[Maergoth]

<p><span style="font-size: small; color: #800000;"><strong>Al`Kabor says, 'Don't disturb me, I have important research to conduct.'</strong></span></p><p><img src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Maergoth/AlKabor.jpg" /></p><p>He's not chipper, but he's alive.  He's a pretty big player in the current erudite events.. even if you don't recognise his name at first <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Who's side is he on? Who knows.. If you can find a way to get more out of him than I could, feel free to pay him a visit over in The Erudin Palace.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Why'd you make it a Christmas card?</p>

[betatester7]

<p>Happy Frostfell for you too!</p>

[Lera]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why'd you make it a Christmas card?</p></blockquote><p>Because it's only 10 months until Frostfell! Better start decorating now!</p>

[Taurus_WD]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why'd you make it a Christmas card?</p></blockquote><p>Because the colors work?  =)</p><p>Oh, and him being <Duality> maybe that means he's on both sides, at the same time!  Al'Kabor has learned to defy even more physics!  Yes, everything must be exciting for me!</p>

[betatester7]

<p>Isn't he dead? because if he's alive what does this mean? is a lich? is a super erudite? he's behind theer? he likes jum jum juice?</p>

[Mustang8259]

<p>The more pertinent question that rings in my mind is: "Who or what is The Duality?"</p><p>Dual = 2, we have the left and right hands of Theer, the Qeynos Claymore & Soulfire, Al'Kabor and Miragul... so many things it could represent...</p>

[Dramadon]

<p>I think it's just he finally got so embarassed by his pathetic line of spells he invented that he went into hiding for 500 years to avoid his shame :p</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>Yes! Al`Kabor's secret is that he's the Qeynos Claymore and Soulfire! Wait.. that's not it.. hmm.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Dramadon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think it's just he finally got so embarassed by his pathetic line of spells he invented that he went into hiding for 500 years to avoid his shame :p</p></blockquote><p>Sooo true =P</p>

[BleemTeam]

<p>You forgot to mention that he is also Dartain in that screenshot. That is the duality.</p><p>Dartain / Al'Kabor are the same floating man, and they say up to 3 different things when hailed.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You forgot to mention that he is also Dartain in that screenshot. That is the duality.</p><p>Dartain / Al'Kabor are the same floating man, and they say up to 3 different things when hailed.</p></blockquote><p>You mean like how Christanos' voice shows signs of demonic life form inhabiting her? It sounds like Al'Kabor is one personality, Dartain is another, and then combined they form a completely seperate 3rd entity.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brailyn@Befallen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You forgot to mention that he is also Dartain in that screenshot. That is the duality.</p><p>Dartain / Al'Kabor are the same floating man, and they say up to 3 different things when hailed.</p></blockquote><p>You mean like how Christanos' voice shows signs of demonic life form inhabiting her? It sounds like Al'Kabor is one personality, Dartain is another, and then combined they form a completely seperate 3rd entity.</p></blockquote><p>Miragul comes to my mind : p that would make an even bigger mess! lol That's interesting tho that he is both dartain and Al'kabor ... I must level up and find out more O_O</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>I selectively left out that information actually.. but thanks for spoiling it.</p><p>They are still two entities living on one body.. think Dragon Ball Z style fusion crap. He shifts back and forth mid sentance between Dartain and Al`Kabor. Al`Kabor is still an oldschool erudite, and Dartain (new erudite).</p>

[Mythanote]

<p>/semi off topic...</p><p>Just want to mention, that when the screenshots were released a few months ago for Sent Fate, there was a picture of a Erudite with a huge forehead again, and I guessed it was Al'Kabor (I'll find the thread and edit in link).  Do I get a cookie now? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>/resume topic...</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I selectively left out that information actually.. but thanks for spoiling it.</p><p>They are still two entities living on one body.. think Dragon Ball Z style fusion crap. He shifts back and forth mid sentance between Dartain and Al`Kabor. Al`Kabor is still an oldschool erudite, and Dartain (new erudite).</p></blockquote><p>But hey, atleast this made me want to level up like you said it would =P</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>wait when did <span >Dartain and Al'kabor get stuck together? i last saw </span><span >Dartain</span><span > in neriak for the necromancer epic quest. </span></p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Mythanote@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>/semi off topic...</p><p>Just want to mention, that when the screenshots were released a few months ago for Sent Fate, there was a picture of a Erudite with a huge forehead again, and I guessed it was Al'Kabor (I'll find the thread and edit in link).  Do I get a cookie now? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>/resume topic...</p></blockquote><p>There are quite a few more big foreheaded Erudites running around.  Theres a retired general in Paineel and also all the "void touched" ones in Erudin gardens are the old style too.  Which sorta brings up the topic; Did any of the quests tell exactly WHY some Erudites changed and others did not?  I did all the solo quests but I might have missed something.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>according to an erudite at Quel'Thul, the Great Feedback is what changed the erudites int what they are today. and while apparently the shockwave from the Feedback was cross planar, some erudites it turned into the 'new' version, some it flat out killed, others it corrupted with void energy...it's like it riped through the planes and struck all the Erudites, but it's effects where completely random on them.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>according to an erudite at Quel'Thul, the Great Feedback is what changed the erudites int what they are today. and while apparently the shockwave from the Feedback was cross planar, some erudites it turned into the 'new' version, some it flat out killed, others it corrupted with void energy...it's like it riped through the planes and struck all the Erudites, but it's effects where completely random on them.</p></blockquote><p>So what's the explanation of the Old Erudites who arn't void touched? /shrug</p>

[Elepian]

<p>That is also my same question.. One that is itching my curiosity.. What about the History of The Erudites Tome? Does it say anything in reference to this outcome? </p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Not at all. It talks of Erud founding the race and the city of Erudin, the War of the Heretics, and then ot tells of the Erudites adapting to the Shattered Lands in the city of Qeynos. No mention of their transformation.</p>

[Triasa]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>according to an erudite at Quel'Thul, the Great Feedback is what changed the erudites int what they are today</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>If this is true, then we have a bit of a problem.  Dialogue with the Kerra Nashii (in Stonestair Byway - dialogue can be found here: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=455222">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=455222</a>&nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> indicates that the Erudite's transformation happened when Odus was still on Norrath.  Either that, or the Kerra neglected to mention the "minor" detail of Odus being ripped from this dimension, or how they came into contact with their ancestors exiled in another dimension. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Add this to the disparity between transformed and "classic" Erudites, and I'm really starting to smell retcon here...</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>according to an erudite at Quel'Thul, the Great Feedback is what changed the erudites int what they are today</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>If this is true, then we have a bit of a problem.  Dialogue with the Kerra Nashii (in Stonestair Byway - dialogue can be found here: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=455222">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=455222</a> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> indicates that the Erudite's transformation happened when Odus was still on Norrath.  Either that, or the Kerra neglected to mention the "minor" detail of Odus being ripped from this dimension, or how they came into contact with their ancestors exiled in another dimension. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Add this to the disparity between transformed and "classic" Erudites, and I'm really starting to smell retcon here...</p></blockquote><p>I remember that NPC's dialogue, which says his ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra isle, but Kerra Isle is in Ultera with the rest of Odus, which seems the story was written/told before the planar shift took place, but after the feedback hit Quel'ule. Else how could the old Kerrans be in Norrath to spread the tale if they were trapped in Ultera from the instant of the great feedback.</p><p>Something else that a few of us talked about were the reason why some erudites are the old models and some new. Maybe it "changed" the Erudites from a genetic standpoint rather then just a physical one, where an erudite could be the old version but their offspring would take the traits of the "Ultera touched" erudite models we see now.</p>

[Garnaf]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Triasa@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><strong>according to an erudite at Quel'Thul, the Great Feedback is what changed the erudites int what they are today</strong>.</p></blockquote><p>If this is true, then we have a bit of a problem.  Dialogue with the Kerra Nashii (in Stonestair Byway - dialogue can be found here: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=455222">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=455222</a> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /> indicates that the Erudite's transformation happened when Odus was still on Norrath.  Either that, or the Kerra neglected to mention the "minor" detail of Odus being ripped from this dimension, or how they came into contact with their ancestors exiled in another dimension. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Add this to the disparity between transformed and "classic" Erudites, and I'm really starting to smell retcon here...</p></blockquote><p>I remember that NPC's dialogue, which says his ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra isle, but Kerra Isle is in Ultera with the rest of Odus, which seems the story was written/told before the planar shift took place, but after the feedback hit Quel'ule. Else how could the old Kerrans be in Norrath to spread the tale if they were trapped in Ultera from the instant of the great feedback.</p><p>Something else that a few of us talked about were the reason why some erudites are the old models and some new. Maybe it "changed" the Erudites from a genetic standpoint rather then just a physical one, where an erudite could be the old version but their offspring would take the traits of the "Ultera touched" erudite models we see now.</p></blockquote><p>That doesn't explain why Dartain looks like an Ultera Erudite and not an Old Erudite, he's not anyone's kid afterall, he just happens to be nigh immortal thanks to absorbing the essenses of LOTS of Elementals during his time in Underfoot (and a REALLY powerful Necromancer to boot, and fused with Al'Kabor...)</p>

[Triasa]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I remember that NPC's dialogue, which says his ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra isle, but Kerra Isle is in Ultera with the rest of Odus, which seems the story was written/told before the planar shift took place, but after the feedback hit Quel'ule. Else how could the old Kerrans be in Norrath to spread the tale if they were trapped in Ultera from the instant of the great feedback.</p></blockquote><p>Yep - Nashii's story points to two seperate events.  First was the transformation, then the dimensional shift.  This new information coming from Quel'ule that I was responding to is claiming the transformation and dimensional shift happened at the same time - the two stories contradict each other.</p><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Maybe it "changed" the Erudites from a genetic standpoint rather then just a physical one, where an erudite could be the old version but their offspring would take the traits of the "Ultera touched" erudite models we see now.</blockquote><p>The only problem with this theory is that the Erudites were instantly transformed:</p><p>You say to Nashii, "What did the ancestors learn?  What did they see?"</p><p>Nashii says to you, "They saw the Erudites much as we see them now.  Their altered forms frightened many, warding the ancestors from the continent for many generations to come. </p>

[PsiaMeese]

<p>I did throw that plot-hole out to the Beta forum the first week I was there. I had hoped for something in the way of NPC dialog or a quest to weave things together in a sensible fashion. Thus far, this hasn't happened.</p>

[Eruditessay]

<p>It's Obvious this is a hint about dual classing (Necro/Mage) in the next expansion and the return of the Blrd's</p>

[Brigh]

<p>another old thread resurrected, and no answers but this:</p><p>Back before EQ II was coming out, there was a storyline in EQ 1 that followed these adventurers/friends (barbarian, erudite, dwarf I think, maybe others).</p><p>These NPCs could be seen in the zone that had a big ship with quests on it accessed via port or through the forest, from the druid/ranger home near Qeynos (forgetting zone names).</p><p>The story had a strange affliction coming on to the erudite lady, causing her to come to near death. Her skin turned ashen gray and her eyes changed.</p><p>I didn't play much after that so I don't know the continuation of that storyline.</p>

[Vaedaer]

<p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>another old thread resurrected, and no answers but this:</p><p>Back before EQ II was coming out, there was a storyline in EQ 1 that followed these adventurers/friends (barbarian, erudite, dwarf I think, maybe others).</p><p>These NPCs could be seen in the zone that had a big ship with quests on it accessed via port or through the forest, from the druid/ranger home near Qeynos (forgetting zone names).</p><p>The story had a strange affliction coming on to the erudite lady, causing her to come to near death. Her skin turned ashen gray and her eyes changed.</p><p>I didn't play much after that so I don't know the continuation of that storyline.</p></blockquote><p>Dark elf not a dwarf ... and that would be Morden Rasp and his gang and I believe sony kind of discarted that story line because no one knows what the heck happened to them.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Vaedaer@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>another old thread resurrected, and no answers but this:</p><p>Back before EQ II was coming out, there was a storyline in EQ 1 that followed these adventurers/friends (barbarian, erudite, dwarf I think, maybe others).</p><p>These NPCs could be seen in the zone that had a big ship with quests on it accessed via port or through the forest, from the druid/ranger home near Qeynos (forgetting zone names).</p><p>The story had a strange affliction coming on to the erudite lady, causing her to come to near death. Her skin turned ashen gray and her eyes changed.</p><p>I didn't play much after that so I don't know the continuation of that storyline.</p></blockquote><p>Dark elf not a dwarf ... and that would be Morden Rasp and his gang and I believe sony kind of discarted that story line because no one knows what the heck happened to them.</p></blockquote><p>I thought the end of that story line was "and they made a boat soooo big it took all of Morden Rasp's time to manage it so he's sending you to solve all of the problems he commissioned this boat to take care of."</p><p>This was the lead-in story for Gates of Discord.</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>Yeah, the huge boat was the major city zone of the expansion located in the Abysmal Sea. I lost the storyline beyond that.. couldn't keep playing that game <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Avaricious]

<p>Was there ever an explanation for why Dartain and Al'Kabor are sharing the same... not body... space?</p>

[Iskandar]

<p>Yes. It's in the posts that aren't from 2010 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Avaricious]

<p>I searched "Duality" and didn't have much luck.  Care to point me in the right direction if you can't summarize?</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Avaricious@Everfrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I searched "Duality" and didn't have much luck.  Care to point me in the right direction if you can't summarize?</p></blockquote><p>In the quest "The footsteps of Dartain" signature quest from Sentinel's Fate goes into more detail of Dartain trying to absorb the essence or something of the famous dead wizard or something...</p>

[Avaricious]

<p>Thanks! I'll check it out.</p>

[Mikhail]

<p>yea if i remember correctly Dartain was dabbling in some spell that would allow him to absorb the essence of another person/being and when the time came he chose to absorb Al'Kabor the most powerful mage to walk norrath but instead of just taking on Al'Kabor's power/essence he absorbed that and his soul and conciousness, yes my spelling sucks, and due to this they kinda fought over who would control the body but they made some kind of pact so now they just alternate and are now known as the duality since they are kinda 2 people in 1 body</p>