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Moltove

03-22-2010, 01:15 PM

oh hai,Item from the past that have lore then and now: The player rebuilt or found an item in EQ1, but can easily be ignored for EQ2's standard for lore. In EoF, of course, the Lucanic Knight and Lucan himself snatched back Soulfire, and this is one of the few times where you're not given the actual reward, and rather...a replica. I'm sure there's other examples, of course, but trying to make a point here. Anyways, EQ2's lore starts up 500 years ago starting on the conclusion of PoP, to the release of EQ2. SOE released this bit of lore for Soulfire:"The origins of this magical blade are the stuff of legend. It has been claimed by both paladins and shadow knights at various times in history and has felled opponents both treacherous and noble. Some claim that the souls of those slain by this weapon are trapped within the sword itself. It is said that if you look closely at the glinting metal under the bright sun, you can see subtle visages of faces shrieking in torment. This sword was originally found by dark elves in the Underfoot, and it remained in the Teir'Dal Empire for centuries before it was stolen by a band of adventurers.Taken from Neriak's vaults, it passed through many hands and eventually found its way to the great trade city of Freeport. Disassembled by some unknown entity, its pieces were scattered around Norrath. As its legend grew and adventurers attempted to find the sword, fragments were gradually discovered.Eventually one courageous paladin collected all the lost pieces, and the sword magically reassembled of its own will. The valorous Order of Marr knew its power and quickly hid it far from the empires of man in a secluded fortress called Marr. But it was again stolen and disappeared for years, eventually ending up in the hands of the Avatar of War as he led the Rallosian Empire in a massive assault on Freeport. At the <a title="The Battle of Defiance" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Interstitial&u=%2Fwiki%2FThe_Battle_of_Defiance">Battle of Defiance</a> the Avatar was slain, and Soulfire was snatched from his dead clutches by the evil ruler of Freeport - the fallen paladin known as Lucan D'Lere. To this day the Overlord wields its fiery blade to inspire fear in the hearts of his subjects"So...when did my awesome Pally and everyone else's in EQ1 reassemble Soulfire? Looking back at text of the actual quest in EQ1, you keep the sword, and there's no fuss. So is the first highlighted spot a nod to players? Or is the second? How was Soulfire taken from the grip of my Paladin?"SoulFire Return to Brother Hayle (or, if you took my advice in Stage 5 and collected all the pieces first, just smile.) Con him again just to be sure; he should con at least "warmly", and preferably "ally." Hand him all four items at once: the note he returned to you, the hilt of SoulFire, your Testimony, and the Brilliant Sword of Faith. Brother Hayle says 'I will not hand Soulfire to you until you hand me the Soulfire hilt, Testimony of Truth, Sword of Faith and the returned note. I require them as [proof of nobility].' Brother Hayle says 'I will not hand Soulfire to you until you hand me the Soulfire hilt, Testimony of Truth, Sword of Faith and the returned note. I require them as [proof of nobility].' Brother Hayle says 'I will not hand Soulfire to you until you hand me the Soulfire hilt, Testimony of Truth, Sword of Faith and the returned note. I require them as [proof of nobility].' Brother Hayle says 'You have proven yourself worthy to hold Soulfire. Do not let her slip into the hands of evil. There are many who wish to free the many trapped souls of shadowknights and necromancers trapped inside the blade. The power of the blade can be called upon to heal you if need be. May Rodcet Nife and the twins of Marr hold you in their glory.' You receive SoulFire."So my general question is...but were players completely ignored when coming up with lore in EQ2 like this?Specifically Soulfire question is...Where is the player claim of Soulfire in reference to EQ2's eyes?Protip: Being a RPer; When recieving a HQ item, you gotta consider that that item that you have now is -supposed- to be the only item like it, as in quest and lore wise, no other player could have found it, unless if the quest giver was just re-making the item (I think Rain Caller is recreated). This was the same for Soulfire in the past, and I recognize this, but I figure that EQ2 Lore can just consolidate all those Paladins into "that Paladin" from EQ1. Unfortunately, no single player can claim a relic. So, generalize it.Also...for EQ: Next....will our specific accomplishments be recognized as a whole, in that lore?Best thing I can think for my Paladin: someone randomly took it from the bank-- it was an awesome weapon at its prime, but as more weapons came out, it only got shoved in the last box in my bank. Granted there's time for a paladin to die, but you'd think that there would be a family to keep the sword and such.

Cusashorn

03-22-2010, 05:44 PM

<cite>Moltove@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So...when did my awesome Pally and everyone else's in EQ1 reassemble Soulfire? Looking back at text of the actual quest in EQ1, you keep the sword, and there's no fuss. So is the first highlighted spot a nod to players? Or is the second? How was Soulfire taken from the grip of my Paladin?So my general question is...but were players completely ignored when coming up with lore in EQ2 like this?Specifically Soulfire question is...Where is the player claim of Soulfire in reference to EQ2's eyes?Protip: Being a RPer; When recieving a HQ item, you gotta consider that that item that you have now is -supposed- to be the only item like it, as in quest and lore wise, no other player could have found it, unless if the quest giver was just re-making the item (I think Rain Caller is recreated). This was the same for Soulfire in the past, and I recognize this, but I figure that EQ2 Lore can just consolidate all those Paladins into "that Paladin" from EQ1. Unfortunately, no single player can claim a relic. So, generalize it.Also...for EQ: Next....will our specific accomplishments be recognized as a whole, in that lore?Best thing I can think for my Paladin: someone randomly took it from the bank-- it was an awesome weapon at its prime, but as more weapons came out, it only got shoved in the last box in my bank. Granted there's time for a paladin to die, but you'd think that there would be a family to keep the sword and such.</blockquote>The way I figure, the answer is simple: Your paladin never obtained the Soulfire. It was always *SOME OTHER* Paladin who got the credit for anything and everything, just as the same applies to every other class in their own respective ways.The easiest way to acknowledge the hundreds of players who obtained the ONE Soulfire in EQlive is to say that none of them ever obtained it. Rarely in Everquest history has any one player actually recieved the credit for accomplishing anything in the lore. The lore will always recognize when a group of adventurers accomplishes something, since "Group of Adventurers" is just vague enough to work, with no names given. The story always changed on each server since it was a new character on each one there too. Due to the very nature of the games, the only way anyone can say they've actually done anything is to accept the fact that they won't be recognized by it.

Thrads

03-23-2010, 01:24 AM

My take is that your character is the only character that truly effects the history of Norrath. Signiture quests only happen once, per lore. We don't know the full story of what happened between EQLive and EQ2, so even if my pally from EQ1 reassembled Soulfire, and I RP him that he lived through the Rending and Shattering, when I logged in at level 1 I didn't have Soulfire anymore. As such my pally must have lost it along the way, if he managed to make it from EQ1 to EQ2.

Rezikai

03-23-2010, 02:50 AM

Hmmm if I remember correctly, the last time anyone had Soulfire in EQ1's time was when "A" paladin (aka the player) gives it to an Erudite Paladin in the Plane of Sky to create the epic 2.0.. which its name escapes me at this moment.So how did the Avatar of War get it from that erudite.

Meirril

03-24-2010, 07:06 AM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm if I remember correctly, the last time anyone had Soulfire in EQ1's time was when "A" paladin (aka the player) gives it to an Erudite Paladin in the Plane of Sky to create the epic 2.0.. which its name escapes me at this moment.So how did the Avatar of War get it from that erudite.</blockquote>That is the first paladin epic weapon. Result is the Fiery Avenger.Still, any player can get the Soulfire quest done, but as the Lore of EQ2 goes the sword goes on to be given to the paladin in the plane of sky to obtain the Fiery Avenger. From there it finds its way eventually to Lucan D'leer.

Amphibia

04-24-2010, 08:18 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Moltove@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So...when did my awesome Pally and everyone else's in EQ1 reassemble Soulfire? Looking back at text of the actual quest in EQ1, you keep the sword, and there's no fuss. So is the first highlighted spot a nod to players? Or is the second? How was Soulfire taken from the grip of my Paladin?So my general question is...but were players completely ignored when coming up with lore in EQ2 like this?Specifically Soulfire question is...Where is the player claim of Soulfire in reference to EQ2's eyes?Protip: Being a RPer; When recieving a HQ item, you gotta consider that that item that you have now is -supposed- to be the only item like it, as in quest and lore wise, no other player could have found it, unless if the quest giver was just re-making the item (I think Rain Caller is recreated). This was the same for Soulfire in the past, and I recognize this, but I figure that EQ2 Lore can just consolidate all those Paladins into "that Paladin" from EQ1. Unfortunately, no single player can claim a relic. So, generalize it.Also...for EQ: Next....will our specific accomplishments be recognized as a whole, in that lore?Best thing I can think for my Paladin: someone randomly took it from the bank-- it was an awesome weapon at its prime, but as more weapons came out, it only got shoved in the last box in my bank. Granted there's time for a paladin to die, but you'd think that there would be a family to keep the sword and such.</blockquote>The way I figure, the answer is simple: Your paladin never obtained the Soulfire. It was always *SOME OTHER* Paladin who got the credit for anything and everything, just as the same applies to every other class in their own respective ways.The easiest way to acknowledge the hundreds of players who obtained the ONE Soulfire in EQlive is to say that none of them ever obtained it. Rarely in Everquest history has any one player actually recieved the credit for accomplishing anything in the lore. The lore will always recognize when a group of adventurers accomplishes something, since "Group of Adventurers" is just vague enough to work, with no names given. The story always changed on each server since it was a new character on each one there too. Due to the very nature of the games, the only way anyone can say they've actually done anything is to accept the fact that they won't be recognized by it.</blockquote>As another roleplayer, I prefer Cusashorn's approach. Roleplay and game mechanics do not normally mix too well, in my experience, and attempting to do so will often result in a headache.But of course, each to their own....

Meirril

04-26-2010, 02:55 AM

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Moltove@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So...when did my awesome Pally and everyone else's in EQ1 reassemble Soulfire? Looking back at text of the actual quest in EQ1, you keep the sword, and there's no fuss. So is the first highlighted spot a nod to players? Or is the second? How was Soulfire taken from the grip of my Paladin?So my general question is...but were players completely ignored when coming up with lore in EQ2 like this?Specifically Soulfire question is...Where is the player claim of Soulfire in reference to EQ2's eyes?Protip: Being a RPer; When recieving a HQ item, you gotta consider that that item that you have now is -supposed- to be the only item like it, as in quest and lore wise, no other player could have found it, unless if the quest giver was just re-making the item (I think Rain Caller is recreated). This was the same for Soulfire in the past, and I recognize this, but I figure that EQ2 Lore can just consolidate all those Paladins into "that Paladin" from EQ1. Unfortunately, no single player can claim a relic. So, generalize it.Also...for EQ: Next....will our specific accomplishments be recognized as a whole, in that lore?Best thing I can think for my Paladin: someone randomly took it from the bank-- it was an awesome weapon at its prime, but as more weapons came out, it only got shoved in the last box in my bank. Granted there's time for a paladin to die, but you'd think that there would be a family to keep the sword and such.</blockquote>The way I figure, the answer is simple: Your paladin never obtained the Soulfire. It was always *SOME OTHER* Paladin who got the credit for anything and everything, just as the same applies to every other class in their own respective ways.The easiest way to acknowledge the hundreds of players who obtained the ONE Soulfire in EQlive is to say that none of them ever obtained it. Rarely in Everquest history has any one player actually recieved the credit for accomplishing anything in the lore. The lore will always recognize when a group of adventurers accomplishes something, since "Group of Adventurers" is just vague enough to work, with no names given. The story always changed on each server since it was a new character on each one there too. Due to the very nature of the games, the only way anyone can say they've actually done anything is to accept the fact that they won't be recognized by it.</blockquote>As another roleplayer, I prefer Cusashorn's approach. Roleplay and game mechanics do not normally mix too well, in my experience, and attempting to do so will often result in a headache.But of course, each to their own....</blockquote>The way the story lines seem to work is that each player that does the quest is acknowledged to be the first to do it. So, lets just say you got your mythical weapon. Congratulations, your the ONLY one to have done this as far as the story of EQ2 goes. Even though you helped your friend get the exact same weapon as you have now, as far as the game is concerned you and you alone have it. Even if you arn't the raid leader, the game assumes you gathered together and lead the raid for the quest that needs this. YOU ARE THE HERO.Now how we treat each other is different. But the game always assumes you are the most important person in the world.

Cusashorn

04-26-2010, 12:52 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Moltove@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>So...when did my awesome Pally and everyone else's in EQ1 reassemble Soulfire? Looking back at text of the actual quest in EQ1, you keep the sword, and there's no fuss. So is the first highlighted spot a nod to players? Or is the second? How was Soulfire taken from the grip of my Paladin?So my general question is...but were players completely ignored when coming up with lore in EQ2 like this?Specifically Soulfire question is...Where is the player claim of Soulfire in reference to EQ2's eyes?Protip: Being a RPer; When recieving a HQ item, you gotta consider that that item that you have now is -supposed- to be the only item like it, as in quest and lore wise, no other player could have found it, unless if the quest giver was just re-making the item (I think Rain Caller is recreated). This was the same for Soulfire in the past, and I recognize this, but I figure that EQ2 Lore can just consolidate all those Paladins into "that Paladin" from EQ1. Unfortunately, no single player can claim a relic. So, generalize it.Also...for EQ: Next....will our specific accomplishments be recognized as a whole, in that lore?Best thing I can think for my Paladin: someone randomly took it from the bank-- it was an awesome weapon at its prime, but as more weapons came out, it only got shoved in the last box in my bank. Granted there's time for a paladin to die, but you'd think that there would be a family to keep the sword and such.</blockquote>The way I figure, the answer is simple: Your paladin never obtained the Soulfire. It was always *SOME OTHER* Paladin who got the credit for anything and everything, just as the same applies to every other class in their own respective ways.The easiest way to acknowledge the hundreds of players who obtained the ONE Soulfire in EQlive is to say that none of them ever obtained it. Rarely in Everquest history has any one player actually recieved the credit for accomplishing anything in the lore. The lore will always recognize when a group of adventurers accomplishes something, since "Group of Adventurers" is just vague enough to work, with no names given. The story always changed on each server since it was a new character on each one there too. Due to the very nature of the games, the only way anyone can say they've actually done anything is to accept the fact that they won't be recognized by it.</blockquote>As another roleplayer, I prefer Cusashorn's approach. Roleplay and game mechanics do not normally mix too well, in my experience, and attempting to do so will often result in a headache.But of course, each to their own....</blockquote>The way the story lines seem to work is that each player that does the quest is acknowledged to be the first to do it. So, lets just say you got your mythical weapon. Congratulations, your the ONLY one to have done this as far as the story of EQ2 goes. Even though you helped your friend get the exact same weapon as you have now, as far as the game is concerned you and you alone have it. Even if you arn't the raid leader, the game assumes you gathered together and lead the raid for the quest that needs this. YOU ARE THE HERO.Now how we treat each other is different. But the game always assumes you are the most important person in the world.</blockquote>Yeah, but when history looks back on you aquiring the mythical, it is always someone else who actually aquired it.

Aneova

04-27-2010, 10:02 AM

I'd like to just sort of point out a little tidbit... You the player didn't get to keep Soulfire.... or the Qeynos Claymore.... Those that participated over the live events over the past winter should recall that Soulfire was held by Lucan and the Claymore by the Order of Marr. The quest rewards recieved were very high powered Replica's of said weapons supposedly.

BleemTeam

04-27-2010, 04:19 PM

I still always thought during Fate of Norrath questline that Mayong had the soulfire

Rezikai

04-27-2010, 04:28 PM

<cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I still always thought during Fate of Norrath questline that Mayong had the soulfire</blockquote>Naw he had it for a little while in EoF, "Operation Overlord" quest. But when he had it in his castle Mayong broke it up into pieces, and if i remember correctly Xlotl(sp) from eq1 shows up during the questline to. Though I dont remember the details at this moment as it was 2-3 years ago. Mayong had the blade, hilt and crossguard put in different places in the castle. I'm thinking he wanted to keep it as a treasure or to study it.What is interesting is that he broke it up into pieces, not keeping it together as a sword, one would have to ask ... why? Why do that more then likely something he knew or found out about that he didnt want to let out of his grasp maybe? So many questions...