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Malicorp

02-25-2010, 10:54 AM

I inquire all the time in channels, but have not seen a single fabled 2 handed crush or piece weapon. I'll look up the weapon you mention above. I just switched to using the Paineel mark purchased 6s delay weapon (rating 151, top end 755?) from the 5-sec 2hander quest reward from the zone quest for Library. In predominately healing gear, I have topped out at about 17.5k on trash (with Stampede). Without stampede, I'm in the 10-12k range. ZW on Abominable labs trash it would be entirely reasonable to hit ~ 15k-ish+. I'd imagine we will see some 20k+ trash zw's out of mystics before too long with spikes approaching maybe 30k?Need to find a [Removed for Content] 2-hander.Fabled 1-hander drops in Vigilant x2. Something War hammer. Looked decent (potentcy/crit bonus + 50-ish Wis), but was a 4.0 delay.

Pvpmedic

02-25-2010, 11:14 AM

I honestly cant see me giving up star of malace tbh. Im really looking for a nice one handed spear with high delay and damage rating. I hope sony will put somthing in for us one day. Not so big on 2 handers, with star of malace, and the new tribal rage ward, i can pump out 12k dps and still top the heal parse. Lets get some screen shots on here with some nice one haders people see in there travels.

BroKenWingZ

02-26-2010, 07:17 AM

Looted aITEM 849102555 -1522223285:Nanthera's Ivory Bladed Yuri/a thinking I may have found something interesting to play with even though there is no wis on it. Turns out to be slashing damage even though it is usable by shaman... so I have been unable to test it. Have petitioned and /bugged it in hopes they can change the damage to piercing and change the agi to wis. The appearance on it is amazing none-the-less.<img src="http://www.eq2revelations.com/revftp/chidori/yuri.jpg" width="308" height="596" />

Banditman

02-26-2010, 10:41 AM

Yea, that looks pretty interesting, where did it drop?(Did you report that in the Items and Equipment forum? It should be fixed fairly quickly, I just hope it was intended for Shaman to use)

Malicorp

02-26-2010, 12:55 PM

Yeah, I'll be farming that. Please confirm drop location!Nanthera doesn't sound familiar. I hope it is looks like the weapon from the spider-procing named in Vigilant x2.Also, I heard from guildees that someone linked a fabled 2-handed hammer the other day, but cannot find info to save my life. Think it was in monk channel.

BroKenWingZ

02-26-2010, 05:08 PM

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yea, that looks pretty interesting, where did it drop?(Did you report that in the Items and Equipment forum? It should be fixed fairly quickly, I just hope it was intended for Shaman to use)</blockquote>Vigilant x2 from Trajin Cedon. I'll make a post in the items and equipment forums as well then. Yet to get a response from a petition.

Malicorp

03-03-2010, 04:23 PM

<cite>Chidori@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yea, that looks pretty interesting, where did it drop?(Did you report that in the Items and Equipment forum? It should be fixed fairly quickly, I just hope it was intended for Shaman to use)</blockquote>Vigilant x2 from Trajin Cedon. I'll make a post in the items and equipment forums as well then. Yet to get a response from a petition.</blockquote>So I hear that this 2-hander is using the crushing skill now. Its a 2-handed crushing weapon that inflicts slashing damage? Pretty sweet.

BroKenWingZ

03-04-2010, 07:07 AM

<cite>Debase@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chidori@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yea, that looks pretty interesting, where did it drop?(Did you report that in the Items and Equipment forum? It should be fixed fairly quickly, I just hope it was intended for Shaman to use)</blockquote>Vigilant x2 from Trajin Cedon. I'll make a post in the items and equipment forums as well then. Yet to get a response from a petition.</blockquote>So I hear that this 2-hander is using the crushing skill now. Its a 2-handed crushing weapon that inflicts slashing damage? Pretty sweet.</blockquote>Yes, quite a nice surprise. Thanks FF!Here's how it looks now:<img src="http://www.eq2revelations.com/revftp/chidori/yuri2.jpg" width="300" height="621" />

Banditman

03-04-2010, 10:48 AM

Looks *very* interesting now. I bet that thing hits like a ton of bricks with plenty of time to slide spells between swings.

Malicorp

03-08-2010, 01:11 PM

Picked up the Yuri on Saturday and got to test it out on some stuff last night....Its amazing. Consistently parsing 11-14k on trash, while spiking as high as 20k. With the exception of a haste ring, I was in entirely healing gear. My guild certainly isn't the highest parsing out there, so I'm sure we'll see some mystics the in mid to upper 20,000s soon enough. Even if its only every other or every third trash mob when Stampede is up, its fun to see your name on the posted parse.

Banditman

03-08-2010, 01:59 PM

(*@#$ hasn't dropped it for us yet. ><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Banditman

03-25-2010, 12:04 PM

Highest Melee Hit 13,422 . . . I'm just sayin' . . . wow.

Malicorp

03-25-2010, 02:36 PM

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Highest Melee Hit 13,422 . . . I'm just sayin' . . . wow.</blockquote>I've got one for 16.6 and thats only good enough for 3rd WW for Mystics.

Banditman

03-25-2010, 03:37 PM

Yep, I'm 14th WW Mystics. I need more WIS!(and Crit Bonus wouldn't hurt either)

KatrinaDeath

03-26-2010, 02:10 PM

/sighMy "Highest Melee Hit Worldwide" for Mystic has finally been broken. Gratz!I used a Rallos god spell in PvP to obtain my 13411 hit nearly 2 years ago.*Looks forward to obtaining this spear*

profe

03-28-2010, 10:39 AM

I always wondered how you did that, Swish! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />

KatrinaDeath

03-28-2010, 11:29 AM

<cite>profe wrote:</cite><blockquote>I always wondered how you did that, Swish! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>On a PvP server playing a Defiler it was a good god choice as non profession evacs were hard to get. When I went Mystic I kept the god as it made me very unique. Only Mystic in Qeynos with an evac... hehehe.

SonnyA

04-07-2010, 10:35 AM

How do you get to 12-14k dps?Even with a fabled 6 sec 2-hander with a 150-850 or so spread (from contested Cogglius), I still have trouble parsing over 6-7k unless I pop stampede.I even tried building a dps set that will boost my DA to around 60 and some proc gear. But it seems to have very little effect on my dps. Even the 2hander makes very little difference in dps output.I put 10 points in the AGI damage increase and got tribal rage and leadership. I have the mystic AA from TSO tree, but not the priest one (that gives three buffs). I have all the CAs at 5 or 4, but not yet the combat mastery. Are those two missing AAs really that big of a difference?

Banditman

04-07-2010, 11:25 AM

I don't parse 14k, but one thing I definitely pay attention to is DA. I don't count on Rage to get me to 100%. I want to be at 100% pre-pull and stay there. Ethereal Weaponry and Litany of Combat help with this a lot.I assume (hope) you're not trying to DPS in your Heal stance, you're never going to reach your maximum potential that way. Make sure you put your DPS stance active when you're "trying" to DPS.Another trick, even when you are not spec'ed for the dog, have him up for trash. Depending on your group / raid and what temp buffs get thrown up during any given fight, the dog can end up as 700 - 1200 DPS.I've parsed as high as 10k, but typically on trash fights if I am in my DPS gear I can get around 7-8k. If I remember to get the dog up, it goes up closer to 9k.After that, just the usual stuff. Make sure you are not EVER interrupting your auto attack swings. That will destroy your DPS quicker than anything. Don't even interrupt them for another damage dealing ability. Nothing else comes close to the damage your auto attack does.

KatrinaDeath

04-07-2010, 12:10 PM

Pre SF I had a DPS gear set that was 100% "scout" chain and jewelry with more +dps, +haste, +da, and procs than you could shake a stick at. I also found that the mastercrafted dps and haste rings boosted my dps. I was pushing 6.5k+ with a pvp server only 2h weapon.After these stat changes I found it was harder to gear up like this but I'm still doing 7k+ on trash now. But on the plus side I'm swapping out way less gear between dps and healing fights.

Hene

04-07-2010, 12:50 PM

<cite>SonnyA wrote:</cite><blockquote>How do you get to 12-14k dps?Even with a fabled 6 sec 2-hander with a 150-850 or so spread (from contested Cogglius), I still have trouble parsing over 6-7k unless I pop stampede.I even tried building a dps set that will boost my DA to around 60 and some proc gear. But it seems to have very little effect on my dps. Even the 2hander makes very little difference in dps output.I put 10 points in the AGI damage increase and got tribal rage and leadership. I have the mystic AA from TSO tree, but not the priest one (that gives three buffs). I have all the CAs at 5 or 4, but not yet the combat mastery. Are those two missing AAs really that big of a difference?</blockquote>Do you have points in the Stamina line AA (Block harm) that gives more DA? If not, this and litany of combat will put you right at 100% +/-Do you use your DPS stance?Do you have a piece equiped with haste on it? (generally haste adds 30-40 attack speed, which is of course very beneficial to weapon based dps)What is you crit bonus, potency, DPS mod, and attack speed? Those are very important as well as DA. Keep in mind that crit bonus affects you auto attack crits as well as spells/CAsAnd finally, litany of combat can make or break you; it adds about 20% to base weapon damage and 25% DA as well as 15% to CAs. While this won't double your DPS, it should give you 25% or more...

Malicorp

04-07-2010, 02:38 PM

My high parse is 24k. I can consistently get up 10-15k dps without stampede and spike near or above the 20k mark with Stampede. A lot of this is gear, group and raid dependent. Crit bonus is your friend. Labs seems to be the best parsing area since it doesn't require a ton of healing (at least up to the Crab). Did something like 13k ZW up to the crab (17k on the fairy named that escapes me).I maintain that some mystics will be breaking 30k on some parses as dps gear gets saturated to an appropriate level for actual dps classes, if some are not already.

SonnyA

04-08-2010, 05:48 AM

Ok, I see where this is heading.No. I do not have litatany of combat. I chose to not take that particular dps AA because it would force me out of my heal stance. I hate being out of heal stance, since my spells cast so slow then.I'm capped on cast speed while in heal stance. But I haven't actually tried dps stance with all the new +casting speed items/adornments. It might not feel so bad any more. Even in dps mode, I still need to keep my group alive or I'm doing something horribly wrong.I'll experiment with Litany and dps stance. Thank for the advice.

SonnyA

04-08-2010, 02:59 PM

<cite>Hene wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite> </cite>Do you use your DPS stance?Do you have a piece equiped with haste on it? (generally haste adds 30-40 attack speed, which is of course very beneficial to weapon based dps)What is you crit bonus, potency, DPS mod, and attack speed? Those are very important as well as DA. Keep in mind that crit bonus affects you auto attack crits as well as spells/CAsAnd finally, litany of combat can make or break you; it adds about 20% to base weapon damage and 25% DA as well as 15% to CAs. While this won't double your DPS, it should give you 25% or more...</blockquote>I now respecced. These are my results.Without offensive stance and litany, selfbuffed, in my healing gear, I have 90% crit chance, 69% crit bonus, 62% potency, 1100 ability mod, 20% DA, 0 DPS mod, 16 haste (from dog). On a training dummy this gives me approx. 2300 dps.Now respecced to include litany and offensive stance, I get to 2900 dps.If I put on some dps gear (including the 2hander), I get to 71% crit chance, 63% crit bonus, 57 potency, 910 ability mod, 79% DA, 22 DPS mod, 51 haste. This makes me able to do 4050 dps on a dummy. I have no idea if this is considered good or not.But the funny thing is that the 2hander alone makes no real difference on dps. If I equip it, I lose some crit, potency and crit bonus from unequipping my 1h+shield. So a 166.2 rating 6-sec hammer (150-848 range) gives me no real benefit over the 118,8 rating enervated (both have 1.5% crit bonus adorn).I guess I'll have to experiment on dummies to find a good mix of items that keeps my crit and crit bonus high. I think those two stats are king with it comes to melee dps. Equipping items with +10 DA and Fatal Lifetap procs doesn't really do enough to justify losing potency/crit bonus/chance.But I'll be interesting to see test the dps on raids, where the numbers are quite different. Especially the crit chance boost from raids should help a lot.

Banditman

04-08-2010, 03:44 PM

Did you adorn your DPS gear? There are a number of adornments which would help you out there.

SonnyA

04-08-2010, 06:00 PM

Yeah, mostly with DA and some +crushing. but I'll take a 2nd look.

KatrinaDeath

04-08-2010, 06:23 PM

<cite>SonnyA wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hene wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite> </cite>Do you use your DPS stance?Do you have a piece equiped with haste on it? (generally haste adds 30-40 attack speed, which is of course very beneficial to weapon based dps)What is you crit bonus, potency, DPS mod, and attack speed? Those are very important as well as DA. Keep in mind that crit bonus affects you auto attack crits as well as spells/CAsAnd finally, litany of combat can make or break you; it adds about 20% to base weapon damage and 25% DA as well as 15% to CAs. While this won't double your DPS, it should give you 25% or more...</blockquote>I now respecced. These are my results.Without offensive stance and litany, selfbuffed, in my healing gear, I have 90% crit chance, 69% crit bonus, 62% potency, 1100 ability mod, 20% DA, 0 DPS mod, 16 haste (from dog). On a training dummy this gives me approx. 2300 dps.Now respecced to include litany and offensive stance, I get to 2900 dps.If I put on some dps gear (including the 2hander), I get to 71% crit chance, 63% crit bonus, 57 potency, 910 ability mod, 79% DA, 22 DPS mod, 51 haste. This makes me able to do 4050 dps on a dummy. I have no idea if this is considered good or not.But the funny thing is that the 2hander alone makes no real difference on dps. If I equip it, I lose some crit, potency and crit bonus from unequipping my 1h+shield. So a 166.2 rating 6-sec hammer (150-848 range) gives me no real benefit over the 118,8 rating enervated (both have 1.5% crit bonus adorn).I guess I'll have to experiment on dummies to find a good mix of items that keeps my crit and crit bonus high. I think those two stats are king with it comes to melee dps. Equipping items with +10 DA and Fatal Lifetap procs doesn't really do enough to justify losing potency/crit bonus/chance.But I'll be interesting to see test the dps on raids, where the numbers are quite different. Especially the crit chance boost from raids should help a lot.</blockquote>I'm not trying to toot my own horn but that seems very low to me. I was pushing 4-5k in RoK. Today I was hitting 10k in a pug.Second Thought: Are you including dogdog? He can do 1-3k depending on the group. Nothing is greater than telling the Illy to give IA to your dog since everyone else is capped.

Hene

04-08-2010, 07:23 PM

this is on a dummy; with a dirge and some other group buffs 4k solo can turn into a bit more in groups<cite>SonnyA wrote:</cite><blockquote> I now respecced. These are my results.Without offensive stance and litany, selfbuffed, in my healing gear, I have 90% crit chance, 69% crit bonus, 62% potency, 1100 ability mod, 20% DA, 0 DPS mod, 16 haste (from dog). On a training dummy this gives me approx. 2300 dps.Now respecced to include litany and offensive stance, I get to 2900 dps.If I put on some dps gear (including the 2hander), I get to 71% crit chance, 63% crit bonus, 57 potency, 910 ability mod, 79% DA, 22 DPS mod, 51 haste. This makes me able to do 4050 dps on a dummy. I have no idea if this is considered good or not.But the funny thing is that the 2hander alone makes no real difference on dps. If I equip it, I lose some crit, potency and crit bonus from unequipping my 1h+shield. So a 166.2 rating 6-sec hammer (150-848 range) gives me no real benefit over the 118,8 rating enervated (both have 1.5% crit bonus adorn).I guess I'll have to experiment on dummies to find a good mix of items that keeps my crit and crit bonus high. I think those two stats are king with it comes to melee dps. Equipping items with +10 DA and Fatal Lifetap procs doesn't really do enough to justify losing potency/crit bonus/chance.But I'll be interesting to see test the dps on raids, where the numbers are quite different. Especially the crit chance boost from raids should help a lot.</blockquote>also, with these stats, you have a lot of room for improment; nearly 80% more base attack damage, another good boost to attack speed, and you can easily top off your DA.and 100% crit chance will help a lot once you can get it up that high as well

Malicorp

04-08-2010, 11:17 PM

I have concluded that the top end parses are wholely dependent on the quality of the VC proc you have up.ZW Labs up to, but not including Wansu (all mobs/named) did 13,625, which is right around where I normally would be dps'ing here. High parse was 34,126 on the last Droag trash before the Seer. That required 50.8k (yes, thats right) procs off of VC. Crazy.

SonnyA

04-09-2010, 05:34 AM

My head is full of acronyms, but please remind me what VC is.Oh, and I don't know if 4k on a dummy is low or not. What is your single dummy parse at?I did manage to get 11k dps on a trash mob in labs. But I forgot to turn off my heal stance and it was a short fight.

Banditman

04-09-2010, 09:39 AM

Victorious Concerto. It's the proc that Bards create based on their new ability Rhythmic Overture.And yes, much of Mystic DPS is dependant on the group and raid. There really isn't a whole lot of "skill" to doing DPS. We all have the same five or six abilities and we all stand there and auto attack. That's it. Not a lot of rocket science.

Malicorp

04-10-2010, 03:02 AM

<cite>SonnyA wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, and I don't know if 4k on a dummy is low or not. What is your single dummy parse at?</blockquote>Never really done much training dummy parsing, but since you asked for it, I did a handful tonight solo. With Stampede, high parse was 12,444 dps. Without Stampede, high parse was 6,432.Stats are not ideal for parsing since I leave a hybrid heal/dps set on all the time.Crit: 96.8%Crit Bonus: 77.5%Potency: 56.2%Ability mod: 1063Flurry: 2%DPS: 12Haste Mod: 56DA: 48 w/o Rage... area where I need most improvement)Used Nanthera's Yuri [6s, 151-858]

Yongqi

04-10-2010, 01:42 PM

Debase have you seen flurry go off yet?? I was looking at adding that adorn or the Sweeping swings for the AE autoattack.

Malicorp

04-12-2010, 08:43 AM

<cite>Yongqi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Debase have you seen flurry go off yet?? I was looking at adding that adorn or the Sweeping swings for the AE autoattack.</blockquote>Yeah, I see Flurries, but they're definitely rare (as that 2% would indicate). I've never bothered to calculate whether its really 2%, but I definitely see them.On a related note, I could really go for a McFlurry.

SonnyA

04-12-2010, 11:41 AM

Ok, I got some better dps items now. During last labs run, I found myself at 100% crit, 92% DA, ~60 bonus, 51 haste. I even made a brellium strength ring for some extra dps.On average I think I did 10-12k dps. I peaked at 24k dps (stampede and probably VC) and when I had to break dps'ing to debuff or heal my dps dropped to 6-7k.This is in line with where I wanted to be. So O-stance helps a lot and ofcourse being at 100% crit helps the autoattacks a lot.Thanks for all the great input.

Banditman

05-06-2010, 01:39 PM

Well, here's a revelation: Dogdog = DPS.I know!I was really struggling to hit 10-12k in raids. Oh, I could do it. I could even do some light to moderate healing while doing that, but I *really* had to pay attention. Last night, for whatever reason, I had my completely un-AA'ed dog up. No STR line, no Ancient Pedigree. Somehow, he managed to survive a few AE's in the beginning parts of Perah'Celsis Lab. Not sure why to be totally honest, but he lived.I had numerous 15k parses, a couple 17's and one 19 that almost went 20. This is a very "static" group, not only the same classes, but the same players every single raid. The difference is dogdog. He's up there proc'ing VC, PoM, Stampede . . . all that stuff. It really adds up.Now I'm trying to figure out how to get Ritual of Alacrity, Tribal Rage and Spiritual Foresight. *sigh*

SonnyA

05-07-2010, 03:34 AM

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now I'm trying to figure out how to get Ritual of Alacrity, Tribal Rage and Spiritual Foresight. *sigh*</blockquote>Try this out. Works for me.<img src="http://www.raids.dk/pics/shaman100aa.jpg" width="645" height="596" />

Banditman

05-07-2010, 10:19 AM

That's similar to what I had in mind, but being saddled with debt perma parked at 50% while we work on HM encounters is really slowing down my AA gain.I'm going to try <a href="http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/?d02m148a14a811@348a1@588@2212a555@155@15@15555555 2@6111@355@2121d@455@25@25@6555@25@3511" target="_blank">this</a> when GU56 hits, with the eventual goal being something like <a href="http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/?d02n148a14a811@348a11@488@2212h555@155@15@1555555 54@6111@2555@2121u@455@25@25@21@1555551@155@2511" target="_blank">this</a>.

Ratman12345

06-20-2010, 07:24 AM

sort of a late responce to the thread but all you guys worring about your Star of Malice....have no fear! the Cloak of Crystalline Depths is here!!!!fury in my guild got it with the marks and got a star too...we tested on an epic dummy...and both could be up at same time but they both call the same stuffso pretty much 6 lil buggers spamming the 104 dmg wards lol....but figured id say somethingi know im going to be dropping my star for the cloak when i get the marks :'( i know sad day, its been at my side through countless battles but its time to upgrade lol

Banditman

06-21-2010, 10:38 AM

I don't think anyone is really worried about the Star of Malice.The original "issue" with the Star of Malice was that it was off hand only. Thus, a Mystic trying to DPS was gimping himself by using it, since he was forced to forgo the 2H weapon that yielded maximum damage output. If you were in "Healing" mode, there were better items than the Star of Malice.Oh, I had a Star of Malice. I just couldn't really find any situations where it stood out as the best choice. It was sort of a "middle" ground item . . . which I hate.Yes, the cloak is "nice", but if that's "your thing", why not use both?

Shredderr

08-06-2010, 02:26 AM

<cite>Chidori@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Looted aITEM 849102555 -1522223285:Nanthera's Ivory Bladed Yuri/a thinking I may have found something interesting to play with even though there is no wis on it. Turns out to be slashing damage even though it is usable by shaman... so I have been unable to test it. Have petitioned and /bugged it in hopes they can change the damage to piercing and change the agi to wis. The appearance on it is amazing none-the-less.<img src="http://www.eq2revelations.com/revftp/chidori/yuri.jpg" width="308" height="596" /></blockquote>this is one of the fighters best 2 handers the best w/o going in a x4 to get it , to change the agility wouldnt kill it for fighters but as it stands there is no 2 hander better for brawlers that i have found .