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Blambil

03-25-2010, 01:55 PM

On the various conj boards, there always seems to be a "parse thread".. Most of the time, the parse threads come from some high end conj's, in a big raiding guild, on the best fights they can come up with, with troubs, brigs, illys, etc, all helping to push the parse up.. Heck, I think the best right on on flames shows 28k as a ZoneWide average... That can be a hard thing to duplicate unless you have the same exact set of group/mobs/etc.on the other hand, I'm fairly certain that same conj won't parse 28k when self buffed, solo, on a single target. And we all want to improve, do more DPS, fight for our spot on the raid, etc.. There's lots of opportunity to learn from both ends of the DPS scale. (Cast order is a prime example of something that higher end raiders know all about..) I get asked often by lower level conj's for advice on gear, spells, pets, AA's, etc..So I'm suggesting a "parse" thread with a specific set of guidelines.. that way any parses should be mostly apples-to-apples.Here's my suggested guidelines:1. Solo - no group, no group buffs, no outside help. nothing you can't do to/for yourself.2. In a guild hall. yours or someone elses is fine. (If you don't have access to a guild hall, try asking in channels for someone who gives public access to the training dummy in their GH. Good way to make a new friend or two.)3. Summon a training dummy. Set it on the ground.. start ACT... go nuts...4. show us the results.Please include data like your level, "potency/int/crit/crit bonus/AA spec/etc" and if you feel like it, status of masters (mostly expert, 100% master etc). I hope to both share information, and learn something, from this type of exchange. Images are fine (use something like imageshack/picasa/etc to share), text parses are fine, more data = better.I'll work something up tonight, and edit this post.. in the mean time.. thoughts? your data? etc?----------------------------So here's an effort tonight.. I'm not sure I could get much better. I'm sure this result will be dwarfed by others.. but it is what it is, while it is...L87 Conj - mostly expert T81-87 with a couple masters thrown in, 172 AA (mage pet spec), 1150 int, 11% potency, 78% crit, 10% crit bonus, mix of T3/T4/pvp/etc gear, (EB but no ET yet)Guild Hall - [1] 11:01:10 PM | training dummy - [00:34] 11:02:49 PM | Me | All Outgoing (Ref)<table cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr><th>Type</th><th>Damage</th><th>Ext DPS</th><th>Average</th><th>Min Hit</th><th>Max Hit</th><th>Resist</th><th>Hits</th><th>Crit %</th><th>Swings</th><th>To Hit %</th></tr><tr><td>All</td><td>250,081</td><td>7,355.32</td><td>1,420.92</td><td>32</td><td>7,723</td><td>All</td><td>176</td><td>65%</td><td>177</td><td>99.44</td></tr><tr><td>Elemental Blast</td><td>71,304</td><td>2,097.18</td><td>7,130.40</td><td>6,832</td><td>7,723</td><td>heat</td><td>10</td><td>100%</td><td>10</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Earthquake</td><td>20,107</td><td>591.38</td><td>4,021.40</td><td>3,607</td><td>5,147</td><td>magic</td><td>5</td><td>100%</td><td>5</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Blaze</td><td>17,687</td><td>520.21</td><td>2,210.88</td><td>1,510</td><td>2,867</td><td>heat</td><td>8</td><td>88%</td><td>8</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Igneous Flames</td><td>17,405</td><td>511.91</td><td>2,175.63</td><td>1,381</td><td>2,834</td><td>heat</td><td>8</td><td>88%</td><td>8</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Fiery Annihilation</td><td>15,621</td><td>459.44</td><td>867.83</td><td>313</td><td>3,089</td><td>heat</td><td>18</td><td>67%</td><td>18</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Force of the Elements</td><td>15,512</td><td>456.24</td><td>596.62</td><td>436</td><td>655</td><td>heat</td><td>26</td><td>85%</td><td>26</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Crystal Blast</td><td>14,028</td><td>412.59</td><td>2,805.60</td><td>2,194</td><td>3,020</td><td>magic</td><td>5</td><td>80%</td><td>5</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Fury of the Elements</td><td>12,936</td><td>380.47</td><td>4,312.00</td><td>3,031</td><td>5,978</td><td>heat</td><td>3</td><td>67%</td><td>3</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Searing Flames</td><td>8,881</td><td>261.21</td><td>986.78</td><td>576</td><td>1,618</td><td>heat</td><td>9</td><td>100%</td><td>9</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Sphere of Flames</td><td>7,510</td><td>220.88</td><td>3,755.00</td><td>3,590</td><td>3,920</td><td>heat</td><td>2</td><td>100%</td><td>2</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Shocking Flames</td><td>7,362</td><td>216.53</td><td>2,454.00</td><td>2,276</td><td>2,614</td><td>heat</td><td>3</td><td>100%</td><td>3</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Wave of Flames</td><td>6,944</td><td>204.24</td><td>694.40</td><td>553</td><td>899</td><td>heat</td><td>10</td><td>100%</td><td>10</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Greater Rune of Blasting</td><td>6,093</td><td>179.21</td><td>870.43</td><td>864</td><td>873</td><td>magic</td><td>7</td><td>0%</td><td>7</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Shattered Earth</td><td>4,811</td><td>141.50</td><td>801.83</td><td>721</td><td>958</td><td>magic</td><td>6</td><td>0%</td><td>6</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Winds of Velious</td><td>4,698</td><td>138.18</td><td>522.00</td><td>426</td><td>973</td><td>cold</td><td>9</td><td>0%</td><td>9</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Storm of Flames</td><td>3,533</td><td>103.91</td><td>706.60</td><td>441</td><td>1,333</td><td>heat</td><td>5</td><td>0%</td><td>5</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Inferno</td><td>3,217</td><td>94.62</td><td>357.44</td><td>180</td><td>810</td><td>heat</td><td>9</td><td>0%</td><td>9</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Petrify</td><td>2,604</td><td>76.59</td><td>2,604.00</td><td>2,604</td><td>2,604</td><td>magic</td><td>1</td><td>0%</td><td>1</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Greater Grave Elemental's Affliction</td><td>2,001</td><td>58.85</td><td>2,001.00</td><td>2,001</td><td>2,001</td><td>heat</td><td>1</td><td>0%</td><td>1</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Ice Storm</td><td>1,921</td><td>56.50</td><td>1,921.00</td><td>1,921</td><td>1,921</td><td>cold</td><td>1</td><td>0%</td><td>1</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Vampire Bats</td><td>1,889</td><td>55.56</td><td>944.50</td><td>512</td><td>1,377</td><td>piercing</td><td>2</td><td>100%</td><td>2</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Undead Bane</td><td>1,375</td><td>40.44</td><td>343.75</td><td>319</td><td>352</td><td>mental</td><td>4</td><td>0%</td><td>4</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Empower Servant</td><td>1,001</td><td>29.44</td><td>52.68</td><td>32</td><td>97</td><td>Power</td><td>19</td><td>100%</td><td>19</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Vampire Bane</td><td>942</td><td>27.71</td><td>471.00</td><td>471</td><td>471</td><td>divine</td><td>2</td><td>0%</td><td>2</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>pierce</td><td>524</td><td>15.41</td><td>262.00</td><td>248</td><td>276</td><td>piercing</td><td>2</td><td>0%</td><td>3</td><td>66.67</td></tr><tr><td>Self Preservation</td><td>175</td><td>5.15</td><td>175.00</td><td>175</td><td>175</td><td>Power</td><td>1</td><td>100%</td><td>1</td><td>100.00</td></tr><tr><td>Killing</td><td>0</td><td>0.00</td><td>NaN</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>Death</td><td>0</td><td>NaN</td><td>1</td><td>0.00</td></tr></tbody></table>

Lantis

03-25-2010, 02:38 PM

<cite>Blambil@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>3. Summon a training dummy. Set it on the ground.. start ACT... go nuts...4. show us the results.</blockquote>This would be pointless. I can take down a training dummy in 5 secs, hitting 35K and up. Any real test woul require a fight that is long enough to put everyone on equal footing, where a single nuke won't make all the difference depending on wether it crit and double attacked or not. Say, a whole zone, for instance.And even then... Your DPS is also a factor of the rest of your group/raid force. The faster your raid force kills something, the higher your own DPS will be, because that last "S" stands for "Seconds". Shorter fight = higher DPS.Quite honestly, the only valid basis when comparing DPS is... with yourself. Try to push it higher than what you used to do, and then you will know for sure that you are actually improving.

Blambil

03-25-2010, 04:31 PM

<cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>This would be pointless. I can take down a training dummy in 5 secs, hitting 35K and up.</blockquote>really? Then you would be someone I would LOVE to see this type of data from... please share...

Lantis

03-25-2010, 05:08 PM

Nothing special really (tho I am geared with T8 endgame raiding gear and some T9 raiding gear). This is something similar to this:Precast:- Blazing Avatar- Elemental Unity- Planeshift- Elemental ToxicityCast:- Fiery Annihilation (and send the pet in)- Crystal Blast- Wind of Velious- Elemental Blast (and hope it double attack and crit)- Crystal BlastBy then, the dummy is probably dead or near dead. If not, Fiery Annihilation is probably back up - cast it again, followed by the AA dagger (very short cast = procs on both Elemental Toxicity and another Elemental Unity proc, which hit very rapidly with a planeshifted pet). And the cast time of Fiery Ann + Dagger = enough time for Crystal Blast to be back up again, in case this fight is getting too long <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The short duration combined with Elemental Blast makes the end parse highly inflated - all your big buffs having been pre-cast. And since you know it will be a very short fight, you can precast a lot of things without fearing they might expire too early.As for AA setup, it is pretty close to what Xalmat recommends, with a few changes here and there based on my personal preferences.

Xalmat

03-25-2010, 06:09 PM

My pet can kill a training dummy by itself in about 30 seconds with no help from me.Getting meaningful data from the training dummy when it only has about a 30 second lifespan is a fruitless endeavor.

Lantis

03-25-2010, 08:21 PM

SOE should at least consider upgrading the dummies to match the new tier, since everyone does far more DPS now.

Bobthegob

03-25-2010, 09:56 PM

<cite>Blambil@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>This would be pointless. I can take down a training dummy in 5 secs, hitting 35K and up.</blockquote>really? Then you would be someone I would LOVE to see this type of data from... please shareIs this what you want ??????training dummy: (00:03) 288655 | 96218.34 [Bugsey-Elemental Blast-16124]Bugsey 288655 | 96218.34</blockquote>

Blambil

03-26-2010, 02:57 AM

<cite>Bobthegob wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>training dummy: (00:03) 288655 | 96218.34 [Bugsey-Elemental Blast-16124]Bugsey 288655 | 96218.34</blockquote></blockquote>Good grief... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> I'm guessing that was a crit/DA/EB and game over? I edited my original post above.. took me 00:34 to kill the dummy..So... what did it take for you to put out that kind of dmg? 100% potency? 100% crit + 20% bonus? 1400 INT?

Blambil

03-26-2010, 02:58 AM

<cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>SOE should at least consider upgrading the dummies to match the new tier, since everyone does far more DPS now.</blockquote>They should offer the choice, of both level and HP, like the Creature Summoner...Do you want:-- 90-- 95-- 100Do you want:-- 100k HP-- 500k HP-- 2M HP

Hirofortis

03-26-2010, 08:01 PM

<cite>Blambil@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>This would be pointless. I can take down a training dummy in 5 secs, hitting 35K and up.</blockquote>really? Then you would be someone I would LOVE to see this type of data from... please share...</blockquote>Training Dummies are a joke. They don't even have close to enough HP to test sustained DPS. Any conjy should be able to drop one of those in a matter of seconds. If not you need to look at your lineup. In a group with basically no buffs I ran 11k sustained dps at lvl 85. This was on the epic 2 down in the hole ring event. What I would really like to see is what we are hitting in an optimal group. From what I am seeing an optimal gorup would be SK, Wiz/Warl, Illy, Trouby, Conjy, Mystic/Inq. I would love to see some parses and ideas on maxing our dps.

Lantis

03-26-2010, 09:51 PM

<cite>Krunck@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Blambil@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lantis@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>This would be pointless. I can take down a training dummy in 5 secs, hitting 35K and up.</blockquote>really? Then you would be someone I would LOVE to see this type of data from... please share...</blockquote>Training Dummies are a joke. They don't even have close to enough HP to test sustained DPS. Any conjy should be able to drop one of those in a matter of seconds. If not you need to look at your lineup. In a group with basically no buffs I ran 11k sustained dps at lvl 85. This was on the epic 2 down in the hole ring event. What I would really like to see is what we are hitting in an optimal group. From what I am seeing an optimal gorup would be SK, Wiz/Warl, Illy, Trouby, Conjy, Mystic/Inq. I would love to see some parses and ideas on maxing our dps.</blockquote>At 90 with a good group setup, good raid gear and the most important AAs, a good conjuror can expect to hit 30K-ish on a raid.