dartain left ultera before the spires?

[shadowscale]

<p>one of the quests in painel says that dartan made it out of the hole, then was exiled and went back, going to assume this is when he made his fortress, but then after odius shifted to ultera he came out again and warned the erudites about the seal breaking, then he left again... and apparently ended up in neriak sometime around RoK time for the necro epic. far before there was any new contact with odius and rebuilding the spires.</p><p>how the heck did he pull that off?</p>

[teddyboy4]

<p>We've known, or at least strongly suspected, that the Erudites were able to teleport around Norrath since KoS when there were multiple instances of Erudites teleporting themselves around, and I believe one even says he was going home or to Odus or some such before porting off. So if they could port themselves from KoS to Odus, I see no reason to think they couldn't teleport to other places.</p>

[Pahya]

<p>I'm really not as up to snuff with the lore surrounding Erudites/Odus as I should be (Hardly played EQ1, sadly). Can anyone suggest some links to catch up on just who Al'Kabor and Dartain are? I've a rough idea, but not nearly solid enough to take part in discussions. </p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Al'Kabor is pretty much the most powerful Erudite and/or Wizard in Norrath's existence. He really didn't play any big parts in the lore though.</p><p>Dartain on the other hand, helped save the Heretics when they originally built Paineel inside the whole. When they breached the seal leading to the Underfoot, they unleashed Master Yael and his elemental forces. Dartain and a handful of others held them back while the residents fled above ground. Dartain sacrificed himself by sealing up the breach, taking Master Yael back into the Underfoot along with him, where he would remain indeffinitly..</p><p>I guess he somehow got out..</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I guess he somehow got out..</p></blockquote><p>yah its explaned he excaped again sometime later, but then was exiled from painel for being to powerful so he went and built his fortress in the hole, only leaveing it after the shift to ultera to warn painel about the damage to the seal. but its not mentiond how he got from ultera to neriak before the spires were rebuilt.</p>

[Elepian]

<p>So did Al'Kabor and Dartain Fuse together, thus making him the Duality? Or was it Al'kabor and Miragul (dear god I hope not ) ?  Dartain and Al'Kabor both have some nobility to one another's character so it wouldn't be entirely a bad thing if it were the two of them.  Both of them together would have the power to face Miragul and maybe even El'urad.  Heart of the matter is that its now Norrath against Theer.  We have to be willing to face that possibility as iirc... Both The Claymore ( Stolen by the Spirit of Kane Bayle possessing Murrar'Shar ( Order of Marr member) and The Soulfire Blade ( Stolen by one of D'lere's own Lucanic Knights,  A female if i remember... )  are missing in action.  Yet more lore surrounding the want of freeing Theer keeps coming about and its with different individuals that are sharing the same aspirations.  Some of them are extremely powerful individuals Such as El'urad.  </p>

[shadowscale]

<p>dartain fused with alkabor? now im even more confused how he ended up in neriak...</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Elepian@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So did Al'Kabor and Dartain Fuse together, thus making him the Duality? Or was it Al'kabor and Miragul (dear god I hope not ) ?  Dartain and Al'Kabor both have some nobility to one another's character so it wouldn't be entirely a bad thing if it were the two of them.  Both of them together would have the power to face Miragul and maybe even El'urad.  Heart of the matter is that its now Norrath against Theer.  We have to be willing to face that possibility as iirc... Both The Claymore ( Stolen by the Spirit of Kane Bayle possessing Murrar'Shar ( Order of Marr member) and The Soulfire Blade ( Stolen by one of D'lere's own Lucanic Knights,  A female if i remember... )  are missing in action.  Yet more lore surrounding the want of freeing Theer keeps coming about and its with different individuals that are sharing the same aspirations.  Some of them are extremely powerful individuals Such as El'urad.</p></blockquote><p> Hmm I don't think it has been found why Al'kabor and Dartain are "fused" yet ... and I don't think Al'kabor would have much trouble beating the living heck out of El'Arad if he wanted to =p</p>

[Greyquill]

<p>Pure speculation here, but this wouldn't be the first time that a particular class' Epic progression has had larger repercussions on the Lore of Norrath, i.e. the death of the Foci Opal Darkbriar during the assassin quest. I suspect that by killing Dartain in the Library of K'lorn to progress the necromancer epic we, and I mean you ambitious necros, somehow set in motion the events that would lead to his eventual melding with Al'Kabor. As to how he got out of the Vault? We're told he escaped to warn Paineel of the damage to the Seal then headed off to parts unknown... Neriak... only to die at the hands of Boblikesdeadthings The Necromancer looking for the bones of Vazelle. If Miragul has taught us anything it should be that dead Erudite necromancers are far more of a pain the rear than living ones. Now the question is what has Dartain done to himself, or become, in order to effect his miraculous ressurection. Centuries of living on the threshold of the Underfoot, siphoning the essence of numerous elementals to remain spry, has to have had a major impact on him, his soul.</p><p>What I don't really know is how Al'Kabor got dragged into all this craziness. I was operating under the impression that this mage was ancient in the extreme and loooooong since gone on to greener pastures. Wasn't Al'Kabor an apprentice to Erud himself? Much like Miragul? The only thing I can see having happened is that Dartain is a lich of some variety. His soul's return to its phylactry in the Outer Vault somehow brought the soul of Al'Kabor with it. They become mingled in the ether and incarnate together thanks to the interference of being in Ultera. Hilarity ensues.</p><p>Again, pure speculation since I haven't gotten far in the new signature quest and have yet to see any raid content lore.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Greyquill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I suspect that by killing Dartain in the Library of K'lorn to progress the necromancer epic we, and I mean you ambitious necros, somehow set in motion the events that would lead to his eventual melding with Al'Kabor.</p></blockquote><p>we never killed dartain... he duels us to test us yes, but we just get him to about 10% and then he stops combat and says we passed. and the quest even states he was holding back. hes even the start, and end, of the mythical quest. but he still never dies.</p>

[Elepian]

<p>Something came to mind while I was doing the quests for the necromancers Guild in SF expansion.  When you start the quests you are sent out to the highlands I believe, to speak with an apprentice Necromancer that is asking you to bring him a prowler, kill it, then resurrect it.  Then you have to "practice" Ressurecting and killing these bones of dead prowlers.  After completing this portion you are asked to find his master, you find his master, he wants to test you and you fight him and the battle. In this battle, you kill him and fail in your attempt to ressurect him.   Do you think this could have any significance to Dartain?  I wouldn't discount the possibility of him being a Lich as it is not entirely unheard of for powerful Necromancers to find a way to keep themselves in the world of the living. </p>

[shadowscale]

<p>him being a lich still dosent explane how he got out of ultera before the spires were upgraded.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>him being a lich still dosent explane how he got out of ultera before the spires were upgraded.</p></blockquote><p>It also doesn't explain all the quell-thulians in kingdom of sky, Moors of Yekesha and the ones that lead the rebuilding and attuning of the spires all over Norrath.</p><p>Lets just assume they learned enough about teleportation to be able to move themselves between Ulteria and Norrath before SF and the spires were re-attuned so the Euradites in Paineel could get some help stopping El'Arad's forces from bringing about the destruction of Norrath, k?</p>

[teddyboy4]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>him being a lich still dosent explane how he got out of ultera before the spires were upgraded.</p></blockquote><p>It also doesn't explain all the quell-thulians in kingdom of sky, Moors of Yekesha and the ones that lead the rebuilding and attuning of the spires all over Norrath.</p><p>Lets just assume they learned enough about teleportation to be able to move themselves between Ulteria and Norrath before SF and the spires were re-attuned so the Euradites in Paineel could get some help stopping El'Arad's forces from bringing about the destruction of Norrath, k?</p></blockquote><p>No need to assume, we know how they got themselves around Norrath.  We have known that they have been able to teleport themselves around Norrath since as early as KoS.</p><p>Remember in KoS, there are multiple instances of Erudites teleporting around, and one Erudite in particular even specifically says that he is going home to Odus before he teleports himself away. I think that sufficientely explains the Erudite prescence all around Norrath.</p>

[Wilin]

<p><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Remember in KoS, there are multiple instances of Erudites teleporting around, and one Erudite in particular even specifically says that he is going home to Odus before he teleports himself away. I think that sufficientely explains the Erudite prescence all around Norrath.</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Arcanist_Nazoor" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Arcanist_Nazoor</a></p><p>The information on teleporting for this quest was obtained from the Vaults of El'Arad. And we now know a little more about El'Arad.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>him being a lich still dosent explane how he got out of ultera before the spires were upgraded.</p></blockquote><p>It also doesn't explain all the quell-thulians in kingdom of sky, Moors of Yekesha and the ones that lead the rebuilding and attuning of the spires all over Norrath.</p><p>Lets just assume they learned enough about teleportation to be able to move themselves between Ulteria and Norrath before SF and the spires were re-attuned so the Euradites in Paineel could get some help stopping El'Arad's forces from bringing about the destruction of Norrath, k?</p></blockquote><p>No need to assume, we know how they got themselves around Norrath.  We have known that they have been able to teleport themselves around Norrath since as early as KoS.</p><p>Remember in KoS, there are multiple instances of Erudites teleporting around, and one Erudite in particular even specifically says that he is going home to Odus before he teleports himself away. I think that sufficientely explains the Erudite prescence all around Norrath.</p></blockquote><p>Until specifically told that they were using teleporation spells instead of say the combine spire system or they were able to access some kind of portal in KoS before they could learn to teleport back and forth...it is all assumption.</p><p>Most of what we take for granted in Lore is an assumption. I think it is important to remember that, especially when new evidence arrises in game that challenges these assumptions that most people take (now) as fact.</p>