Receiving zone info, server down, broken brokers, and time spent NOT playing

[Elathuzia]

<p>Well, I'm sitting here waiting for a character to zone.  It's been at least 10 full minutes now.  A few days ago at least it was somewhat intermittent, but lately it's getting worse and worse.  Once or twice I got SO frustrated waiting to zone that I exited in frustration, figuring maybe it'd be quicker to exit the game and get back in.  Boy, was THAT a mistake!  When I tried getting back into the game, it kept acting like the server was down and only showing me some of my characters in the character-selection screen, etc. (I knew for a fact that the server was up, since someone was sitting not 10 feet from me playing.)  Finally mamaged to get back into the game after beating my head against it long enough, but then it's just back to the infinitely long (and getting longer!) zoning times.  Of course, then we made the mistake of trying to use the brokers. LOL.  Don't do that.</p><p>I mean, come on, I know you (SOE) are undoubtedly busy working to fix these problems, but you better come up with *something* soon, or people are going to start looking for other things to do.  And not all may come back to EQ2 when the day is done.  Personally, we'll be here for a while unless it gets just totally unbearable, but when I'm spending more time actively NOT playing (waiting on the game) than I'm actually spending PLAYING, it does tend to make one wonder if time would be better spent elsewhere.......</p><p>- Elathuzia <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Wundera]

<p>For the third or fourth? week running our entire guild CANNOT zone, is going linkdead, is seeing server down messages.</p><p>Seriously we pay for this s*it - it's absolutely ridiculous.</p><p>SORT IT OUT FFS</p>

[Blacktop]

<p>i totally agree, at least let us something. i dont know, use the server massage</p>

[Cjay]

<p>Having same problems log straight into a char and it wont log in, kicks me tho char select says "Runnyeye (DOWN)" for about 5 seconds and only 4 of my 6 chars are displayed, then i click to log in and say to re-run patcher and try again. It happened last week and the week before.</p><p> ALSO there are no server channels (1-9 ect.)</p>

[Myrrik]

<p>Having similar issues myself.</p><p>Log in to find most of my characters missing and the status says "Server Down"Log out and back in. Still got characters missing but now Server is up. Access character - Message says it couldn't find my character and tells me to rerun the patcher...</p><p>Repeat above steps several times.</p><p>Finally get in. Decide while i'm in my house that I will sell the Armour i made. Put one of the 15 items I have made on the broker - wait for 12 minutes till it appears - meanwhile I am not allowed to zone, interact or basically do anything at all.</p><p>Item finally appears - try another one - same as above. Decide "Nah - no more selling for me" leave home. Wait for 10 mins while "Receiving Zone Info" -  finally zone into SQ. Remember that its Moonlight enchantment night - Zone to Antonica - 15 minutes "Receiving Zone Info"... kicked to Character select - go back to first step as characters missing and Server is noted as "Down"</p><p>Log off and decide to do something else with my time.</p><p>The worst of it is - I just recently convinced my Partner to try the game out, told her how wonderfull it was and how smooth it was. Yeah - shes <em>really</em> impressed.</p><p>My 6 month subscription runs out very soon - I am seriously considering if i should not bother and wait till things get better. Maybe I will resubscribe when they get the new database later this year...</p>

[Levatino]

<p>if we all agree BG is the problem then why do we use it?</p><p>instead of us asking they put BF down we could also simply say we don't use it untill this zoning problem is solved..</p><p>win win, they don't have to put it down (they won't anyway) and we will have proper zoning times..</p>

[Paleskinn]

<p>This thread being deleted/blocked/removed/omg-they-calling-us-out in 3...2...1...</p>

[alin]

<p>Its ridicolous takes 15 minutes zoning on every zone..And after 36 minutes receiving zone info game kicked me out now servers cant find my char..And i cant login..It happens for weeks...Are you kidding me?Dont you read the  forums?Dont you see the petitions people sending to you thousands of about that?</p><p>I am very angry i cant find words to say..If i say my feelings i know i will ban.....</p>

[Gladiolus]

<p>Spending half my playing zoning is not fun. It doesn't help either that the devs are all busy with the battlegrounds instead of the game. Please fix it!</p>

[Xanendith]

<p>"Reciving zone info"</p><p>This message just sucks all the fun out of raiding.</p>

[fatherjules]

<p>receiving zone info.... i want my money back!</p>

[Transen]

<p>Recieving Zone Info...one bit at a time. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Mithi]

<p>Runnyeye server here.</p><p>Was receiving recieving zone info, waited for 15 mins, then restarted the game.</p><p>That was now almost 2 hours ago, still trying to get back into game.</p><p>Come on SOE, this is redicolous and basicly kids play, get your act together, cause this little woman is getting [Removed for Content]</p>

[Xanendith]

<p>Zoning on Runnyeye is just a joke,</p><p>takes 20+ min every time.</p><p>I wish SOE would add a game within game</p><p>so we could play tetris or pacman while waiting.</p>

[Paleskinn]

Don't give them ideas, m8.

[Disturber]

<p>Hit disconnect, couldn't get back into game for an hour, then took 25 minutes to zone in, this problem left us with 8 people in the raid last week and is absolutely ridiculous.</p><p>People are paying you for this, the least you could do is inform them that you know there is a problem.</p>

[Mithi]

<p>That's one of the so many flaws from soe.</p><p>Keeping their paying costumers up to date, about anything.</p><p>Better is to keep quiet and dont nag about it, why? Cause they simply don't care or listen</p>

[Mithi]

<p>Just started once again my patcher.</p><p>Showing me i gotta download the game again, for basicly around 10Hours?Whats up with that?????</p><p>Are they willingly screwing game up??????????</p>

[Flobdeth]

<p>One of two accounts cancelled, I aint paying for a game I can't play. One zonetime was 30+ minutes, I just disconnected just now after 15.  Absolutely pathetic, takes 10 mins + to put 1 item on the broker!</p><p>Keep it up SOE, great job yer doing............................of driving people away <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Brian10011]

<p>I too have had it with this.  Nothing to add, just want to add my voice to the chorus of people who are sick and tired of these problems.</p><p>I chose this game specifically because of its lack of PvP content.  If these problems are truly BG related, that's very unfortunate, because it means those of us who abhor PvP are suffering because of making this PvP content available on PvE servers.  If I wanted to play PvP, I would have rolled on a PvP server.</p>

[Mithi]

<p>Couldn't agree more tbh.</p><p>Only to bad, as i say allrdy, they basicly dont care.</p><p>BG, can be stollen from me, prefere a good running game, then this crap.</p><p>I don't play bg, cause like you said if i wanted to play pvp, i would have rolled a toon there, is not enough that they shove it into a game, they dont even have the memory or whatever it is using to run bg.</p><p>They had better bring out the new starting-zone, then this crappy not little running kids-corner</p>

[VBGod]

<p>I really don't give two tosses for PVP, battle grounds or whatever. If I was interested in that, I'd play WOW.</p><p>I'd just like to be able to:</p><p>a) log inb) zonec) use broker</p><p><strong>If it's battle grounds that are causing the problem,<span style="color: #ff0000;"> take them offline until you can get it fixed</span>.</strong> At the moment you are p*ssing off the majority of your players, who are not interested in BG.</p><p>Am I going to sit here for another couple of hours to see if I'm lucky enough to get to log back in? I don't think so. nn</p><p>BTW, anybody reading this who can't log in - have you checked out the shader 3.0 stuff on the test server yet? It's well worth a look at the fantastic job Imago-Quem is doing. The test server seems to be the only reliable server at the moment!</p>

[bks6721]

<p><cite>Hubert@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I really don't give two tosses for PVP, battle grounds or whatever. If I was interested in that, I'd play WOW.</p><p>I'd just like to be able to:</p><p>a) log inb) zonec) use broker</p><p><strong>If it's battle grounds that are causing the problem,<span style="color: #ff0000;"> take them offline until you can get it fixed</span>.</strong> At the moment you are p*ssing off the majority of your players, who are not interested in BG.</p><p>Am I going to sit here for another couple of hours to see if I'm lucky enough to get to log back in? I don't think so. nn</p><p>BTW, anybody reading this who can't log in - have you checked out the shader 3.0 stuff on the test server yet? It's well worth a look at the fantastic job Imago-Quem is doing. The test server seems to be the only reliable server at the moment!</p></blockquote><p>I don't get why some people are having zoning problems.   You see the complaints even when BG's are down.  On my server, Befallen, I've never taken longer than 2 minutes to zone and that was into a T3 lagfest guildhall.   I play BG's often when they are up and zoning is ALWAYS 30 seconds or less.  Whatever it is I hope they can figure it out.</p>

[Thunderthyze]

<p>Hope you're all having a nice weekend SOE. The state of your game is currently a joke and there appears to be no-one on hand to fix anything. This isn't a one off and you don't deserve my money. Currently researching alternatives, I'll let billing know in due course.</p>

[Mithi]

<p><cite>Jjay@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Hubert@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I really don't give two tosses for PVP, battle grounds or whatever. If I was interested in that, I'd play WOW.</p><p>I'd just like to be able to:</p><p>a) log inb) zonec) use broker</p><p><strong>If it's battle grounds that are causing the problem,<span style="color: #ff0000;"> take them offline until you can get it fixed</span>.</strong> At the moment you are p*ssing off the majority of your players, who are not interested in BG.</p><p>Am I going to sit here for another couple of hours to see if I'm lucky enough to get to log back in? I don't think so. nn</p><p>BTW, anybody reading this who can't log in - have you checked out the shader 3.0 stuff on the test server yet? It's well worth a look at the fantastic job Imago-Quem is doing. The test server seems to be the only reliable server at the moment!</p></blockquote><p>I don't get why some people are having zoning problems.   You see the complaints even when BG's are down.  On my server, Befallen, I've never taken longer than 2 minutes to zone and that was into a T3 lagfest guildhall.   I play BG's often when they are up and zoning is ALWAYS 30 seconds or less.  Whatever it is I hope they can figure it out.</p></blockquote><p>Is not some people anymore.</p><p>We are basicly with many now, pray your lucky stars you aint have problems</p>

[Bre]

<p><cite>Etonia@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I too have had it with this.  Nothing to add, just want to add my voice to the chorus of people who are sick and tired of these problems.</p><p><strong>I chose this game specifically because of its lack of PvP content.</strong>  If these problems are truly BG related, that's very unfortunate, because it means those of us who abhor PvP are suffering because of making this PvP content available on PvE servers.  If I wanted to play PvP, I would have rolled on a PvP server.</p></blockquote><p> I couldn't agree more.</p>

[Sougad]

<p>I noticed that when they took BG's down because of the exploit, I zoned faster and my game was alot less laggy. Then BG's came back online and bam...long zone times and lag. Please take BG"s down until you find the problem.</p>

[Umarth]

<p>12 attempts to get into the game, half saying server unavailable, the other half loaded me into char select screen even though i had a character selected, and then displayed the 4 characters i had at the end of TSO at TSO levels and wearing the Appearance gear i had in TSO.</p><p>eventually get in on the correct current characters and it takes me 10-15minutes to get into the Guild hall so i can teleport to sundered frontier which is another 10 minutes. Seriously tonight i couldve been doing 2-4 instances or a raid, getting myself some Marks/Seals. Instead i just decided screw this i cant be doing with it and logged off.</p>

[Rosenthorne]

<p><cite>Brend wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Etonia@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I too have had it with this.  Nothing to add, just want to add my voice to the chorus of people who are sick and tired of these problems.</p><p><strong>I chose this game specifically because of its lack of PvP content.</strong>  If these problems are truly BG related, that's very unfortunate, because it means those of us who abhor PvP are suffering because of making this PvP content available on PvE servers.  If I wanted to play PvP, I would have rolled on a PvP server.</p></blockquote><p> I couldn't agree more.</p></blockquote><p>Me too!</p>

[Monotone]

<p>All of these issues have pretty much NOTHING to do with BG, as it all still exist when BG were taken offline. So fix the lag, screw whatever  BG issue there is now, if people want to pvp they can go roll on a pvp server. It seems more time has been spent fixing BG instead of fixing issues in game.</p>

[Sambone]

<p>Well bg's have been locked for over an hour.  Seemed better at first, but as time goes on guildies and I still get stuck at receiving zone info about as frequently on Oasis anyways.  Imagine that.</p>

[Hellswrath]

<p>Doesn't seem to be BG related right now.  BG is down and I'm watching the zone in channel with 5 of my closest buddies....</p>

[Arindor]

<p>Seriously, the zoing issue needs to be fixed immediately. Battlegrounds is a stupid idea. If iI wanted to PvP I would play on a PvP server. Move BG to its own server and if people want to play on it, then allow them to copy thier toons over there. Another week of this 10 minute zoning and I will quit the game.</p>

[MadHatter1]

<p>Three hours for raid, 30-40 mins wasted on people sitting at "Receiving Zone Info."  Pretty craptacular SoE..../applaud.  And no, we aren't blaming bg's seeing that they've been taken down for an indeterminate amount of time.</p>

[RottenApple82]

<p>I am just so tired of this all, server stability has been terrible since the expansion launched.</p><p>The Customer support and service is a huge joke as well, this thread and or any thread that dares post a complaint is instantly deleted.</p>

[Sambone]

<p><cite>Arindor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Seriously, the zoing issue needs to be fixed immediately. Battlegrounds is a stupid idea. If iI wanted to PvP I would play on a PvP server. Move BG to its own server and if people want to play on it, then allow them to copy thier toons over there. Another week of this 10 minute zoning and I will quit the game.</p></blockquote><p>In your opinion it may be a stupid idea, but there's many people that are loving the new bg's.  It offers people that don't want to play on PVP server full time the ability to get into PVP action.  It also atm is the only means of cross-server play.</p><p>However I would definetely agree this zoning time stuff is way out of hand.  BG's are currently locked to "help" the problem, but zoning times are still horrible.</p><p>Keep them locked until you have the hardware etc to run everything at respectable rates and/or coding straightened out. </p>

[Rhianni]

<p>I just started playing this week after taking a multi year break. Started over and am in antonica. The zone wait is "only" a couple minutes but it does have me concerned what is to come after reading what others are saying on later zones.</p><p>I mean its not like this is SOE's first MMO nor is the game just released. Stories like this are for when a game just launches and we get patch 1.01</p>

[Gladiolus]

<p><cite>Sambone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>there's many people that are loving the new bg's.  It offers people that don't want to play on PVP server full time the ability to get into PVP action.</p></blockquote><p>That's fine, let them go make a character or two on a PvP server. Presumably there are PvP servers around if it's so popular. There are many more people who came to Norrath for reasons which don't include PvP or battlegrounds, so there's no valid reason why they all need to suffer for the sake of something which isn't part of the game and which only a small proportion of the population wants.</p>

[Spritelady]

<p>Battlegrounds was taken down today just prior to our raid.</p><p>Several of our members were stuck receiving zone info for upwards of 10 mins trying to zone into Parah'Celcis labs.  Some decided to quit out and retry.  Those that tried to do so were unable to get back inot the game for 10+ minutes as it they would get Finding Character... Trying Login Server #1.. then they would go to desktop with half their characters missing and red server down messages.</p><p>After 5+ retries they were finally able to return to the game only to have no hot keys.  Relogging 5+ more times before being able to return to game in a playable state.</p><p>This is lamentable stability and obviously not totally related to Battlegrounds, however this issue did START with the release of BG.</p><p>Please SOE, we implore you to find out why this is happening only at what appears to be US Prime Time 6PM - 12AM EST.  Prior to that and after zone times are fairly normal.</p><p>Also, with there being only 3 X4 raid zones this expansion, can we get some stability for Vasty Deep so we can actually take advantage of all 3 raid zones?</p><p>Thank you in advance.</p>

[Slayan]

<p>Same problem here, today it took 5 min to zone into my GH and when I did all my hotbars were blank and I had to re do them all.</p><p>Fix BG or take it out, It sucks that we cant play because of it</p>

[Frenzywolf]

<p><cite>Etonia@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I too have had it with this.  Nothing to add, just want to add my voice to the chorus of people who are sick and tired of these problems.</p><p>I chose this game specifically because of its lack of PvP content.  If these problems are truly BG related, that's very unfortunate, because it means those of us who abhor PvP are suffering because of making this PvP content available on PvE servers.  If I wanted to play PvP, I would have rolled on a PvP server.</p></blockquote><p>I totally agree.</p>

[fatherjules]

<p>and still no comment from SOE customer service about what hte problem is or when it is going to be fixed... hmm</p><p>Wonder if they are getting log in issues at work to?</p>

[Deadeyes]

<p>It seems, to me, that battlegrounds are obviously to blame. I never asked for them nor did i ever have the intentions on playing EQ2 to PvP.</p>

[Mithi]

<p><cite>RottenApple82 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am just so tired of this all, server stability has been terrible since the expansion launched.</p><p>The Customer support and service is a huge joke as well, this thread and or any thread that dares post a complaint is instantly deleted.</p></blockquote><p>I know I aint have much post yet here.</p><p>But seriously, they deleting?I mean whatfor is a forum then??????</p><p>Seriously, 10 mins ago, i started my patcher again, and need almost 2 hour patchtime?????Whyfor??????</p><p>I played from day one, why the hell does it constantly need to repatch the game?And on the remarc on bg, as someone before me posted, great for the ones who love it, create a toon there, or make a new server running for bg, but dont do like this crap.</p><p>Majority who chooses any server, wich wasnt pvp related, choosed it for a reason, now is basicly shoved onto us.</p><p>Bad idea, first off all, and secondly it make the game runs as crap. Never have the feeling or urge to leave this game, but now, they pushing it, and i think many with me</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>Deadeyes wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It seems, to me, that battlegrounds are obviously to blame. I never asked for them nor did i ever have the intentions on playing EQ2 to PvP.</p></blockquote><p>really? seen a message on the 21st that battlegrounds are down for maintence for a period of time, people are still complaining about zone times, but yet the BG's are down - interesting isn't it?</p><p>I rank in one of those that do not have problems zoning, both single boxing, multi-boxing on different boxes and running a couple of clients onthe same machine</p>

[Wilde_Night]

<p>I've had no issues, at all, with zoning since Battlegrounds went in.  Granted, the two servers I play on (Nagafen and Antonia Bayle) are some of the recently upgraded servers.  Perhaps everyone just needs the same upgrade and stop trying to point fingers at the new BG content.</p><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p>

[Tholar]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've had no issues, at all, with zoning since Battlegrounds went in.  Granted, the two servers I play on (Nagafen and Antonia Bayle) are some of the recently upgraded servers.  Perhaps everyone just needs the same upgrade and stop trying to point fingers at the new BG content.</p><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p></blockquote><p>the funny thing is tho, since Battlegrounds were finally fixed, the zoning issues began to increase drastically. Before it was still manageable (sometimes it took a minute to receive the zone info, but that we had already in tso aswell sometimes trying to zone to miragul's planar shard)</p><p>but what really pisses me off is that apparently the "big" database upgrade will be "someday" and that SOE is not soon enough. if you want to keep even the blindly following peeps trying to look over the flaws the game has, then go fix that stuff soon, even if it takes 2 full days of offline servers to fix it, meaning fix that + the lag issue we experience as soon as we pull either oxdaxius with just 70 players in Stonebrunt highlands or Klaaktuss in Sundered Frontier with just 60 players.</p><p>already said it in guild chat, i will watch this issue another few weeks (not too long tho) and if nothing major happens to fix this, then i will move on i think.</p><p>i tried to defend this game a lot in discussions with other mates, versus wow, aion and whatnot, because lets face it, it is still one of the better mmorpg's with a better raid concept than other mmo's. but lately i really lost the faith in the staff who tries to keep the game alive or even trying to improve it.</p><p>so in 3 words: FIX YOUR GAME</p>

[Morgane]

<p>Problems zoning on Everfrost during our raid last night. Again.</p><p>Stuck in broker transactions twice. Had to log out and was able to lock back in quickly, thank goodness.</p><p>Don't know if this has anything to do with anything, but I only have the zoning problems when raiding. I do, however, get stuck in broker transactions quite frequently lately.</p><p>*sigh*</p>

[Fahd]

<p>Server = Runnyeye</p><p>It is a sad day for me. I have played this game since day of release but due to the impossibilty now to raid due to appalling load times to zone and people not being able to get into game I finally cancelled my 3 subscriptions. If there had been at least an acknowledgement to the frustrations of so many people it might have helped. I've had enough of the pi$$ poor customer support and can only see things getting worse until the game finally fails due to the amount of people leaving due to the reasons in this post. Some people predicted that BG would be the death of this game and it was for me i'm afraid</p><p>Good by all and safe travels</p><p>Fahd</p>

[Elebu]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've had no issues, at all, with zoning since Battlegrounds went in.  Granted, the two servers I play on (Nagafen and Antonia Bayle) are some of the recently upgraded servers.  Perhaps everyone just needs the same upgrade and stop trying to point fingers at the new BG content.</p><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p></blockquote><p>duping exploits with the capacity to destroy server economies? - bgs...</p><p>lost/corrupted toons causing inconvenience and grief to a large portion of the playerbase? - bgs...</p><p>numerous server downtimes, hotfixes, and general instability? - bg's...</p><p>You like bg's? awesome, fantastic! Quit coming here and trying to sell us on the fact that bg's have had nothing to do with anything gone wrong lately.</p>

[Elathuzia]

<p>Well, just as an update of sorts, things seemed to be somewhat better last night with *fewer* 5+ minute zonings, which allowed us to get some (more) actual playing in.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />  Earlier, when I made my original post, almost every zoning was a 5+ minute one (this on Oasis), whereas now (or last night, as the case may be) *most* zonings were going fairly quickly.  So, definitely an improvement.</p><p>I won't get on the "Battlegrounds are to blame" bandwagon because I have no idea if the battlegrounds actually have any direct correlation with the problems we've been having, and even if they do, I'm sure a lot of people enjoy them and that's fine by me. (Even if they're not *my* cup-of-tea.)  Regardless of whether the problems are battleground related or not, I hope that SOE manages to fix the problem(s) ASAP *and* keep battlegrounds open and working and all that, because the more fun stuff there is to do in this game, the better it is for everyone in the long run.</p><p>And, as I've mentioned before, we are having a LOT of fun with this game.  Awesome job and kudos to all at SOE for what they HAVE accomplished with EQ2.  Please keep up the good work!  And I'm sure there are a lot of people over there beating their heads trying to fix the problem(s).  (Virtual) chocolate chip cookies to all.  (It always makes me smile when I see the in-game "tip" about chocolate chip cookies. Of course it always makes me WANT chocolate chip cookies, too! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /> )</p>

[Jesdyr]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p></blockquote><p>The problems are Database load. BGs have put a large strain on the database servers. Are BGs the only cause? No. Do they seem to cause a huge increase in server problems related to database load? Yes.</p><p>It only takes 1 poorly written SQL statement to bring a server to it's knees. It seems that the intentory merge when you return from BGs is not optimized very well. They took a shortcut to reduce it's CPU time and we got a dupe bug. It seems like SOE knows the problem, they just have not found a good solution other than throwing hardware at the problem (so it seems).</p><p>So yes, BGs are a huge problem because they put more load on an already stressed system.</p>

[Jhanos]

<p>Before they shut off the BGS I was having very long load times getting into and out of the fairy ring minizones and enterting enchanted lands from Nektulos.</p><p>After they shut off the BGS, I had less problems, but still have the occassional 3-5min load time.  So like mentioned above, it's not that the BGS are the only cause, but they are a factor.  Many of the other symptoms also point to database load, like the broker bugs, combar art lag, etc.</p>

[Slayan]

<p>I 'm just glad they worked out the GB before going live, I love how now the game is broken for all of us because of this.</p><p>If you want to PVP go make a toon on the PVP server and let all us other players play this game. Yhis is total bull crap.</p>

[Jhanos]

<p><cite>Slayan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I 'm just glad they worked out the GB before going live, I love how now the game is broken for all of us because of this.</p><p>If you want to PVP go make a toon on the PVP server and let all us other players play this game. Yhis is total bull crap.</p></blockquote><p>Whoa spanky, relax and think it through.  It's database load, so I'm sure it was all A-OK in testing.  If fault lies in their testing, it would be in not doing enough automated load testing and banging on the database, but they probably saw performing looking good and made a easy human error.  There's a good chance if they hadn't added the BGs and did something else pve centric and just as ambitious we would be in the same spot.</p>

[Arkinon]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've had no issues, at all, with zoning since Battlegrounds went in.  Granted, the two servers I play on (Nagafen and Antonia Bayle) are some of the recently upgraded servers.  Perhaps everyone just needs the same upgrade and stop trying to point fingers at the new BG content.</p><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p></blockquote><p>With the addition of battlegrounds there has been Overwhelming server lag on nearly all servers. SOE has said that many of the issues are becuase of the way BG has been implimented. When they took it down for the 1 or 2 days server it cleared op nearly all the zoning lag.... So while BG can be fun it is the cause of many of the zoning issues that people are complaining about. It wasnt tested fully and the amout of expoits bugs and server issues its causing needs to fixed.</p><p>on mistmoore.... It took me 12 min to zone into East freeport last night using my call and another 10 to zone into North Freeporrt. Once I was done getting what I needed forme the mage tower it took me another 15 min to zone into my guild hall. All becuase I was stuck at recieving zone info which didnt start happening until BG went live. So I spent 5 min of actual playtime with nearly 40min of wait time. I would call this a HUGE problem that is a direct result of the BGs.</p>

[Kendricke]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've had no issues, at all, with zoning since Battlegrounds went in.  Granted, the two servers I play on (Nagafen and Antonia Bayle) are some of the recently upgraded servers.  Perhaps everyone just needs the same upgrade and stop trying to point fingers at the new BG content.</p><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p></blockquote><p><a name="5280244" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=474591&post_id=5280244#5280244" target="_blank">Battlegrounds and DB Issues</a></p><div>Though it may not be direct causality, I'd say that post shows a strong correlation. </div>

[fatherjules]

<p>and still... unless I have missed it... no appology or explanation from SOE?  hmm..........</p>

[Flobdeth]

<p><cite>fatherjules wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>and still... unless I have missed it... no appology or explanation from SOE?  hmm..........</p></blockquote><p>I wouldn't hold your breath, the only probable reason I can think on why this thread hasn't been deleted cause the mods are on a long weekend, dunno bout the volunteers though, to which, but they can't speak for soe <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Sambone]

<p>Hopefully the coming "soon" upgrade will actually be soon.  The majority of the problems don't seem to be so extreme when the load is light, but when weekends come and/or primtimes everything goes haywire as if the hardware just can't keep up.  Good coding or not.</p>

[bks6721]

<p><cite>Arkinon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've had no issues, at all, with zoning since Battlegrounds went in.  Granted, the two servers I play on (Nagafen and Antonia Bayle) are some of the recently upgraded servers.  Perhaps everyone just needs the same upgrade and stop trying to point fingers at the new BG content.</p><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p></blockquote><p>With the addition of battlegrounds there has been Overwhelming server lag on nearly all servers. SOE has said that many of the issues are becuase of the way BG has been implimented. When they took it down for the 1 or 2 days server it cleared op nearly all the zoning lag.... So while BG can be fun it is the cause of many of the zoning issues that people are complaining about. It wasnt tested fully and the amout of expoits bugs and server issues its causing needs to fixed.</p><p>on mistmoore.... It took me 12 min to zone into East freeport last night using my call and another 10 to zone into North Freeporrt. Once I was done getting what I needed forme the mage tower it took me another 15 min to zone into my guild hall. All becuase I was stuck at recieving zone info which didnt start happening until BG went live. So I spent 5 min of actual playtime with nearly 40min of wait time. I would call this a HUGE problem that is a direct result of the BGs.</p></blockquote><p>you know BG's where down last night right?</p>

[Valphine]

<p>re-run patcher issue & cant find character drive me crazy!</p>

[Cuedywene]

<p>12 minutes this afternoon to zone into a city zone that had maybe 3 people in it....</p><p>This is unplayable currently....bleh</p>

[bleap]

<p>For me the ame is esentially broken. I get a couple hours each night play. Have of my time is spent zoning and I am tired of starting the game to find that I only have 4 out of my 12 toons available to play. I PAY FOR THOSE EXTRA SLOTS...</p><p>Fix it soon or I will abandon EQ2 AGAIN</p>

[Ashlian]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I've had no issues, at all, with zoning since Battlegrounds went in.  Granted, the two servers I play on (Nagafen and Antonia Bayle) are some of the recently upgraded servers.  Perhaps everyone just needs the same upgrade and stop trying to point fingers at the new BG content.</p><p>You don't like Battle Grounds, cool, great.  Stop trying to make that your scape goat for everything that is going wrong.</p></blockquote><p>The problem isn't BG itself. The problem is the load that BG places on the login servers that you yourself have just pointed out have not been upgraded. I'm on one of the un-upgraded servers the devs themselves admit are using old database systems. So if BG is up or is not up but has essentially [Removed for Content]'ed the database files with all the copying its done back and forth through the crappy login database system, then we....are....screwed. Get it? Got it? Good. It's simple. I have no issues with BG in principle but those of us on servers who can DIRECTLY see an impact when BG is up have a right to complain about it.</p><p>I'm very happy that your server doesn't have that issue because it gives me hope that perhaps they'll get off their tushes and upgrade mine. But don't tell me I shouldn't connect point A to point B when it's an awfully obvious connection on my server, and noticed by thousands. I agree, BG is content in and of itself and I have no issues with it being in game. My issue is the completely noticeable strain it places on Mistmoore login servers any time it is up or has BEEN up. When they take the servers completely down and don't put BG back up, the lag and zoning issues are miraculously gone for the most part until BG is up. Then, whether BG is taken down later or not, it's back. End of story.</p>

[Cuedywene]

<p>It would be great if SOE would announce the compensation to be provided to the subscribers who currently have characters on unplayable servers. </p><p>I like the zoning artwork but I can use google image search to sit at my computer and look at pictures. </p><p>At very least a list of servers that are functioning would be great!  I'm currently on Mistmoore and zone times are close to 10 minutes. </p>

[Honlo]

<p>well........... i dont get to play eq2 a lot,, maybe 2-3 times a week.</p><p>i tried this weekend to log in -friday eveing after work and couldnt (after 10 min receiving info) i logged out</p><p>Tried again  sat, same thing although i did managed to log in , but when i went to guild hall after 2 mins , You got it RECEIVING ZONE INFO) logged out. didnt log back in again</p><p>sunday after 30mins play in OOA with a group. zoned out and , yes you got it  (RECIEVING ZONE INFO!) crashed and didnt log back in again</p><p>I didnt log in on monday and read the forum for more info  or flames, it seems   SOE are not reacting. !!!</p><p>If it happens once more i'LL stop paying and playing, waste of time im afraid.</p><p>GET IT SORTED OUT, your taking my money without and problems arn't you !!</p><p>FFS</p>

[Jasuo]

<p>It's all about the amazing battlegrounds, your play time is insignificant to them as long as they can keep that junk online.</p>

[Thunderthyze]

<p><cite>Jasuo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's all about the amazing battlegrounds, your play time is insignificant to them as long as they can keep that junk online.</p></blockquote><p>No its insignificant as long as you keep paying them. Now follow that thought process through I suggest.</p>

[steelbadger]

<p>If I were SOE I'd announce a 1 week subscription credit for everyone.  Not a massive hit to their revenue stream and would go a long way to regaining the faith of the community.  I know SOE never, ever, admits it has made a mistake but that is why it's reputation only ever gets worse.  You need to make amends and offer reimbursement for your mistakes from time to time.</p><p>If you want to be seen as a go-getting community centric MMO company a small playtime credit for a mess-up like this would speak louder than a thousand dev chats.</p>

[Spritelady]

<p>Zoning was fine all day.</p><p>BG went down just prior to raid at 8:30 EST.</p><p>All members were in raid by 8:15.</p><p>Took until 8:48 to get everyone zoned from GH to Stonebrunt to Palace.</p><p>That is 48 minutes wasted of the raid night waiting on zoning.</p><p>Vasty Deep has been down more than it is up (its like if BG is up, vasty is down and vice versa)</p><p>We only have 2.5 hours of raid time an evening... please, please, please stop worrying about all the other stuff and get server stability issues resolved.  Take BG down for now, perform the DB upgrades etc.</p>

[Thunderthyze]

<p><cite>steelbadger wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If you want to be seen as a go-getting community centric MMO company a small playtime credit for a mess-up like this would speak louder than a thousand dev chats.</p></blockquote><p>LOL....a thousand Dev Chats? Don't think I could stomach that degree of concentrated "love-in"....or the talk of cookies either come to think of it.</p><p>Don't hold your breath, I think you would find that it would be "<em>impossible</em> <span style="font-size: xx-small;">TM</span>" for SOE to be able to do a game-wide credit, and to be honest I would just be happy if they fixed things. (That is how low my expectations have become).</p>

[VBGod]

<p>BattleGrounds were suspended last night & whadya know, I could log on & zone. I still have a duplicated character that I've /petition'ed about - it's bizarre to stand there next to yourself and it certainly caused confusion to a few passing players. I dare not play that alt until it's sorted.</p><p>So it seems the BG zoning overloaded the database. There have been good suggestions for a BG holding area that would cut down the amount of copying backwards & forwards.</p><p>Another idea I'd like to suggest is that you only access BG from the character select screen. By doing this, the character would be actually logged out at the time the copy is done across to the BG server. Then, you can read the character data without requiring a read lock - probably a major cause of delays while aquiring the transaction lock. When you've finished in BG, you exit back to character select. The copies to/from BG can then be treated with lower priority than adventurers zoning. BG'ers get a slight delay in & out of BG, no-one else is affected. Or does that seem too simple?</p>

[Elathuzia]

<p>Whatever they've done, last night zoning was fine.  If Battlegrounds were indeed down then that does seem to point to some relation between them and certainly at least *some* of the problem.  In any case, I hope they get it all straightened out soon (if they haven't already) so *everyone* gets to play and enjoy the game (including Battlegrounds.)</p><p>Had so much fun, I stayed up *way* too late playing. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p>