Mantis leap

[Ozzio]

<p>Well the servers are down again so I thought I'd post about this skill. I did a search and really didn't find any opinions on the change to this skill. So I'm hoping to get some opinions from veteran bruisers. Do you like the change or not and why?</p><p>I've been playing about 2 weeks now and am still feeling the classes out. Which seems to be taking longer than normal. Usually i have a class picked out pretty early. It seems every time i find something i really like about a class, it turns out that skill was changed or their mirror class is actually better at the skill i like, but i don't like the mirror class.</p><p>Bruiser was my latest hope for a class and Mantis leap was the skill i really liked. The description i found though said it teleported you to target , then let you do critical damage for a few seconds. Which i thought sounded great! So i made a bruiser and started leveling him. When i got an AA point I took the time to look through the choices and when i came across Mantis leap i was just outraged. It happened again! They took a skill that sounded really great and turned it into something i don't like at all.</p><p>To me it seems like they took a skill that was beneficial to everyone. ( solo, group, and raiders ) and turned it into something very few will want to use. It's my understanding that bruiser/monk doesn't tank well. If you want to tank you'd better have really good gear. So for those casual players who can't really get this great equipment. This skill is basically useless now, because you wont be tanking in any groups. As for soloers, there is no reason to up threat on a mob when you are the only one attacking it.</p><p>Now i found out with Coercer that just because i hate a certain change doesn't mean the majority does. I could also just be misinformed (which seems to be happening a lot) So i am asking you more experienced players what you think. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>The old mantis leap teleported you and only made it to where your VERY NEXT ATTACK was critical.   It gave you ONE crit... thats ALL.  It was complete garbage.  Crit chance is abundant on all gear now, and every brawler in the game should have no problem at all getting 100% crit. </p><p>  As for the new Mantis Leap, it still has the teleport, but also has something that MANY of us have been asking for, and that is a way to recover after raid mobs do a 24 position mem-wipe.   Personally I've used it, and it's not bad.  For me, I'm not needing the extra hate so much right now, so It's not on my current spec, but either way the ability is MUCH improved. </p>

[Ozzio]

<p><cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The old mantis leap teleported you and only made it to where your VERY NEXT ATTACK was critical.   It gave you ONE crit... thats ALL.  It was complete garbage.  Crit chance is abundant on all gear now, and every brawler in the game should have no problem at all getting 100% crit. </p><p>  As for the new Mantis Leap, it still has the teleport, but also has something that MANY of us have been asking for, and that is a way to recover after raid mobs do a 24 position mem-wipe.   Personally I've used it, and it's not bad.  For me, I'm not needing the extra hate so much right now, so It's not on my current spec, but either way the ability is MUCH improved. </p></blockquote><p>Ok i was under the impression that it gave 6 seconds of criticals. I can see where if it only gave one it wasn't very good. Especially if auto-attack came on right after you used it. Still i don't see this as much of an improvement for a tier 4 skill though.</p><p>I figured this would help a little on raids but who's gonna spend 22 points to go down and get this when you'll only use it once or twice a day or maybe even per week. The rest of the mantis tree didn't seem all that impressive , and all the other tier 4 abilities seem a lot better and more useful than this one. You said yourself you didn't bother to get it. I don't think many others will either.</p><p>I suppose i should be happy that they changed it though or i would have wasted time getting all the way down the tree for 1 crit. Thanks for the reply Crabbok. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[TheSpin]

<p>It's also worth mentioning that mantis leap can be used without needing the teleport function.  If you're already standing next to the mob it's basically another taunt now.  Not really a bad thing to have.   I'm not saying it'll be the number 1 choice for brawlers, but it's definately not useless if you want to tank.</p><p>I used the old mantis leap on my bruiser at low levels simply because there is no crit gear at low levels, and I found it pretty useful.  Now that they changed it I changed my spec because I don't really need to manage hate at my level.</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>Keep in mind, you are not spending 22 points just for 1 ability.  The proc, Mantis Bolt, is amazing now at rank 10.  Also Mantis Star is a very nice debuff now.   The deflection gains aren't bad either.  The whole line is nice to have IMO. </p>

[Ozzio]

<p><cite>Wambulance@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Keep in mind, you are not spending 22 points just for 1 ability.  The proc, Mantis Bolt, is amazing now at rank 10.  Also Mantis Star is a very nice debuff now.   The deflection gains aren't bad either.  The whole line is nice to have IMO. </p></blockquote><p>I hadn't really found any bad info on Mantis bolt but i hadn't found anything good either. A lot of the info i read is out dated though , so it's nice to see something good said about it. It seems harder to find a great deal of info on any skill though unless it's in some way related to "Chi". <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Does mantis bolt stack with crane twirl from wisdom line?</p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p><cite>Wambulance@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Keep in mind, you are not spending 22 points just for 1 ability.  The proc, Mantis Bolt, is amazing now at rank 10.  Also Mantis Star is a very nice debuff now.   The deflection gains aren't bad either.  The whole line is nice to have IMO. </p></blockquote><p>what does the mantis bold do now? not willing to reset aa 2 times to figure it out lol. reset tomany times as it is</p>

[Aule]

Debuff to STA, AGI and STR of target 01 - 138.6 02 - 146.3 03 - 154.0 04 - 169.4 05 - 184.8 06 - 200.2 07 - 215.6 08 - 231.0 09 - 246.4 10 - 254.1 Also includes a fairly mediocre amount of a damage component. The only complaint I have with Mantis Star is the range sucks at 25m. Consider that I've yet to find a SF thrown weapon without a 35m range, and shuriken add 5m to that. The range should simply match that of your ranged auto attack. Still, if you have to joust at any point, you might as well debuff the mob while you're at it since the debuff lasts 72 seconds. Mantis Star is very respectable single target damage. Deflecting Pincers increases Deflection skill by 3.1 per rank for most ranks. 01 - 03.1 02 - 06.2 03 - 09.4 (3.2 gain) 04 - 12.5 05 - 15.6 06 - 18.7 07 - 21.8 08 - 24.9 09 - 28.1 (3.2 gain) 10 - 31.2 Maxing it out will add 4 or 5% to your block chance unless you have a spectacular amount of +deflection skill from gear and are pushing diminishing returns quite a bit already.

[Lethe5683]

<p><span style="color: #993366;">IMO the endline is extreamly poor compared to most other brawler endlines however the earlier abilities in the line, the ranged debuff and particularly the damage proc are very good.</span></p>

[Silzin]

As a grouping monk, I use Mantis Leap a lot, its my fastest reusing positional, with a reuse time of 1.5 min its almost half of my others. Its also nice as a monk I don’t have as much AOE taunts and using Mantis Leap with Crain Flock is very nice for AOE agro. Also with no additional AA in it I have 10 sec’s of agro lock on any mob…. even those 1s that cant be locks, since I am gaining a position of 3 every sec or so.

[Aule]

<p><cite>Ozzio wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's my understanding that bruiser/monk doesn't tank well. If you want to tank you'd better have really good gear. So for those casual players who can't really get this great equipment. This skill is basically useless now, because you wont be tanking in any groups. As for soloers, there is no reason to up threat on a mob when you are the only one attacking it.</p></blockquote><p>Brawlers tank just fine, it's just not an easy mode class like SK or Berserker.  The single factor that determines how good of a tank you're going to be is not gear, it's mindset.  If you have the mindset for it, then you'll be a good tank plain and simple.  I'd rather have a good tank who's under geared versus a complete suck tank that's 100% decked out in raid alt loot any day of the week. </p><p>Also, the teleport component is useful even while solo if you get snared or rooted.  It's useful for repositioning yourself during a knockback too, if you're in the air and you teleport you are no longer in the air.  If you don't want to actually tank, you can just macro it to /cancel_maintained_ability mantis leap (exact wording may differ slightly) and hit it twice, once to teleport and once to cancel the effect.  If you're raiding and jousting, you can get back in before any of the other melee (assassin might beat you in).  You can also target an ally and teleport to them. </p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Lethe5683 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #993366;">IMO the endline is extreamly poor compared to most other brawler endlines however the earlier abilities in the line, the ranged debuff and particularly the damage proc are very good.</span></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #993366;">Nevermind the above post, I didn't notice that is was changed to a much more usefull ability.</span></p>