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Crickett

03-03-2010, 09:56 PM

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>No spoilers other than yes or no to my question:I went to the PoTAO (tradeskill), did the daily, found no other NPC than the injured one to talk to to update the "crafters" in the POTA step. I have the mystic part to find (checked kerra isle first, now checking Qeynos)...am I supposed to go to the real PoTAO at such a low adventure level? I checked back at Mara NPC and she didn't help me.</blockquote>NOre-read your journal and chat, you are told where to find your Mystic, and/or what to do

Brigh

03-03-2010, 10:53 PM

<cite>Crickett wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>No spoilers other than yes or no to my question:I went to the PoTAO (tradeskill), did the daily, found no other NPC than the injured one to talk to to update the "crafters" in the POTA step. I have the mystic part to find (checked kerra isle first, now checking Qeynos)...am I supposed to go to the real PoTAO at such a low adventure level? I checked back at Mara NPC and she didn't help me.</blockquote>NOre-read your journal and chat, you are told where to find your Mystic, and/or what to do</blockquote>Uh that chat is long gone now.The journal only says about the Mara npc giving details, to check back daily...I went to her and she only gave me the Portal Repairs, which I did, and found only the injured raider to talk to. It also only tells me some crafters inside the palace might be able to tell me about the metal.Saying "a mystic" is very obscure.

CorpseGoddess

03-03-2010, 11:13 PM

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crickett wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>No spoilers other than yes or no to my question:I went to the PoTAO (tradeskill), did the daily, found no other NPC than the injured one to talk to to update the "crafters" in the POTA step. I have the mystic part to find (checked kerra isle first, now checking Qeynos)...am I supposed to go to the real PoTAO at such a low adventure level? I checked back at Mara NPC and she didn't help me.</blockquote>NOre-read your journal and chat, you are told where to find your Mystic, and/or what to do</blockquote>Uh that chat is long gone now.The journal only says about the Mara npc giving details, to check back daily...I went to her and she only gave me the Portal Repairs, which I did, and found only the injured raider to talk to. It also only tells me some crafters inside the palace might be able to tell me about the metal.Saying "a mystic" is very obscure.</blockquote>Go back and read over the quest steps in your journal. The hint for mystic is there.

Deveryn

03-03-2010, 11:15 PM

Brigh

03-03-2010, 11:24 PM

<cite>Deveryn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crickett wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>No spoilers other than yes or no to my question:I went to the PoTAO (tradeskill), did the daily, found no other NPC than the injured one to talk to to update the "crafters" in the POTA step. I have the mystic part to find (checked kerra isle first, now checking Qeynos)...am I supposed to go to the real PoTAO at such a low adventure level? I checked back at Mara NPC and she didn't help me.</blockquote>NOre-read your journal and chat, you are told where to find your Mystic, and/or what to do</blockquote>Uh that chat is long gone now.The journal only says about the Mara npc giving details, to check back daily...I went to her and she only gave me the Portal Repairs, which I did, and found only the injured raider to talk to. It also only tells me some crafters inside the palace might be able to tell me about the metal.Saying "a mystic" is very obscure.</blockquote>Where would you have met a mystic in SF?</blockquote>Like I said I already checked Kerra Isle. I guess the only other place may be Hua Mein.The check box for the mystic part is checked, so I assume it gets another update at that mystic.The other check box is not checked: "The crafters working in the Palace of the Ancient One might have advice about void effects on metal."What crafters? Where? I was already in the Portal Repairs instance, and I was already told that you don't go to the real Palace.

Deveryn

03-03-2010, 11:44 PM

The crafter there is the regular quest giver. He'll have another option, when you speak to him.

Brigh

03-04-2010, 01:15 AM

I was looking for a feather/book on the map that would be flashing but never saw it.

Anestacia

03-04-2010, 01:49 AM

Im 42k with the scholars and im 39k with Craftkeepers. I am a sage and hav enot recieved a mail. Im hoping when I hit 40k tonight with Craftkeepers in will send it.

Brigh

03-04-2010, 02:49 AM

<cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Im 42k with the scholars and im 39k with Craftkeepers. I am a sage and hav enot recieved a mail. Im hoping when I hit 40k tonight with Craftkeepers in will send it.</blockquote>as it has already been said, faction has nothing to do with it.I am not 40k, only 32k or so, and that is after doing today's daily, before noticing I had mail. I don't know when the mail was sent.

Brigh

03-04-2010, 03:36 AM

<cite>Deveryn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The crafter there is the regular quest giver. He'll have another option, when you speak to him.</blockquote>Wait a minute. Are you talking about the gnome in the Portal Repairs mission that is hammering on the repair bot?He doesn't say anything else. I tried. Neither does the other one.I went back to Kerra isle and see no feathers or books.I am still stuck on, "what mystic" and "what crafters", and "where".

Brigh

03-04-2010, 07:15 AM

bleh still no one to give an answer...There are no real "hints" in the journal steps.My "crafter" part remains unchecked, and the injured raider suggesting a mystic is checked.

Whilhelmina

03-04-2010, 07:31 AM

You need to take the void mission in Mara to go to POTAO (tradeskill) to speak to the gnome and a raider, then it's Kerran Isle, the mystic you spoke to for the Hua Mein quest.

Brigh

03-04-2010, 07:38 AM

<cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>You need to take the void mission in Mara to go to POTAO (tradeskill) to speak to the gnome and a raider, then it's Kerran Isle, the mystic you spoke to for the Hua Mein quest.</blockquote>As I said in earlier replies, I already did the mission, and no one in there besides the raider had anything new to say to me.The raider had a book, but both gnomes had nothing new to say. I got the mission, did it, hailed him again and the other gnome just in case, and got nothing. Now I guess there is no way to get back in there until Portal Repairs is given out again...randomly. What would be the point though if there is nothing new to say to me?

Whilhelmina

03-04-2010, 07:42 AM

The gnome giving the repeatable quest should have a second dialog option

Alienor

03-04-2010, 09:37 AM

I have still no idea what triggers the mail to start the quest. Most say, it is not faction related, but I have completed the SF TS questline more than a week before.

EQ2Magroo

03-04-2010, 09:50 AM

<cite>Alienor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have still no idea what triggers the mail to start the quest. Most say, it is not faction related, but I have completed the SF TS questline more than a week before.</blockquote>1. It's nothing to do with faction.2. The mail is sent *two* weeks since you complete the Quel'Ule quests.

EQ2Magroo

03-04-2010, 10:07 AM

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>As I said in earlier replies, I already did the mission, and no one in there besides the raider had anything new to say to me.The raider had a book, but both gnomes had nothing new to say. I got the mission, did it, hailed him again and the other gnome just in case, and got nothing. Now I guess there is no way to get back in there until Portal Repairs is given out again...randomly. What would be the point though if there is nothing new to say to me?</blockquote>Portal repairs isn't given out randomly. The quests are on a strict daily rotation and there are 4 different ones in total. So if it was given out on Wednesday, you have to wait until Sunday to get Portal Repairs again.I had to hail the raider on the floor, then speak to the gnome, which then directed me back to the mystic (I think??). It sounds like you just need to go speak to the mystic.Perhaps your quest didn't update on the gnome because you had a completed Portal Repairs instance before you zoned in originally ? In which case you should be OK when you zone in again on Sunday.Just count yourself lucky you didn't pick this quest up today as you would have missed the chance to get Portal Repairs - I'm amazed people aren't complaining more about this (and I must admit I don't like this new "you sit down and start singing about gold" trend in the TS quests) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Brigh

03-04-2010, 10:46 AM

<cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>As I said in earlier replies, I already did the mission, and no one in there besides the raider had anything new to say to me.The raider had a book, but both gnomes had nothing new to say. I got the mission, did it, hailed him again and the other gnome just in case, and got nothing. Now I guess there is no way to get back in there until Portal Repairs is given out again...randomly. What would be the point though if there is nothing new to say to me?</blockquote>Portal repairs isn't given out randomly. The quests are on a strict daily rotation and there are 4 different ones in total. So if it was given out on Wednesday, you have to wait until Sunday to get Portal Repairs again.I had to hail the raider on the floor, then speak to the gnome, which then directed me back to the mystic (I think??). It sounds like you just need to go speak to the mystic.Perhaps your quest didn't update on the gnome because you had a completed Portal Repairs instance before you zoned in originally ? In which case you should be OK when you zone in again on Sunday.Just count yourself lucky you didn't pick this quest up today as you would have missed the chance to get Portal Repairs - I'm amazed people aren't complaining more about this (and I must admit I don't like this new "you sit down and start singing about gold" trend in the TS quests) <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I didn't have any missions in my journal.I think it is bugged. The gnome never gave me anything different than Portal Repairs dialogue. I made sure after the mission was done to hail all three NPCs in the zone.I was hoping to work on this all evening but that was a waste.

shadowscale

03-04-2010, 03:58 PM

<cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alienor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have still no idea what triggers the mail to start the quest. Most say, it is not faction related, but I have completed the SF TS questline more than a week before.</blockquote>1. It's nothing to do with faction.2. The mail is sent *two* weeks since you complete the Quel'Ule quests.</blockquote>is it confermed to have a level requirement? its been over two weeks and i have not recived the mail.if the item is level 85, and an exp gain focus, dosent make much sence to have to wait till 89.

Deveryn

03-04-2010, 04:03 PM

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Adeyia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alienor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have still no idea what triggers the mail to start the quest. Most say, it is not faction related, but I have completed the SF TS questline more than a week before.</blockquote>1. It's nothing to do with faction.2. The mail is sent *two* weeks since you complete the Quel'Ule quests.</blockquote>is it confermed to have a level requirement? its been over two weeks and i have not recived the mail.if the item is level 85, and an exp gain focus, dosent make much sence to have to wait till 89.</blockquote>What level are you? Maybe we can narrow down a number.As for the exp gain, it's only 1%. It's really not worth fussing over because the evac is a much bigger deal.

shadowscale

03-04-2010, 04:07 PM

am 85.and i supose... just why have the exp gain at all if wont do any good anymore. progress and/or durability would make more sence.

Brigh

03-04-2010, 04:17 PM

Use the spoon for exp gain.

NiamiDenMother

03-04-2010, 05:06 PM

For those who want pictures, quest dialog, etc, <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=q87&menustr=060000000000" target="_blank">Mysteran has put together a writeup</a>. He also mentioned that the email ended up in an odd spot in his mail listing (listed as only having 15 days left). This makes it sound like the mail may be triggered the moment that you finish the final Quel'ule quest, then sit in limbo for 14 days before it is delivered to you. So, if you're a mail packrat, go back and check through pages 2 & 3 of your mail to see if it is back there.

shadowscale

03-04-2010, 07:05 PM

is there a level requirement or just need to wait?

Domino

03-04-2010, 07:28 PM

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>I didn't have any missions in my journal.I think it is bugged. The gnome never gave me anything different than Portal Repairs dialogue. I made sure after the mission was done to hail all three NPCs in the zone.I was hoping to work on this all evening but that was a waste.</blockquote>It is not bugged, although if you accept the gnome foreman's quest to repair the portal you'll have to turn that in (or delete it) before he'll focus on other topics. When Tomkin says "quick quick, no time to waste! Scrounge up some supplies and get to work" etc, you can ask him about the item. <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=q87&menustr=060000000000" target="_blank">EQ2Traders</a> has a very good write up already if you want spoilers, although I tried to make every step very clear.

Brigh

03-04-2010, 08:43 PM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>I didn't have any missions in my journal.I think it is bugged. The gnome never gave me anything different than Portal Repairs dialogue. I made sure after the mission was done to hail all three NPCs in the zone.I was hoping to work on this all evening but that was a waste.</blockquote>It is not bugged, although if you accept the gnome foreman's quest to repair the portal you'll have to turn that in (or delete it) before he'll focus on other topics. When Tomkin says "quick quick, no time to waste! Scrounge up some supplies and get to work" etc, you can ask him about the item. <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=q87&menustr=060000000000" target="_blank">EQ2Traders</a> has a very good write up already if you want spoilers, although I tried to make every step very clear.</blockquote>As I have said multiple times in this thread, I hailed him multiple times before/during/after having Portal Repairs. He never had a quest dialog. I suppose I am screwed til Sunday as a previous poster said, since there is no way back inside, unlike the other zones you can get to.

shadowscale

03-05-2010, 12:15 AM

ah got the mail, finaly. but now im stuck waiting till the next time portal repairs is offired...rather annoying really...

Troubor

03-05-2010, 04:28 AM

<cite>NiamiDenMother wrote:</cite><blockquote>For those who want pictures, quest dialog, etc, <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=q87&menustr=060000000000" target="_blank">Mysteran has put together a writeup</a>. He also mentioned that the email ended up in an odd spot in his mail listing (listed as only having 15 days left). This makes it sound like the mail may be triggered the moment that you finish the final Quel'ule quest, then sit in limbo for 14 days before it is delivered to you. So, if you're a mail packrat, go back and check through pages 2 & 3 of your mail to see if it is back there.</blockquote>Ugh, I may have deleted the quest starter without knowing it then.March 1st, my Norrath mailbox was slightly bugged, so I did /clear_mailbox to see if it would fix it. It didn't, but the March 2nd hotfix did fix it. If the mail "exists" but is invisible until the 14th day then I may have deleted the quest starter.For the record, I am only an 88th weaponsmith as of today, but unless it shows up in the next 35 minutes I didn't get the quest on my 14th day if I did the math right. I also have been semi-lazy on craftkeepers as of this moment is at 30.5k, next best is Kerra Isle crafters at 26.5k. Having said that I have seen the posts that say people don't think faction is an issue, but less sure on level.I'm going to take the liberty of also starting a second thread here on this topic. I haven't yet done /bug or /petition but will do so if advised to do so.ADDENDUM: I did just grind to 89th weaponsmith. I was 88th the night of the 4th, the original date of my post. Very early (right after midnight) morning of the 5th I made 89th. I also did originally have 87th down but I was 88th for the whole day of the 4th, I made that level late night of the 3rd, 87th was a mistake.FINAL EDIT: This issue is solved, my thanks to Domino. I posted a second thread on this, she posted what to do if one did do a /clear_mailbox between the 14 day period.To quote her reply to my other thread:"Fear not, I thought of this! (QA has trained me well, or keeps trying anyway. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /> )If you used the clear mailbox command between finishing the last Quel'ule quest and when the mail should have been delivered, you DID delete the quest starter mail. However, once the 2 week timer expires, you can go talk to Tahar again, and he'll ask you if you received his mail. At that point you can say no, and he'll resend it (without the 2 week wait). So, when you're sure the 2 weeks has elapsed, go see what Tahar has to say."Anyway, again my thanks to her.

Rainmare

03-06-2010, 04:26 PM

yeah it is annoying to get this quest, run to mara, adn find that I gotta wait/check in daily to see if I can get the PoTAO tradeskill instance.

denmom

03-06-2010, 07:54 PM

Omg quests blocks SUCK!Pheep got hers last night, and now I'm stuck waiting for the PotA to come up in rotation.Yeah, much cursing ensued...is there a reason for this block in the quest? Besides making crafters wait if they're not lucky enough to get their item in the mail on the day that PotA is in rotation?Also I had no mail notification at all when I received this. I was watching for the mail notify, the little letter that appears in your effects, nothing. I found it by accident when I mailed something to a friend last night, the letter was sitting there.Bleh, really trying to not be too negative in this, I was just excited to get the item and run the quest and when I hit that block of the ts instance, that just killed the enthusiasm.I have three other toons that have run the SF questline so far, I have four more to run thru the questline. Seven crafters in all that will be "hurry up and wait" because of the blocking due to waiting for the correct instance to come into rotation.And I was so looking forward to running this quest.

denmom

03-06-2010, 08:05 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>yeah it is annoying to get this quest, run to mara, adn find that I gotta wait/check in daily to see if I can get the PoTAO tradeskill instance.</blockquote>You don't see adventurers get nailed with such a block when they need an instance for their quests.

Deveryn

03-06-2010, 08:21 PM

<cite>Pheep@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>yeah it is annoying to get this quest, run to mara, adn find that I gotta wait/check in daily to see if I can get the PoTAO tradeskill instance.</blockquote>You don't see adventurers get nailed with such a block when they need an instance for their quests.</blockquote>Ever hear of instance timers? No blocks for adventurers? That's a good one. Can you take me to Najena's Hollow Tower and get me a ring of readiness? After that we can swing by VS and grab me a Fabled Altar of Bertoxxulous.

CorpseGoddess

03-06-2010, 08:24 PM

This is basically spawn camping for crafters. Welcome! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />

denmom

03-06-2010, 08:26 PM

<cite>Deveryn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pheep@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>yeah it is annoying to get this quest, run to mara, adn find that I gotta wait/check in daily to see if I can get the PoTAO tradeskill instance.</blockquote>You don't see adventurers get nailed with such a block when they need an instance for their quests.</blockquote>No blocks for adventurers? That's a good one. Can you take me to Najena's Hollow Tower and get me a ring of readiness? After that we can swing by VS and grab me a Fabled Altar of Bertoxxulous.</blockquote>That's different. That's a chest drop, RNG dependent on whether or not you get an exquisite chest. And is not part of a questline. Random chance.But crafters are blocked from getting into the PotA tradeskill instance if it's not available the day they receive their quest starter. They are blocked for one to four days until it is available.Any time you want to go into Najena's Hollow, you can go in. You aren't blocked for one to four days, the instance is always there, ready to go.And since you edited your reply...My point is that the instances are always there, ready to go into. Adventurers do not have to wait for an instance rotation. You don't have to wait for a TSO instance to come up in rotation, or the new SF instances. They're always up, always ready to go into. For this quest, the crafters have to wait for their instance to come up in rotation.

Deveryn

03-06-2010, 08:50 PM

<cite>Pheep@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deveryn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pheep@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>yeah it is annoying to get this quest, run to mara, adn find that I gotta wait/check in daily to see if I can get the PoTAO tradeskill instance.</blockquote>You don't see adventurers get nailed with such a block when they need an instance for their quests.</blockquote>No blocks for adventurers? That's a good one. Can you take me to Najena's Hollow Tower and get me a ring of readiness? After that we can swing by VS and grab me a Fabled Altar of Bertoxxulous.</blockquote>That's different. That's a chest drop, RNG dependent on whether or not you get an exquisite chest. And is not part of a questline. Random chance.But crafters are blocked from getting into the PotA tradeskill instance if it's not available the day they receive their quest starter. They are blocked for one to four days until it is available.Any time you want to go into Najena's Hollow, you can go in. You aren't blocked for one to four days, the instance is always there, ready to go.And since you edited your reply...My point is that the instances are always there, ready to go into. Adventurers do not have to wait for an instance rotation. You don't have to wait for a TSO instance to come up in rotation, or the new SF instances. They're always up, always ready to go into. For this quests, the crafters have to wait for their instance to come up in rotation.</blockquote>Adventurers do have to wait for instances to open. They also have to wait for people capable of handling said instance. My point is about time spent trying to achieve a goal. In less than 4 days, you are guaranteed that reward. You don't really find that kind of guarantee on a quality item that you will never get rid of, when you adventure. 4 days is nothing. That day is almost here, too. It's tomorrow.

denmom

03-06-2010, 08:59 PM

Look Dev, sorry for being grouchy, I'm just annoyed at this block to the quest.Get all excited to run it only to slam into a wall of up to four days before it can be continued.I'm just annoyed...and looking at the fact I have three others waiting for their item and four more that I haven't run the SF questline on yet.Meh, I'm going to go kill things...

Bremer

03-07-2010, 10:47 AM

Finished the quest yesterday. Looks nice, but I'm disappointed about the quality of the item. I'll never wear the item except for the evac. I have the rolling pin from the tradeskill missions with +3 xp and +10 success chance, I'd never give it up for +1 xp and an evac. I think the reward should be at least as good as the rolling pin, so giving +3 xp, +10 success and the evac. Or make the rolling pin dual wield like the signature reward or a one hand weapon, so you can wear both at the same time. (And I think the quest starter should be removed from the inventory when completing the quest.)

Striking2

03-07-2010, 04:37 PM

Something seems to be bugged with this letter. I received it this morning on one character but not for another who I am 100% sure did the quests before the one that did get it. Speaking with the Quel'el quest guy he says he will contact me when he has more for me to do so apparantly he has not sent the letter yet. So I tried /clear_mail but the notice said 11 messages were deleted when I had only 8 total including 3 in spam. So something seems bugged.

Maroger

03-07-2010, 05:07 PM

<cite>Bremer wrote:</cite><blockquote>Finished the quest yesterday. Looks nice, but I'm disappointed about the quality of the item. I'll never wear the item except for the evac. I have the rolling pin from the tradeskill missions with +3 xp and +10 success chance, I'd never give it up for +1 xp and an evac. I think the reward should be at least as good as the rolling pin, so giving +3 xp, +10 success and the evac. Or make the rolling pin dual wield like the signature reward or a one hand weapon, so you can wear both at the same time. (And I think the quest starter should be removed from the inventory when completing the quest.)</blockquote>I just got mine today too and I will only use it for the EVAC. what is not clear is if you must equip to use evac or can you use from the hotbar?I am a sage and the scroll has really crummy stats on it which makes it not worth equipping.

Xalmat

03-07-2010, 05:45 PM

You must equip it for the evac. It's easy enough to macro in though.

Eyema

03-08-2010, 06:12 AM

im a complete dunce and posted to the wrong thread <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i think ill get a better answer in this one. was just wondering if someone can confirm that its the Que'ele faction quests that trigger this. Honestly that doesnt even make sense to me. Since that faction is only a scholar faction. And doing the quests are not required for the other professions. And it cant be a timeline deal, since you are not required to do the Kerra Outfitters or Hua Mein Craftsman faction to do the Que'ele. All thats required is the Craftkeepers quest line, then they send you there. Also for some that are posting they have it on one toon and not on others, could this be the problem? That it is related to your own profressions faction? This would not only make more sense, but would be way more convenient, since i have all nine profession, i was planning to only focus on the applicable factions to reach the recipes. Please clarify.

denmom

03-08-2010, 06:28 AM

<cite>Eyema@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>im a complete dunce and posted to the wrong thread <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> i think ill get a better answer in this one. was just wondering if someone can confirm that its the Que'ele faction quests that trigger this. Honestly that doesnt even make sense to me. Since that faction is only a scholar faction. And doing the quests are not required for the other professions. And it cant be a timeline deal, since you are not required to do the Kerra Outfitters or Hua Mein Craftsman faction to do the Que'ele. All thats required is the Craftkeepers quest line, then they send you there. Also for some that are posting they have it on one toon and not on others, could this be the problem? That it is related to your own profressions faction? This would not only make more sense, but would be way more convenient, since i have all nine profession, i was planning to only focus on the applicable factions to reach the recipes. Please clarify.</blockquote>Tahar is the last questgiver for the crafting questline, the one in Quel'Ule. When you're done with him, he makes a comment that if anything else comes up he'll let you know.2 weeks later after you do that final quest is when you get the letter from Tahar where he sends you the relic. I counted back on my Alchemist when she received hers and it was two weeks later from the date that last quest was finished.I did have Kerran at 43k and Hua Mein at 50k when I received it, but I don't think that has anything to do with it.

Te'ana

03-08-2010, 12:29 PM

The mail does not seem to show up automatically after two weeks. My jeweler finished Stabilizing the Fields* on 2/22/2010 and has not recieved the mail. He is now 13% away from level 90 and has 27,000 faction with the Researchers of Quel'ule, 14,000 with Hua Mein Craftsmen, and 18,500 with the City of Paineel, 16,500 with Kera Isle Outfitters, and 20,500 with the Craftkeepers.*Edited to show the right quest as being completed.

Wingrider01

03-08-2010, 01:35 PM

<cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>The mail does not seem to show up automatically after two weeks. My jeweler finished Words of Warning on 2/22/2010 and has not recieved the mail. He is now 13% away from level 90 and has 27,000 faction with the Researchers of Quel'ule, 14,000 with Hua Mein Craftsmen, and 18,500 with the City of Paineel, 16,500 with Kera Isle Outfitters, and 20,500 with the Craftkeepers.</blockquote>it came exactly 2 weeks after I finished the quest <a title="Researching Quel'ule: Stabilizing the Fields" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Interstitial&u=%2Fwiki%2FResearching_Quel%2527ule%3A_Stabilizin g_the_Fields">Researching Quel'ule: Stabilizing the Fields</a>Finished the above quest on 02/21/2010 and the quest showed up on 03/07/2010 in my maiilbox. What is the date of the above quest completetion on this one? the next quest in line after this one is the Shadows of the Betrayed for the item

Te'ana

03-08-2010, 01:43 PM

Sorry for the confusion, I edited my post to show the correct end quest being completed on 2/22/2010. Maybe it has to be exactly to the hour of quest completion. I don't remember exactly what time I finished this as I ran several toons through that day, but my jeweler was the first one.

Cynith

03-08-2010, 02:31 PM

Be sure to check your mail box a page or two in if you have other things - the mail showed up on my third page as if I had recieved it on the day it was triggered - it just sits in limbo until it's ready to show in your box. Like you said though it may be down to the hour that you completed as well, I didn't check that when I got mine - also, I did not get an icon that showed that I had unread mail on one of my crafters.

Wingrider01

03-08-2010, 02:51 PM

<cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sorry for the confusion, I edited my post to show the correct end quest being completed on 2/22/2010. Maybe it has to be exactly to the hour of quest completion. I don't remember exactly what time I finished this as I ran several toons through that day, but my jeweler was the first one.</blockquote>got mine early evening so it maybe time of completion dependant

Te'ana

03-08-2010, 03:13 PM

Thanks for the replies. I won't worry then until tomorrow if it doesn't arrive today.

Eyema

03-08-2010, 05:45 PM

ok thanks for the replys. so what youre saying is basically i can skip all of the Kerra Isle and Hua Mein and just knock off the Qeu'ele once im sent there from the Craftkeepers. Thats gonna save some time as i have to work my tradeskilling inbetween raids. On a side note though, i still think it was a bad call to make it dependant on one faction, when the factions were clearly designed for individual professions. It would have been much more fun for Scholars to need to complete the scholar quests, but Outfitters to do the Kerra, and craftsman to do the Hua Mein. but maybe thats just my logic talking again <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Cynith

03-08-2010, 06:33 PM

<cite>Eyema@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok thanks for the replys. so what youre saying is basically i can skip all of the Kerra Isle and Hua Mein and just knock off the Qeu'ele once im sent there from the Craftkeepers. Thats gonna save some time as i have to work my tradeskilling inbetween raids. On a side note though, i still think it was a bad call to make it dependant on one faction, when the factions were clearly designed for individual professions. It would have been much more fun for Scholars to need to complete the scholar quests, but Outfitters to do the Kerra, and craftsman to do the Hua Mein. but maybe thats just my logic talking again <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I agree with you to a point - however the quest is not based on faction and doesn't involve any of the daily faction building quests - it sort of follows a quest/story progression and makes sense that the Erudites would find this relic that sets off the chain of events leading up to your reward. The Kerra and the Pandas clearly have other things on their mind <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Transen

03-11-2010, 12:45 PM

Edit:Nevermind...I made 3 items in the void instance, turned it in and afterwords, got the book above his head and the dialogue option.

Deveryn

03-11-2010, 05:13 PM

BTW, you can convert your reward to a house item and buy a new one off the Shady Swashbuckler. He also sells the damaged relic.

denmom

03-11-2010, 06:35 PM

<cite>Transen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Edit:Nevermind...I made 3 items in the void instance, turned it in and afterwords, got the book above his head and the dialogue option.</blockquote>You had to make items?I had the book for him and the downed mystic soon as I zoned in.That sounds like a bug.

Siwen

03-17-2010, 01:30 PM

Quest seems bugged now though. I went to palace, got my updates from in there. Go see Natasha. I hail Natasha and all I get is:"The spirits tell me that you seek the aid of a mystic. Before I will aid you, however, show your good will by aiding my people first."?????? No conversation, no teleport. Nada. I finished all but the ts quests on Kerra isle. Is high faction with Kerran traders required, 'cause the write up on both Zam and EQ2i says nothing about it??Either way, it is not the first quest that has bugged out for me over the past couple days.

Rijacki

03-17-2010, 01:36 PM

<cite>Siwen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quest seems bugged now though. I went to palace, got my updates from in there. Go see Natasha. I hail Natasha and all I get is:"The spirits tell me that you seek the aid of a mystic. Before I will aid you, however, show your good will by aiding my people first."?????? No conversation, no teleport. Nada. I finished all but the ts quests on Kerra isle. Is high faction with Kerran traders required, 'cause the write up on both Zam and EQ2i says nothing about it??Either way, it is not the first quest that has bugged out for me over the past couple days.</blockquote>Those who did the write up might have been above the threshold for that faction and so never even knew there might be a faction requirement.What is your Kerra Outfitter faction and your Kerra faction?

Siwen

03-17-2010, 01:38 PM

It's only 500 since I am a sage and dont need stuff from the outfitters. Oh well /delete quest.

Rijacki

03-17-2010, 01:41 PM

<cite>Siwen wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's only 500 since I am a sage and dont need stuff from the outfitters. Oh well /delete quest.</blockquote>If your Kerra Outfitter is only 500, you didn't do all the Kerra TS quests, not even close. Before starting the dailies, after finishing all the Kerra Outfitter questline, you should be 2 dailies away from 20K (i.e. around 17,500, I think).I wouldn't be surprised at all if the faction reqired for Kerra Outfitters is 20K, i.e. an expectation you completed the SF tradeskill questlines and did at least a couple of the dailies (which give TS XP and AA XP as well as faction).

Siwen

03-17-2010, 01:56 PM

Ya, but my ts is 90, so didn't really see any point to grind all the different factions - especially not when I don't need the books. I might do it when they raise the lvl cap again - right now I really don't feel like grinding worthless factions for a bit of aa to finish off a signature quest that'll only give me a second evac. Unless I get very bored some day <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

EQ2Magroo

03-17-2010, 02:36 PM

<cite>Siwen wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's only 500 since I am a sage and dont need stuff from the outfitters. Oh well /delete quest.</blockquote>Oh come on, leave the drama out of it, it nearly takes you longer to post here than it does to run through the basic Kerra Isle TS quests.As you currently can't get the quest due to faction, how about doing the Kerra Isle quests and checking after each one to see what the faction requirement actually is and post the results on here/ZAM/Wiki ? Maybe help those out who might be suffering a similar problem to you ?Just a thought.

Siwen

03-17-2010, 02:39 PM

No drama intended but I am not so hooked on ts'ing that I find grinding ts faction fun.

Sorvani

03-17-2010, 03:39 PM

<cite>Siwen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No drama intended but I am not so hooked on ts'ing that I find grinding ts faction fun.</blockquote>But you find grinding form 80 to 90 without the benefit of quest XP "easier" ??? Did you grind to 90 without even looking at Paineel? Woohoo level cap up'd!! burn the vitality and potions!!I'm a sage too and know how easy it is to level a sage, but even I hit Paineel on launch day just to see what it was like.And wham before you get to the spires, there is your quest giver. Following the quests barely took any time and honestly, to NOT have completed the Kerra line you had to intentionally ignore quests offered to you.These quests would have given you an easy level and a half or even two depending on if you did them at 80 or waited a bit.(edited because you replied while i was.)

Rijacki

03-17-2010, 04:08 PM

<cite>Siwen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ya, but my ts is 90, so didn't really see any point to grind all the different factions - especially not when I don't need the books. I might do it when they raise the lvl cap again - right now I really don't feel like grinding worthless factions for a bit of aa to finish off a signature quest that'll only give me a second evac. Unless I get very bored some day <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>If you also adventure on that character, you should note that not only do you get some of the adventure faction with each of the SF TS quests, you also get AA XP for completing a mission. They're worth a lot more than just tradeskill XP.But, yes, the signature quest IS completely optional. You could always do it at the next level raise.Oh.. and completing the signature quest does give status (and guild status) if you want/need that.

Domino

03-18-2010, 02:22 AM

<cite>Siwen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No drama intended but I am not so hooked on ts'ing that I find grinding ts faction fun.</blockquote>You don't need to "grind" any faction at all, you only need to do the basic Kerra Isle quest line up to the point that you would normally have been introduced to Natasha. However, if you'd rather not do that, that is, as always, your personal choice.

Arlian

03-18-2010, 04:54 AM

Any way to get a symbol version of the quest reward for appearance? I'd love to have my epic in my primary and my sage scroll in secondary, but as a caster this is impossible.

miragian

03-18-2010, 10:10 AM

Sorvani

03-18-2010, 10:31 AM

<cite>Arlian@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any way to get a symbol version of the quest reward for appearance? I'd love to have my epic in my primary and my sage scroll in secondary, but as a caster this is impossible.</blockquote>i sent in a /feedback on that.why can't i put my scroll in the appearance primary slot! i mean it is useless for anything else since you don't get it till 85 and has only 1xp compared to the spoon which is 3xp and +10% (i think) success chance.Yeah i use the evac once a day when i am doing the panda faction, but that is it. maybe an odd use if i go out and work an adv quest and want a quick pop back to zone instead of calling for some reason.

Anestacia

03-18-2010, 01:21 PM

<cite>miragian wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arlian@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any way to get a symbol version of the quest reward for appearance? I'd love to have my epic in my primary and my sage scroll in secondary, but as a caster this is impossible.</blockquote>I'd second this, I did this on a maniquine for a display that our raid force put together, was a little sad I can't have his epic in one hand and the scroll in the other. Even if it's just an apperance off hand equipable.</blockquote>Third! I love the new look but being a mage or caster you have to choose between your adventuring epic and crafting "epic" to display and I would really like that option! so consider this my /feedback for making a symbol version!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Chalulla

03-18-2010, 01:30 PM

I am not having any luck finding the Mara Daily mission rotation. Can someone direct me to where I can find it or list it here please. I would like to know when the Portal Repairs mission is up again. =) Thanks.

Calthine

03-18-2010, 01:34 PM

Every 4th day. By my count it's up tomorrow.

Cynith

03-18-2010, 01:36 PM

Oh yay thanks for the info Calthine - just got my mail on two crafters yesterday - I know what I'll be doing tomorrow!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Mulethree

03-20-2010, 02:26 AM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Siwen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No drama intended but I am not so hooked on ts'ing that I find grinding ts faction fun.</blockquote>You don't need to "grind" any faction at all, you only need to do the basic Kerra Isle quest line up to the point that you would normally have been introduced to Natasha. However, if you'd rather not do that, that is, as always, your personal choice.</blockquote>Thanks I didn't do any kerra tradeskill stuff either, i'm a jeweler and don't see ever needing that faction. So when Natasha didn't have a feather I was ready to petition it. Glad I found it here - much faster than waiting for a petition. She says aid my people first, but I have 42,000 Kerra Isle faction, I didn't even think of the Kerra Island Outfitters which is only 500.Edit :Spoke too soon! so I did the quests from Chinook and I get to the quest where they send me to Natasha.Outfitting the Kerra: A Strange Spirit ... "Speak to Natasha, the mystic who made contact with the strange spirit". She has no quest kite, and says only 'the spirits tell me you seek the aid of a mystic. Before I will Aid you, however, show your goodwill by aiding my people first." Chinook gave me a recipe for a Kerra Spirit Totem - which says its required by the quest. But his dialog says nothing about the recipe or a totem. Still I tried scribing it and making a totem. Natasha still has no kite and won't talk to me. The totem is a house item, so I can't 'use' it. I figured maybe if Its a faction level requirement (I have +3500 with kerra island outfitters and 49,300 with Kerra Isle), then I could raise the faction another way and she might start talking. But the only way I've found is daily quests from Harriet<kerra outfitter> - but Harriet won't talk to me either.So : to summarize - I did Shadows of the Betrayed up til I needed Natasha, she seems to want more faction. So I did the Kerra Outfitters quests up to where I need Natasha - but she's unresponsive.

Caoilfhionn

03-20-2010, 10:09 AM

<cite>Mulethree wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thanks I didn't do any kerra tradeskill stuff either, i'm a jeweler and don't see ever needing that faction. So when Natasha didn't have a feather I was ready to petition it. Glad I found it here - much faster than waiting for a petition. She says aid my people first, but I have 42,000 Kerra Isle faction, I didn't even think of the Kerra Island Outfitters which is only 500.Edit :Spoke too soon! so I did the quests from Chinook and I get to the quest where they send me to Natasha.Outfitting the Kerra: A Strange Spirit ... "Speak to Natasha, the mystic who made contact with the strange spirit". She has no quest kite, and says only 'the spirits tell me you seek the aid of a mystic. Before I will Aid you, however, show your goodwill by aiding my people first." Chinook gave me a recipe for a Kerra Spirit Totem - which says its required by the quest. But his dialog says nothing about the recipe or a totem. Still I tried scribing it and making a totem. Natasha still has no kite and won't talk to me. The totem is a house item, so I can't 'use' it. I figured maybe if Its a faction level requirement (I have +3500 with kerra island outfitters and 49,300 with Kerra Isle), then I could raise the faction another way and she might start talking. But the only way I've found is daily quests from Harriet - but Harriet won't talk to me either.So : to summarize - I did Shadows of the Betrayed up til I needed Natasha, she seems to want more faction. So I did the Kerra Outfitters quests up to where I need Natasha - but she's unresponsive.</blockquote>I am having exactly the same issue. Seems that if you didn't raise kerra ts faction before trying to speak to Natasha about the signature quest, you can't advance either questline with Natasha.

MrCartoon69

03-20-2010, 11:01 AM

I had exactly the same issue with both quests, i sent in a petition but didn't get a response yet. I finished this quest on 2 scholars before that didn't have any kerra faction at all, so it seems she is just bugged atm.

Mystfit

03-20-2010, 12:09 PM

I suspect they never intended for us to be able to branch off and get to Q without Kerra and Humain, (Most of mine did it all, but one skipped it, though she intends to go back) and mebbe something they tweaked just now kicked in. I imagine one could delete SofB and finish off the questline, though it would require waiting 4 mroe days (an in the case of my daughter I don't know to tell her if she jsut needs to do Kerra AND pandas or just get through Kerra. Not much of a crafter that girl, but she WANTS THAT SCROLL..tehehehee)

Domino

03-21-2010, 08:56 PM

Indeed, you were not supposed to skip the Kerra quests entirely and it was assumed that you would have already completed the base line kerra quests by the time you got the Quel'ule ones. A hotfix last week fixed it so that is now enforced - if you haven't finished the kerra quests yet then Natasha will tell you to before she helps you. However, since that change went in, it seems that if you ALREADY got the signature quest and is on the step to talk to Natasha, she is not updating either quest correctly.I will get this fixed up as soon as possible, however it will likely take at least a couple of days to change and test and patch in. If you can't wait, it would also work to delete the "Shadows of the Betrayed" quest, finish Natasha's last quest, and then re-examine the relic and start "Shadows of the Betrayed" again. The next time the void crafting instance is up this week should be Tuesday, and I can't guarantee the fix would be possible by then, so that is an option for the impatient.

Mystfit

03-21-2010, 09:16 PM

It gets wonky cause the Farseas Woman directs you to Kerra. But the Paineel person directs you to Que'le with some reports. So, it splits off from one questline to two at about the same time. If the Paineel person didn't offer her quest until after Kerra and Humaine were done, it would make it more linear I suppose, but then someone might miss the Que'le part as they wouldn't know to go back for it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Ah, the headaches ; I enjoyed the time away from the crafting tables so many of my schoalrs did Kerra and Humaine on their own, though my jewler was lazy and didn't <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> She promsies she will though!!!

Kinvore

03-22-2010, 05:03 PM

Domino, what is the effect "1 Tradeskill XP Gain" from the final reward supposed to do? I notice it overwrites my xp potions when I equip it and may even remove tradeskill vitality. A combine that I've made before gives .2% xp when equipping the item, I remove it and use potions and I'm up to .5% per combine. I've bugged this as well, just wanted to bring this to your attention. This is while using Illisia's Alchemy Flask.

Deveryn

03-22-2010, 05:08 PM

It's a 1% bonus. It will show wherever you might find any exp bonuses in effect. I don't recall where this is on the default ui, but on profit it shows when you mouseover near your status total.

Transen

03-23-2010, 04:28 AM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>The next time the void crafting instance is up this week should be Tuesday, and I can't guarantee the fix would be possible by then, so that is an option for the impatient.</blockquote>I'm assuming it doesn't adhere to Daylight Savings since it's after midnight pacific standard time and the clockwork quest is still being offered.

Zaldor

03-23-2010, 05:04 AM

<cite>Transen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>The next time the void crafting instance is up this week should be Tuesday, and I can't guarantee the fix would be possible by then, so that is an option for the impatient.</blockquote>I'm assuming it doesn't adhere to Daylight Savings since it's after midnight pacific standard time and the clockwork quest is still being offered.</blockquote>That would probably be correct since the daily TS quests in SF went from a 2:00 central reset time to 3:00.

Kinvore

03-23-2010, 10:31 AM

<cite>Deveryn wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's a 1% bonus. It will show wherever you might find any exp bonuses in effect. I don't recall where this is on the default ui, but on profit it shows when you mouseover near your status total.</blockquote>Then it's definitely broke as it overwrites xp potions and quite possibly tradeskill vitality. Don't use this item if you're crafting to level.

Whilhelmina

03-23-2010, 11:11 AM

I equiped the item, launched a potion, removed the item, put it back on and saw 56% instead of 55% so I think it's only a display bug.

Sorvani

03-23-2010, 11:28 AM

<cite>Pouncer@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deveryn wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's a 1% bonus. It will show wherever you might find any exp bonuses in effect. I don't recall where this is on the default ui, but on profit it shows when you mouseover near your status total.</blockquote>Then it's definitely broke as it overwrites xp potions and quite possibly tradeskill vitality. Don't use this item if you're crafting to level.</blockquote>Don't use it if you are crafting to level any way. I mean by level 85 have you not already gotten a Mixing Spoon or Rolling Pin? Those items provide +10% to Success chance AND +3% Tradeskill XP. Note: if you don't have one because you never did the Ship Out quest, you don't have to do that anymore to do the Mara daily quests.The effects on the signature weapons are a joke. The evac is nice, but it is supposed to be a SIGNATURE item, and we can not use it until level 85. What is the point of +1% XP gain at that level? At least give it a success chance to match the Mara gear. Then I will keep it equipped while I am crafting. Because of that, I only wear it when traveling, simply for the show value, because it is useless while crafting.

Briallen

03-23-2010, 04:48 PM

I see this mentioned yet no resolution. Found an odd bug in Palace TS instance. I completed this part on 4 toons already today but on one toon, I only get one book icon and thats from the injured one. I have deleted the portal repairs quest a few times rezoned in, reset timers, then deleted the whole shadows of betrayed quest and started over and on this one toon, the option for a book and to 'ask him a question' never appears. I did petition this as well.Had no problem with other toons today its very odd. (an no I didn't accept a quest from him that isn't even an option he doesnt' have a feather or book or nothing none of the times I have rezoned in)thanks

Tyrus Dracofire

03-23-2010, 08:40 PM

i just finished it today, got weaponsmith's "forged sword"

TuxDave

03-24-2010, 02:01 AM

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>Indeed, you were not supposed to skip the Kerra quests entirely and it was assumed that you would have already completed the base line kerra quests by the time you got the Quel'ule ones. A hotfix last week fixed it so that is now enforced - if you haven't finished the kerra quests yet then Natasha will tell you to before she helps you. However, since that change went in, it seems that if you ALREADY got the signature quest and is on the step to talk to Natasha, she is not updating either quest correctly.I will get this fixed up as soon as possible, however it will likely take at least a couple of days to change and test and patch in. If you can't wait, it would also work to delete the "Shadows of the Betrayed" quest, finish Natasha's last quest, and then re-examine the relic and start "Shadows of the Betrayed" again. The next time the void crafting instance is up this week should be Tuesday, and I can't guarantee the fix would be possible by then, so that is an option for the impatient.</blockquote>Thanks for the notice. I just hit the same bug since I went straight to Quel'ule and didn't get my Kerra faction up until I hit this wall. I guess I'll just hold onto this quest until the fix is in.

Qandor

03-24-2010, 03:18 AM

<cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote>The effects on the signature weapons are a joke. The evac is nice, but it is supposed to be a SIGNATURE item, and we can not use it until level 85. What is the point of +1% XP gain at that level? At least give it a success chance to match the Mara gear. Then I will keep it equipped while I am crafting. Because of that, I only wear it when traveling, simply for the show value, because it is useless while crafting.</blockquote>Ya, I kind of loled when I saw the 1%. Why bother really. If you were trying to level 10 levels that sucker could gain you a whole tenth of a level. Might save you a whole half dozen combines. whoopee. Big reward. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /> Oh wait, only useable at 85? Might save you 3 combines in a persons rush to 90. Are they sure that 1% might not be a bit overpowered?I suppose the esacpe is useful provided you are a class that doesn't already have escape such as an SK. For SK's its a total zero. Never could quite understand giving classes built in perk to everyone but hey I guess everything is up for grabs nowadays.

Transen

03-24-2010, 03:35 PM

Simply put, it's an appearance item with perks. I like them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />The crafting community has been asking for primary-slot crafting items that have a unique appearance based on that particular class. So we finally get them, and of course, someone still has to complain about it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" />

Sorvani

03-24-2010, 04:01 PM

Zehl_Ice-Fire

03-24-2010, 04:03 PM

<cite>Transen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Simply put, it's an appearance item with perks. I like them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />The crafting community has been asking for primary-slot crafting items that have a unique appearance based on that particular class. So we finally get them, and of course, someone still has to complain about it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>We have a right to complain, feedback is how things get improved! The evac is great for my mystic, the rest of my crafters all have some sort of their own, even if tinkered or totem. The item Looks cool/cute/whatever, but a Signature quest that is the big crafter finale for the expansion should have something more to it because as pointed out nearly everyone has the rolling pin or spoon which are 2h, so you can't even use these 1hers for appearnace items while you craft with the good ones!

Rijacki

03-24-2010, 04:09 PM

<cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Transen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Simply put, it's an appearance item with perks. I like them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />The crafting community has been asking for primary-slot crafting items that have a unique appearance based on that particular class. So we finally get them, and of course, someone still has to complain about it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Then let me put it in my appearance primary slot, not my primary slot where I have the spoon for the success chance.</blockquote>Umm.. you can. That's where my coercer's is with her enervated mythical in her primary slot. That's even where Rijacki's is with some wand in her primary.But... I think what you were trying to say is "let the evac work from the appearance slot" which would be incredibly handy.

Sorvani

03-24-2010, 04:47 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then let me put it in my appearance primary slot, not my primary slot where I have the spoon for the success chance.</blockquote>Umm.. you can. That's where my coercer's is with her enervated mythical in her primary slot. That's even where Rijacki's is with some wand in her primary.But... I think what you were trying to say is "let the evac work from the appearance slot" which would be incredibly handy.</blockquote>Actually, no I was not even insinuating that.Try it yourself. Equip spoon or rolling pin. Then put your item in the appearance slot. It will not display because "Appearance item in not visible because the required skill must match the skill of the equipped item."

Transen

03-25-2010, 03:28 PM

<cite>Briallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see this mentioned yet no resolution. Found an odd bug in Palace TS instance. I completed this part on 4 toons already today but on one toon, I only get one book icon and thats from the injured one. I have deleted the portal repairs quest a few times rezoned in, reset timers, then deleted the whole shadows of betrayed quest and started over and on this one toon, the option for a book and to 'ask him a question' never appears. I did petition this as well.Had no problem with other toons today its very odd. (an no I didn't accept a quest from him that isn't even an option he doesnt' have a feather or book or nothing none of the times I have rezoned in)thanks</blockquote>Progress through the gnomes quest and complete his mini-quest (think it's craft 3 items, then turn in). That should get the over-head book again. Just be sure to pick the new option of asking him about the relic.<cite>Zehl_Ice-Fire wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Transen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Simply put, it's an appearance item with perks. I like them. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />The crafting community has been asking for primary-slot crafting items that have a unique appearance based on that particular class. So we finally get them, and of course, someone still has to complain about it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>We have a right to complain, feedback is how things get improved! The evac is great for my mystic, the rest of my crafters all have some sort of their own, even if tinkered or totem. The item Looks cool/cute/whatever, but a Signature quest that is the big crafter finale for the expansion should have something more to it because as pointed out nearly everyone has the rolling pin or spoon which are 2h, so you can't even use these 1hers for appearnace items while you craft with the good ones!</blockquote>Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you absolutely must exercise it. You do have other means of giving feedback without coming off as whining.Anyways, the point I was getting at with my previously quoted statement wasn't that people shouldn't complain (when there's a genuine reason to) but that there will always be people who will complain no matter what you do..and after a while, that can really grate on someone's nerves.Now back to the matter at hand:Why not ask them to make those items you love to equip so much a 1-handed weapon? That way, everyone gets what they want.

Transen

03-27-2010, 05:28 PM

Just out of curiosity, once you've completed this quest, is it safe to destroy the "damaged relic" or would we want to hold onto it for something down the road?

Rijacki

03-27-2010, 08:45 PM

<cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then let me put it in my appearance primary slot, not my primary slot where I have the spoon for the success chance.</blockquote>Umm.. you can. That's where my coercer's is with her enervated mythical in her primary slot. That's even where Rijacki's is with some wand in her primary.But... I think what you were trying to say is "let the evac work from the appearance slot" which would be incredibly handy.</blockquote>Actually, no I was not even insinuating that.Try it yourself. Equip spoon or rolling pin. Then put your item in the appearance slot. It will not display because "Appearance item in not visible because the required skill must match the skill of the equipped item."</blockquote>Is the spoon or rolling pin a 2-hander? I don't have either, so I don't know. The Shadow of the Betrayed reward -does- show up with a 1-handed crushing item in the primary slot and the reward in the primary appearance.<img src="http://www.eq2alchemy.com/rijacki/rijacki_equipped.png" width="321" height="668" /> <img src="http://www.eq2alchemy.com/rijacki/SS/Rijacki_actualequipped.png" width="297" height="633" /><img src="http://www.eq2alchemy.com/rijacki/SS/rjack_equipped.png" /><img src="http://www.eq2alchemy.com/rijacki/SS/rjack_actualequipped.png" width="294" height="627" />

Sorvani

03-27-2010, 11:15 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then let me put it in my appearance primary slot, not my primary slot where I have the spoon for the success chance.</blockquote>Umm.. you can. That's where my coercer's is with her enervated mythical in her primary slot. That's even where Rijacki's is with some wand in her primary.But... I think what you were trying to say is "let the evac work from the appearance slot" which would be incredibly handy.</blockquote>Actually, no I was not even insinuating that.Try it yourself. Equip spoon or rolling pin. Then put your item in the appearance slot. It will not display because "Appearance item in not visible because the required skill must match the skill of the equipped item."</blockquote>Is the spoon or rolling pin a 2-hander? I don't have either, so I don't know. The Shadow of the Betrayed reward -does- show up with a 1-handed crushing item in the primary slot and the reward in the primary appearance.</blockquote>Both of them are 2H crushing. I understand the mechanics of why it will not show up in the appearance slot (and have posted in the items and equipment section about it), but that does not alter my statement about wanting it to show in appearance since it is such a poor choice of items to have in my primary slot.

Rijacki

03-28-2010, 12:54 AM

<cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then let me put it in my appearance primary slot, not my primary slot where I have the spoon for the success chance.</blockquote>Umm.. you can. That's where my coercer's is with her enervated mythical in her primary slot. That's even where Rijacki's is with some wand in her primary.But... I think what you were trying to say is "let the evac work from the appearance slot" which would be incredibly handy.</blockquote>Actually, no I was not even insinuating that.Try it yourself. Equip spoon or rolling pin. Then put your item in the appearance slot. It will not display because "Appearance item in not visible because the required skill must match the skill of the equipped item."</blockquote>Is the spoon or rolling pin a 2-hander? I don't have either, so I don't know. The Shadow of the Betrayed reward -does- show up with a 1-handed crushing item in the primary slot and the reward in the primary appearance.</blockquote>Both of them are 2H crushing. I understand the mechanics of why it will not show up in the appearance slot (and have posted in the items and equipment section about it), but that does not alter my statement about wanting it to show in appearance since it is such a poor choice of items to have in my primary slot.</blockquote>Equip a 1-hander in your primary slot. Equip the reward item in your appearance. It will show up. You can put it in your appearance slot as an appearance item if you are using an item of the same type.If you know that, then why are you claiming it doesn't work at all as an appearance item?It's not a problem with this reward item, it is the way the appearance weapons are set up. You can't have a 1-hander appearance while using a 2-hander. You can't have a 2-hander appearance while using a 1-hander. Until this reward item, there were some 2-hander staffs I would have loved to have as appearance items for my wizard, one even an SC item, but without using a 2-hander in the normal spot I couldn't. That isn't something broken on any of the items, appearance or not, it is the way the appearance weapons is set up.

Sorvani

03-28-2010, 12:47 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you know that, then why are you claiming it doesn't work at all as an appearance item?It's not a problem with this reward item, it is the way the appearance weapons are set up. You can't have a 1-hander appearance while using a 2-hander. You can't have a 2-hander appearance while using a 1-hander. Until this reward item, there were some 2-hander staffs I would have loved to have as appearance items for my wizard, one even an SC item, but without using a 2-hander in the normal spot I couldn't. That isn't something broken on any of the items, appearance or not, it is the way the appearance weapons is set up.</blockquote>I never stated it does not work at all. I stated I wanted it to be able to be an appearance slot workable with the spoon or rolling pin. To my knowledge there are no other primary slot items that give crafting benefits other than the Rolling Pin, Mixing Spoon, and SotB reward (+1% XP at level 85 is not much benefit, but that is in my item board post). SO with only 3 possible items to worry about, they could not make things work?I will not equip something else in my primary slot and lose +10% Success chance just to make this show up in appearance while CRAFTING. I am a crafter, why should I have anything that can detrimentally affect my crafting capabilities equipped? For maximum crafting benefit you want the smallest power pool with the highest power regen you can get.The point is that this is a reward for a CRAFTING quest line and it provides absolutely ZERO benefit for use during actual CRAFTING. If they are going to give us fancy looking crafter specific gear that is of no use during crafting, then they should at least make it useful as an appearance item.The only time I ever use the Artisan's Escape is while running the SF daily quests to save time. I could as easily attack a Hua Mein guard to get ported back to Paineel.

Rijacki

03-28-2010, 01:43 PM

<cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you know that, then why are you claiming it doesn't work at all as an appearance item?It's not a problem with this reward item, it is the way the appearance weapons are set up. You can't have a 1-hander appearance while using a 2-hander. You can't have a 2-hander appearance while using a 1-hander. Until this reward item, there were some 2-hander staffs I would have loved to have as appearance items for my wizard, one even an SC item, but without using a 2-hander in the normal spot I couldn't. That isn't something broken on any of the items, appearance or not, it is the way the appearance weapons is set up.</blockquote>I never stated it does not work at all. I stated I wanted it to be able to be an appearance slot workable with the spoon or rolling pin. To my knowledge there are no other primary slot items that give crafting benefits other than the Rolling Pin, Mixing Spoon, and SotB reward (+1% XP at level 85 is not much benefit, but that is in my item board post). SO with only 3 possible items to worry about, they could not make things work?I will not equip something else in my primary slot and lose +10% Success chance just to make this show up in appearance while CRAFTING. I am a crafter, why should I have anything that can detrimentally affect my crafting capabilities equipped? For maximum crafting benefit you want the smallest power pool with the highest power regen you can get.The point is that this is a reward for a CRAFTING quest line and it provides absolutely ZERO benefit for use during actual CRAFTING. If they are going to give us fancy looking crafter specific gear that is of no use during crafting, then they should at least make it useful as an appearance item.The only time I ever use the Artisan's Escape is while running the SF daily quests to save time. I could as easily attack a Hua Mein guard to get ported back to Paineel.</blockquote>Not sure why the spoon or rolling pin are 2-handers. It might be easier to, in the Items forum, ask for them to be made into 1-handers than to ask for the whole appearance system to be altered to allow you to use the SotB item with them. In other words, approach the "problem" from a different angle.

Nooblet

03-29-2010, 08:17 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not sure why the spoon or rolling pin are 2-handers. It might be easier to, in the Items forum, ask for them to be made into 1-handers than to ask for the whole appearance system to be altered to allow you to use the SotB item with them. In other words, approach the "problem" from a different angle.</blockquote>because 6 tradeskill xp gain instead of 3 would completely trivialize the game duh . . .

Te'ana

03-30-2010, 10:39 AM

ROFLOL - When I craft I don't even bother to gear up. The only thing I ever worry about is a blessed event if I have one and that becomes moot once I have leveled up. Crafting tends to put me to sleep so the only real issue I have is waking up to find I didn't get to pristine <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />However, I would really like to see the spoon and rolling pin become one-handers. My Provisioner/Mystic would look so cool weilding her frying pan and rolling pin in a fight!

Sorvani

03-30-2010, 10:54 AM

<cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ROFLOL - When I craft I don't even bother to gear up. The only thing I ever worry about is a blessed event if I have one and that becomes moot once I have leveled up. Crafting tends to put me to sleep so the only real issue I have is waking up to find I didn't get to pristine <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />However, I would really like to see the spoon and rolling pin become one-handers. My Provisioner/Mystic would look so cool weilding her frying pan and rolling pin in a fight!</blockquote>And there is nothing wrong with crafting like that if you choose to. I don't. I choose to craft with the maximum possible benefits. It is no different than raiding with raid gear vs treasured gear. When I play I play serious whether I am adventuring or crafting.Crafting with the correct gear, AA and buffs while using your counters to maximize progress vs durability (pristine is pristine whether durability bar is max or barely on the 4th bar, so why keep durability near max?) makes crafting a single item very quick unless the RNG sends a string of critical fails at you. That is no different than missing repeatedly on a mob you are attacking or having it resist 3 of your spells in a row.

Rijacki

03-30-2010, 11:20 AM

<cite>Nooblet wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not sure why the spoon or rolling pin are 2-handers. It might be easier to, in the Items forum, ask for them to be made into 1-handers than to ask for the whole appearance system to be altered to allow you to use the SotB item with them. In other words, approach the "problem" from a different angle.</blockquote>because 6 tradeskill xp gain instead of 3 would completely trivialize the game duh . . .</blockquote>A 1-hander can be made primary (or secondary) only. A primary only 1-hander limits equipping only one as effectively as a 2-hander designation. Duh..

Te'ana

03-31-2010, 01:51 AM

<cite>Sorvani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lateana@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ROFLOL - When I craft I don't even bother to gear up. The only thing I ever worry about is a blessed event if I have one and that becomes moot once I have leveled up. Crafting tends to put me to sleep so the only real issue I have is waking up to find I didn't get to pristine <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />However, I would really like to see the spoon and rolling pin become one-handers. My Provisioner/Mystic would look so cool weilding her frying pan and rolling pin in a fight!</blockquote>And there is nothing wrong with crafting like that if you choose to. I don't. I choose to craft with the maximum possible benefits. It is no different than raiding with raid gear vs treasured gear. When I play I play serious whether I am adventuring or crafting.Crafting with the correct gear, AA and buffs while using your counters to maximize progress vs durability (pristine is pristine whether durability bar is max or barely on the 4th bar, so why keep durability near max?) makes crafting a single item very quick unless the RNG sends a string of critical fails at you. That is no different than missing repeatedly on a mob you are attacking or having it resist 3 of your spells in a row.</blockquote>My point was that you really don't need all the crafting gear and buffs to quickly and easily level up or to craft in bulk. Unless you are a new or inept crafter who does not understand how the crafting process works yet, all the tiny little buffs available will not make much, if any, difference over simple efficient crafting. Also, there are some folks who believe Mara crafting clothing actually has a negative effect due to a flaw in its design. Since I leveled 22 crafters up to 80 before the expansion and four to 90 in the last month while moving seven of my toons through the adventuring side of the game, I think I can say with some authority that crafting is dead easy and all the crafting gear available doesn't make enough difference to bother with equiping it. If you, or anyone else, like to use it that is fine, but it is really not necessary for crafting success.However, when it comes to appearance slots............I would love for the cool looking spoon or rolling pin to be equipable as a secondary weapon along with the new class specific weapons and the old class specific cloaks<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />