No more Dev Tracker?

[Slowin]

<p>I see that the Dev tracker was replaced with SoE Post Tracker.  This kinda defeats the whole purpose of the feature because i don't care about all the technical support responses about 99% of the time or posts in languages other than english =P</p><p>Is this intended?  I just wanna be able to sort by developers darn it all like i could up until today!!!</p><p>I'll be very displeased if there is no workaround for this change /sigh.</p>

[Serpicos]

<p>Wow no kidding it is now worthless.</p>

[Ealthina]

<p>The reason there is no Dev tracker is becasue the Dev's have all but stopped communicating with the community.  Well, other then Kiara yelling at someone that is.</p><p>The Dev's are either A. intentionally hiding because of a serious flaw in the business plan and direction of this game or B. Working hard to fix the 12.2 trillion problems the game is currently facing.  Either way do not expect an more communication from Devs. They're ether busy or don't care.</p>

[TSR-DanielH]

<p><cite>Slowin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This kinda defeats the whole purpose of the feature because i don't care about all the technical support responses</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Neiloch]

<p>My main problem with it is seeing all the soe posts in other languages I can't even read.</p><p>If they wanted to make it harder to keep tabs on posts the devs do make, they have succeeded.</p>

[Dulissa]

<p>odd, the dev tracker seems to work fine on flames</p><p>just sayin</p>

[Slowin]

<p><cite>TSR-DanielH wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Slowin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This kinda defeats the whole purpose of the feature because i don't care about all the technical support responses</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>You left out the 99%!!!!!!  Its very helpful to see your responses when i'm having technical difficulties... but when i need that i could always sort it by posts from technical support!</p>

[agnott]

<p>The Dev tracker is zoning right now ...you should see it in about 25 minutes.</p>

[Alrunes]

<p>Bad decision. Give back the developer tracker.</p>

[agnott]

<p>So devs now want to hide, and hide posts about them hiding.</p><p>For those of us on the fence   ....this may be the just the gust of wind that makes us lose our balance.</p>

[Terrius]

I miss the old days when the only posts in the dev tracker were from devs and not from community people.. I'd love to have that back. Also bring back the dev traker this new SoE post tracker is useless. If I wanted to look at all the international posts I would have used the international tracker...

[Lantis]

<p>I also prefered the Dev Tracker the way it worked before.  I have nothing against the TSR people, but a lot of their posts are requests for more information from customers having issues, therefore they are of no interest to those who rely on the Dev Tracker to quickly track down new official info coming from actual devs.  Please at least consider separating TSR from the other SOE employes on the tracker.</p><p>A way to filter out foreign forums would also be nice.</p>

[Dreyco]

<p>Yikes.  This burries a lot of crucial information under ... lots of stuff that I don't usually read.  Why was this change made?</p>

[Lader]

<p>the new tracker is absolutely terrible. Please revert it back to the way it was before. I and many others in the U.S have no interest in reading the german, japanese, or french forums. This is why we have moderators for those languages, so they can translate information and provide their communities the information in the users' native languages.</p><p>It is now EXTREMELY difficult to find valuable information in this mess.</p>

[Raknid]

<p>Yeah....bad idea.</p><p>As a workaround...Just replace "SOEPostTracker" with "developer" after you click on the link.</p><p>Before...</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/search/search.m?clean=1&sortBy=time&sortDir=DESC&group=SOEPostTracker" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...=SOEPostTracker</a></p><p>After...</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/search/search.m?clean=1&sortBy=time&sortDir=DESC&group=developer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...group=developer</a></p><p>If they really don't want people to be able to track developer posts look for them to change the workaround above so it won't work. If they do that, then we know the real reason behind the change.</p>

[Aurel]

<p>Awwww...  And here I was happily hoping DanielH got a cool promotion!  And you all make him sadface!  For SHAME!!</p>

[Iamken]

<p>Could we have the Dev Tracker back, please? It's hard to find interest in all the foreign language threads when I can't read the language. Thank you.</p>

[Ikke]

<p><cite>TSR-DanielH wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Slowin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This kinda defeats the whole purpose of the feature because i don't care about all the technical support responses</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Glad to see you on a tracker but....</p><p>I would like to see different trackers for different types of SOE personnel.</p><p>DEV-tracker,</p><p>Tech-tracker,</p><p>International tracker ,</p><p><strong>Correct working tracker (where the second page still shows correct results)</strong></p><p>etc.</p><p>oh yeah, if they could also give Kiara her own tracker and remove her from the DEV tracker it would make me quite happy.</p>

[KerowynnKaotic]

<p><cite>Tariuss@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I miss the old days when the only posts in the dev tracker were from devs and not from community people.. I'd love to have that back. Also bring back the dev traker this new SoE post tracker is useless. If I wanted to look at all the international posts I would have used the international tracker...</blockquote><p>I miss the seperate trackers .. Dev / Mods / International  / Technical.  </p><p>One stop tracking sucks! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></p><p>The International & most of the Technical stuff is all jibberish to me so I like to skip that whenever possible.  The only things I really like to keep up on are what the Devs & the rare apparance of our esteemed Producer(s) are saying, the rest is usually all filler and can easily be found by searching for a specific mod & viewing their recent history.</p><p>Though, I do also miss being able keep a friends list, from in the forums so I could easily click a friend and pull up their recent history that way .. that was nice.  Also slightly stalker-ish but very convenient.  That was only in the 'old-old' forums, though. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Talazar]

<p>On a positive note it looks like I can go to page 2 and things continue to get sorted in reverse date order.  That is HUGE.  I was sick of going to page 2 and seeing stuff from 2005 =)</p>

[Maroger]

<p>Please bring back the original Dev. tracker - what you have no is JUNK pure and simple.</p>

[illaria]

<p><cite>TSR-DanielH wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Slowin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This kinda defeats the whole purpose of the feature because i don't care about all the technical support responses</p></blockquote><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>We Love you TSR Daniel H but I also want the old dev tracker back.</p>

[Kiara]

<p>This issue should be rectified very soon!</p>

[Cerec]

<p>That's good news!   Yea...we definately need the dev tracker.   Sometimes I come to view a forum and see all of the posts; however, sometimes you just want to come and see what's going on from the folks that actually make the decisions.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>All of you guys on the first page posting your conspiracy theories about SoE trying to hide their posts, and the guy saying this might be the gust of wind that makes him quit are morons. That is all.</p>

[Reapicheap]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This issue should be rectified very soon!</p></blockquote><p>And someone said you only post to yell at people.</p><p>Pshaw.</p><p>Kiara <3's the community.  (She'd have to.  With all the abuse she gets there'd have to be some reason she keeps talking to us...)</p>

[agnott]

<p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>All of you guys on the first page posting your conspiracy theories about SoE trying to hide their posts, and the guy saying this might be the gust of wind that makes him quit are morons. That is all.</p></blockquote><p>Things have been not working well .... the removal of the dev tracker would have been a horrible PR move at a very bad time. I only stated what consequences it <strong>may</strong> have had on me and possibly others.</p><p>But I appreciate your well thought out comments about it.</p>

[Reapicheap]

<p><cite>agnott wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>All of you guys on the first page posting your conspiracy theories about SoE trying to hide their posts, and the guy saying this might be the gust of wind that makes him quit are morons. That is all.</p></blockquote><p>Things have been not working well .... the removal of the dev tracker would have been a horrible PR move at a very bad time. I only stated what consequences it <strong>may</strong> have had on me and possibly others.</p><p>But I appreciate your well thought out comments about it.</p></blockquote><p>Now now.  With the BS Blizzard is pulling, it's only logical that some people will be refuges from WoW, where common courtesy and manners (not to mention spelling and grammar) have gone out the window and everyone just accepted it.  Don't sink to their level and maybe we can salvage them as human beings and make them part of a better community.</p><p>Rahatmattata, comments like "That is all.", "/thread" and "...FACT!" do not promote continued conversation and are frowned upon.  Please try not to act like your opinion is the only one that matters.  Everyone's opinion is viable, including yours.  Thank you.</p>

[Riny]

<p><cite>Reckless@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>On a positive note it looks like I can go to page 2 and things continue to get sorted in reverse date order.  That is HUGE.  I was sick of going to page 2 and seeing stuff from 2005 =)</p></blockquote><p>That problem has irked me for years. But I did notice that it started working correctly late last week. Hopefully the changes Kiara alluded to will result in us being able to drill down to Dev responses again.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Reapicheap@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>agnott wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>All of you guys on the first page posting your conspiracy theories about SoE trying to hide their posts, and the guy saying this might be the gust of wind that makes him quit are morons. That is all.</p></blockquote><p>Things have been not working well .... the removal of the dev tracker would have been a horrible PR move at a very bad time. I only stated what consequences it <strong>may</strong> have had on me and possibly others.</p><p>But I appreciate your well thought out comments about it.</p></blockquote><p>Now now.  With the BS Blizzard is pulling, it's only logical that some people will be refuges from WoW, where common courtesy and manners (not to mention spelling and grammar) have gone out the window and everyone just accepted it.  Don't sink to their level and maybe we can salvage them as human beings and make them part of a better community.</p><p>Rahatmattata, comments like "That is all.", "/thread" and "...FACT!" do not promote continued conversation and are frowned upon.  Please try not to act like your opinion is the only one that matters.  Everyone's opinion is viable, including yours.  Thank you.</p></blockquote><p>I am sorry but the people claiming it is a conspericy by the Devs so they can hide are just not that bright, cause they can a) it is easy to find specific dev posts by tracking thier name, and b) it is far easier to hide if they just don't post at all, and those that regularly post are still posting.</p><p>Now those saying it kinda is bad PR and gives a bad appearance, do have a point, which is why Kiara has already said they are going to "fix" it soon(tm).</p><p>However, saying it would be the final nudge to push someone into quitting, now that is going way to far. If something as insignificant merging the dev trackers(when there are other ways to track specific devs) pushes you into quitting then you where going to quit anyway, but for some reason needed one more reason.</p><p>I say insignificant, because there are many far better reasons going on right now to quit, as seen in the occational "I quit" threads.</p>

[Yimway]

<p>To be honest the dev tracker had too much noise with all the moderation showing up in it.</p><p>I just click on a red name I want to know what they post about, then I bookmark that page.  From it I can click to see new topics by that dev and another link for just posts made by the dev.</p><p>Since dev work is fairly clearly organized, its not hard to figure out the 3-4 devs you want to track and manage it this way, and its certainly much faster than parsing thru the moderation chatter on the official dev tracker.</p><p>Also, the old dev tracker frequently broke for me anytime I clicked to the 2nd page.</p>

[olde english D]

<p>Do u guys look for ways to suck or what? lol cause yea several recent changes in and out of game bares that out for sure.</p><p>EQ2players? BG?...CSR?...</p>

[Mystfit]

<p><cite>Aurelis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Awwww...  And here I was happily hoping DanielH got a cool promotion!  And you all make him sadface!  For SHAME!!</p></blockquote><p>Fer real. When I saw the SOE tracker and saw DanielH"s name on several posts, I was like this is cool, now everyone can see how hard he's working!</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p><cite>Reapicheap@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Rahatmattata, comments like "That is all.", "/thread" and "...FACT!" do not promote continued conversation and are frowned upon.  Please try not to act like your opinion is the only one that matters.  Everyone's opinion is viable, including yours.  Thank you.</p></blockquote><p>Doesn't seem like the conversation stopped to me. Turn your frown upside down. I didn't act like only my opinion matters, I just gave my opinion and nothing more.</p><p>That is all.</p>

[Maroger]

<p>can you possibly fix the thing so we don't have to see languages we can't read????</p><p>Can you go back to the old dev tracker -- this is no improvement.</p><p>Make a separate tracker for garbage from Kiara and the other staff type junk -- mixing them in with developers makes it hard to find really worthwhile post -- or was that your intention???</p>

[Eveningsong]

<p>Its already been posted in several places (including this thread!) that they are going to fix it. </p>

[Aurel]

<p><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Make a separate tracker for garbage from Kiara and the other staff type junk -- mixing them in with developers makes it hard to find really worthwhile post -- or was that your intention???</p></blockquote><p>What is with you people and the rudeness factor?  The efforts of Kiara and DanielH on these forums for moderating and support, respectively, are not "garbage."  There is this thing called a positive attitude and having one is a good idea and I, for one, don't appreciate the negative tone directed at people you feel are "unimportant."  I'd like to see the quality of these forums without a moderator who tries to not be too strict with us when we behave at least half-decent and the state of mind people would be in without a tech support representative who works very dilligently to deliver quick help.  d:</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>People don't realize how lucky they are to have the game developer communicate with them at all on discussion forums. Many EQ2 players really take that for granted. I played FFXI for a few years and the only communication I ever had with an employee of Square Enix was only once: when a GM zoned my character into a boxy room about the size of a jail cell for doing something I wasn't supposed to do.</p>

[Nooblet]

<p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>People don't realize how lucky they are to have the game developer communicate with them at all on discussion forums. Many EQ2 players really take that for granted. I played FFXI for a few years and the only communication I ever had with an employee of Square Enix was only once: when a GM zoned my character into a boxy room about the size of a jail cell for doing something I wasn't supposed to do.</p></blockquote><p>Sounds like effective communication to me. </p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>That doesn't really have any bearing on my point. <span>People don't realize how lucky they are to have the game developer communicate with them at all on discussion forums.</span></p><p>That's something players should be thankful for, cuz many games you play the game and if you don't like it you can QQ all day on some forums, but noone of importance is going to respond except maybe a mod to tell you to stop QQing.</p>

[Hellswrath]

<p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That doesn't really have any bearing on my point. <span>People don't realize how lucky they are to have the game developer communicate with them at all on discussion forums.</span></p></blockquote><p>FFXI is one of the worst examples of dev communication ever and is a poor choice to compare any MMO to.</p><p>Regardless, dev tracker is back up. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Bratface]

<p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That doesn't really have any bearing on my point. <span>People don't realize how lucky they are to have the game developer communicate with them at all on discussion forums.</span></p><p>That's something players should be thankful for, cuz many games you play the game and if you don't like it you can QQ all day on some forums, but noone of importance is going to respond except maybe a mod to tell you to stop QQing.</p></blockquote><p>I disagree, they should be grateful that we care enough to want to communicate with them.</p>

[agnott]

<p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That doesn't really have any bearing on my point. <span>People don't realize how lucky they are to have the game developer communicate with them at all on discussion forums.</span></p><p>That's something players should be thankful for, cuz many games you play the game and if you don't like it you can QQ all day on some forums, but noone of importance is going to respond except maybe a mod to tell you to stop QQing.</p></blockquote><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-family: ">Why not be a fan of good communication regardless of where it comes from. Insulting people for their opinion is the lowest form of communication, and can give the impression that you lack the intellect to intelligently debate an opposite opinion</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><span style="font-family: Calibri;"> </span></span></p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>I disagree.</p>

[Nooblet]

<p><cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I disagree.</p></blockquote><p>I agree. </p><p>To those who understand no explanation is necessary, to those who don't, none is possible.</p><p>That is all.</p>

[Vraeth]

<p>wtb official announcements by kiara in the devtracker</p><p>or</p><p>filter languages in the community relations tracker</p>

[Te'ana]

<p><cite>Aurelis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Make a separate tracker for garbage from Kiara and the other staff type junk -- mixing them in with developers makes it hard to find really worthwhile post -- or was that your intention???</p></blockquote><p>What is with you people and the rudeness factor?  The efforts of Kiara and DanielH on these forums for moderating and support, respectively, are not "garbage."  There is this thing called a positive attitude and having one is a good idea and I, for one, don't appreciate the negative tone directed at people you feel are "unimportant."  I'd like to see the quality of these forums without a moderator who tries to not be too strict with us when we behave at least half-decent and the state of mind people would be in without a tech support representative who works very dilligently to deliver quick help.  d:</p></blockquote><p>Rudeness has reached epic proportions on this forum. I am not sure why, it could be the current economic situation is taking its toll on a lot of folks, but that is not an excuse, only an explanation. We also have a large influx of new folks from other games and the PvP servers that are used to a ruder environment, but again that is not an excuse for rudeness. Perhaps it is just a virus of the keyboard that is affecting so many people these days. Who really knows what the reasons are, but the level of rudeness has been increasing of late. The anger being expressed by some posters is so bad that even when some poor individual posts about some new featue they would like to see in game they are stomped on so thoroughly they will likely never post again. Some folks are so rude that they just make up stuff to attack people. It is a really wierd situation and rather sad.</p><p>The poster you quoted gives no indication on his profile about which server he is on (I could have missed it though), but it does say he is retired, an opera fan, and plays lots of games other than EQII. Perhaps he justs likes drama or didn't realize we are used to a higher standard of discourse on this forum. Only he knows for sure.</p><p>I really do miss the old days when we only had a few well known trolls to avoid instead of the plethera of rude people we seem to have these days. Perhaps it is time to start a post rating system that can result in a forum moderator investigating folks and possibly removing their posting ability, but then again that too would undoubtably be abused by the trolls blasting away on some poor person who happened to hit thier hot button that day. So that idea wouldn't really work. Let's just hope that by calling out thier bad behavior for what it is we can return this forum to a friendlier place. Being silent just encourages them to up the drama level with even ruder behavior as well as giving the impression that such behavior is tolerated. But then again it might just encourage them. I just wish the gross rudeness that is infecting Real Life and virtual life would go away, but I fear it won't.</p>