Tallon Zek invading The Vigilant

[Putyo]

<p>If you havent run the Vigilant instances in paineel I would reccommend doing so. It is basically an airship high above Odus being attacked. The mobs have varitions of "Tallon" in there names, Tallonzite etc etc. The models seriously remind me of EQ1, I believe the mobs in there are actually smaller versions of Tallon Zek's EQ1 model, many of them carry bows as well. I skipped through the dialog of the first quests but the quests in the 2nd zone offer no explaination of whats going on other then them never seeing the species that is invading The Vigilant.</p><p>This is pretty interesting, I'm current on the 3rd instance (Rescue) but the last named enjoys bugging out and porting way to much. After you finish all 3 zones you unlock the x2 and hopefully get some more lore, If you know anything or find out more, post it imo!</p>

[BleemTeam]

<p>3 Bastion Mages are captured in the x2.</p><p>You fight your way thru the whole ship (all 3 heroic zones combined) and eventually free them. But the final named kinda glitched on us, so wasn't able to see the final dialogues yet</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>The Tallonites definitely resemble Tallon Zek, there's no denying the similarity. They also appear to be extra-dimensional beings: in the zones when you approach their spawn points, a portal appears and they materialize through it.</p><p>It definitely sounds like Tallon Zek's army is invading through the Plane of War.</p>

[ThomasCH]

<p>I always thought the whole lore thing of the Zek brothers was awesome. I would love to see more of that!</p>

[Anestacia]

<p>This is amazing.  I personally have only run the first zone but I too noticed the similarity between the mobs there and Tallon.  So we have Erollisi's Death, Mithaniel's retreat to "Defend Valor" (or whatever), Morell Thule's awakening, Rohen's drama and now Tallon's forces.  We are headed in the right direction for a Planes expansion imo.  I think the gods will have to, reluctantly, let us back into thier planes but this time instead of defeating them we will have to help them.  At least I hope this is leading up to something big;  otherwise it will be extremely anti-climatic.</p><p>Edit: Oh yeah, and the Plane of the Underfoot Influence too.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is amazing.  I personally have only run the first zone but I too noticed the similarity between the mobs there and Tallon.  So we have Erollisi's Death, Mithaniel's retreat to "Defend Valor" (or whatever), Morell Thule's awakening, Rohen's drama and now Tallon's forces.  We are headed in the right direction for a Planes expansion imo.  I think the gods will have to, reluctantly, let us back into thier planes but this time instead of defeating them we will have to help them.  At least I hope this is leading up to something big;  otherwise it will be extremely anti-climatic.</p></blockquote><p>The planes could be done well as an expansion, but it needs to be done where you choose a side and help the dieties. If EQ2 repeats the "Adventurers vs all the gods" storyline...that would just be a second great opportunity missed.</p><p>Joining the Armies of Mithanial Marr, or Rallos Zek, or Innorruuk, or fighting in the name of Cazic...those could be great. It would be even better if you could pick and choose which dieties to support individually and fight some of their "allies" if you chose to. Just because you are devoted to Rallos Zek and Cazic Thule doesn't mean you couldn't decide that Innorruuk is a coward and kick his teeth in. You may be devoted to Tunare but despise Mithanial Marr's narrow vision of "good" behavior.</p><p>Lots of factions working against each other, lots of raiding opportunities, tons of room for more Lore about the dieties we worship but often don't have a lot of information on them. Karana is a very good example of this. Honestly, how many stories do you know where Karana does something? Why does he do things? Karana worshipers have little to go from, not like with Innorruuk who seems to be involved in half of the diety stories out there.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>Speaking as a Tunarian that found the Frogloks of Marr in Sebilis to be complete cowards, and has no real love of Mithaniel, I support this one. Personally I would have perfered thier'd been at least some Deity specific choice for the 'Epic' weapon...I'm so sick of all my paladin specific quests seeming to revolve around the Truthbringer. I bet there are plenty of SKs sick of every SK quest working around Inny too.</p><p>Inny is involved in half the storylines because unlike the other 'evil' gods, he has no patience. Rallos knows the value to strategy, planning and waiting. Cazic seems to use only the barest hints of his displeasure to inspire the Fear he feeds on...which is a good strategy. Anashti...well she's preoccupied with Rodcet right now. Bertox is more then content to work through mortal pawns, and let them succeed and fail as adventurers fight. after all, even a corpse works for Bert.</p><p>Inny though...he wants things, and he wants them NOW. Hate and envy make him rather covetous, and he wants anything and everything other deities have and wants it right away...though he has long standing apparent personal grudge matches with Mithaniel and Tunare.</p><p>Though this thought occurs to me:</p><p>Tallon Zek may NOT be invading Norrath as a precursor to war with mortals. He's probably working with Vallon and Rallos to take teh Vigilant to use it in a fight against the coming of Theer. Sounds like something rallos would do. take the worlds biggest most powerful airship, and use it as a weapon against the Erudian Palace where Theer is attempting to manifest himself from the Void. blow up his gateway in through a preemptive strike.</p><p>Of course we mortals wouldn't see it that way. we'd see the Tallonites invading Norrath through the Vigilant.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Having a Planes expansion would just repeat history. All this interaction with the gods is a good thing, but that doesn't mean we *HAVE* to interact with the gods. We can fight them for their loots just fine on Norrath.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Having a Planes expansion would just repeat history. All this interaction with the gods is a good thing, but that doesn't mean we *HAVE* to interact with the gods. We can fight them for their loots just fine on Norrath.</p></blockquote><p>Everything in this game is repeating history.  What makes EQ2 good (for me at least) is going back to places I have visted in the past to see how the 500 years has changed it.  The same would apply here, thus why in my initial post I suggested the scenario this time would be that we HELP the gods not try and destroy them again (I.E. repeating history).</p>

[Urgol]

>>> found the Frogloks of Marr in Sebilis to be complete cowards, They belong to Bertoxxulos now. And it has always amazed me how childish and naive the 'good' gods are. Tunare mainly. Actually to save the nature you'd better eradicate the humanity, not teach ppl and try to proclaim druidic principals.

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Urgol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>>>> found the Frogloks of Marr in Sebilis to be complete cowards, They belong to Bertoxxulos now. And it has always amazed me how childish and naive the 'good' gods are. Tunare mainly. Actually to save the nature you'd better eradicate the humanity, not teach ppl and try to proclaim druidic principals.</blockquote><p>The faction description says that but they mention Marr waaaaaaaaaay too much.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Vaedaer@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Urgol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>>>> found the Frogloks of Marr in Sebilis to be complete cowards, They belong to Bertoxxulos now. And it has always amazed me how childish and naive the 'good' gods are. Tunare mainly. Actually to save the nature you'd better eradicate the humanity, not teach ppl and try to proclaim druidic principals.</blockquote><p>The faction description says that but they mention Marr waaaaaaaaaay too much.</p></blockquote><p>The froglok faction out in Kunzar Jungle itself clearly says Bertoxxulous though.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vaedaer@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Urgol wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>>>> found the Frogloks of Marr in Sebilis to be complete cowards, They belong to Bertoxxulos now. And it has always amazed me how childish and naive the 'good' gods are. Tunare mainly. Actually to save the nature you'd better eradicate the humanity, not teach ppl and try to proclaim druidic principals.</blockquote><p>The faction description says that but they mention Marr waaaaaaaaaay too much.</p></blockquote><p>The froglok faction out in Kunzar Jungle itself clearly says Bertoxxulous though.</p></blockquote><p>Thats exactly what I meant, the Synod Reet says they are follower of Bertox but they are always praising Marr.</p>

[BleemTeam]

<p>if you look at the rallosian invasion as an upcoming event, rather than a past event... where would that fall in our 'so-called' shissar calander...</p>

[Triasa]

<p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if you look at the rallosian invasion as an upcoming event, rather than a past event... where would that fall in our 'so-called' shissar calander...</p></blockquote><p>Bottom-left corner.  The prevailing theory on that symbol is that it's tied to Rallos Zek - and it's seen in various places in EQ1 and EQ2 associated with the Rallosian races, most specifically the Orcs.  The only place in EQ2 I can think of off the top of my head where I've seen it is on the path to Crushbone, but there are a few threads in here with locations and screenshots.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if you look at the rallosian invasion as an upcoming event, rather than a past event... where would that fall in our 'so-called' shissar calander...</p></blockquote><p>Bottom-left corner.  The prevailing theory on that symbol is that it's tied to Rallos Zek - and it's seen in various places in EQ1 and EQ2 associated with the Rallosian races, most specifically the Orcs.  The only place in EQ2 I can think of off the top of my head where I've seen it is on the path to Crushbone, but there are a few threads in here with locations and screenshots.</p></blockquote><p>The ogres had a shrine out in the Feerrott covered with Rallos Zek's symbol as well.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>Do the paladin epic. the frogloks in the special instance are most DEFINATELY followers of Mith Marr, not bertox. and when the Sebilisain's find them as part of the instance, they run away and leave you to deal with the invading iksars to their camp. Several of them praise marr in the camp, and do things in the name of marr. reall I think they only indication they have been influenced by Bert is the necro types and the 4 from the warlock epic that tried to use Bert to strike the iksar.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Do the paladin epic. the frogloks in the special instance are most DEFINATELY followers of Mith Marr, not bertox. and when the Sebilisain's find them as part of the instance, they run away and leave you to deal with the invading iksars to their camp. Several of them praise marr in the camp, and do things in the name of marr. reall I think they only indication they have been influenced by Bert is the necro types and the 4 from the warlock epic that tried to use Bert to strike the iksar.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly, I hated the faction work for my paladin's epic but all the darn frogs are "praise be marr" or something similar, it made me wonder why the faction says they follow bertox.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Having a Planes expansion would just repeat history. All this interaction with the gods is a good thing, but that doesn't mean we *HAVE* to interact with the gods. We can fight them for their loots just fine on Norrath.</p></blockquote><p>I'd be just as happy to fight for a diety on Norrath as in the planes. Just make a bunch of temples and start giving quests to screw over their enemies. Maybe even some PvP battlegrounds with quest objectives? Bonus points for not letting the enemy complete their objective.</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p>I'm curious if they are tied to the Order of Rime honestly, or more so the two parties have a common link. Velious had a heavy Zek presence, to the point of the entire Zek triumvirate seemingly favoring the city of Kael Drakkel above all other possible holdings. Perhaps with the changes of the Planes came a stronger, possibly more physical presence of the twins along with papa Rallos on the icy continent?</p><p>It could make sense, considering the prominent presence of giant-like beings with a penchant for hostile invasion leading the incursion into Kunark. Perhaps Velious has become one large continent of War?</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>they are definately from the plane of war, every named npc has something they say about War as a place, not an action. one of the named Tallonites in the 3rd instance claims that we 'will not stop them from finding what they came for' and we know the Gruengrach are here because some fool Erudite summoned legions of them to be his personal servants and they revolted...leading to said mage being killed.</p><p>Wouldn't surprise me that some other fool erudite took something from War or something planar to get the attention of the Zek family. but whatever it is they are after, it seems to be on the Vigilant. the same named claims that they will keep coming back, the ship is thiers as well. makes me think somethign on the Vigilant (maybe a powersource?) or something that the Vigilant would be a BIG help in getting is why they are there.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p>It seems the Zek's are taking an active role in Norrath again.  Sullonites (Sullon Zek, the Mistress of Rage) help in Munzok's Material Bastion, and now we have Tallonites (Tallon Zek, the Beholder of Battle).  I suppose it's only a matter of time before we see Vallonites (Vallon Zek, Governor of War), and probably the Daiku and Decorin (Rallos Zek's elites from Drunder, the Plane of War in EQ1.  PoP Era, they're Canon!)</p>

[Wluil]

<p>After finishing the "Rescue" version of these zones, the progressionary quest giver says something in his dialogue about the Vigilant "not being an ordinary airship" and mentions giving you the translated notes you picked up from the 2nd instance. When I did this, I didn't receive the translated notes. I /bug-ed it assuming it was an error given it wasn't too far from launch week when we did the zones.</p><p>Did any one else receive a book, or some kind of readable translated notes after finishing "Rescue"? It's been eating at me for some time what could be in them. </p>

[Ristan]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>they are definately from the plane of war, every named npc has something they say about War as a place, not an action. one of the named Tallonites in the 3rd instance claims that we 'will not stop them from finding what they came for' and we know the Gruengrach are here because some fool Erudite summoned legions of them to be his personal servants and they revolted...leading to said mage being killed.</p><p>Wouldn't surprise me that some other fool erudite took something from War or something planar to get the attention of the Zek family. but whatever it is they are after, it seems to be on the Vigilant. the same named claims that they will keep coming back, the ship is thiers as well. makes me think somethign on the Vigilant (maybe a powersource?) or something that the Vigilant would be a BIG help in getting is why they are there.</p></blockquote><p>well...I'm new to lore..but isn't Soulfire from the avatar of war? After the battle outside freeport Lucan took the sword?...and it so happens theres some drama going on with Lucan and soulfire, and some chick having to do with the void has it now?</p><p>I understand that the swords have avatar personas...and maybe I'm wrong but if the Zek guys had the sword again would they in theory have control of <span >Theer's Aeteok Avatar which is the personafication of soulfire?</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>The Avatar of War stole it from the paladins who reclaimed it from Lucan, who originally stole it from it's previous owner before him.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>Lucan didn't have Soulfire in EQ1....he was looking for it though. that's why he had Zimmel locked up in the freeport jails becuase Zimmel had information on it's whereabouts and wouldn't tell him. we do claim part of it when we defeat Lucan in EQ1, when you give his testimony to the Knights of Truth they give you a glemaing sword that is used by that guy in splitpaw...Brother something or other to 'remake' Soulfire.</p><p>but yeah later we give it to Inte in PoS to get Fiery defender...then in Eq2 apparently Inte lost it to the AoW who lost it to Lucan at the Battle of Defiance...who lost it to Opal Who sent it to D'vinn who lost it to Mayong who lost it to us and we gave it back to Lucan who lost it again to Tayil who sent it to Theer.</p><p>Man that sword does get around, don't it.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Thanks for the clarification.</p>

[Vortexelemental]

<p><cite>Wluil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>After finishing the "Rescue" version of these zones, the progressionary quest giver says something in his dialogue about the Vigilant "not being an ordinary airship" and mentions giving you the translated notes you picked up from the 2nd instance. When I did this, I didn't receive the translated notes. I /bug-ed it assuming it was an error given it wasn't too far from launch week when we did the zones.</p><p>Did any one else receive a book, or some kind of readable translated notes after finishing "Rescue"? It's been eating at me for some time what could be in them. </p></blockquote><p>Anyone have any more information regarding this? Inquisitive book collectors want to know.</p>

[Trevalon]

<p>In case you wanted to know how the Paladin's got Soulfire in original EQ lore, they stole it from a ranger named Aradune Mithara...</p><p><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>(Go look it up if you dont remember Cusa, I dont want you to bust a blood vessel or anything...)</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>hey just because the dev had it first on thier ranger doesn't mean we stole it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In case you wanted to know how the Paladin's got Soulfire in original EQ lore, they stole it from a ranger named Aradune Mithara...</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>(Go look it up if you dont remember Cusa, I dont want you to bust a blood vessel or anything...)</p></blockquote><p>I remember Brad McQuaid's character "Aradune" just fine, thank you. The game made a big deal about the Soulfire since it was practically the first particle weapon in the game, and only he had it.</p>

[Trevalon]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>In case you wanted to know how the Paladin's got Soulfire in original EQ lore, they stole it from a ranger named Aradune Mithara...</p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>(Go look it up if you dont remember Cusa, I dont want you to bust a blood vessel or anything...)</p></blockquote><p>I remember Brad McQuaid's character "Aradune" just fine, thank you. The game made a big deal about the Soulfire since it was practically the first particle weapon in the game, and only he had it.</p></blockquote><p>lol, just giving ya a hard time, I knew you would remember.</p><p>I actually go to see Aradune back in EQ1.  I remember running through Blackburrow about a month or two after EQ's release in march of 99 and when I got to the top there was this Half elf ranger in Ivy Etched armor with a glowing sword.  I remember I stopped and commented on the sword, something about it being cool and asked where he got it.  I believe he said something like he got it from some powerful gods or something to those lines.</p><p>Heh, Just funny how that works out - was a long time ago, was kinda neat though - I didnt know for a good year or two later that it was actually Brad McQuaid lol (I was only 15 at the time, young and naive lol)</p>