Seeress Ealaynya Ithis's Prophecies: Book One [Archive]

Maergoth

02-19-2010, 11:56 AM

The contested lady..^Would probably be Ulkorruuk. The deepwater knights were betrayed by the city of Erudin and I'm sure she took notice.If the magics of mythical prestige..^ Obviously we're breaking our mythicals and stealing their power.Mortal and god..^ Theer reference, he seems to be quite the manipulator.Deceptions envelop..^ Someone's looking for Enoxus and AeteokThe Expanse..^ Odus' disappearing trick put them dangerously close to the void. The plane of the underfoot was also teleported in part. The underfoot is trying to consume Odus, as well as the void. If the void ends up with easy access to the underfoot, they could invade or they could both collapse on themselves and pretty much destroy anything linked to them.Sister's daughter..^No clue.Dead falls..^Paineel..A paw..^Mystical Claws of JoJo HQ?Nothing has found..^Theer againMore cryptic than prophetic.. they don't leave much room for imagination.

Rezikai

02-19-2010, 12:20 PM

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>The contested lady..^Would probably be Ulkorruuk. The deepwater knights were betrayed by the city of Erudin and I'm sure she took notice.If the magics of mythical prestige..^ Obviously we're breaking our mythicals and stealing their power.Mortal and god..^ Theer reference, he seems to be quite the manipulator.Deceptions envelop..^ Someone's looking for Enoxus and AeteokThe Expanse..^ Odus' disappearing trick put them dangerously close to the void. The plane of the underfoot was also teleported in part. The underfoot is trying to consume Odus, as well as the void. If the void ends up with easy access to the underfoot, they could invade or they could both collapse on themselves and pretty much destroy anything linked to them.Sister's daughter..^No clue.Dead falls..^Paineel..A paw..^Mystical Claws of JoJo HQ?Nothing has found..^Theer againMore cryptic than prophetic.. they don't leave much room for imagination.</blockquote>Hmmm the paw might be in refrence to Muar,... or something the do with the HQ in SF, Paw of Opolla.

Lodrelhai

02-19-2010, 12:21 PM

The shame of the Deepwater Knights could be a few things, I think, depending on viewpoint.1) Old Erudite view: they were the ones who, as a group, did not support the grand work of building a new nexus. For all we know this may even be a current view. Certainly there seem to be plenty of Erudites willing to downplay the mass destruction that was caused and concentrate on the success of a functional teleportation network.2) Deepwater Knights of the past view, they - erm, actually, this might be a bit of a spoiler. They took measures they felt were necessary, and ended up falling into a trap.3) Current Deepwater Knights view: If you go to the Palace of Erudin, there are undead Deepwater Knights walking around the front room. If you get off the zone-in pedestal and step too close to one of them, they will attack you - even though they con indifferent. When they do, they will also say they are forced to do this, and beg you to stop them before they are forced to kill you.The "city of free men" and "5 seen and 5 unseen" prophecies are both about the Will of a Tyrant world event, the latter being the council that advises Antonia. I think "5 seen and 5 unseen" is actually a direct quote from one of the quest dialogues.The sister's daughter - I have a small suspicion (probably wrong) this refers to Ulloruuk or however her name is spelled. How this ties in to current events or why I suspect what I do is sort of hard to explain. But the idea has been haunting me that either Erollisi reborn or whatever form her essence takes to return to Norrath will be a factor in the final destiny of Theer, and of Norrath. And Ulloruuk, having been a paladin of Erollisi, could be considered a daughter of hers. She also betrayed Erollisi; similarly, the gods betrayed Theer, who was to have governed them. There might be some lesson to come from there. Theer seeks vengeance for what they did, but I don't thhink that's something Erollisi would ever do, take vengeance on someone who hurt her. Maybe there's some point where Erollisi has the chance - or we learn she had it in the past? Maybe Theer gets a chance to learn from her example?Yeah, I know, it sounds dumb spelled out. Moving on...City of pain as Paineel seems prett obvious. Expanse pulled by nothing (the Void) and rooted in stone (the Hole, entry to the Underfoot) - ie, Odus. Hands of the sentinel probably refers to the swords - it mentions in the 5 and 5 one that the "hands are taken", so this would be continuation of the same naming convention. Deceptions enveloping the well-meaning? I'd figure the well-meaning are us, the deceptions are... well, take your pick, it's almost impossible to get a straight answer from anyone in these gods-cursed zones. Might also refer to how El'Arad basically lead the combined city councils to practically destroying themselves and their home. But who is the woken one? My first thought it Kerafyrm; will we be seeing what actually happened to him?Mortal and god all be his pawn - first is that a typo that it's missing an s? As for who's playing them, the possibilities are endless. Completely random money on Al'Kabor, simply because Maergoth was teasing us with the screenshot and hints that there's interesting information about him.For the last one, I really, really would love to see the quest dialogues and such for some of the quests to convert the mythicals right about now...

Loxus

02-19-2010, 12:28 PM

Sounds like the basic plot is "someone" i'm assuming Lucan, is attempting to absorb the powers of both the Claymore and the Soulblade which would overthrow the balance that the Nameless and Theer created, giving one being supreme rule over Norrath and the Gods themselves.My guess is Theer isn't going to be the end mob, it's gonna be Lucan, and he's using us to get Theer out of the way.could it be that Anashti made some kind of pact with Lucan? Maybe Anashti wanted us to kill her.And the 5 seen and 5 unseen refer to the gods that orginally had influence on Norrath in the beginning.

tkia

02-19-2010, 01:30 PM

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sister's daughter..^No clue.</blockquote>Antonia, who is about to run off and rescue Lucan.<blockquote>A paw..^Mystical Claws of JoJo HQ?</blockquote>Didn't I read somewhere that the Paw Of Oppolla has been added as one of the HQs?

Tuppen

02-19-2010, 02:34 PM

Did we ever discover who it was that we helped awaken in the world event? Would that be the "woken one"?

Xalmat

02-19-2010, 02:38 PM

Morell Thule.

Eriol

02-19-2010, 02:51 PM

<cite>tkia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sister's daughter..^No clue.</blockquote>Antonia, who is about to run off and rescue Lucan.</blockquote>I agree with this. IIRC Antonia was born among the Sisters of Erollisi and came to Qeynos later, and the dead one being freed is EASILY a reference to Lucan. In the "Qeynos side" quests, she's definitely advocating for trying to get Lucan freed and back in control of freeport, so that entire section is explained except for the "destiny" part. But that is like a reference to one or both of the "swords of destiny" and so it'll be QC or SF. Which? Likely QC IMO, but you never know.Basically, Antonia hasn't been much of an "actor" in events throughout the game (and Lucan hadn't really been either, but still slightly more). Maybe this is the time where she will be.

BleemTeam

02-19-2010, 07:54 PM

Death Falls - Freeport.The Five seen and five unseen rally - Antonia's Council. They are going to save Lucan when the *Hands of Theer* are stolen.Sister's daughter - ?Mortal and god - Theer's pawns.Contested lady - could be the new dragon. Vasty Matriarch?Magics of mythical - get new 90 myths and prepare to fight theerthat which is to come - prevent ages endnothing has found - theer returnspaw - paw of opallathe expanse - ulteriadestruction - paineeldeceptions - ?

Triasa

02-20-2010, 03:58 AM

"Deceptions envelop the well meaning as the hands of the sentinel are sought by the woken one."Seeing as how the Cult of the Awakened has already stolen the Claymore once, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say this is referring to Kerafyrm. The Morell Thule possibility is interesting though... after all, we were certainly "well meaning" when we woke him up. No idea why he'd be seeking the swords, though.

Meirril

02-20-2010, 06:03 AM

Death falls... I agree that this refers to the kidnapping of Lucan D'leer in the last world event.The Five... Again, obviously a refrence to the council of 10 we saw in the world event.The sister's daughter... Antonia's decleration that Lucan D'leer be found and restored to Freeport.Mortal and god... note single god. Not a plural. Probably a refrence to Theer.The contested lady... Need more info, but quite possibly a refrence to the prennial forum favorite Ullurruuk. The Deepwater Knights are most closely connected to Quellious of all the female deities. However, my gut instinct tells me this is a refrence to Erollisi or an Euradite. Only time will tell.If the magics of mythical prestige... Ok, so the epic quest to convert your epic to a spell helps to free Theer. Wonderful.That which is to come and that which must be stopped! Seems more like a heading than a prophacy.Nothing has found... Theer has his two weapons and is returning.A paw... No paw in Everquest Lore has more glory than the Paw of Oopla. Without knowing about the HQ my mind instantly went to this item. I think you might be able to use it against Theer or his forces for some enhanced effect. The expanse... Obvious refrence to Odus caught between the pull of the void and the underfoot.Destruction welcomes... So we adventurers are welcomed to the city of Paineel by the Order of the Fell Blade. Does that imply there is a hidden enemy amongst the coucile of Paineel? (likely) Does it imply that the Order of the Fell Blade are actually enemies? (unlikely) Does it imply that Theer and his void allies need us to help free him? (most likely)Deceptions envelop... I think this implies that we'll receive help from Morall Thule as he uses us to help him retrieve the two swords from Theer. That might be a key to preventing Norrath from being destroyed.All in all, this doesn't provide much food for thought. Most of the mysteries seem like they are known information. I don't feel like we're getting hints of the future so much as an explination of the present. I guess that is fitting for what is suppose to be a wrap up of the Void story line but I still find it unsatisfying.

Zabjade

02-20-2010, 05:51 PM

So how do you get the book again?

Vaedaer

02-20-2010, 07:16 PM

I haven't done the Paw of Opalla HQ so I don't know how the dialogue and everything goes ... but a paw most trusted becomes the claw of attack makes me think of Murrar Sharr/shrug Antonia trusts him and he attacked her (even if he was possesed)

Xalmat

02-20-2010, 07:28 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>So how do you get the book again?</blockquote>Complete Epic Repercussions, the quest to upgrade your epic weapon.

Cusashorn

02-20-2010, 08:56 PM

Not to go off topic, but do you lose your epic weapon as a weapon when you complete that quest? I still use my fabled as my primary, and it doesn't look like that will change soon.

Xalmat

02-20-2010, 08:59 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not to go off topic, but do you lose your epic weapon as a weapon when you complete that quest? I still use my fabled as my primary, and it doesn't look like that will change soon.</blockquote>Yes and no. When you finish it, if you have your Mythical the Effects and the weapon get separated; you keep the weapon (you may then trash it if you wish), and the spells become a permanent part of your character.If you have your Fabled it gets auto-upgraded to the Mythical version, and you still get the spell effects as part of your character.

Cusashorn

02-20-2010, 09:03 PM

So my fabled weapon becomes Mythical and I can continue to use it as a weapon?

Xalmat

02-20-2010, 09:03 PM

That is correct.

Cusashorn

02-20-2010, 09:11 PM

Awesome.

Paragone

02-22-2010, 07:59 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Acquired when I completed "Epic Repercussions". 8 pages (horizontal lines indicate a new page, i condensed into a single image on purpose).Apparently Researcher Sel'Quar of the Order of Flame had it in her possession, and passed it on to Sa'ib Waseem.<img src="http://www.mattcrews.com/images/eq2/ithis-prophecy-1.jpg" /></blockquote>So... Deception envelop....After reading that at first I thought it leads to Theer and Kera which could set up nicely for Velious.My other thought is this perhaps it is Morrell thats it's refering to and my logic on it is this. We all are speculating E' Marr will return soon and we know that ther have been files patched for both a good and evil version of Theer. Maybe once Theer is defeated Morrell will ask him to bring E'Marr back. Just spectulation but I can't think of any other reason as to why Morrell and Theer would be connected, at least not more so than Theer and Cult of the Awakened.

Garnaf

02-26-2010, 02:41 AM

<cite>Paragone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Acquired when I completed "Epic Repercussions". 8 pages (horizontal lines indicate a new page, i condensed into a single image on purpose).Apparently Researcher Sel'Quar of the Order of Flame had it in her possession, and passed it on to Sa'ib Waseem.</blockquote>So... Deception envelop....After reading that at first I thought it leads to Theer and Kera which could set up nicely for Velious.My other thought is this perhaps it is Morrell thats it's refering to and my logic on it is this. We all are speculating E' Marr will return soon and we know that ther have been files patched for both a good and evil version of Theer. Maybe once Theer is defeated Morrell will ask him to bring E'Marr back. Just spectulation but I can't think of any other reason as to why Morrell and Theer would be connected, at least not more so than Theer and Cult of the Awakened.</blockquote>I can. Kerafrym wants to challenge Veeshan for absolute control of dragonkind. Note that the prophecy only says that the woken one seeks the HANDS of the Sentinel, the swords. and he DID steal the Claymore once before. Maybe he believes (and maybe rightly) that with the twin swords of Theer he could defeat Veeshan and rule over the realm of Sky.

Xalmat

02-26-2010, 06:53 AM

OK, that makes sense to me. Kerafyrm is deceiving us to his true identity and wants us to thwart Theer, so as to retrieve the hands of Theer for his own personal attempt at conquest.Sentinel = Roehn TheerWoken One = Kerafyrm

Nevao

02-26-2010, 12:22 PM

<cite>Vaedaer@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I haven't done the Paw of Opalla HQ so I don't know how the dialogue and everything goes ... but a paw most trusted becomes the claw of attack makes me think of Murrar Sharr/shrug Antonia trusts him and he attacked her (even if he was possesed)</blockquote>That could be a powerful motivator (revenge for being used to betray his queen), and if he found out his ancestral homelands were under attack as well that could be another spur into action.

Meirril

02-26-2010, 08:53 PM

<cite>Dranikos@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paragone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>Acquired when I completed "Epic Repercussions". 8 pages (horizontal lines indicate a new page, i condensed into a single image on purpose).Apparently Researcher Sel'Quar of the Order of Flame had it in her possession, and passed it on to Sa'ib Waseem.</blockquote>So... Deception envelop....After reading that at first I thought it leads to Theer and Kera which could set up nicely for Velious.My other thought is this perhaps it is Morrell thats it's refering to and my logic on it is this. We all are speculating E' Marr will return soon and we know that ther have been files patched for both a good and evil version of Theer. Maybe once Theer is defeated Morrell will ask him to bring E'Marr back. Just spectulation but I can't think of any other reason as to why Morrell and Theer would be connected, at least not more so than Theer and Cult of the Awakened.</blockquote>I can. Kerafrym wants to challenge Veeshan for absolute control of dragonkind. Note that the prophecy only says that the woken one seeks the HANDS of the Sentinel, the swords. and he DID steal the Claymore once before. Maybe he believes (and maybe rightly) that with the twin swords of Theer he could defeat Veeshan and rule over the realm of Sky.</blockquote>This does make the most sense.

Cusashorn

02-26-2010, 10:06 PM

And then he would destroy the rest of Norrath just because he can.

KniteShayd

02-27-2010, 09:37 AM

So from this, I gather, we have yet to see what happens to the two swords then, Right? If Kerafyrm will succeed in obtaining them, or if Theer gets them back first. I know from the FP side, Soulfire was stolen by apparently an agent of Theer, as Lucan was/is trapped in Ultera.Now, if Erollisi was killed (and diety lore is permanently alterable), then can we expect Kerafyrm will succeed too, and kill Veeshan? Or, is it possible that Theer may take out Kerfyrm somehow, once and for all?

Xalmat

02-27-2010, 04:01 PM

<cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote> Soulfire was stolen by apparently an agent of Theer</blockquote>To be precise it was stolen by Tayil N'Velex, Lucan's right hand assistant.

Meleah

02-27-2010, 06:39 PM

Or it appears that it was. It was taken by "Sir Tallen Yevix", which may very well be Tayil N'Velex given the name similarities but it wasn't confirmed it was her. It appeared to be Antonia's right hand man who stole the claymore as well, but we found otherwise. Unless that was made more clear in the subsequent SF quests that I'll probably never see. In which case, ignore me ^^

Cusashorn

02-27-2010, 10:21 PM

You might be onto something there with the name similarities. There's no letters out of place when you rearrange them, and both are female. Disguising as a Human isn't too hard to do.

Writer Cal

02-28-2010, 10:35 AM

Consider that Tayil had pretty much the same position as Murrar Shar for the Claymore line (evil side compared to good) and with what happened to Murrar...

Vanisher123

02-28-2010, 04:34 PM

Anyone catch the fact about the mythicals that if it happens the end of time will be urshered in? Which presumably mean by getting our lv 90 epics we cause the end of the world???<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" />

Rainmare

02-28-2010, 11:01 PM

nothing has found... - obviously TheerA paw most trusted... - This was Murrar I beleive, and his possession/assault on the Queen for the claymoreDeath falls... - this I think is the referance to the civil war/anarchy in Freeport with Lucan gone.The five unseen... - Seems to me a referance to the Circle of TenThe sister's daughter.... - Antonia. the give away is 'the dead foe is to be freed' as she decrees to have Lucan found nad restored to Freeport.The Expanse... - Odusthe City of Pain... - Paineel. the welcomeing destruction is probably the fact the Hole is right under thier feet adn trying to suck Paineel and Odus into the Underfoot.Deceptions... - Kera, who disguised as our trainer/advisor/teacher during the Search for Lucan, seems to want to help us with our task and best Theer. He's after the blades to use thier power on Veeshan, probably. remeber the focus of Theer's power is his swords to slay gods.Mortal and God... - This could be a referance to Kera, as he sends you to summon Anashti to find out the infromation on Theer and how he might be beaten. It could also be a hidden as of now hand of Mayong, or Theer himself.The Contested Lady... - this one is a puzzle. the Deepwater Knights 'shame' is failing to stop El'Arad during his takeover. doesn't seem like something the Lady of Betrayal would take much care in. Unless El'Arad's treachery itself was big enough to get her attention.If the Magics... - obviously a referance to us comsuming the powers of our mythical weapons into ourselves. but, is it us taking them from the weapons, or perhaps a powerful being ripping the powers from us, rather then trying to collect all the different weapons, just absorb all the subsequent powers from us ourselves, in a manner like we are doing to our weapons.

Wilin

03-01-2010, 06:00 PM

The Contested Lady has been mentioned before by the Seeress."The Contested Lady under the waves guides those to growth"<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=428674" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=428674</a>

BleemTeam

03-02-2010, 01:01 PM

With the search of lucan quest becoming deeper, we can now assume the woken one is Lord Kerafyrm, the being helping us along in our quest to defeat theer.

Pahya

03-06-2010, 01:48 AM

Since we received Book Three first, and I don't think we've gotten Book Two yet, do you think we can assume that they're in chronological order?

Homeskillet

03-23-2010, 10:31 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Death falls... - this I think is the referance to the civil war/anarchy in Freeport with Lucan gone.</blockquote>Painfully literal actually. "Death falls upon the city of free men in the Shattered Lands." = Deathknell Citidel falling on Freeport.

Frain

05-18-2010, 08:58 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>OK, that makes sense to me. Kerafyrm is deceiving us to his true identity and wants us to thwart Theer, so as to retrieve the hands of Theer for his own personal attempt at conquest.Sentinel = Roehn TheerWoken One = Kerafyrm</blockquote>In the signature quest that has you save Lucan and kill Theer you talk to Fyr'remd Lorak, a lich that helps you defeat Theer. Lucan also sais later that soulfire has been stripped of its power (from being reunited with theer is what he thinks).From the lich' name you can get the name Kerafyrm with the letters "DLORA" being leftover. "Desceptions envelop the well meanings..." Thats us being ignorant and saving D'Lare without noticing who we are helping=P

Anestacia

05-18-2010, 10:30 PM

<cite>Frain@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>OK, that makes sense to me. Kerafyrm is deceiving us to his true identity and wants us to thwart Theer, so as to retrieve the hands of Theer for his own personal attempt at conquest.Sentinel = Roehn TheerWoken One = Kerafyrm</blockquote>In the signature quest that has you save Lucan and kill Theer you talk to Fyr'remd Lorak, a lich that helps you defeat Theer. Lucan also sais later that soulfire has been stripped of its power (from being reunited with theer is what he thinks).From the lich' name you can get the name Kerafyrm with the letters "DLORA" being leftover. "Desceptions envelop the well meanings..." Thats us being ignorant and saving D'Lare without noticing who we are helping=P</blockquote>Yep, its pretty common knowledge now that Fyr'remd is Kerafym. Also, the left over letters are "DLOR" not "DLORA" or also known as "LORD" Kerafyrm.

Frain

05-19-2010, 04:00 AM

<cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Frain@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>OK, that makes sense to me. Kerafyrm is deceiving us to his true identity and wants us to thwart Theer, so as to retrieve the hands of Theer for his own personal attempt at conquest.Sentinel = Roehn TheerWoken One = Kerafyrm</blockquote>In the signature quest that has you save Lucan and kill Theer you talk to Fyr'remd Lorak, a lich that helps you defeat Theer. Lucan also sais later that soulfire has been stripped of its power (from being reunited with theer is what he thinks).From the lich' name you can get the name Kerafyrm with the letters "DLORA" being leftover. "Desceptions envelop the well meanings..." Thats us being ignorant and saving D'Lare without noticing who we are helping=P</blockquote>Yep, its pretty common knowledge now that Fyr'remd is Kerafym. Also, the left over letters are "DLOR" not "DLORA" or also known as "LORD" Kerafyrm.</blockquote>Hah! Of course. Should have seen that!

Bionickai001

05-19-2010, 08:51 AM

Wait.... Murrar Shar attacked the Queen for the Claymore?! Why do I miss everything?!

Vaedaer

05-19-2010, 09:23 AM

<cite>Bionickai001 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wait.... Murrar Shar attacked the Queen for the Claymore?! Why do I miss everything?!</blockquote>He was possesed by Kyle Bayle or w/e was that fool's name.

Garnaf

05-19-2010, 11:18 AM

<cite>Vaedaer@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bionickai001 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wait.... Murrar Shar attacked the Queen for the Claymore?! Why do I miss everything?!</blockquote>He was possesed by Kyle Bayle or w/e was that fool's name.</blockquote>Yup, Kyle. Who in turn was (apparently) serving Theer.Really these two swords are more trouble than they're worth sometimes. Enoxus and Aeteok seem to create more problems than they solve.Also, just a side note. The Prophecy about the "Magics of Mythical importance" ushering in the end of times? Is a trick of language. It does NOT refer to us breaking our mythical weapons, but to what KERAFYRM does to Enoxus and Aetoek (uses the exact same ritual to absorb HUGE amounts of their powers, in essence Kerafyrm was already the strongest Non-God entity in terms of raw power, and now hes stronger still...)Thus Deceptions Envelop the Well meaning. Kerafyrm got what he wanted, with no effort on his part, just by making us believe he was helping us with Theer (and to an extent he was, but he really just shows up to finish him off and eat the swords)

Mustang8259

07-07-2010, 12:09 PM

<cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Contested Lady has been mentioned before by the Seeress."The Contested Lady under the waves guides those to growth"<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=428674" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=428674</a></blockquote>This makes me think the Lady in which they speak of is Firiona Vie. If I remember right when Kunark came out and we asked what happened to the island named after her from EQlive we were told it had sunk beneath the waves, and we now find out that she's been masquerading as Kurista and leading people to help with the repair of the Druid Rings, and whatever else it leads to (Sadly I haven't done much of this quest line to know). Though I have no reason why she's be called "The Contested" Lady unless its a tongue in cheek reference to something "outside" of the game when they held that contest to find models to represent the characters at fanfaire and stuff...And I'll admit to having no idea why she'd take any interest in the "shame" of the Deepwater Knights...Oh, to clarify one last thing, where it says "Mortal and God, they will all be his pawn" someone asked why just one god? It's not meant in singular form... kinda the same way "Mortal" in this instance is being used to describe ALL mortals, It's being used plural saying the Gods will be deceived too*edited to add the last two parts*

asdfasdf

07-07-2010, 12:36 PM

yeah, thought about this too while I finished the quest.<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Contested Lady has been mentioned before by the Seeress."The Contested Lady under the waves guides those to growth"<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=428674" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=428674</a></blockquote>This makes me think the Lady in which they speak of is Firiona Vie. If I remember right when Kunark came out and we asked what happened to the island named after her from EQlive we were told it had sunk beneath the waves, and we now find out that she's been masquerading as Kurista and leading people to help with the repair of the Druid Rings, and whatever else it leads to (Sadly I haven't done much of this quest line to know). Though I have no reason why she's be called "The Contested" Lady unless its a tongue in cheek reference to something "outside" of the game when they held that contest to find models to represent the characters at fanfaire and stuff...And I'll admit to having no idea why she'd take any interest in the "shame" of the Deepwater Knights...Oh, to clarify one last thing, where it says "Mortal and God, they will all be his pawn" someone asked why just one god? It's not meant in singular form... kinda the same way "Mortal" in this instance is being used to describe ALL mortals, It's being used plural saying the Gods will be deceived too*edited to add the last two parts*</blockquote>btw, she is masquerading Eva not Kurista. Maybe cuz she's the EQ girl on the box art so called Contested Lady, lol.

Garnaf

07-07-2010, 12:57 PM

What about the "Contested Lady" being the Vasty Deep dragon? She goes on about the power of the oceans, she's under the Deepwater Pavilion (kinda) in the Vasty Deep.Being under the Deepwater could be interpreted as "Under the waves", she's opposed by the Ca'Na and supported by the Onaya (which is "constested"), and the Pavilion is a sign of the "shame of the deepwater" since it's named in honor of their sacrifice, which was made because they failed to keep El'Arad from usurping Erudin. To a knightly order, such a failure is a mark of shame.

Kaitheel

07-07-2010, 01:46 PM

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Contested Lady has been mentioned before by the Seeress."The Contested Lady under the waves guides those to growth"<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=428674" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=428674</a></blockquote>This makes me think the Lady in which they speak of is Firiona Vie. If I remember right when Kunark came out and we asked what happened to the island named after her from EQlive we were told it had sunk beneath the waves, and we now find out that she's been masquerading as Kurista and leading people to help with the repair of the Druid Rings, and whatever else it leads to (Sadly I haven't done much of this quest line to know). Though I have no reason why she's be called "The Contested" Lady unless its a tongue in cheek reference to something "outside" of the game when they held that contest to find models to represent the characters at fanfaire and stuff...And I'll admit to having no idea why she'd take any interest in the "shame" of the Deepwater Knights...Oh, to clarify one last thing, where it says "Mortal and God, they will all be his pawn" someone asked why just one god? It's not meant in singular form... kinda the same way "Mortal" in this instance is being used to describe ALL mortals, It's being used plural saying the Gods will be deceived too*edited to add the last two parts*</blockquote>You are correct. The Contested Lady spoken of by the Seeress was indeed Firiona Vie (Eva Corunno'thes). The outpost of Firiona Vie was contested, and its ruins are now under the waves.~Kaitheel

kelvmor

07-08-2010, 04:23 PM

<cite>Kaitheel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Contested Lady has been mentioned before by the Seeress."The Contested Lady under the waves guides those to growth"<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=428674" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=428674</a></blockquote>This makes me think the Lady in which they speak of is Firiona Vie. If I remember right when Kunark came out and we asked what happened to the island named after her from EQlive we were told it had sunk beneath the waves, and we now find out that she's been masquerading as Kurista and leading people to help with the repair of the Druid Rings, and whatever else it leads to (Sadly I haven't done much of this quest line to know). Though I have no reason why she's be called "The Contested" Lady unless its a tongue in cheek reference to something "outside" of the game when they held that contest to find models to represent the characters at fanfaire and stuff...And I'll admit to having no idea why she'd take any interest in the "shame" of the Deepwater Knights...Oh, to clarify one last thing, where it says "Mortal and God, they will all be his pawn" someone asked why just one god? It's not meant in singular form... kinda the same way "Mortal" in this instance is being used to describe ALL mortals, It's being used plural saying the Gods will be deceived too*edited to add the last two parts*</blockquote>You are correct. The Contested Lady spoken of by the Seeress was indeed Firiona Vie (Eva Corunno'thes). The outpost of Firiona Vie was contested, and its ruins are now under the waves.~Kaitheel</blockquote>You are awesome, Kaitheel.The Mortal and God thing is probably Kerafyrm or Lord Nagafen, one of the two.

Barx

07-08-2010, 04:45 PM

Indeed, it makes sense when you think of it as meaning two different things: the Contested Lady that is under the sea is the FV outpost, while the one leading people to groth is it's namesake, the real Firiona Vie. Prophecies often use word trickery like that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />

Cusashorn

07-08-2010, 07:55 PM

<cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Indeed, it makes sense when you think of it as meaning two different things: the Contested Lady that is under the sea is the FV outpost, while the one leading people to groth is it's namesake, the real Firiona Vie. Prophecies often use word trickery like that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Too bad none of those clues about her made any sense until AFTER she was revealed.

Mary the Prophetess

07-09-2010, 01:25 AM

That's what makes riddles fun. They make perfect sense *after* you know the answer. Before that, they are gallingly vague. A good clue is supposed to inspire speculation. In and of itself it is not enough. Like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle they only start to form up after a number of clues have the same theme as a part of their own separate speculations.I do not think that the clues about Firiona were too bad. The problem was that there were not enough of them to find a common theme.

Stubbswick

07-09-2010, 12:51 PM

Yeah, "contested lady" is a pretty bad hint/prophecy. Unless they were somehow predicting Cusashorn would start a whole debate about whether or not she should be in the game, in which case "contested" makes perfect sense <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />Looking back though... "The contested lady is called forth by the shame of the Deepwater Knights". What is the shame of the Deepwater Knights?

Wilin

07-09-2010, 07:46 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Indeed, it makes sense when you think of it as meaning two different things: the Contested Lady that is under the sea is the FV outpost, while the one leading people to groth is it's namesake, the real Firiona Vie. Prophecies often use word trickery like that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Too bad none of those clues about her made any sense until AFTER she was revealed.</blockquote>I love it. It seems obvious now even though it did not when I made that post back in March.

Mikhail

07-09-2010, 07:48 PM

The shame of the Deepwater Knights was that they failed to protect Erudin from El'Arad. He siezed the city in a sence and disbanned the Knights since they had the pact with Paineel and the whole Nexus thing goin on. Then one of the leaders of the Knights found out what was goin on and rallied the Knights to attack the palace. they failed miserably and their corpses are now in the very front of the Erudin Palace being controled by the Necro Mash'Al and used to attack you as you enter the zone.

Maergoth

07-10-2010, 06:31 AM

Makes sense, they are responsible for pretty much everything. Had they manned-up and kept erudin on lockdown, Norrath wouldn't be borderlined doomed right now <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lodrelhai

07-10-2010, 06:02 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Indeed, it makes sense when you think of it as meaning two different things: the Contested Lady that is under the sea is the FV outpost, while the one leading people to groth is it's namesake, the real Firiona Vie. Prophecies often use word trickery like that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Too bad none of those clues about her made any sense until AFTER she was revealed.</blockquote>Which is why it's the perfect prophecy!Seriously, how many of Nostradomus's predictions make sense before the event they're supposed to predict? At least with Seeress Ealaynya, her prophecies can only be applied to one person or event in hindsight.