The Moon

[mikbove]

<p>I don't know if its just me, but I swear to god the moon in EQ2 has changed.  when I started playing it was more fragmented, these days it looks as if the fragmented pieces are moving as if piecing themselves back together.  Is it just me or has anyone else noticed this, cause its starting to drive me insane now.</p>

[Rijacki]

<p>It's not just you, but in different places and at different times you will see different sides leading to it looking like it's reforming at times.</p>

[Arondur]

<p>This question has come up before, and I do not know for sure if it is changing, not being a Dev.  However, depending on angle of view, time of day, soforth it looks different IE: more together-other times more shattered. </p>

[mikbove]

<p>Thank goodness is not just me then, I thought I as seeing things.  It never occured to me that it moved around etc likie normal moons do.  and there was me fantasising that in some bizarre way something was going to happen and the moon was going to get back together again and a new age of Everquest would begin.  Oh well its still very cool though that the devs have made the moon behave like that, it wouldnt have even entered my head to do that.</p>

[BMonkeeus]

[Removed for Content] Gnomes...

[Wilde_Night]

<p>Nope.  Gnomes can't be blamed anymore.  The truth is out, [Removed for Content] Erudites!</p>

[Deson]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Nope.  Gnomes can't be blamed anymore.  The truth is out, [Removed for Content] Erudites!</p></blockquote><p>It hasn't been explicitly stated. It could still be gnomes!</p>

[Graymane-Dunedain]

<p>Has it always orbited backwards?</p><p>I haven't been around that long and just noticed for the first time the other day that the moon sets in the east???</p><p>Very, very strange orbital mechanics........</p>

[Kyaaadaa]

<p>One of the people I play with has said that every expansion has drawn the moon closer and closer together... maybe in an expansion or two the moon will become another zone again? "The Erudites, with the help from some gnomes, have reforged the lunar transportation and have recreated civilization on the moon!"</p>

[Wilde_Night]

<p><cite>Kyaaadaa@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One of the people I play with has said that every expansion has drawn the moon closer and closer together... maybe in an expansion or two the moon will become another zone again? "The Erudites, with the help from some gnomes, have reforged the lunar transportation and have recreated civilization on the moon!"</p></blockquote><p>Hand them their tin-foil hat.  It hasn't changed in 5 years, we've a whole thread on it in the History and Lore forum with comparison photos and more.  No change, just the rotation of it makes it look as if it is drawing together depending on the side you see.</p>

[Kyaaadaa]

<p>^</p><p>you bubble bursting wap...</p>

[Wilde_Night]

<p>Ooookay.  I'm a Wireless Application Protocol...  *shrugs*</p><p>Personally, I am glad the moon is gone.  That expansion in EQ1 was the beginning of the end for me.  Personal feelings aside, unless Luclin herself decides to intervene and put it back together, we probably won't see any patching of the moon during this version of Everquest.</p><p>Who knows in future versions though.</p>

[Kyaaadaa]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ooookay.  I'm a Wireless Application Protocol...  *shrugs*</p><p>Personally, I am glad the moon is gone.  That expansion in EQ1 was the beginning of the end for me.  Personal feelings aside, unless Luclin herself decides to intervene and put it back together, we probably won't see any patching of the moon during this version of Everquest.</p><p>Who knows in future versions though.</p></blockquote><p>Always wanted to use the word "wap" since hearing it on Boondock Saints.</p><p>I wouldn't mind something crazy happening with the moon, whether it be a new expansion with zones and raids and all that, or maybe just a bit of in game RPing we only hear about while speed clicking through other quests.</p>

[Shailas]

<p>I've alwas wanted a return of the Ssraeshza at one point. Just please no key camps to get to the boss...lol.</p>

[trovan2]

<p><cite>mikbove wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thank goodness is not just me then, I thought I as seeing things.  It never occured to me that it moved around etc likie normal moons do.  and there was me fantasising that in some bizarre way something was going to happen and the moon was going to get back together again and a new age of Everquest would begin.  Oh well its still very cool though that the devs have made the moon behave like that, it wouldnt have even entered my head to do that.</p></blockquote><p>If the Norrithian moon is anything like the Earth's moon, then we should always see the same side of it ... Earth and our Moon orbit at the same speed, meaning we never see the dark half of the moon. Norrath being a different planet COULD be different I suppose ....</p>

[Wilde_Night]

<p>You have to also ponder, did the explosion knock it off orbit at all?  If so, is that why it now spinning?  Will it eventually crash into Norrath?  Will it eventually wobble off into space?  Does Norrath even follow all of the laws of physics that Earth does?</p>

[trovan2]

<p>Seeing as how I fall back onto Norrath when I jump and fall of cliffs, and such ... I have come to the conclusion that Norrath indeed has a gravity. Since Norrath does have a gravity, I can assume such a gravity holds the moon in Norrath's orbit (unless facts are found to show other forces, aka 'magic', does). If both these are fact, then it is proper to assume the moon's gravity does affect the water tides on Norrath (similar to Earth).</p><p>When the moon was damaged, what happened to all the moon-based phases on Norrath (such as tides)? One would think SOME  effect would have happened. Seeing as how 500 years seperate EQ1 and EQ2, I suppose some sort of sabilization could have happened.</p><p>Who knows, maybe the tricky erudites conjured some magical 'chains' to keep the moon in stabilized orbit ...</p>

[Hawkmoons]

<p>I for one would not mind a lunar expansion, does not have to be Luc, there is another moon, maybe all the civil transported to it and well you could also have an expansion on the parts left of luc, but hell I liked it in eq1, just please soe if you do make a revisit please make it big, no small time, cause dam I liked all the zones.</p>

[The_Cheeseman]

<p>I hate to point out the obvious here, but if the development team for EQ2 had wished to eventually return to Luclin in a future expansion, they probably wouldn't have chosen to blow it up at the beginning of the game.</p>

[Cuedywene]

<p>I've often thought and hoped the same thing...</p><p>I imagine someday we will go to Luclin again...</p>

[Zmobie]

<p><cite>Graymane-Dunedain wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Has it always orbited backwards?</p><p>I haven't been around that long and just noticed for the first time the other day that the moon sets in the east???</p><p>Very, very strange orbital mechanics........</p></blockquote><p>Well, Triton orbits Pluto in a retrograde orbit, so it's not completely unheard of.</p><p>If I was very geeky, I'd think that this was perhaps evidence that Norath's moon was captured, and not formed along with the rest of Norath's solar system.</p><p>--Kait</p>

[Lleren]

<p>Well Luclin may be shattered, but there are still some largish chunks.  Its just too bad none of the chunks that fell to norrath where cheese.</p>

[tarb]

<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hate to point out the obvious here, but if the development team for EQ2 had wished to eventually return to Luclin in a future expansion, they probably wouldn't have chosen to blow it up at the beginning of the game.</p></blockquote><p>I disagree with this, you make a good point but the Devs also left it right there plain as day for all to see, and while it is shattered you can easily see that if they wanted to they could take us back to the the moon someday. Does anyone that played wow remember another shattered destroyed world called Outland. I think seeing Schzraaaa or whatever it was called would be incredible for EQ2, the Grey would be sweet also. and the snakes with EQ2 graphics would be great. My wish list for expansions next would be Velious ( a 2 or 3 part expansion ) and then Luclin after that. I know alot of people did not like Luclin for eq1 but that does not mean It can be awesome for EQ2.</p>

[Brigh]

<p><cite>mikbove wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't know if its just me, but I swear to god the moon in EQ2 has changed.  when I started playing it was more fragmented, these days it looks as if the fragmented pieces are moving as if piecing themselves back together.  Is it just me or has anyone else noticed this, cause its starting to drive me insane now.</p></blockquote><p>This thread has popped up before. If SoE had a better forum search function you could easily find your question months, years ago.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Hawkmoons wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I for one would not mind a lunar expansion, does not have to be Luc, there is another moon, maybe all the civil transported to it and well you could also have an expansion on the parts left of luc, but hell I liked it in eq1, just please soe if you do make a revisit please make it big, no small time, cause dam I liked all the zones.</p></blockquote><p>Drinal doesn't have an atmosphere that can support life.</p><p>Yes, Luclin is still revolving in orbit. No, it's not reforming. Only direct divine intervention would be able to bring life back to the scorched and blackened surface of Luclin, restore it's atmosphere and make it inhabitable again.. though the Shissar, Vah Shir, Akheva, Combine Empire, coterie vampires, and everything else, living or undead, was turned to ashes when it exploded. I couldn't see there being even ashes left over.</p>

[Satu]

<p>Looks pretty broken to me still....</p><p><a href="http://img63.imageshack.us/i/eq2000035.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/848/eq2000035.th.jpg" border="0" /></a></p>

[Momerath]

<p><cite>Kaityn@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, Triton orbits Pluto in a retrograde orbit, so it's not completely unheard of.</p></blockquote><p>Pluto's moons are Charon, Nix and Hydra. Charon, the largest of the moons, is tidally locked to Pluto, as is Pluto to Charon so it never moves in the sky. Nix and Hydra both orbit 'normally'.</p><p>Triton is a moon of Neptune, and it does have a retrograde orbit.</p><p>Pendantic froglok day.</p>

[Rijacki]

<p><cite>trovan2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Seeing as how I fall back onto Norrath when I jump and fall of cliffs, and such ... I have come to the conclusion that Norrath indeed has a gravity. Since Norrath does have a gravity, I can assume such a gravity holds the moon in Norrath's orbit (unless facts are found to show other forces, aka 'magic', does). If both these are fact, then it is proper to assume the moon's gravity does affect the water tides on Norrath (similar to Earth).</p><p>When the moon was damaged, what happened to all the moon-based phases on Norrath (such as tides)? One would think SOME  effect would have happened. Seeing as how 500 years seperate EQ1 and EQ2, I suppose some sort of sabilization could have happened.</p><p>Who knows, maybe the tricky erudites conjured some magical 'chains' to keep the moon in stabilized orbit ...</p></blockquote><p>Norrath has more than one moon. There were effects to the planet when the moon exploded, the Shattering.</p>

[trovan2]

<p><cite>Kaityn@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well, Triton orbits Pluto in a retrograde orbit, so it's not completely unheard of.</p><p>If I was very geeky, I'd think that this was perhaps evidence that Norath's moon was captured, and not formed along with the rest of Norath's solar system.</p><p> -Kait</p></blockquote><p>Pluto is not a planet, its a planetiod.</p><p>And <span><a></a><span style="font-size: x-small; color: #888888;"><strong>The_Cheeseman,</strong> <span style="color: #ffffff;">this is a world of magic .... it is very well possible.</span></span></span></p>

[Kyklopes]

<p>I have a screenshot I took a week or two ago that shows two moons -- the broken Luclin moon, and a complete second moon. </p><p>About the tidal thing -- that's affected by the Mass of the moons, doesn't matter if they're in a whole ball or in pieces, as long as they're in a general clump.  With the spreading out of the debris, the tides would likely be changed a little bit, but most of Luclin appears to be in the main mass. </p><p>With 2 moons, Norrath would probably have double tides, with some times of Very High tides when the affects of the two moons stack.  Would be cool to see the affects of a double-moon eclipse, maybe signalling the arrival of another God or two.</p>

[Banqy]

<p><cite>trovan2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If the Norrithian moon is anything like the Earth's moon, then we should always see the same side of it ... Earth and our Moon orbit at the same speed, meaning we never see the dark half of the moon. Norrath being a different planet COULD be different I suppose ....</p></blockquote><p>That's not quite the case. The earth's orbit speed has got nothing to do with it. In fact, it's all because of the movement of the moon. It rotates its own axis at the same speed it orbits the earth. Meaning when it has gone once around the earth, it has turned around once, too.</p><p>And to illustrate this;</p><p>Place a coin on the table. Have it orbit around any object while turning the coin so that the same edge of the coin faces the other object. You'll see that the speed of the object it orbits has nothing to do with why we always see the same side of the moon.</p><p>/exit moon lesson <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p>

[The_Cheeseman]

<p><cite>trovan2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffffff;">And The_Cheeseman, this is a world of magic .... it is very well possible.<span></span></span></p></blockquote><p>I am not disputing the fact that a return to Luclin could be designed in such a way as to remain internally-consistent within the setting. I am simply making the point that if a writer seeks to explore certain areas in the future of their setting, they generally don't start off by making a huge deal about how that area has been totally obliterated. They intentionally decided to make the destruction of Luclin a major plot point in the story of EQ2. If they had wished to eventually return to Luclin in the game, it seems counter-productive to do this, because any return to Luclin will be extremely contrived at worst, and undermine the importance of The Shattering event at best. It would weaken the narrative and hurt the credibility of the setting. Since I actually do have some faith in the quality of the EQ2 storyline, I consider a return to Luclin to be a very remote possibility.</p>

[Graymane-Dunedain]

<p><cite>trovan2 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>mikbove wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Thank goodness is not just me then, I thought I as seeing things.  It never occured to me that it moved around etc likie normal moons do.  and there was me fantasising that in some bizarre way something was going to happen and the moon was going to get back together again and a new age of Everquest would begin.  Oh well its still very cool though that the devs have made the moon behave like that, it wouldnt have even entered my head to do that.</p></blockquote><p>If the Norrithian moon is anything like the Earth's moon, then we should always see the same side of it ... Earth and our Moon orbit at the same speed, meaning we never see the dark half of the moon. Norrath being a different planet COULD be different I suppose ....</p></blockquote><p>What you really mean is that the earth's rotation speed and the moon's orbital speed are the same.</p><p>Does anyone know the answer to the question I asked above? Has the moon always orbited backwards?</p>

[Widgetblaster]

<p>As as former EQ1 player, the explosion of Luclin was one of the good features of EQ2. Paludal Caverns, bye bye!</p>

[Jaudark]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kyaaadaa@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One of the people I play with has said that every expansion has drawn the moon closer and closer together... maybe in an expansion or two the moon will become another zone again? "The Erudites, with the help from some gnomes, have reforged the lunar transportation and have recreated civilization on the moon!"</p></blockquote><p>Hand them their tin-foil hat.  It hasn't changed in 5 years, we've a whole thread on it in the History and Lore forum with comparison photos and more.  No change, just the rotation of it makes it look as if it is drawing together depending on the side you see.</p></blockquote><p>I haven't saw it and i went 4 pages in that section. Plus used the search and i havent found it</p>

[Inire]

<p>SOE nerf moon stacking plz.</p>

[Upir]

<p><cite>Kyaaadaa@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^</p><p>you bubble bursting wap...</p></blockquote><p>So I wanna make sure I've got this right... did you really just say that?  Doesn't hurt my feelings, I'm not Italian, but I'm pretty surprised no one's taken the time (mod, wheres your heavy hand?) to point out to you that you probably shouldn't be saying that on the official boards.  I've got Italian friends that if you went up to them in a bar and called them that, they'd react just like you'd expect a black guy to react if you busted out the N word.  Think...</p><p>PS you spelled it wrong, Ironically if you hadn't referenced Boondock Saints, I wouldn't have even known what you meant</p>

[Azerack]

<p><cite>Upirus wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kyaaadaa@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>^</p><p>you bubble bursting wap...</p></blockquote><p>So I wanna make sure I've got this right... did you really just say that?  Doesn't hurt my feelings, I'm not Italian, but I'm pretty surprised no one's taken the time (mod, wheres your heavy hand?) to point out to you that you probably shouldn't be saying that on the official boards.  I've got Italian friends that if you went up to them in a bar and called them that, they'd react just like you'd expect a black guy to react if you busted out the N word.  Think...</p><p>PS you spelled it wrong, Ironically if you hadn't referenced Boondock Saints, I wouldn't have even known what you meant</p></blockquote><p>I was surprised nobody had said anything either..</p><p>In fact, that Boondock Saints was referenced either means that the person has no idea (which may account for the spelling error) what the word means, or that they have no clue what negative reactions a racial slur can get you on public forums.</p><p>If you're not racist, you are ignorant. Neither is welcome with regard to that topic.</p><p>-------------------------</p><p>Oh, and to bring the Thread back online, we had the Vah Shir because we didn't have the Kerra.</p><p>We have the Kerra, now, so we have no need for Vah Shir (except as NPC's).</p><p>We already have a ton of easy ways to travel around Norrath so I can't see the Nexus coming back being anything other than an added zone (maybe with more void enemies wandering around, now?).</p><p>And.. incidentally.. there HAD to have been SOME Vah Shir that were on Norrath before Luclin went boom.. No reason why we can't find "Luclin's Haven" as a piece of the moon falling to Norrath (or ported there by her Goddess'ness).</p><p>And Yes, SOE story writers, you can copy that. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p><p>(I'm still amused every time I go into the Shard of Love and see Lanielle, there.)</p>

[Wilde_Night]

<p>It was directed at me, first of all.  Second, I looked it up.  Wap is an english isles slang for breasts.  I don't think he meant that other word.  I thanked him for noticing in a PM.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[caminaara]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It was directed at me, first of all.  Second, I looked it up.  Wap is an english isles slang for breasts.  I don't think he meant that other word.  I thanked him for noticing in a PM.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>No, it's not.</p><p>Also, there's no such thing as the "English Isles", the British Isles however, do exist.</p><p>Regarding a "Moon" based expansion, while Luclin lies shattered in the sky, Drinal remains whole.  There's no reason whatsoever that an expansion based on Drinal couldn't be Luclin v.2....</p><p>Imacollata L'Haine.</p><p>Necromancer.</p><p><Liberation>RunnyEye Server.</p>

[Wilde_Night]

<p>Who turned on the touchy factor?  I apologize for using the incorrect terminology for the British Isles.</p><p><em>Wap</em></p><p><em>Noun.</em> 1. A wasp. Also <em>wappy</em>. 2. A woman's breast. Usually in plural.</p><p>Lore-wise, Drinal is more of a longshot in terms of allowing us to use the satellite the Norrathians named in his honor, being the god of death and all.  He is neutral like Luclin, so that is a plus.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>"Very few beings know of The Silver Reaper, associated with the gray moon seen from Norrath on all nights - Drinal.</p><p>This moon was named after the spirit deity of night, destruction, and death by a humanoid tribe of nomads before the era of great cities and civilizations. Drinal, although representing that which is dark, is a neutral deity who represents the necessary end of the cycle of life. He does not maintain his watch over death out of malevolence, but out of the necessity for it to occur in order to fulfill the cycle of life. His Lujien followers personify Drinal as an upright white wolf whose paws, tail, and maw are midnight black.</p><p>It is said that Drinal wields a silver sickle, the symbol of the crescent moon that is most sacred to Drinal and his bestial worshippers."</p>

[trovan2]

<p><cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I am not disputing the fact that a return to Luclin could be designed in such a way as to remain internally-consistent within the setting. I am simply making the point that if a writer seeks to explore certain areas in the future of their setting, they generally don't start off by making a huge deal about how that area has been totally obliterated. They intentionally decided to make the destruction of Luclin a major plot point in the story of EQ2. If they had wished to eventually return to Luclin in the game, it seems counter-productive to do this, because any return to Luclin will be extremely contrived at worst, and undermine the importance of The Shattering event at best. It would weaken the narrative and hurt the credibility of the setting. Since I actually do have some faith in the quality of the EQ2 storyline, I consider a return to Luclin to be a very remote possibility.</p></blockquote><p>Not exactly. The destruction of the area makes the readers think the return to the palce is near impossible, yet the eventual return to what is left (many years later) is a good way to fuel curiosity and adventure in the readers, since they get to explore the aftermath of such a historic event.</p><p>I mean come on ... we have the time-warping effects of the void ... maybe we somehow get to see the moon BEFORE the Shattering ... anything is possible.</p>

[Upir]

<p><cite>Aeviel@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It was directed at me, first of all.  Second, I looked it up.  Wap is an english isles slang for breasts.  I don't think he meant that other word.  I thanked him for noticing in a PM.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>It doesn't much matter what you looked up.  I don't know if "wap" is, in fact, a slang term for breasts, nor does it matter.  The fact that he/she pointed out the reference to Boondock Saints does mean they were talking about the Italian slur and just happened to misspell it.  Go watch the movie and see for yourself.</p>