Returning monk, Sentinel of Fate, Re-Spec...

[Lordvo]

<p>Hi guys i am returning from a long journey trough Vanguard and Aion, but back to EQ2...</p><p>I am level 78 atm and have around 100 AA</p><p>I was confident that my STR and Int line was fine but i guess that have changed. I want to max my DPS and i mostly solo but could also Group/Raid. DPS is my major concern.</p><p>What is the new AA line to go as for Brawler and monk tree, I know that it might have changed with the new expension.</p><p>Every feedback and help would be very appreciated, i am happy to return to nek servers and see my guild is still Alive (Embracers of light)</p>

[Blu]

<p>Basically the two major things of note for dps are our new Flurry AA, and Crane Flock getting lower recast and a duration AA. The Mantis Bolt proc also got a boost.</p><p>I would basically spec dps like this:</p><p>Str: 4-10-0-0-8 (DA, Flurry)</p><p>Agi: 4-10 (Reuse)</p><p>Sta: 4-10 (Proc)</p><p>Wis: 10-10-2-2-8 (Proc, Crane Flock, CF duration)</p><p>Int: 4-10 (Crit chance)</p><p>The remaining 3 points, put in whatever you think will help you most (e.g. Pressure Point, Baton Flurry, Eagle Spin).</p><p>If you really want Chi, you can drop the Sta line and get it, but I wouldn't really recommend it.</p><p>Having been specced Chi for a while, over time I found it less useful than it appears on paper, because of timing between auto-attacks and long recast. If you start Chi in the middle of a long fight, your CAs are already spaced out too much to take full advantage of Chi's casting speed buff (i.e. you still can't get 2 CAs in between auto-attacks since you already spaced them out). So to get Chi's full effect, you pretty much have to lead off with it, which is sometimes not desirable for groups / raids. Also, it's recast makes it inefficient in a good group. E.g. you use it, but then it's not back up in time for the next boss fight. So, it goes unused far too often just due to mechanics.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Xerq@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Basically the two major things of note for dps are our new Flurry AA, and Crane Flock getting lower recast and a duration AA. The Mantis Bolt proc also got a boost.</p><p>I would basically spec dps like this:</p><p>Str: 4-10-0-0-8 (DA, Flurry)</p><p>Agi: 4-10 (Reuse)</p><p>Sta: 4-10 (Proc)</p><p>Wis: 10-10-2-2-8 (Proc, Crane Flock, CF duration)</p><p>Int: 4-10 (Crit chance)</p><p>The remaining 3 points, put in whatever you think will help you most (e.g. Pressure Point, Baton Flurry, Eagle Spin).</p><p>If you really want Chi, you can drop the Sta line and get it, but I wouldn't really recommend it.</p><p>Having been specced Chi for a while, over time I found it less useful than it appears on paper, because of timing between auto-attacks and long recast. If you start Chi in the middle of a long fight, your CAs are already spaced out too much to take full advantage of Chi's casting speed buff (i.e. you still can't get 2 CAs in between auto-attacks since you already spaced them out). So to get Chi's full effect, you pretty much have to lead off with it, which is sometimes not desirable for groups / raids. Also, it's recast makes it inefficient in a good group. E.g. you use it, but then it's not back up in time for the next boss fight. So, it goes unused far too often just due to mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>That is pretty much my spec except 1 less point in mantis bolt and I grabbed the death save.</p>

[Cylmore]

<p>BChizzle and Xerq, any chance you guys can screenshot all three lines of how you're set up?  I'd like to see some long range set ups (I have 136 points now but want to look to the future too).  Of course I have my own ideas and don't want to copy, but I'm sure there are things I haven't thought of yet.  Thanks!</p>

[Colton1234]

BChizzle, Do you run seperate specs for tanking / DPS or do you just run the 1 spec ?

[Blu]

<p><cite>Cylmore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>BChizzle and Xerq, any chance you guys can screenshot all three lines of how you're set up?  I'd like to see some long range set ups (I have 136 points now but want to look to the future too).  Of course I have my own ideas and don't want to copy, but I'm sure there are things I haven't thought of yet.  Thanks!</p></blockquote><p>I'll see what I can do there. However, I'm only at 206ish AA, and spent most of my existing points in the class and subclass trees, so my shadow tree is barely started. Also, our sub-class tree is mostly garbage for dps. There are some obvious things to take (anything that increases damage or lowers reuse on CAs), but otherwise it's a bit subjective.</p>

[Cylmore]

<p>Very cool.  Like I said, I'm not looking to copy, I'd just like to see what others are doing.  I'm trying to see different opinions and make some informed decisions.  The best way for me to see it tho is graphically so I can visualize my line.  I'm at 136 so a good look at how someone spent 206 works great.  And of course, it'll make me ask questions so I can understand things better.</p>

[urgthock]

<p>AA builds are very personal things due to the flexibility encountered with different people having different levels of gear as well as personal preference. However, with that said, here is my take on 2 AA builds. One for tanking and one for soloing/DPSing.</p><p>Solo/DPS:</p><p>Brawler tree:Starter - 1Str - 4 10 8 2 8 (Chi = BEAST)Agi - 4 10Sta - 4 10 (Don't get rid of this. It is doing great DPS on parses)Wis - 4 10 8 2 3Int - 4 6</p><p>Total = 98</p><p>Monk tree:Horse kick - 5Rising phoenix - 5Rising dragon - 5Morning star - 5Five rings - 5Stifling palm - 5Punch - 5Cobra - 4Talon - 5Tsunami - 5Outward calm - 5Mend - 5Will of heavens 1 - 2Will of heavens 2 - 3Iron stance - 5Superior riposte - 1Silence - 5Snow blindness - 5Outward tranquility - 5Numbing blows - 5provoking - 2</p><p>Total = 92</p><p>TSO:Health - 5Power - 5Swinging strike - 5Offensive prowess - 5Battle hardening - 5Sneering assault - 1Tactical precision - 5Cobra - 3Thunder strike - 5Inner focus - 1Mend - 5Cobra - 5Followup - 1Mitigating blows - 5Bob & weave - 2Hidden opening - 2</p><p>Total = 60</p><p>Tanking:</p><p>Brawler:Starter - 1Str - 8 in endline only (Tiger reflexes)Agi - 4 10 3Sta - 4 10 10 2 6Wis - 4 10 10 2 8Tenacity - 4</p><p>Total = 96</p><p>Monk:Horse kick - 5Rising phoenix - 5Rising dragon - 5Morning star - 5Five rings - 5Stifling Palm - 5Enhance Scowl - 5Enhance infuriation - 5Tsunami - 5Outward calm - 5Mend - 5Will of heavens 1 - 2Will of heavens 2 - 3Body like mountain - 5Iron stance - 5Superior riposte - 1Dragons rage - 5Outward tranquility - 5Numbing blows - 5provoking - 2</p><p>Total = 88</p><p>TSO:Health - 5Power - 5Battle hardening - 5Offensive prowess - 5Rescue - 5Sneering - 1Tranquil forewarning - 5Tactical precision - 5Deflecting blow - 5Aversion - 5Inner focus - 1Mend - 5Mitigating blows - 5Meditative healing - 5Bob & Weave - 2Hidden openings - 2</p><p>Total = 66</p>

[BChizzle]

<p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p>

[urgthock]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p></blockquote><p>Rather than being as dismissive as you were, why don't you try giving constructive criticism instead. Tell me why they are horrible and be specific with your reasoning and examples. Or is it simply yet another issue of I say it's this way and I am right and everyone else is wrong?</p>

[Silzin]

Some things i would do differently on the tank spec is drop WIS and get INT. the 4-10-10-2-8 for INT would be better for me when tanking. since i only have about 40 ish crit before i take the int chit it helps with the agro crits and the int endlines help with taking double attaches and in eminences. I think Tenacity is useless, maybe 1 ranck, but 2 death saves in 20 sec's... i dont see the 2 extra points being worth it. Monk spec looks ok, but i like the Evade. and i also know that a lot of monks dont, but i like to be able to not to have to FD to lows aggro when i am OTing, so i can just seep dpsing and drop some hate. I dont like Meditative healing, but i still use it. so cant say not to. other then that tank looks fine to me. for the dps.. I dont see as much of a boost for CHI as it should so i have droped it, i am just to close to the caps to make it worth the point investment . agen i like the 10 crit... and the rest looks pretty slandered. but i do mostly grouping and some raiding and spend most of my time in my tank spec.

[urgthock]

<p>Well first off, let me say thank you for giving clear and concise, reasoned responses as to why you have and would make changes to your personal AA build. Also let me state I do not (of course) have 250 AA yet but these are my current planned AA builds. Also, as always, with the hard cap limits on AA one must give in some areas to gain in others. Also let me say that I have never tanked in a raid, nor do I raid much. So my particular tanking spec is for Heroic content.</p><p><cite>Silzin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Some things i would do differently on the tank spec is drop WIS and get INT. the 4-10-10-2-8 for INT would be better for me when tanking. since i only have about 40 ish crit before i take the int chit it helps with the agro crits and the int endlines help with taking double attaches and in eminences.</blockquote><p>I took the WIS because I view this setup as an AE tank spec, something that TSO has hammered into my consciousness for the last year and a half almost. Most of the time when I am tanking in a group I will have a dirge to increase my crit and so I give up a bit of melee crit in order to increase my AE DPS. Also, since I exclusively tank heroic content, I find it easier to deal with the harder hits and double attacks etc, with the many other survivability tools we have at hand such as bob and weave, tsunami, etc.</p><p><cite>Silzin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I think Tenacity is useless, maybe 1 ranck, but 2 death saves in 20 sec's... i dont see the 2 extra points being worth it.</blockquote><p>It may very well be useless even at 1 rank as it necessitates a bit of clairvoyance on my part to know when to use it. There is a good chance I will move these points elsewhere after I experiment with it a bit unless they change this AA.</p><p><cite>Silzin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Monk spec looks ok, but i like the Evade. and i also know that a lot of monks dont, but i like to be able to not to have to FD to lows aggro when i am OTing, so i can just seep dpsing and drop some hate. </blockquote><p>Again, I only ever tank heroic content so no OTing really going on here. And I believe my DPS spec leaves me just enough survivability and aggro resources to tank in an emergency if I am in a group (as DPS) and the tank goes down.</p><p><cite>Silzin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>for the dps.. I dont see as much of a boost for CHI as it should so i have droped it, i am just to close to the caps to make it worth the point investment . agen i like the 10 crit... and the rest looks pretty slandered. but i do mostly grouping and some raiding and spend most of my time in my tank spec.</blockquote><p>Since I do not have a lot (hardly any really as I don't raid on my monk) of endgame gear, I do recognize quite a bit of an increase from Chi.</p><p>Again, thank you for your reasoned responses and I will definitely look to make changes if my gear reaches a point where I stop to see gains from my current setup.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p></blockquote><p>Rather than being as dismissive as you were, why don't you try giving constructive criticism instead. Tell me why they are horrible and be specific with your reasoning and examples. Or is it simply yet another issue of I say it's this way and I am right and everyone else is wrong?</p></blockquote><p>I'll keep it simple for you, any monk using chi and saying its "BEAST" should never be listened to.</p>

[Blu]

<p>Ok, so here is my dps spec so far. Keep in mind this is purely for group / raid dps. I may even spec slightly differently for solo.</p><p><img src="http://www.cornerspeed.com/eq2/brawler_dps.png" width="648" height="620" /></p><p>3 pts left for whatever.</p><p><img src="http://www.cornerspeed.com/eq2/monk_dps.png" width="647" height="619" /></p><p>15 pts left to play with. That's enough to take Evade Check or fill out some solo AAs. Note that the right line is pretty much useless (accuracy is a non-issue. power issues are resolvable by other means), but it beats putting points in taunts for a dps spec. This is also why I chose to put points in Mend, Will of the Heavens, Outward Calm, and Tsunami enhancers instead of filling out the right line. They are at least useful for keeping yourself alive through AEs and detrimentals so you can keep dpsing.</p><p>Also, I hate combination, but it is extra dps if you can ever get it to work.</p><p><img src="http://www.cornerspeed.com/eq2/shadow_dps.png" width="647" height="620" /></p><p>Nothing special here. I want to get that last point for our raidwide, cobra circle, lightning fist, and the 2 bottom dmg CA enhancers. The rest is subjective (for dps).</p>

[Xill]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p></blockquote><p>Rather than being as dismissive as you were, why don't you try giving constructive criticism instead. Tell me why they are horrible and be specific with your reasoning and examples. Or is it simply yet another issue of I say it's this way and I am right and everyone else is wrong?</p></blockquote><p>I'll keep it simple for you, any monk using chi and saying its "BEAST" should never be listened to.</p></blockquote><p>Amazing, 2 incredibly useful posts in a row. How do you do it? But really you could have let him know what you thought was wrong with what he posted, it didn't even have to be detailed but just saying that is only going to ensure another clueless monk is running around.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Xill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p></blockquote><p>Rather than being as dismissive as you were, why don't you try giving constructive criticism instead. Tell me why they are horrible and be specific with your reasoning and examples. Or is it simply yet another issue of I say it's this way and I am right and everyone else is wrong?</p></blockquote><p>I'll keep it simple for you, any monk using chi and saying its "BEAST" should never be listened to.</p></blockquote><p>Amazing, 2 incredibly useful posts in a row. How do you do it? But really you could have let him know what you thought was wrong with what he posted, it didn't even have to be detailed but just saying that is only going to ensure another clueless monk is running around.</p></blockquote><p>I have been repeating the same thing over and over again for years I can't be anymore helpful.  Besides he is a great example of what not to do.</p>

[Ambrin]

<p>If I get another piece or two of SF gear that has stats like +8 DA/crit on the same item I'm going to be dropping the int line completely. I'm also going to be dropping points from the DA in the strength line in order to get the block chance. This will also free up a lot of AA point that can be used elsewhere.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Xill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p></blockquote><p>Rather than being as dismissive as you were, why don't you try giving constructive criticism instead. Tell me why they are horrible and be specific with your reasoning and examples. Or is it simply yet another issue of I say it's this way and I am right and everyone else is wrong?</p></blockquote><p>I'll keep it simple for you, any monk using chi and saying its "BEAST" should never be listened to.</p></blockquote><p>Amazing, 2 incredibly useful posts in a row. How do you do it? But really you could have let him know what you thought was wrong with what he posted, it didn't even have to be detailed but just saying that is only going to ensure another clueless monk is running around.</p></blockquote><p>Not a good idea, unfortunately or fortunatly our end game gear is have alot of crit bonus but not alot of crit you probably will want to keep the int line going.</p>

[Ambrin]

<p>I haven't seen any of the raid level jewelry, but if it follows from the heroic level gear I would expect each piece to have something like 10 crit and DA on most of the pieces. My plan was to pick up the brawler armour and the raid jewelry to keep my crit and DA up high.</p><p>My goal is currently to get about 100 to 110 self buffed crit chance, it would be nice to be able to get that without having to spend 14 points in the int line.</p>

[urgthock]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p></blockquote><p>Rather than being as dismissive as you were, why don't you try giving constructive criticism instead. Tell me why they are horrible and be specific with your reasoning and examples. Or is it simply yet another issue of I say it's this way and I am right and everyone else is wrong?</p></blockquote><p>I'll keep it simple for you, any monk using chi and saying its "BEAST" should never be listened to.</p></blockquote><p>I'm sure if you are in an end game raid guild and have good enough gear, you are more than likely near the caps on what Chi offers.  However, for the majority that don't sprinkle raid mobs on their Wheaties for breakfeast, Chi is beast.</p><p>*Gasp* I said it again!</p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xill wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Don't follow this Urgthock's aa's they are horrible,</p></blockquote><p>Rather than being as dismissive as you were, why don't you try giving constructive criticism instead. Tell me why they are horrible and be specific with your reasoning and examples. Or is it simply yet another issue of I say it's this way and I am right and everyone else is wrong?</p></blockquote><p>I'll keep it simple for you, any monk using chi and saying its "BEAST" should never be listened to.</p></blockquote><p>Amazing, 2 incredibly useful posts in a row. How do you do it? But really you could have let him know what you thought was wrong with what he posted, it didn't even have to be detailed but just saying that is only going to ensure another clueless monk is running around.</p></blockquote><p>Not a good idea, unfortunately or fortunatly our end game gear is have alot of crit bonus but not alot of crit you probably will want to keep the int line going.</p></blockquote><p>One set has like 100% crit (oddly the tanking set) the other (has more crit bonus, the dps set).For monks ( and bruisers to be honest) I would expect them to drop the dps sets haste gloves and at least take the tanking sets gloves w the damage/hate proc. (it has 10 crit).</p><p>But honestly their is mix and matching wiith the set is probably the best option. Since block chance is ALL over the tanking set and that helps our minimum block on raid tanking ALOT.</p><p>Chi is great for bruisers with knockout  (and bruisers lower haste) and good in pvp. Not so much for monks. Although in SF the recast is alot quicker.</p>

[fre'do]

<p>We can give advice but we dont know your situation.  AA lines fit the people....you know how you play.  I looked at the others and i would not even think they are usefull but then they would think the same about mine.  Me and BChizzle always disagree about monks, but we both love the class.  </p>

[bfspider]

<p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AA builds are very personal things due to the flexibility encountered with different people having different levels of gear as well as personal preference. However, with that said, here is my take on 2 AA builds. One for tanking and one for soloing/DPSing.</p><p>Solo/DPS:</p><p>Superior riposte - 1</p></blockquote><p>fyi - superior riposte got replaced with superior guard.. which was a meh change...</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>fredo wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span >We can give advice but we dont know your situation.  AA lines fit the people....you know how you play.  I looked at the others and i would not even think they are usefull but then they would think the same about mine.  Me and BChizzle always disagree about monks, but we both love the class.</span></blockquote><p>I play monk at a much higher level then you and provide people the path to get the absolute most out of their monks.  It isn't comparable with your completely limited casual playstyle for you to even come close to arguing monk builds with me.  Last I checked you weren't even close to capping your aa's in TSO what would you know about monk builds when you don't even have all your aa's?</p>

[urgthock]

<p><cite>Apples@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>AA builds are very personal things due to the flexibility encountered with different people having different levels of gear as well as personal preference. However, with that said, here is my take on 2 AA builds. One for tanking and one for soloing/DPSing.</p><p>Solo/DPS:</p><p>Superior riposte - 1</p></blockquote><p>fyi - superior riposte got replaced with superior guard.. which was a meh change...</p></blockquote><p>Indeed. They have now given us yet another ability that requires a bit of clairvoyance to use. I'm not sure if I will keep it or move that point over to combination. But I hate combination as well so... I will just have to see.</p>

[Cylmore]

<p>Can you show some screenshots to help provide that path of where you put your aa's?  Or at least give a list of how you used them?  Thanks!</p><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>I<strong><em> </em></strong></cite>provide people the path to get the absolute most out of their monks.</p></blockquote>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Cylmore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Can you show some screenshots to help provide that path of where you put your aa's?  Or at least give a list of how you used them?  Thanks!</p><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>I<strong><em> </em></strong></cite>provide people the path to get the absolute most out of their monks.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>I have 6 more AA to get to 250 then I will post my AA tree.</p>

[Lizzoraus]

<p><cite>Xerq@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Basically the two major things of note for dps are our new Flurry AA, and Crane Flock getting lower recast and a duration AA. The Mantis Bolt proc also got a boost.</p><p>I would basically spec dps like this:</p><p>Str: 4-10-0-0-8 (DA, Flurry)</p><p>Agi: 4-10 (Reuse)</p><p>Sta: 4-10 (Proc)</p><p>Wis: 10-10-2-2-8 (Proc, Crane Flock, CF duration)</p><p>Int: 4-10 (Crit chance)</p><p>The remaining 3 points, put in whatever you think will help you most (e.g. Pressure Point, Baton Flurry, Eagle Spin).</p><p>If you really want Chi, you can drop the Sta line and get it, but I wouldn't really recommend it.</p><p>Having been specced Chi for a while, over time I found it less useful than it appears on paper, because of timing between auto-attacks and long recast. If you start Chi in the middle of a long fight, your CAs are already spaced out too much to take full advantage of Chi's casting speed buff (i.e. you still can't get 2 CAs in between auto-attacks since you already spaced them out). So to get Chi's full effect, you pretty much have to lead off with it, which is sometimes not desirable for groups / raids. Also, it's recast makes it inefficient in a good group. E.g. you use it, but then it's not back up in time for the next boss fight. So, it goes unused far too often just due to mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>Personally I really like altruism from the agi line any death saves for a healer i'm a big fan of <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> With the new gear I'm at 85% crit chance unbuffed anyways(just from new legendary gear) so I dont see a huge need in putting points towards crit chance.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Lizzoraus@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xerq@Crushbone wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Basically the two major things of note for dps are our new Flurry AA, and Crane Flock getting lower recast and a duration AA. The Mantis Bolt proc also got a boost.</p><p>I would basically spec dps like this:</p><p>Str: 4-10-0-0-8 (DA, Flurry)</p><p>Agi: 4-10 (Reuse)</p><p>Sta: 4-10 (Proc)</p><p>Wis: 10-10-2-2-8 (Proc, Crane Flock, CF duration)</p><p>Int: 4-10 (Crit chance)</p><p>The remaining 3 points, put in whatever you think will help you most (e.g. Pressure Point, Baton Flurry, Eagle Spin).</p><p>If you really want Chi, you can drop the Sta line and get it, but I wouldn't really recommend it.</p><p>Having been specced Chi for a while, over time I found it less useful than it appears on paper, because of timing between auto-attacks and long recast. If you start Chi in the middle of a long fight, your CAs are already spaced out too much to take full advantage of Chi's casting speed buff (i.e. you still can't get 2 CAs in between auto-attacks since you already spaced them out). So to get Chi's full effect, you pretty much have to lead off with it, which is sometimes not desirable for groups / raids. Also, it's recast makes it inefficient in a good group. E.g. you use it, but then it's not back up in time for the next boss fight. So, it goes unused far too often just due to mechanics.</p></blockquote><p>Personally I really like altruism from the agi line any death saves for a healer i'm a big fan of <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> With the new gear I'm at 85% crit chance unbuffed anyways(just from new legendary gear) so I dont see a huge need in putting points towards crit chance.</p></blockquote><p>Death saves dont stack so ours casted on others is a complete waste when you take into account every tank has their own saves plus any healer ones that might be cast on them.</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cylmore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Can you show some screenshots to help provide that path of where you put your aa's?  Or at least give a list of how you used them?  Thanks!</p><p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>I<strong><em> </em></strong></cite>provide people the path to get the absolute most out of their monks.</p></blockquote></blockquote><p>I have 6 more AA to get to 250 then I will post my AA tree.</p></blockquote><p><img src="http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o176/mallent/AAS.jpg" width="763" height="586" /></p><p>Enjoy, one option is to drop the lightening palm from the TSO tree and pop that into mit in the monk tree if you want but this build should provide you with substancial dps and even some utility I have tanked Theer with it and really I don't think we have to overcompensate on defense on AA's anymore to raid tank but i will probably build a pure tank spec if some of the hard encounters end up too tough.  As far as the who DA and Crit argument in the KoS tree look if you are over 100% da with your gear of course it makes sense to drop DA aa's and if you are over 110% crit then sure drop the str line.  But from my experience alot of the items so far have crit bonus and potency and we don't get those from AA's so why wouldn't you use the AA's for crit and DA and load up on as much potency and crit bonus as you can on your gear?</p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p>got a few questions for you bchizzle. so you still go after crane flock/twirl? (for get the name of it) and why are you doing that lol weapons are 4.0 sec delays now that means the attacks you get from it go down. and then you say to drop crit at 110, but to crit on a mob lvl 98 epic x4 100% of the time requires a 124% crit if my guild leader has done the math right so then why drop it to go below 100% and not crit 100% of the time increasing your dps</p>

[BChizzle]

<p><cite>Mosha DKhan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span >got a few questions for you bchizzle. so you still go after crane flock/twirl? (for get the name of it) and why are you doing that lol weapons are 4.0 sec delays now that means the attacks you get from it go down. and then you say to drop crit at 110, but to crit on a mob lvl 98 epic x4 100% of the time requires a 124% crit if my guild leader has done the math right so then why drop it to go below 100% and not crit 100% of the time increasing your dps</span></blockquote><p>4 second delays doesn't mean less dps from craneflock.  110% add a bard what are you at?  I doubt you will be taking down a level 98 x4 without a bard.</p>

[Cylmore]

<p>Xerq and BChizzle and others who have posted ss or listed aa's.  thanks.  Mine won't be exactly what is listed but it has really helped me out in figuring things out.  thanks again.</p>

[mr23sgte]

<p>N/M</p>

[Blu]

<p><cite>urgthock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm sure if you are in an end game raid guild and have good enough gear, you are more than likely near the caps on what Chi offers.  However, for the majority that don't sprinkle raid mobs on their Wheaties for breakfeast, Chi is beast.</p><p>*Gasp* I said it again!</p></blockquote><p>Raiders could as likely be near caps on DA as they could on DPS, so a preference to CF over Chi is not necessarily due to stat caps.</p><p>Chi is a great utility for solo play, particularly for farming bosses. But for group/raid dps, you are going to do better (at least in TSO and SF where there's a lot of multi-mob encounters) with Crane Flock.</p><p>Assuming +dps and +da are both capped with gear/buffs, consider that best case, Chi will double your CA dps for 30 seconds (lets you get 2 full CA rotations in place of 1) and is usable every ... what? 7 minutes and change with Agi line and buffs? Compare that to Crane Flock which will take your auto-attack dps and multiply it by however many mobs you are facing (up to 4x) for 24 seconds, and is usable many times more often than Chi. Even if CA dps accounted for up to half of a monk's total dps (which is probably generous), the choice for dps is still pretty clearly in favor of CF.</p>

[Mosha D'Khan]

<p><cite>BChizzle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mosha DKhan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span>got a few questions for you bchizzle. so you still go after crane flock/twirl? (for get the name of it) and why are you doing that lol weapons are 4.0 sec delays now that means the attacks you get from it go down. and then you say to drop crit at 110, but to crit on a mob lvl 98 epic x4 100% of the time requires a 124% crit if my guild leader has done the math right so then why drop it to go below 100% and not crit 100% of the time increasing your dps</span></blockquote><p>4 second delays doesn't mean less dps from craneflock.  110% add a bard what are you at?  I doubt you will be taking down a level 98 x4 without a bard.</p></blockquote><p>4 second delay does mean less dps from it. if you auto attack less it goes off less which mean.....oh no it procs less. add it all up and you get less dps. and you just said you you where at over 100% drop the crit. think the crit gives you 19.8% not sure something like that which puts you down to an 90 ifyou are at 110%. so with a dirge you get to 100% but guess what you are still 24% short of criting 100% of the time on 98 epic x4, and with you saying you dont get much crit out of raid gear, i am will to bet you dont make that 24% up. ant currrently i am at 121% crit if you must know with a 102 DA. now with my myth proc i get to a 133% so i am thinking about droping the crit line. but if i do that now i go to a 101% and with a dirge it is a 111% so i still am not there. so if i get a few more pieces i might but for the mean time i am going to stay with the crits so all my stuff is crits doing more damage = more dps. if you dont get that, then you are not the uber brawlers you claim to be and are telling people the wrong stuff and heading them to bad ideas. but hey i get it now. you are scared with a new expansion that there is more competition of someone one geting higher lvl and taking you raid spot.</p>

[Dorieon]

<p><cite>Mosha DKhan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>4 second delay does mean less dps from it. if you auto attack less it goes off less which mean.....oh no it procs less. add it all up and you get less dps. and you just said you you where at over 100% drop the crit. think the crit gives you 19.8% not sure something like that which puts you down to an 90 ifyou are at 110%. so with a dirge you get to 100% but guess what you are still 24% short of criting 100% of the time on 98 epic x4, and with you saying you dont get much crit out of raid gear, i am will to bet you dont make that 24% up. ant currrently i am at 121% crit if you must know with a 102 DA. now with my myth proc i get to a 133% so i am thinking about droping the crit line. but if i do that now i go to a 101% and with a dirge it is a 111% so i still am not there. so if i get a few more pieces i might but for the mean time i am going to stay with the crits so all my stuff is crits doing more damage = more dps. if you dont get that, then you are not the uber brawlers you claim to be and are telling people the wrong stuff and heading them to bad ideas. but hey i get it now. you are scared with a new expansion that there is more competition of someone one geting higher lvl and taking you raid spot.</blockquote><p>1. 4 sec delay won't be less dps unless the weapon is inferior to your 2.5 delay weapons. They make up for hitting less often by hitting and thus critting for more. You shouldn't lose any dps from procs either. Find a couple 4 sec delay weapons with close to the same damage rating as whatever you are using now and test it on some training dummies.  </p><p>2. I'm pretty sure Bchizzle meant if you can be at 110% crit <em>without </em>our crit line then you could drop it. If you are at 121% crit you could definitely drop a few points and still be maxed out with a dirge. If you dropped 5 points you would still have 112%. Unless you mean 121% with a dirge and then you probably need to keep it as is.</p>

[Blu]

<p><cite>Mosha DKhan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>{0}</blockquote><p>You're completely wrong about a 4 sec delay being worse dps.</p><p>Assuming we are comparing a 4 delay weapon and a 2.5 delay of the same damage rating:</p><ol><li>The 4 delay weapon is going to hit less often but harder to make up for it, as Dorieon said. This is inherent in the way that DR is calculated.</li><li>Most procs are normalized (including myth proc), meaning that proc chance is calculated based on weapon delay. Slower weapons get an increased chance to proc to compensate.</li></ol><div>The only real advantage I can see with a 4 delay weapon is possibly being able to get 2 CAs between auto-attack swings. That would probably increase our dps on short fights, but on long fights it'd be about the same once you run out of CAs to mash.</div><div></div><div>But I haven't finished myth buff quest, so I haven't discovered yet if I can fit 2 CAs between 4.0 delay weapon swings.</div><div></div>

[Kasandria]

<p>As a casual/duo/threesome player who always has a cleric and usually has a conjurer with me I'm really more interested in DPS on a heroic at best level.   I'm not likely to ever get my epic although I have some shards from before they 'fixed' it.. I mostly have quested or mastercrafted gear. Anyone have suggestions for that kind of set up?   I never, ever raid and not to be rude, but it doesn't seem like a raid setup would be the best for me.  I appreciate the info in this thread although the tone of some of the responses is shabby and would appreciate a guideline for the busy with life kind of monk I am.</p><p>I have to admit the new stats have me slightly befuddled as well, I can't figure out whether I should be going for STR since I'm only in the 800's on that or clip my str for crits or for .. etc. either LOL</p>