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SageGaspar

02-25-2010, 05:09 PM

*Quest Spoilers*In the course of this quest you go to Paineel, where a sage asks you to find three items in the Hole to allow him to channel the location of Lucan. Afterward he puts you in contact with someone named Fyr'remd Lorak. If you're like me, instantly you think anagram. And it is one. I'll give you a hint. One of the words is Lord. The other one sent me into giddy lore spirals.This being, who looks awesome, sends you to kill some void beasts and go to the Erudin Library to find out more about Theer. You do this and then he sends you to collect some blood and summon Anashti Sul to speak with her about how to defeat Theer.When you talk to Anashti Sul you learn first that she is planning an assault on the Plane of Health. Also, the gods have retreated to their planes in fear of Theer, a being who originally was supposed to keep balance between good and evil and basically ran around with Claymore and Soulfire murderating gods so no one could get too powerful. The gods managed to separate him from his swords to weaken him and banish him to the void. With El'Arad's help he's come back, he's [Removed for Content], and the same trick will not work again apparently.You return to Fyr'remd, who informs you that Theer's godslaying powers do not let him instantly kill mortals the same way, but he will still be an incredibly challenging encounter. Thus he sends you off to the Abominable Laboratory of Parah'celsis to kill Parah'celsis for some type of lasso that will let you bind Theer when you fight him. At this point the quest turns epic, and we haven't cleared labs yet so I cannot tell you what happens next!

Mirander_1

02-26-2010, 12:15 AM

<cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote> Afterward he puts you in contact with someone named Fyr'remd Lorak. If you're like me, instantly you think anagram. And it is one. I'll give you a hint. One of the words is Lord. The other one sent me into giddy lore spirals.</blockquote>So he's back, is he? Interesting. Maybe the next expansion is Velious (or failing that, a new region of the Overrealm perhaps).

Triasa

02-26-2010, 12:29 AM

Isn't Kera... err, "Fyr'remd Lorak," supposedly bent on finding and exacting revenge on Veeshan? If so, I think that might explain why he wants the hands of the Sentinel.

Mary the Prophetess

02-26-2010, 02:07 AM

Parah'celsis Paracelsus was a real life medieval alchemist. He believed that in addition to the four elements of Earth, Fire, Water, and Air, there were also three principles (being Sulfur, Salt, and Mercury) Which reflected the soul, the body, and the spirit respectively. Mercury represented the transformative agent (fusibility and volatility); Sulfur represented the binding agent between substance and transformation (flammability); and Salt represented the solidifying/substantiating agent (fixity and noncombustibility). For example, When a piece of wood is burnt, the products reflect its constitution: Smoke reflects Mercury, flame reflects Sulfur, and ash reflects Salt./shrugs,Probably means nothing though, just FYI

Cusashorn

02-26-2010, 02:18 AM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote> Afterward he puts you in contact with someone named Fyr'remd Lorak. If you're like me, instantly you think anagram. And it is one. I'll give you a hint. One of the words is Lord. The other one sent me into giddy lore spirals.</blockquote>So he's back, is he? Interesting. Maybe the next expansion is Velious (or failing that, a new region of the Overrealm perhaps).</blockquote>So his name spells Kerafyrm. Why the Appostaphe then?

Mirander_1

02-26-2010, 03:13 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote> Afterward he puts you in contact with someone named Fyr'remd Lorak. If you're like me, instantly you think anagram. And it is one. I'll give you a hint. One of the words is Lord. The other one sent me into giddy lore spirals.</blockquote>So he's back, is he? Interesting. Maybe the next expansion is Velious (or failing that, a new region of the Overrealm perhaps).</blockquote>So his name spells Kerafyrm. Why the Appostaphe then?</blockquote>Because it's just not a fantasy name if it doesn't involve apostrophes... and typically some variation of 'Dark' or 'Shadow' somewhere in it.

Pahya

02-26-2010, 05:35 AM

If they leave the continuation of where the leader of one of the major cities in Norrath has trotted off to to a max level epic quest with Freeport hanging in stasis with no leader I reserve the right to drug a certain dwarf's ale and drag him to Neriak to convince him this is a bad idea >.> It's bad enough that such a major event has been left with no change in status for as long as it has. It makes no sense to start with a live event, open to the whole server and very conspicuous and then move to something as insular, static and unseen as a max level signature quest.

ke'la

02-26-2010, 06:27 AM

<cite>Pahya wrote:</cite><blockquote>If they leave the continuation of where the leader of one of the major cities in Norrath has trotted off to to a max level epic quest with Freeport hanging in stasis with no leader I reserve the right to drug a certain dwarf's ale and drag him to Neriak to convince him this is a bad idea >.> It's bad enough that such a major event has been left with no change in status for as long as it has. It makes no sense to start with a live event, open to the whole server and very conspicuous and then move to something as insular, static and unseen as a max level signature quest. </blockquote>Its not like it hasn't happened that way befor though.

Xalmat

02-26-2010, 06:45 AM

Correct. Several signature lines, as well as major story arcs, end with slaying a raid boss.* Prismatic Signature line required killing Darathar and several Epic x4 Drakota. At the time he was the endgame boss.* Peacock line finishes off with killing Godking Anuk, an epic x4 endgame boss.* Qeynos Claymore line finishes off with killing Tarinax, at the time the epic x4 endgame boss.* Sword of Destiny (Soulfire) finishes off with slaying Mayong Mistmoore, an epic x4 endgame boss. Well the story portion finishes off just before, anyway.* The Epic weapons required raiding Veeshan's Peak to power up to Mythical. Each one is its own major story arc or side story to the overall plot (Assassins for example kill Opal Darkbriar, Necromancers take full possession of the remains of the demi-goddess Vazaelle the Mad, etc).* The Fate of Norrath story arc ends with the slaying of Trakanon, the epic x4 endgame boss at the time. Or so we think anyway.* Anashti Sul release from the Void (and subsequent ability to worship her gamewide) occured when she is slain in combat. She was an epic x4 endgame boss.Even as far back as Everquest 1, the story was advanced when raiders freed the Sleeper Kerafyrm (freeing him required a full raid). The Plane of Time incident is a direct result of players mucking around in the Plane of Time and freeing Zebuxoruk from his prison, and required a full raid to do so. The Coldain Ring War of the Kael Drakkel Giants versus the Thurgadin Dwarves was practically a full raid.

Stubbswick

02-26-2010, 03:00 PM

Hey Xalmat, where does this quest start? Was it just patched in?I was looking all over for a new signature quest cause that's where the meat of our story lines come from... but I couldn't find anyone in Freeport who was offering anything new (I got accidentally excited because on one of my max AA characters I didn't do the whole "Where's Lucan" questline and saw the guy in WFP).

Stubbswick

02-26-2010, 03:03 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote> Afterward he puts you in contact with someone named Fyr'remd Lorak. If you're like me, instantly you think anagram. And it is one. I'll give you a hint. One of the words is Lord. The other one sent me into giddy lore spirals.</blockquote>So he's back, is he? Interesting. Maybe the next expansion is Velious (or failing that, a new region of the Overrealm perhaps).</blockquote>So his name spells Kerafyrm. Why the Appostaphe then?</blockquote>Because it's actually an anagram of "Lord Kerafyrm", and I've seen a lot of apostrophes in two-word names like this... maybe because it just works, or because it "hides" the anagram better.And you all suck *tries to close eyes and not look at spoilers*

Xalmat

02-26-2010, 03:32 PM

<cite>Stubbswick wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey Xalmat, where does this quest start? Was it just patched in?I was looking all over for a new signature quest cause that's where the meat of our story lines come from... but I couldn't find anyone in Freeport who was offering anything new (I got accidentally excited because on one of my max AA characters I didn't do the whole "Where's Lucan" questline and saw the guy in WFP).</blockquote>I got my quest starter in North Qeynos at the castle gate. I have no idea where to begin it in Freeport.

Cyliena

02-26-2010, 04:38 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Stubbswick wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey Xalmat, where does this quest start? Was it just patched in?I was looking all over for a new signature quest cause that's where the meat of our story lines come from... but I couldn't find anyone in Freeport who was offering anything new (I got accidentally excited because on one of my max AA characters I didn't do the whole "Where's Lucan" questline and saw the guy in WFP).</blockquote>I got my quest starter in North Qeynos at the castle gate. I have no idea where to begin it in Freeport.</blockquote>NFP across from the cleric guild.

ke'la

02-26-2010, 04:43 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Correct. Several signature lines, as well as major story arcs, end with slaying a raid boss.* Prismatic Signature line required killing Darathar and several Epic x4 Drakota. At the time he was the endgame boss.* Peacock line finishes off with killing Godking Anuk, an epic x4 endgame boss.* Qeynos Claymore line finishes off with killing Tarinax, at the time the epic x4 endgame boss.* Sword of Destiny (Soulfire) finishes off with slaying Mayong Mistmoore, an epic x4 endgame boss. Well the story portion finishes off just before, anyway.* The Epic weapons required raiding Veeshan's Peak to power up to Mythical. Each one is its own major story arc or side story to the overall plot (Assassins for example kill Opal Darkbriar, Necromancers take full possession of the remains of the demi-goddess Vazaelle the Mad, etc).* The Fate of Norrath story arc ends with the slaying of Trakanon, the epic x4 endgame boss at the time. Or so we think anyway.* Anashti Sul release from the Void (and subsequent ability to worship her gamewide) occured when she is slain in combat. She was an epic x4 endgame boss.Even as far back as Everquest 1, the story was advanced when raiders freed the Sleeper Kerafyrm (freeing him required a full raid). The Plane of Time incident is a direct result of players mucking around in the Plane of Time and freeing Zebuxoruk from his prison, and required a full raid to do so. The Coldain Ring War of the Kael Drakkel Giants versus the Thurgadin Dwarves was practically a full raid.</blockquote>Don't forget that God Awful live quest the Plague.

Triasa

02-27-2010, 02:52 AM

For those that are curious....<img src="http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8092/kerafyrmjpg.jpg" />

Cusashorn

02-27-2010, 03:36 AM

Woah.

KniteShayd

02-27-2010, 09:39 AM

Can anyone make a translation for the runes on his robe? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Rainmare

02-27-2010, 11:00 AM

I've been digging throught he living tombs with a fine toothed comb looking for the temple of anashti but can't find it :/

Cusashorn

02-27-2010, 12:54 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been digging throught he living tombs with a fine toothed comb looking for the temple of anashti but can't find it :/</blockquote>What about the door in the 4th court that pops up a message saying it's a temple dedicated to the god of health?

Xalmat

02-27-2010, 05:52 PM

I bet it's the Fountain of Life.*Update* It's definitely the Silent City door, the same door you use for the Anashti Sul deity quest line where you summon her back to Norrath.

Xalmat

02-27-2010, 06:28 PM

The quest line also indicates that Anashti Sul and Roehn Theer were indeed allies up until Anashti Sul left the void on her own. Her investment in the alliance was simply to be freed from the Void; she had no intentions of allowing Theer to return as well.

Pyra Shineflame

03-01-2010, 03:16 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>The quest line also indicates that Anashti Sul and Roehn Theer were indeed allies up until Anashti Sul left the void on her own. Her investment in the alliance was simply to be freed from the Void; she had no intentions of allowing Theer to return as well.</blockquote>For some reason I think its more "taking advantage of an oppurunity" than premeditated to leave him in there. Not like she planned on getting killed and then being able to reform on Norrath after all. That probably allowed her to sever ties completely, otherwise it wouldn't be too far fetched to believe it might have been an all or nothing jail break. Theer isn't dumb...

SageGaspar

03-02-2010, 02:16 AM

The plot thickens (slightly):(1267505016)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:36 2010] You say, "Hail, Fyr'remd Lorak"(1267505016)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:36 2010] aNPC 70844 Fyr'remd Lorak:Fyr'remd Lorak/a says to you, "I trust you are returning with the treads, yes?"(1267505017)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:37 2010] You say to Fyr'remd Lorak, "Indeed. I have the threads here."(126750501<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Mon Mar 01 23:43:38 2010] aNPC 70844 Fyr'remd Lorak:Fyr'remd Lorak/a says to you, "Yes... yes, my plan is almost complete. Now all that is left is for you to defeat Roehn Theer."(1267505019)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:39 2010] You say to Fyr'remd Lorak, ""Your" plan? What do you mean?"(1267505020)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:40 2010] aNPC 70844 Fyr'remd Lorak:Fyr'remd Lorak/a says to you, "I... correct. I have helped you gather the information you will need to defeat Roehn Theer and rescue Lucan D'Lere. The plan I formulated is coming together now."(1267505023)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:43 2010] You say to Fyr'remd Lorak, "I... see. All right, so, the time has come, then. It's time to confront Roehn Theer."(1267505024)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:44 2010] aNPC 70844 Fyr'remd Lorak:Fyr'remd Lorak/a says to you, "Yes. Remember that you will need an army of the strongest adventurers you can muster to confront Roehn Theer. Gather all that you can, and find him within the palace of Erudin. You must defeat him before he can come through to this existence."(1267505026)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:46 2010] You say to Fyr'remd Lorak, "Very well. What will you do?"(1267505027)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:47 2010] aNPC 70844 Fyr'remd Lorak:Fyr'remd Lorak/a says to you, "I will follow behind you. I will cast down the binding threads when he has fallen, and deliver the final strike to destroy him once and for all. Together, we will see the end of Roehn Theer."(1267505032)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:52 2010] You say to Fyr'remd Lorak, "Then this is it. I will gather my strength, and defeat Roehn Theer."(1267505033)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:53 2010] You say, "Hail, Fyr'remd Lorak"(1267505033)[Mon Mar 01 23:43:53 2010] aNPC 70844 Fyr'remd Lorak:Fyr'remd Lorak/a says, "The defeat of Roehn Theer is all that matters now. He must fall."

teddyboy4

03-02-2010, 02:24 PM

Ahh....so Kera plans to deliver the "killing blow" huh? I can't wait to see that cutscene....I wonder if he will reveal himself in his full draconic magnifigance to do the deed or what. Regardless we have to assume his intentions are less then good, and although we may not know exactly what his plan is, I personally think he is going to try and userp Theer's power(s) and swords and then try to take on Veeshan, and possibly the rest of the Pantheon.I just thought of this....but what if in the past 500 years Kera really was out there looking for Veeshan, and he found her, they fought, he lost and then came back to Norrath to recover and try to find the lost swords of Theer so that he would be able to succeed in defeating Veeshan and taking her place. Even if he didn't find Her, the theory that he wants the swords to take down Veeshan really is the most logical.

ke'la

03-02-2010, 07:45 PM

It also could be just that he feels just as treatened by Theer as the gods, cause if anything is the personification of inbalance its a Prismatic Dragon, and while Theer may want revenge, he is supposed to maintain balance.

Cusashorn

03-02-2010, 11:28 PM

Perhaps, but Kerafyrm is still a Mortal, and it's been stated that Theer has a harder time killing mortals than he does gods. A complete reverse of what you'd normally expect.Add to the fact that Kerafyrm is just about the most powerful mortal in Norrath's existence, the odds are heavily in his favor.

Rainmare

03-03-2010, 12:04 AM

well it's not so much a 'harder' time as he just doesn't have an 'instant kill' switch. Theer is still strong enough that he coud kill [Removed for Content] near anything without being able to snap his fingers and zap you dead.

Lodrelhai

03-03-2010, 06:38 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Perhaps, but Kerafyrm is still a Mortal, and it's been stated that Theer has a harder time killing mortals than he does gods. A complete reverse of what you'd normally expect.Add to the fact that Kerafyrm is just about the most powerful mortal in Norrath's existence, the odds are heavily in his favor.</blockquote>Not necessarily a complete reversal. I've played a few tabletop games where weapons and spells specifically crafted to work against a particular type of creature were next to useless against anything else. Enchant a dagger to do 5d20+20 against spirits, and you can cut through a room full of them in no time flat. Then you reach the perfectly mortal knight in full plate who's guarding the mage that summoned the spirits, and suddenly that awesome dagger only does 1d4 damage.Given that Theer was sent by the Nameless specifically and solely to deal with the gods, it's perfectly possible that his weapons and powers are geared at that level, and so are less effective against mortals.I don't think that Kerafyrm is trying to gather more strength after an unsuccessful assault on Veeshan, though. I doubt that Veeshan, having been assaulted by him once, would leave him alive to try it again.

Cusashorn

03-03-2010, 06:56 AM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Perhaps, but Kerafyrm is still a Mortal, and it's been stated that Theer has a harder time killing mortals than he does gods. A complete reverse of what you'd normally expect.Add to the fact that Kerafyrm is just about the most powerful mortal in Norrath's existence, the odds are heavily in his favor.</blockquote>Not necessarily a complete reversal. I've played a few tabletop games where weapons and spells specifically crafted to work against a particular type of creature were next to useless against anything else. Enchant a dagger to do 5d20+20 against spirits, and you can cut through a room full of them in no time flat. Then you reach the perfectly mortal knight in full plate who's guarding the mage that summoned the spirits, and suddenly that awesome dagger only does 1d4 damage.Given that Theer was sent by the Nameless specifically and solely to deal with the gods, it's perfectly possible that his weapons and powers are geared at that level, and so are less effective against mortals.I don't think that Kerafyrm is trying to gather more strength after an unsuccessful assault on Veeshan, though. I doubt that Veeshan, having been assaulted by him once, would leave him alive to try it again.</blockquote>Ghostly and Natural Spirits aren't exactly on the same scale as Gods and Mortals. The Gods created the Mortals, yet it's the Mortals that he has trouble slaying, when any other god can just step on us like the ants that we are..All I'm saying is that someone with that much power would probably have alternate methods to deal with other things that he encounters, and it's rather... well, odd, that this type of situation comes up.

Vaedaer

03-03-2010, 10:14 AM

I still say that Kerafyrm with or without the sword will probably not be able to take Veeshan down ... if Veeshan has been out there in space, maybe populating other planets the amounts of followers she may have? that would make her kinda too powerful ... maybe Kerafyrm will actually free Theer so he can finish Veeshan who may be more powerful than the other gods and keep "balance"? /shrugs That would make Kerafyrm a choice for wurmking to replace her.

Danelin

03-03-2010, 11:28 AM

My guess is that Kerafyrm is making the same kind of power play that Mistmoore did on EQlive. He's making a bid for deification so he can fight Veeshan on "equal" terms. Picking up some blades of godslaying along the way would only make him better suited for the task. Also, Fyrmie running amok ripping the pantheon apart would make that book of doomsday prophecies related to the draining of the mythical weapons make a lot of sense. I'm more curious as to why he's looking the way he does now.

Eriol

03-03-2010, 02:19 PM

Can somebody refresh me on why Kera would like to take Veeshan down? I don't remember Veeshan doing anything horrible to Kera in the past. Other dragons sure, but I didn't think Veeshan did anything to warrant Kera wanting to take her down, but my memory for this isn't as clear as it could be.Basically, the popular theory in this thread revolves around Kera wanting to take the swords so he can take down Veeshan, but why does he want to take her down? That's not stated in this thread.

Cusashorn

03-03-2010, 02:30 PM

Supposedly (There's no proof one way or another,) Veeshan was the one who gave the dragons the spell to put him to sleep, and he knew it.

Pyra Shineflame

03-03-2010, 04:24 PM

I doubt it...what, on her trip through the multiverse she felt an "imbalance in the Force" and came back to Norrath to pass along a spell (huge dragon, rips scars in worls casually, uses spells? Why not just kill him?) just to leave again? I think it's just a matter of his ego. Evil be tripping on their own delusions of power and self importance and all that jazz. He is Kerafyrm! Prismatic Dragon! Hear him roar!

ke'la

03-03-2010, 05:51 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Perhaps, but Kerafyrm is still a Mortal, and it's been stated that Theer has a harder time killing mortals than he does gods. A complete reverse of what you'd normally expect.Add to the fact that Kerafyrm is just about the most powerful mortal in Norrath's existence, the odds are heavily in his favor.</blockquote>Not necessarily a complete reversal. I've played a few tabletop games where weapons and spells specifically crafted to work against a particular type of creature were next to useless against anything else. Enchant a dagger to do 5d20+20 against spirits, and you can cut through a room full of them in no time flat. Then you reach the perfectly mortal knight in full plate who's guarding the mage that summoned the spirits, and suddenly that awesome dagger only does 1d4 damage.Given that Theer was sent by the Nameless specifically and solely to deal with the gods, it's perfectly possible that his weapons and powers are geared at that level, and so are less effective against mortals.I don't think that Kerafyrm is trying to gather more strength after an unsuccessful assault on Veeshan, though. I doubt that Veeshan, having been assaulted by him once, would leave him alive to try it again.</blockquote>Ghostly and Natural Spirits aren't exactly on the same scale as Gods and Mortals. The Gods created the Mortals, yet it's the Mortals that he has trouble slaying, when any other god can just step on us like the ants that we are..All I'm saying is that someone with that much power would probably have alternate methods to deal with other things that he encounters, and it's rather... well, odd, that this type of situation comes up.</blockquote>It is possable that the Nameless made him Weaker against Mortals specifically as a check on Theer's power.

Meirril

03-04-2010, 03:16 AM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote> <cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Perhaps, but Kerafyrm is still a Mortal, and it's been stated that Theer has a harder time killing mortals than he does gods. A complete reverse of what you'd normally expect.Add to the fact that Kerafyrm is just about the most powerful mortal in Norrath's existence, the odds are heavily in his favor.</blockquote>Not necessarily a complete reversal. I've played a few tabletop games where weapons and spells specifically crafted to work against a particular type of creature were next to useless against anything else. Enchant a dagger to do 5d20+20 against spirits, and you can cut through a room full of them in no time flat. Then you reach the perfectly mortal knight in full plate who's guarding the mage that summoned the spirits, and suddenly that awesome dagger only does 1d4 damage.Given that Theer was sent by the Nameless specifically and solely to deal with the gods, it's perfectly possible that his weapons and powers are geared at that level, and so are less effective against mortals.I don't think that Kerafyrm is trying to gather more strength after an unsuccessful assault on Veeshan, though. I doubt that Veeshan, having been assaulted by him once, would leave him alive to try it again.</blockquote>Ghostly and Natural Spirits aren't exactly on the same scale as Gods and Mortals. The Gods created the Mortals, yet it's the Mortals that he has trouble slaying, when any other god can just step on us like the ants that we are..All I'm saying is that someone with that much power would probably have alternate methods to deal with other things that he encounters, and it's rather... well, odd, that this type of situation comes up.</blockquote>It is possable that the Nameless made him Weaker against Mortals specifically as a check on Theer's power.</blockquote>It is also possible that mortals are crazy enough to take Theer on while any saine diety will use pawns instead of risking their neck because once Theer kills them they are not reforming after that. Kerafyrm being a non-diety might be willing to take a risk in getting close to a weakened, nearly dead Theer so he can get first dibs on stealing his swords (again).Kerafyrm might not be planning on going after Veeshan. Just having the swords would give him a lot of clout amongst the other gods. Maybe even enough to make him into a diety?

Carthr

03-04-2010, 11:23 AM

<cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I doubt it...what, on her trip through the multiverse she felt an "imbalance in the Force" and came back to Norrath to pass along a spell (huge dragon, rips scars in worls casually, uses spells? Why not just kill him?) just to leave again? I think it's just a matter of his ego. Evil be tripping on their own delusions of power and self importance and all that jazz. He is Kerafyrm! Prismatic Dragon! Hear him roar!</blockquote>Because of the rules.. Dragon can't kill another dragon... Hence, why they put him to sleep.Veeshan = god.. Claymore + Soulfire = Godslaying tools... Kera wants them to slay Veeshan

Pyra Shineflame

03-04-2010, 11:30 AM

<cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I doubt it...what, on her trip through the multiverse she felt an "imbalance in the Force" and came back to Norrath to pass along a spell (huge dragon, rips scars in worls casually, uses spells? Why not just kill him?) just to leave again? I think it's just a matter of his ego. Evil be tripping on their own delusions of power and self importance and all that jazz. He is Kerafyrm! Prismatic Dragon! Hear him roar!</blockquote>Because of the rules.. Dragon can't kill another dragon... Hence, why they put him to sleep.Veeshan = god.. Claymore + Soulfire = Godslaying tools... Kera wants them to slay Veeshan</blockquote>I don't doubt that. What I doubt is the speculation that Veeshan, the one who made the dragon rules, was the one who gave them the spell to put him asleep. If she cared, why not get rid of him herself? Or something else not so subtle for a dragon the size of a planet. Seems a bit far fetched for how much Veeshan has made herself a non-presence on Norrath siince she scarred it, is all.

Vaedaer

03-04-2010, 03:48 PM

<cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I doubt it...what, on her trip through the multiverse she felt an "imbalance in the Force" and came back to Norrath to pass along a spell (huge dragon, rips scars in worls casually, uses spells? Why not just kill him?) just to leave again? I think it's just a matter of his ego. Evil be tripping on their own delusions of power and self importance and all that jazz. He is Kerafyrm! Prismatic Dragon! Hear him roar!</blockquote>Because of the rules.. Dragon can't kill another dragon... Hence, why they put him to sleep.Veeshan = god.. Claymore + Soulfire = Godslaying tools... Kera wants them to slay Veeshan</blockquote>The godslaying power is theer's power isn't it? the swords are what he uses to channel that power iirc ... so, I don't think the swords alone will have any godslaying power

Lodrelhai

03-05-2010, 08:17 PM

<cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Carthrax wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zulaika@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I doubt it...what, on her trip through the multiverse she felt an "imbalance in the Force" and came back to Norrath to pass along a spell (huge dragon, rips scars in worls casually, uses spells? Why not just kill him?) just to leave again? I think it's just a matter of his ego. Evil be tripping on their own delusions of power and self importance and all that jazz. He is Kerafyrm! Prismatic Dragon! Hear him roar!</blockquote>Because of the rules.. Dragon can't kill another dragon... Hence, why they put him to sleep.Veeshan = god.. Claymore + Soulfire = Godslaying tools... Kera wants them to slay Veeshan</blockquote>I don't doubt that. What I doubt is the speculation that Veeshan, the one who made the dragon rules, was the one who gave them the spell to put him asleep. If she cared, why not get rid of him herself? Or something else not so subtle for a dragon the size of a planet. Seems a bit far fetched for how much Veeshan has made herself a non-presence on Norrath siince she scarred it, is all.</blockquote>I believe the specifics were that the dragons trying to subdue Kerafyrm prayed to Veeshan for the power to do so, and they got it. Veeshan herself did not take any interest in the matter beyond the diety equivalent of, "Kids say they're low on gas, give them a $20 to hold them over for a while." IIRC there's been debate before as to whether Veeshan even gave that much, or whether desperation pushed the dragons to draw more power than they thought they had into subduing Kerafyrm and placing the spell, similar to those stories you hear sometimes of a woman lifting an overturned car off her kid.Short version, Veeshan didn't give them the spell, she gave them the power they asked for to make the spell work. Maybe. Kerafyrm having a grudge against Veeshan could be evidence she actually did give them the power and he sensed it, or he heard them praying and assumed she did, or just that he's ticked she'd forbidden his existence in the first place.Of course, if I'm wrong on the specifics, I hope someone will correct me!

Cusashorn

03-05-2010, 08:21 PM

Not to split hairs here, but what's the difference between her giving them the spell and giving them the power to make the spell work? They're practically the same thing.

Xalmat

03-05-2010, 08:22 PM

At this point, it's probably irrelevant.

Lodrelhai

03-06-2010, 12:46 AM

Giving them the spell would indicate a more in-depth involvement by Veeshan; she forms the spell to subdue him, which doesn't fit on two points. 1) If she opts to act on the threat he poses, why not destroy him directly? 2) Veeshan hasn't involved herself directly with her Norrathian children since she dropped them off with their laws, why get involved now?A surge of divine power in response to prayers is less involved. She doesn't have to know or care why they're pleading for her help, just send them a boost back along whatever wavelength the prayer came to her. It also opens the debate as to whether she even helped or not, which I swear I saw commented on in this forum but cannot for the life of me find.Also, I kind of doubt the dragons needed help adapting a sleep spell for extended duration, given that stuns, mezzes, and other such magic are such base skills that even a new enchanter of the lesser races can use them.

teddyboy4

03-06-2010, 01:54 PM

I have to agree w/ Lodrelhai here, I was going to say something earlier but I'm lazy...As I recal, there was no proof of Veeshan intervening in any way what-so-ever. All I remember is that the High Priests prayed to, or called upon, Veeshan for the power to seal Kera away in slumber, and that since they succeeded that was proof that Veeshan heard, and answered their prayers... w/o any actual evidence of Her doing so. So, imo Veeshan didn't intervene w/ Kera's slumber in anyway what-so-ever, it was just the High Priests trying to convince everyone, including themselves, that it was Veeshan's will that Kera was put to sleep.In fact, just to play devil's advocate here, I also seem to remember Kera's supporters claiming the exact opposite... that Kera being created in the first place, even at all, was proof of Veeshan's "blessing". B/c the High Priests claimed that it was Veeshan's law that forbode Prismatics in the first place, the fact that there was one MUST have been proof that Veeshan wanted, or allowed one to be created.See how that works? I'm just saying....

Rainmare

03-06-2010, 02:55 PM

the law against opposing elements breeding was just that, a law. it'd be no differnet then someone passing a law that says white and black people can't interbreed. when it happened anyway, to save face and to give thier law the clout it needed they decreed it was Veeshan's 'will' that allowed Kera to be born.Kera's appearnce seems to be his attempt at taking on a 'lesser' form. like Gore and Darathar did. but the inherent power/instability in him made it come out like that. his eyes are actually constnatly glowing in prismatic colors even beneath his hood.It could be that Kera, like Mayong, sees the threat that Theer poses as just as dangerous to them as to the gods. Anashti says it herself, that no mortal or god would ever be allowed to be stronger then thier peers under Theer's tyrannical sense of Balance.Mayong is powerful beyond measure to the mortal races, adn the only being that rivals or surpasses him in mortal races in Kera himself. While Theer doesn't have the instant kill switch he has with the Gods, he is as stated, more then powerful enough to take on armies of the most powerful mortals on norrath (us wielding mythical weapons/powers) and still win. he just might actually have to break a sweat to do it.Now we have all been assuming Kera wants the weapons to take on/bring down Veeshan. what if that's not the case? what if what he really wants is what he tried for in EQ before being put to sleep. dominion over norrath, with only the dragon's loyal to him. everything else dead and gone.wielding Theer's twin swords, combined with his own considerable power, I doubt any force on norrath would be able to stop him from remaking it in his own image. and with theer's sword he could in theory even fend off the Gods who might come knockingon his door in the aftermath.

ke'la

03-08-2010, 06:00 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the law against opposing elements breeding was just that, a law. it'd be no differnet then someone passing a law that says white and black people can't interbreed. when it happened anyway, to save face and to give thier law the clout it needed they decreed it was Veeshan's 'will' that allowed Kera to be born.Kera's appearnce seems to be his attempt at taking on a 'lesser' form. like Gore and Darathar did. but the inherent power/instability in him made it come out like that. his eyes are actually constnatly glowing in prismatic colors even beneath his hood.It could be that Kera, like Mayong, sees the threat that Theer poses as just as dangerous to them as to the gods. Anashti says it herself, that no mortal or god would ever be allowed to be stronger then thier peers under Theer's tyrannical sense of Balance.Mayong is powerful beyond measure to the mortal races, adn the only being that rivals or surpasses him in mortal races in Kera himself. While Theer doesn't have the instant kill switch he has with the Gods, he is as stated, more then powerful enough to take on armies of the most powerful mortals on norrath (us wielding mythical weapons/powers) and still win. he just might actually have to break a sweat to do it.Now we have all been assuming Kera wants the weapons to take on/bring down Veeshan. what if that's not the case? what if what he really wants is what he tried for in EQ before being put to sleep. dominion over norrath, with only the dragon's loyal to him. everything else dead and gone.wielding Theer's twin swords, combined with his own considerable power, I doubt any force on norrath would be able to stop him from remaking it in his own image. and with theer's sword he could in theory even fend off the Gods who might come knockingon his door in the aftermath.</blockquote>One thing we need to factor in also is that though the VOID story arc is comming to an end with this expainsion, the Devs have made clear that this is NOT the end of the overall End of Days Story Arc, more like the end of the begining.

Xalmat

03-08-2010, 02:13 PM

Well, Theer was killed last night. I want to know what happens next!

Vaedaer

03-08-2010, 03:47 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, Theer was killed last night. I want to know what happens next!</blockquote>Omg, me too!

Gaige

03-08-2010, 04:16 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, Theer was killed last night. I want to know what happens next!</blockquote>He was killed over a week ago, well his 1st ward anyway.

FimisOrbe

03-09-2010, 06:16 AM

Spoiler for Last Dialogue and Journal entry:You say, "Hail, Lucan D'Lere"aNPC 23041 Lucan D'Lere:Lucan D'Lere/a says to you, "Ah... Norrathians. I witnessed your fight with the Godslayer, and saw you put an end to him once and for all. I must say, I am impressed with what you have achieved."You say to Lucan D'Lere, "Greetings, Overlord. I have come to return you to Norrath. Freeport burns, and you must return to your citadel."aNPC 23041 Lucan D'Lere:Lucan D'Lere/a says to you, "Indeed. Although I can very well return myself at this point. Roehn Theer holds me no longer, and I am more than capable of returning to my city and dealing with the events there. Although it appears that my sword no longer possesses the strength it once wielded."You say to Lucan D'Lere, "Indeed, it seems that the twin swords have been drained with Roehn Theer's defeat."aNPC 23041 Lucan D'Lere:Lucan D'Lere/a says to you, "Speaking of power, I must return now and deal with those who attempted to grab power in my absence."You say to Lucan D'Lere, "Well, I am glad we were able to see you rescued and order restored to Freeport."aNPC 23041 Lucan D'Lere:Lucan D'Lere/a says to you, "Rescue? I did not need you to rescue me. The minions of Theer were not sufficient to keep me in confinement. I merely waitied here for my sword, which seems to be useless to me now. Your defeat of Theer is admirable, but that's all the praise I have to offer."You say to Lucan D'Lere, "I see. Very well then.Journal:Roehn Theer has been destroyed, but something strange happened. Fyr'remd Lorak performed some manner of rite, and drained the two swords, Enoxus and Aeteok, of their power before vanishing. I was, however, able to locate Lucan D'Lere and free him from his imprisonment within Erudin Palace, so that he might return once again to Freeport, hopefully bringing his brand of order back to the suffering city.That's all and the Quest Ends here.I didn't Check Freeport if it Changes for me, but will do soon.

Xalmat

03-09-2010, 06:40 AM

Well, um, that's kind of a sudden ending! At least the Overlord is rescued, although now we know Soulfire and the Claymore are substantially weakened.It still leaves many questions, such as what becomes of Fyr'remd Lorak? Does he say any new dialog? Did he simply want Rhoen Theer killed, or did he want to possess the swords like we speculated?What of the Qeynos Claymore? Is it returned to Qeynos?With Theer defeated, is this truly the end of the Void threat once and for all? Can the Shadowed Men no longer use portals to enter Norrath, or create more Void anchors? Is it still possible for mortals to create portals to the Void?Is it still dangerous to bring the Claymore and Soulfire together?Do the weapons, even in a substantially weakened state, still possess the necessary power to kill the gods?Is Rhoen Theer truly defeated, as long as the swords still exist? What's to prevent the Nameless from manifesting another Sentinel of Balance?Will the Gods return their Avatars to Norrath now that Rhoen Theer s no longer a threat? (not necessarily so they can be killed, but so they can interact with Norrathians)And also now that Lucan is returned to Norrath, will he be able to reinstate order? What becomes of Tayil N'Velex, who apparently tried to usurp power?

FimisOrbe

03-09-2010, 06:45 AM

Updated previous Post with the Journal Entry.I have to check Fyr'remd Lorak again, didn't meet him again since completed.

Xalmat

03-09-2010, 06:48 AM

OK, so it was Fyr'remd Lorak that drained the swords powers. He either drained the powers making them weaker weapons, or he siphoned them for his own use. Very interesting.

FimisOrbe

03-09-2010, 07:00 AM

Neither Freeport nor Fyr'remd Lorak has changed or give anything new. Fyr'remd even talks like you are still on the first Step of Confronting the Godslayer.I wonder if there would be something else if you have Soulfire and a Qeynos Claymore Reward (or was it Prisma 2) with you (like in Palace with the Statues next to Anashti), but I don't have Soulfire yet, so can't Check it out.

Stubbswick

03-09-2010, 02:30 PM

One thing is pretty clear to me. Kerafyrm siphoned the swords powers to himself.There's a reason the mythical upgrade is called "Epic Repercussions".And take a look at the Seeress prophecies:"Deceptions envelop the well meaning as the hands of the sentinel are sought by the woken one.""If the magics of mythical prestige are ripped from their shells the end of times will be ushered in!"These two make it pretty clear to me that Kerafyrm was after the swords all along (deceiving us with "well meaning" - trying to save us), and the ability for us to upgrade our mythical weapons is tied to it all somehow.

Crymsyn

03-09-2010, 02:34 PM

"If the magics of mythical prestige are ripped from their shells the end of times will be ushered in!"I don't think that mythical refers to OUR mythicals, but more to the draining that was done of the mythical Claymore and Soulfire. And, that by Kera (the woken one) ripping the magic from them this is ushering in the end of times...

Stubbswick

03-09-2010, 03:24 PM

Right, well it could go either way. Those prophecies are fairly blunt in some cases. The "mythical" word tips me off as a fairly obvious reference. Either way, I think the events are clearly tied.The name of the quest "Epic Repercussions", the "epic" part is a play on our epic weapons, but typically "epic repercussions" would mean that whatever you're doing is going to have a massive effect on the world around you. In the dialogs for the upgrade quest, you see people warning you of the danger of stripping the power out of a weapon. They also mention that it's never been tried before.Whether or not that line from the Seeress prophecies means us stripping the buffs off our mythicals, or Kerafyrm stripping the power from the Soulfire and Claymore... it's pretty clear to me that the two events are related.

Eriol

03-09-2010, 06:12 PM

Being that back in 2006 FF, they said they'd NEVER do epic weapons (I was there, it was at one of the panels), and then a couple of years later they do them, but the initial LORE of the game has been planned out since pre-release, and so most likely the "big events" of this expansion were planned out then too, I'd lay heavy odds that this whole unfolding of events was determined more than 5 years ago. The language may have changed slightly to make some implications that our individual characters had more to do with it via mythicals, but I think that's just reading too much into it.It's been planned a long time. The draining referred to are the Swords of Destiny IMO.

The_Cheeseman

03-10-2010, 03:30 AM

What a kick in the teeth. Because of our greed, we inadvertantly invented the very means by which Kerafyrm was able to absorb the power of the Hands of Theer, likely granting him the power to slay the very gods themsevles and perhaps to annhilate the entirety of existence. We sure do make good pawns, don't we?Looks like we <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosSucker" target="_blank">fell for it</a>.

ke'la

03-10-2010, 07:08 AM

<cite>The_Cheeseman wrote:</cite><blockquote>What a kick in the teeth. Because of our greed, we inadvertantly invented the very means by which Kerafyrm was able to absorb the power of the Hands of Theer, likely granting him the power to slay the very gods themsevles and perhaps to annhilate the entirety of existence. We sure do make good pawns, don't we?Looks like we <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosSucker" target="_blank">fell for it</a>.</blockquote>Have we ever not fallen for it? Really, Claymore, we where nothing but a Distraction so the Order of Marr could swap out swords, similar things happened with Soulfire, Prismatic we where pawns of both Naggy(to remove the one prismatic egg not under his control), and Darathar(so he can steal the egg), Really other then with the Epic Weopon quests, I think we are always someone's pawn and atleast half the time if not more make matters worst... the Frostfell egg comes to mind.Oh, as for the devs saying they would never do epic weopons, while I know it was not your point, the general dev answer to are there going to be epic weopons(prior to RoK going into development) was No there won't be because we don't have enough time to do them right. With the longer expainsion cycle that started with EoF they suddenly did, but barly, so they did them. That said I really doupt the Mythical Epic weopons we have really plays into the Void/End of Days story.Lastly, the devs also said this is the end of the VOID stories but not the end of the major story arc, more like the middle of it. And baised on the SPOILERS above I would say that most definatly is true, and it may also explain why they choice NOT to go to Velious with this one...If we are going to be battling Kelefrym it definatly should be on Velious.

Garnaf

03-10-2010, 01:43 PM

So wait... We just made the most POWERFUL non-god entity on Norrath even MORE powerful? Wonderful...Also, even in some of the epic weapons you're a pawn for a bit (SK comes to mind, where Lhranc sends you on an errand or two to break his prison (again... He did the same thing in EQ1) and attacks you at the end of his part (again, same thing from EQ1. At least he's predictable).Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go cower in fear of a Kerafyrm with the powers of Enoxus and Aeteok...

SageGaspar

03-14-2010, 06:43 AM

He does during the fight say something to the effect of "You wimps! If you just kill me on easy I'll be back again in a couple days!" I hold out a dim hope that we might get a more satisfying conclusion upon "permanently" defeating him in hard mode, though this is more wishful thinking than anything I actually expect.

ke'la

03-14-2010, 12:17 PM

<cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>He does during the fight say something to the effect of "You wimps! If you just kill me on easy I'll be back again in a couple days!" I hold out a dim hope that we might get a more satisfying conclusion upon "permanently" defeating him in hard mode, though this is more wishful thinking than anything I actually expect.</blockquote>The thing is this is not the end of the story, it is at best the middle, how satifing was the "end" of Empire? Now I am not saying the true end will be satifing, I am just saying that this is not the end of the major story, yet. Just the Void's involvment in it.

Cusashorn

03-14-2010, 01:02 PM

SageGaspar

03-14-2010, 03:31 PM

There have been difficulty modes on raids since last expansion, depending on what you do or don't do during the fight it can trigger a harder fight which drops better loot.And you can have a cliffhanger without just stopping the story abruptly with a couple lines of dialogue, if Kerafyrm chopped off my character's hand or told Lucan he was his daddy that'd be one thing. This just ends. The questgivers still talk to you like you haven't killed Theer at all. We'll have to see when someone finally gets his hard difficulty if something changes.

Cusashorn

03-14-2010, 04:31 PM

Oh right, that concept they introduced with Miragul's Shard. I thought you ment Easy, Hard, Very Hard like the Palace from DoF.

Garnaf

03-14-2010, 08:23 PM

Isn't the difference between Easy and Hard Theer something like you fight One aspect (Enoxus or Aeteok) for Easy Mode and BOTH for Hard? (at least that's what I was told, me no raid, me probably never see Theer Hard Mode.)

Rezikai

03-14-2010, 08:59 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>The thing is this is not the end of the story, it is at best the middle, how satifing was the "end" of Empire? Now I am not saying the true end will be satifing, I am just saying that this is not the end of the major story, yet. Just the Void's involvment in it.</blockquote>Agreed. But i hope they dont allow Lucan to return to Freeport with open arms and let him regain control easily. Factions of the Dreadnaughts and the Thexians hold parts of Freeport and the Neriak alliance is sure to test his political strength. Honestly he should come back and face the music having to stand side by side with the commoners and try to retake the city. Heck he's used to only controlling 1/2 of Freeport anyways <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

SageGaspar

03-14-2010, 09:02 PM

<cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Isn't the difference between Easy and Hard Theer something like you fight One aspect (Enoxus or Aeteok) for Easy Mode and BOTH for Hard? (at least that's what I was told, me no raid, me probably never see Theer Hard Mode.)</blockquote>I honestly dunno having not tried "hardmode", basically he has runes that represent the power of four forgotten gods that he presumably killed and you can choose to give him the power of one, two, three or four of them, each one making him more difficult. The trophy for killing him easymode was a statue of Enoxus, I presume the hard mode trophy is Aeteok.

ke'la

03-14-2010, 10:24 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>He does during the fight say something to the effect of "You wimps! If you just kill me on easy I'll be back again in a couple days!" I hold out a dim hope that we might get a more satisfying conclusion upon "permanently" defeating him in hard mode, though this is more wishful thinking than anything I actually expect.</blockquote>There are difficulty modes? -_-</blockquote>Makes a bit of sence as he is the last mob in a storyline, and they did resontly add in the ablity to defeat mobs at differant dificulties.

Quicksilver74

03-15-2010, 03:14 PM

Kerafyrm is a Dragon. Dragon's like to polymorph, this is why we often see Dragons in humanoid form. But regardless of his fire demon form, he's still a Dragon. How in the world is a Dragon going to use 2 swords? Maybe he'll wear them as earrings or something. And besides, they are both T7 weapons, I hope he's not gonna try and kill anyone with them.

Gungo

03-15-2010, 03:26 PM

<cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kerafyrm is a Dragon. Dragon's like to polymorph, this is why we often see Dragons in humanoid form. But regardless of his fire demon form, he's still a Dragon. How in the world is a Dragon going to use 2 swords? Maybe he'll wear them as earrings or something. And besides, they are both T7 weapons, I hope he's not gonna try and kill anyone with them. </blockquote>If you read the thread, Kerafyrm used the same ritual we used to absorb the demigod empowered epic weaponsto absorb the soulfire and claymore powers. He doesnt need to use the swords they are pretty much just regular weapons now. He is buffed up with their powers. AKA he is now a dragon with the ability to permanantly kill the Gods. In others words watch the F*** out Veeshan, the sleeper is coming.

Garnaf

03-15-2010, 04:32 PM

<cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kerafyrm is a Dragon. Dragon's like to polymorph, this is why we often see Dragons in humanoid form. But regardless of his fire demon form, he's still a Dragon. How in the world is a Dragon going to use 2 swords? Maybe he'll wear them as earrings or something. And besides, they are both T7 weapons, I hope he's not gonna try and kill anyone with them. </blockquote>You forget that those T7 weapons are mere REPLICAS, not the real Enoxus and Aeteok. (We're told by the Order of Marr that the Claymore we get is a replica, and Lucan himself tells us that of Soulfire, which makes sense, Lucan was NOT about to just give up his weapon).The REAL weapons are going back where they belong (Lucan and Antonia) but now Kerafyrm has absorbed their powers in full, in other words, Kerafyrm has all the powers of Theer on top of his own massive powers. (Kerafyrm is EASILY one of the 3 strongest non-god beings on Norrath. Now that he has the powers of Theer's Swords, easily THE strongest.)

Gungo

03-15-2010, 04:58 PM

3 strongest non-god beings?Kerafyrm, Mayong and ???? miragul?(no where near the same league)

Xalmat

03-15-2010, 05:05 PM

Miragul is practically a demigod at this point. The Erudites of Paineel fear him, as he can obliterate an entire continent with a mere thought if he wished. Not to mention Miragul now has his own Planar Shard to call his own.

Garnaf

03-15-2010, 05:05 PM

<cite>Gungo wrote:</cite><blockquote>3 strongest non-god beings?Kerafyrm, Mayong and ???? miragul?(no where near the same league)</blockquote>I wouldn't be sure about not even close, since one of the NPCs mentions Miragul could destroy all of Odus. but Dartain / Al'Kabor was who I was thinking of for #3.

Rainmare

03-15-2010, 05:17 PM

well most people also think that Al'Kabor is dead and gone too, there's even a monument to him at the mausoleum of scholars, and don't know that Dartain and Al'Kabor are the same person/ combined together somehow. Miragul is the most powerful mage that they know for SURE still 'lives'.I'd put Miragul and Al'Kabor prolly pretty close to eachother in raw power. and even then, the one guy that mentions it only does so after we say we stole his notes...claiming that miragul could destroy odus and that inciting his ire would not be a good thing...before saying his next envoy would take the notes adn put them back. I seriously doubt Miragul has that kind of power...not to mention he's trapped in his Shard. there's been no sign ever of him leaving his 'Planar Shard' himself at all.I'd call the talk of Miragul as more akin to 'Hero worship'. I bet if you could ask a Deepwater Knight about any mage they know of that would be able to destroy Odus if you [Removed for Content] them off, they'd say Al'Kabor without hesitation...if they knew Al'Kabor was still alive.

Garnaf

03-15-2010, 05:24 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Stuff...I seriously doubt Miragul has that kind of power...not to mention he's trapped in his Shard. there's been no sign ever of him leaving his 'Planar Shard' himself at all.Stuff...</blockquote>THIS is why I said Dartain / Al'Kabor. We know for a fact that Dartain can act freely.

timetravelling

03-15-2010, 08:14 PM

<cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hold out a dim hope that we might get a more satisfying conclusion upon "permanently" defeating him in hard mode,</blockquote>=)

Tehom

03-15-2010, 08:19 PM

<cite>timetravelling wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hold out a dim hope that we might get a more satisfying conclusion upon "permanently" defeating him in hard mode,</blockquote>=)</blockquote>Well, that sounds promising! Though if possible, the dialogue for hailing him in Quel'ule should probably be updated after you finish the quest on easy mode so he alludes to needing to beat Theer for real rather than just telling you to go after Perah'Celsis again, and the initial quest-givers in Freeport/Qeynos should probably be updated in some way referencing Lucan's imminent return if he hasn't gotten back already.I really did love this quest line though. The part where you visit Anashti was just awesome, and the first time I was told about the anagram was a great reveal.

ke'la

03-16-2010, 12:03 AM

BleemTeam

03-16-2010, 03:13 AM

I feel as tho killing Waansu should update the quest. Hardcore raid guilds won't kill Perah for a quest... Therefore, I would like my quest updated on Kenku on Befallen.For real tho, this shouldn't be the case. I did kill Perah'Celsis (Hard Mode)

SageGaspar

03-16-2010, 03:18 AM

^ Agreed, the quest ought to update off of Waansu as well as Perah'celsis. It's not good having to choose between doing the hard mode or updating the quest.<cite>timetravelling wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hold out a dim hope that we might get a more satisfying conclusion upon "permanently" defeating him in hard mode,</blockquote>=)</blockquote>Can't wait to see! That ought not to have been as pessimistic as it sounded, I've actually really enjoyed the way this expansion and the last, there's a clearly defined plot arc that players can follow along with in the game itself. It's a refreshing change of direction, I'm cool with vague hints and I enjoy the forum games that devs get into but what's even more fun is when there's an in-game payoff. Having the lore accessible and taking part in the actual events in the game is a big boost for immersion.Aside from that, I forget if it was your doing but I'm a big fan of the entire Theer encounter. It looks awesome, it's something completely different and it's a lot of fun puzzling out.

Orienne

03-16-2010, 05:54 PM

<cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>^ Agreed, the quest ought to update off of Waansu as well as Perah'celsis. It's not good having to choose between doing the hard mode or updating the quest.<cite>timetravelling wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hold out a dim hope that we might get a more satisfying conclusion upon "permanently" defeating him in hard mode,</blockquote>=)</blockquote>Can't wait to see! That ought not to have been as pessimistic as it sounded, I've actually really enjoyed the way this expansion and the last, there's a clearly defined plot arc that players can follow along with in the game itself. It's a refreshing change of direction, I'm cool with vague hints and I enjoy the forum games that devs get into but what's even more fun is when there's an in-game payoff. Having the lore accessible and taking part in the actual events in the game is a big boost for immersion.Aside from that, I forget if it was your doing but I'm a big fan of the entire Theer encounter. It looks awesome, it's something completely different and it's a lot of fun puzzling out.</blockquote>I'm pretty sure that he was the one who designed this entire encounter and area, so definately a big kudos to him for that. The fight itself is quite enjoyable, especially if you are able to play with your graphics turned up.Also having the lore of Norrath directly involved in the game when we are soloing / questing / grouping / raiding is a big bonus to me. I originally switched to EQ1 from UO and found the lore quite interesting, so decided to give this game a try when it came out and thoroughly enjoyed it like EQ1. I'd love to see more of this happening as the game advances with new game updates and expansions.

Cjay

03-21-2010, 06:52 PM

Is Lord Kerefyrm, naggys and voxs son?

Morghus

03-21-2010, 07:22 PM

<cite>Cjay@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is Lord Kerefyrm, naggys and voxs son?</blockquote>No, but that is a common misconception.

Cusashorn

03-21-2010, 08:09 PM

<cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cjay@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is Lord Kerefyrm, naggys and voxs son?</blockquote>No, but that is a common misconception.</blockquote>Correct. Vox and Naggy for exiled and forced away from each other because they wanted to create another prysmatic dragon like Kerafyrm. They apparently succeeded in making the eggs over the last 500 years, but whether or not they will hatch remains to be seen... though since the eggs take centuries to incubate, it's a non-issue for our timeline. Let the Norrathians deal with it 400-some years from now.Kerafyrm himself was born from Dozekar the Cursed and a never-revealed never-named mother dragon. Dozekar's punishment for this crime was to be kept prisoner in the Eastern wing of the Temple of Veeshan, where he would be killed by us adventurers and ressurected by the draconic magic just so he could be killed again and again for all eternity.

Rainmare

03-27-2010, 02:47 PM

actually I think those eggs are closer to hatching then you might think. there's hints in game and I think at a fan faire one of the devs mentioned them as a potential threat to norrath.

Cusashorn

03-27-2010, 02:54 PM

Anything and everything can be a "Potential Threat to Norrath", but the question is "When".Now it's clearly obvious that hearing this at a fan faire panel indicates that the developers could and most likely will use EQ2 as the medium to show those events, as there are no new Everquest games currently in the works (don't know what that EQ Next thing is all about.. sound just like fan speculation to me.)Anyways, whether they act on that cryptic foreshadowing is up to them, but if they don't get around to doing it, then that little hint could always be interpreted as "it won't happen in our lifetime, but it will happen eventually."

Trevalon

03-27-2010, 03:04 PM

double

Trevalon

03-27-2010, 03:05 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now it's clearly obvious that hearing this at a fan faire panel indicates that the developers could and most likely will use EQ2 as the medium to show those events, as there are no new Everquest games currently in the works (don't know what that EQ Next thing is all about.. sound just like fan speculation to me.)</blockquote>Let me Clear this up for ya Cusa<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.zam.com/story.html?story=19260" target="_blank">http://eq2.zam.com/story.html?story=19260</a>Everquest "Next" is already in development...So yes, EQ3 is coming <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> - They just are not sure if they are going to actually call it "Everquest" I read an interview somewhere where the devs said they kinda wished they hadn't called Everquest 2 Everquest....but that seems to defeat the purpose to me.Everquest 3 imo would be great <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />