to thier server.</p>

[Zabom]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p></blockquote><p>just curious here, but wouldn't it solve a lot of the problems of people logging in and out to have a window at the end of a BG match asking if you wish to reenter que for another? That way people who are running several consecutive BGs can actually stay logged into the BG server the whole time. The BG hub concept works well to make this possible.</p>

[KatrinaDeath]

<p><cite>Zabom wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p></blockquote><p>just curious here, but wouldn't it solve a lot of the problems of people logging in and out to have a window at the end of a BG match asking if you wish to reenter que for another? That way people who are running several consecutive BGs can actually stay logged into the BG server the whole time. The BG hub concept works well to make this possible.</p></blockquote><p>Great idea!</p>

[Evillilpuck]

<p><cite>Zabom wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Through this weekend we're going to throttle the speed in which players return from a battlegrounds match in effort to lessen the impact on home worlds.  This might result in a little longer time for your character to be moved home after the match is over, but we feel this will be the best way to keep battlegrounds going at full capacity without having as much impact on the home databases.</p><p>We are continuing to work on other permanent solutions to improve performance and will have more information on those in the future.</p></blockquote><p>just curious here, but wouldn't it solve a lot of the problems of people logging in and out to have a window at the end of a BG match asking if you wish to reenter que for another? That way people who are running several consecutive BGs can actually stay logged into the BG server the whole time. The BG hub concept works well to make this possible.</p></blockquote><p>+1!</p><p>Isn't it just like creating a BG hub-zone, minus the zone?  No changes to inventory, no unnecessary copying, etc ...  Save all the tokens til you get back to home-server and then get all of them.</p><p>Then again, I'm using common sense and trying to apply it to programming, so i'm probably completely off base with how easy it'd be <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[SageGaspar]

<p>I actually really like the idea of staying logged into the BG hub servers. It'd be awesome if there was an actual BG hub zone where people could form groups and chat or smacktalk between matches.</p>

[Hellswrath]

<p><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I actually really like the idea of staying logged into the BG hub servers. It'd be awesome if there was an actual BG hub zone where people could form groups and chat or smacktalk between matches.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed.  Would love to see this.</p>

[Veskandar]

<p>After battle the splitpaw guys left and 15 min later I'm still waiting to return to runnyeye</p>

[altuslum]

<p>Not going to or from BGs, but zoning on Mistmoore is extremely slow tonight (03/29/2010 @ 7:45pm ET).  About 5 minute to zone into Lair of the Dragon Queen on a low population server.</p><p>At 9:00pm ET the zone time into Perah'Celsis' Abominable Laboratory has been 20 minutes so far and the guild is still waiting.</p>

[EQPrime]

<p><cite>altuslumen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Not going to or from BGs, but zoning on Mistmoore is extremely slow tonight (03/29/2010 @ 7:45pm ET).  About 5 minute to zone into Lair of the Dragon Queen on a low population server.</p><p>At 9:00pm ET the zone time into Perah'Celsis' Abominable Laboratory has been 20 minutes so far and the guild is still waiting.</p></blockquote><p>Been trying to zone into the x2 for over 20 minutes.  Started trying to zone around 9:10pm EDT.</p>

[Treuw]

<p>Well I know I have about had it with this "lag" due to database management even if it's not server lag. I presently have 3 accounts, had them for years now, but I think pretty soon I am going to shut down at least two of them, and maybe the third, and find a game where things don't come to a dead stop trying to zone in for a raid. Waiting 20 minutes to zone, waiting 10 minutes to buy something on the broker... I mean REALLY, we are paying money to PLAY, not sit around and wait and get irritated, just because SOE can't manage some new aspect of the game.</p><p>If you can't fix the problem in a timely manner (and it's sure been a while now), then put BG on hold until you CAN make it work seamlessly, this is just BS. It's pretty stupid marketing to alienate the people that want to PLAY, because you want to run some new sub-game.</p><p>Anyway, as soon as I'm done with this rant, I'm going to go disable two of my accounts, and then we will see about the last one. Pretty bad when "tech support" tells you that nothing can be done because it's not their domain, and the devs don't seem concerned about losing customers. Oh well</p>

[JimmyC01]

<p>/real tears</p>

[Blambil]

<p>RE: the DB issue, I suspected BG zoning was causing Broker lag, thanks for the confirm..</p><p>FWIW, broker lag, at times, can still be REALLLLLY painful.. like 60+ seconds per item-into-sales-display kinda painful..</p>