How many Rangers have Betrayed/Changed Mains/Stopped Playing?

[Mathrim]

<p>Just out of curiousity, I was wondering how many other rangers out there have chosen the paths of betrayal to assassin, changed to a different main, or stopped playing their ranger altogether?</p><p>In my situation, I have chosen or been asked to play my Mystic 85 to 90% of my raiding time now.  While I am not in a top tier raiding guild doing end line SF content, I am still finding it hard to justify bringing my ranger to a raid with my current dps and lack of raid utility.  Pretty much everyone in our raid force is 90 with 235+ aa's now, and from what I have seen personally, my ranger has improved far less than the other scouts and mage dps.  </p><p>From what I've seen at the "site that shall not be named", top tier Assassins are parsing 50-60k, warlocks are doing 40-50k, wizards are doing 35-40,  while rangers are bringing up the rear in the 30-35k range.  I am also seeing Dirges, Swashies, Brigands, Conjy's, and Necros hitting 30-35k.  I don't think there can be any denying the fact that Rangers are definitely a T2 dps class now.</p><p>I have read the thread below about Discriminatory Game Mechanics where a couple of the Dev's said they would look into the issues with our class when they have time.  While that gives me some hope that maybe a few months from now, I might be needed again, I just don't have the heart right now to be an average dps with almost no group/raid utility.  </p><p>I was mainly just curious from reading the threads on various websites and also here, how many people have chosen to shelve their rangers for now.</p><p>I'm hoping maybe someone will tell me that I just suck at playing my ranger and the gaps in dps/utility I'm seeing are just because I'm pressing the wrong buttons.  Please tell me that this is so!  At least that is something that I could work on and fix myself before I lose hope.</p><p>Thanks for reading and taking time to respond fellow rangers!</p>

[Striikor]

<p>Well I quit playing altogether, so one <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[bryan4171]

<p>I am just considering moving to another game if we get no actual word from Devs soon which I doubt there will be.  On the bright side SWTOR is out soon, maybee it will be worth giving a shot.  </p><p>So they lose a almost 6 year account they got my money already.  No big deal to them i guess.</p>

[Delarm131]

<p>It sorta gets to me that I made a Ranger around Expansion release and rushed him to 90, now knowing that his dps is lower than most DPS classes.  I still enjoy the ranger and will continue playing him and a few alts for a while.</p><p>If they do fix the rangers I bet most servers will be over populated with them since it seems so many people have one and are waitign for the fix.</p>

[EQ2Magroo]

<p>Well my subscription runs out on Friday and I've not renewed it.</p><p>This release had so much promise, especially given the extended release cycle the devs had, but it's been riddled with bugs/problems all of which were easily forseen and avoidable. Everything about the release just makes me believe more and more that all the experienced devs have left, and we're destined to repeat all the past mistakes again whilst the new guys learn their trade.</p><p>It wouldn't suprise me if they haven't even *started* to look at the Ranger problems yet, what with having to resolve all the BG stuff etc. I might be wrong, but if I was you I wouldn't hold my breath for any fixes in the next LU (whenever that eventually arrives)</p><p>BTW for those continuing to play - I have 100,000+ titanium field points for sale on broker at 7s each, so come get em quick <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Ranja]

<p><cite>Mathrin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just out of curiousity, I was wondering how many other rangers out there have chosen the paths of betrayal to assassin, changed to a different main, or stopped playing their ranger altogether?</p><p>In my situation, I have chosen or been asked to play my Mystic 85 to 90% of my raiding time now.  While I am not in a top tier raiding guild doing end line SF content, I am still finding it hard to justify bringing my ranger to a raid with my current dps and lack of raid utility.  Pretty much everyone in our raid force is 90 with 235+ aa's now, and from what I have seen personally, my ranger has improved far less than the other scouts and mage dps.  </p><p>From what I've seen at the "site that shall not be named", top tier Assassins are parsing 50-60k, warlocks are doing 40-50k, wizards are doing 35-40,  while rangers are bringing up the rear in the 30-35k range.  I am also seeing Dirges, Swashies, Brigands, Conjy's, and Necros hitting 30-35k.  I don't think there can be any denying the fact that Rangers are definitely a T2 dps class now.</p><p>I have read the thread below about Discriminatory Game Mechanics where a couple of the Dev's said they would look into the issues with our class when they have time.  While that gives me some hope that maybe a few months from now, I might be needed again, I just don't have the heart right now to be an average dps with almost no group/raid utility.  </p><p>I was mainly just curious from reading the threads on various websites and also here, how many people have chosen to shelve their rangers for now.</p><p>I'm hoping maybe someone will tell me that I just suck at playing my ranger and the gaps in dps/utility I'm seeing are just because I'm pressing the wrong buttons.  Please tell me that this is so!  At least that is something that I could work on and fix myself before I lose hope.</p><p>Thanks for reading and taking time to respond fellow rangers!</p></blockquote><p>I quit. Sub runs up soon. I did switch to an SK though for my remaining time. I will never buy another SOE game again. Given their customer service and support.</p>

[Walford]

<p>Like Adeyar I play an INQUISITOR, and this has been my main since the end of EoF. </p><p>I have found the history of attempting to level our DPS with other top classes through the use of one single bow at the end of a tier has been a thoroughly off-putting element of being a ranger. </p><p>I have also been disappointed with changes made to the class <strong>at the end</strong> of an expansion which really would have improved issues identified by rangers at the outset of said expansion!  That is the worst kind of punishment, because it just makes you feel like it is done with intent to constrain your gameplay.</p><p>I am not level capped  or capped in my AA for TSO as yet, but I am not 'chomping at the bit' either. </p><p>I will continue to sub... as this game is about more than parses for me at this point, but I would steer people away from rolling up a ranger on the assumption that they can easily raid with it. </p><p>CanulGuild Officer... Ranger <Renegades> AB</p>

[bryan4171]

<p>Well just an update I think Sunday will be my last day as a ranger........</p><p>I guess I could always betray back.  </p>

[Ranja]

<p><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mathrin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just out of curiousity, I was wondering how many other rangers out there have chosen the paths of betrayal to assassin, changed to a different main, or stopped playing their ranger altogether?</p><p>In my situation, I have chosen or been asked to play my Mystic 85 to 90% of my raiding time now.  While I am not in a top tier raiding guild doing end line SF content, I am still finding it hard to justify bringing my ranger to a raid with my current dps and lack of raid utility.  Pretty much everyone in our raid force is 90 with 235+ aa's now, and from what I have seen personally, my ranger has improved far less than the other scouts and mage dps.  </p><p>From what I've seen at the "site that shall not be named", top tier Assassins are parsing 50-60k, warlocks are doing 40-50k, wizards are doing 35-40,  while rangers are bringing up the rear in the 30-35k range.  I am also seeing Dirges, Swashies, Brigands, Conjy's, and Necros hitting 30-35k.  I don't think there can be any denying the fact that Rangers are definitely a T2 dps class now.</p><p>I have read the thread below about Discriminatory Game Mechanics where a couple of the Dev's said they would look into the issues with our class when they have time.  While that gives me some hope that maybe a few months from now, I might be needed again, I just don't have the heart right now to be an average dps with almost no group/raid utility.  </p><p>I was mainly just curious from reading the threads on various websites and also here, how many people have chosen to shelve their rangers for now.</p><p>I'm hoping maybe someone will tell me that I just suck at playing my ranger and the gaps in dps/utility I'm seeing are just because I'm pressing the wrong buttons.  Please tell me that this is so!  At least that is something that I could work on and fix myself before I lose hope.</p><p>Thanks for reading and taking time to respond fellow rangers!</p></blockquote><p>I quit. Sub runs up soon. I did switch to an SK though for my remaining time. I will never buy another SOE game again. Given their customer service and support. And I will tell all my friends to never buy one of their products again.</p></blockquote>

[Odysia]

<p>Swapped my main to be a Dirge instead.</p><p>Have only played my ranger for crafting (he is a ww).</p><p>My ranger will be the last of my adventuring toons to be levelled past 80, and when his turn does come I will assess the curent state of play at that point. Unless there have been radical changes he will be betraying.</p>

[bryan4171]

<p>Well i think my Sig. Block says it all.  And all i can say is wow not what I wanted but it is a fun class.  FYI my DPS pretty much doubled.  </p><p>If ranger changes ever do come thru I betray again only took 2 hours.</p>

[Ademelo]

<p>I've been playing my Warden as my main since xpac came out. I've leveled my ranger up and I play a bit here and there, but I can't justify being in a raid when there's so many other options to chose from that bring more dps and more utility than he does, so he's effectively shelved also. My subscription runs out in May. If nothing is done to FIX the ranger class, that will be my last day on the game. I've given the game 6 years, since day 1, so I'm sure SoE won't care since they have my money also.</p>

[Myrrhia]

<p> I just bought SF and am in the process of leveling my Ranger to 90.  It's been decent so far, but I have no illusions for the future.  Ranger has always been and will continue to be my favorite class starting with EQ 1 and I admit it has been painful to see and experience the changes that have occurred.  I have been switching between my SK and my Warlock in the interim. </p>

[kidpaul]

<p>I may say harsh things about the class I play. I might sometimes joke about the class I play even thou it doesn't come of as a joke but to answer the question.</p><p>"from my cold, dead hands"</p>

[TaleraRis]

<p>I've been on an MMO hiatus for a bit now, especially during school. But I could never betray Gwyneth. She is and always will be a ranger, no matter how they change us.</p>

[Sydares]

<p>Spending the XP weekend grinding AAs on my Paladin.</p>

[bryan4171]

<p>So thought I would say goodbye, </p><p>My sub ends 6/1 </p><p>I was fed up with the lack of anything with rangers, so I betrayed did not enjoy that play style, so decided to cancel.</p><p>I hope all of you that are waiting for a ranger fix get what you are looking for.</p><p>SOE you suck over the last 3 years took a class I loved to play (5 year account)  and destroyed it.  If you do not start listening to your customers we are all going to bail on you.  I dont care how great new content is or how pretty you make it look with shaders 3.0, bottom line if im not happy with my class I will go elsewhere.  And the new update was just a huge let down for most of the Ranger community.  </p><p>And i guess one last note when people cry the answer is always not to "nerf" a class seems this is your new approach to everything, would explain why class balance is so out of wack.</p><p>Get back to basics of what each class does, Tank, CC, Heal, DPS.</p><p>Good hunting all !!!!</p>

[Umub]

<p>I considered betraying when SF came out and I was 80, but decided to stick it out. I am very happy that I did. I don't currently have time to raid and don't expect to for a while, so I spend my time Soloing, doing instances and BGs. I find my ranger does great at all three. Soloing on my ranger is much faster and easier than my SK. I just kill stuff faster. And doing PUGs and guild groups, I am still at the top of the parse with very few exceptions.</p><p>I do understand and sympathise with the issues for raiding rangers, but as a currently non-raiding ranger, I am very pleased with the changes made for SF.</p>

[glowsintheda]

<p><cite>Umub wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I considered betraying when SF came out and I was 80, but decided to stick it out. I am very happy that I did. I don't currently have time to raid and don't expect to for a while, so I spend my time Soloing, doing instances and BGs. I find my ranger does great at all three. Soloing on my ranger is much faster and easier than my SK. I just kill stuff faster. And doing PUGs and guild groups, I am still at the top of the parse with very few exceptions.</p><p>I do understand and sympathise with the issues for raiding rangers, but as a currently non-raiding ranger, I am very pleased with the changes made for SF.</p></blockquote><p>While you may be able to kill single mobs faster with your ranger, if you aren't able to kill more mobs overall in a faster period of time with your SK then you aredoing something wrong.  SKs were made for pulling swarms</p>

[Ranja]

<p><cite>glowsinthedark wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Umub wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I considered betraying when SF came out and I was 80, but decided to stick it out. I am very happy that I did. I don't currently have time to raid and don't expect to for a while, so I spend my time Soloing, doing instances and BGs. I find my ranger does great at all three. Soloing on my ranger is much faster and easier than my SK. I just kill stuff faster. And doing PUGs and guild groups, I am still at the top of the parse with very few exceptions.</p><p>I do understand and sympathise with the issues for raiding rangers, but as a currently non-raiding ranger, I am very pleased with the changes made for SF.</p></blockquote><p>While you may be able to kill single mobs faster with your ranger, if you aren't able to kill more mobs overall in a faster period of time with your SK then you aredoing something wrong.  SKs were made for pulling swarms</p></blockquote><p>Yes agreed. I play and 86 SK as well as a ranger since release. While the ranger might be able to kill one mob faster, my SK mowed down multiple mobs and could complete quests way faster because of this</p>

[Umub]

<p>In my experience the ranger is generally a lot faster in the outdoor zones against the non-heroic and ^heroic mobs. I can generally kill these mobs at range in about 1-2 second for non-heroic and 3-4 seconds for heroic. Then tab target another one and do it again.  With an SK you have to "collect" the mobs to kill. So in reality I spend more time running around aggroing the mobs to kill or tab target and attacking to bring them to me than I do on my ranger.  In more densely pack areas, then sure the SK is going to be a better bet. Plus it is just plain fun on my SK to  collect 10-15 mobs in a circle around me and blow them up. But in many cases it is not faster.</p><p>Same is true for a lot of the T8 named mobs. In Sebilis and Chardok, I can take down the ^^^named mobs in about 10 seconds. Much slow with my SK. Although his gear isn't as good yet either. But it's still a 30-40 second fight. Plus I am more likely to have to deal with stuns, stifles, etc.</p>

[jjlo69]

<p>well there is one less ranger on mistmoore</p><p>uncle has betrayed as of</p><p>5/18/10</p><p>gl to all that hang around as rangers as i could not take it any more</p><p>uncle</p>

[glowsintheda]

<p>NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! Not you too, Uncle</p><p>/mourn</p>

[Neiloch]

I'll quit before I betray, because that would be the customer accommodating them instead of the way it should be, them accommodating the customer. Plus frankly betraying doesn't give them ANY incentive to fix things.

[Nevao]

<p><cite>Neiloch@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I'll quit before I betray, because that would be the customer accommodating them instead of the way it should be, them accommodating the customer. Plus frankly betraying doesn't give them ANY incentive to fix things.</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900;">Sadly I'm begining to think that they already are the point of no incentive to fix things. </span></p>

[Neiloch]

Guess that's true. No one playing rangers could be a big incentive to not 'waste' time fixing them. Everyone in the game could be playing SK's for all they care just as long as they are getting paid. Which is why subbing or not subbing (or the potential of losing subs) is really all you can do to enact change. But with their apparent drive to get new PvP subs opposed to keeping people here happy that kind of loses it power as well. Big flaw in that plan is people don't need a sub to spread bad word of mouth.

[Ranja]

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[loramil]

<p>I wanted to give the Assassin class a try, but i like soloing as a ranger too much to give it up.</p><p>So I started an Assassin from scratch. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>I'll give up my Ranger when SOE closes it's doors!!!</p>

[Tommara]

<p>Changed mains.</p><p>Played a paladin to 90, now working on troubador. Their group desirability is huge compared to ranger.</p><p>I haven't even bothered to re-assign my ranger's AA points after SF wiped them. </p><p>I should know better.  I've played a ranger type in every MMO I've ever played, which has been a lot.  I had high hopes for EQ2, since the lower level ranger is quite nice.</p><p>But in the high level game, rangers just aren't needed.</p>

[Mathrim]

<p>Well....</p><p>I officially changed my main to my Mystic last night.  I've been asked to play him for 90% of our raids since SF came out.  I got the Wurm bow out of Tox and a couple of nice weapon upgrades, but besides that, I've been passing on T1/T2 gear for our other scouts because I haven't had the heart to spend my stored DKP on my ranger.  </p><p>What was sucking even more was that my Mystic is on a separate account so I wasn't even getting Marks that could be used on my ranger.  </p><p>At this point, until Sony steps up and announces some fixes, my ranger is going to be a battleground/solo power leveling toon.  My wife has a 90 raiding assassin already that I have played some.  I really don't care for either the mechanics or the style of play so I will not betray.  I like the mechanics of my Ranger too much to do that.</p><p>I think what hurt this most was when the main change was announced, one of our guildies commmented by saying....</p><p>"Wait, that means we don't have any Ranger mains in our raid force.  Oh well, not like we really needed one anyways...."</p><p>Thanks Sony for trivializing Rangers for this portion of the game.</p>