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Aneova

02-05-2010, 10:57 PM

Now that the NDA has been officially lifted... I can post this, this is 100% spoiler do not read beyond the warning flag ... For those that do... Enjoy!The following is a log for the quest series detailing the Fall of Erudin.SPOILERThe Deepwater Chronicler says, "It is a curious time for the people of Erudin. "The Deepwater Chronicler: says, "After the theft of the Books of Knowledge by the Norrathian pantheon the residents of Erudin and Paineel have struck a truce. Together they work to solve the mystery of teleportation."The Deepwater Chronicler: says, "Rallied behind the wise but aloof scholar, El'Arad, the erudites of Odus work painstakingly to create their own Nexus beneath the town of Quel'ule."The Deepwater Chronicler:says, "On a cold Feastday morning, Head Councilman El'Arad gathered his fellow High Council members, the High Guard of Erud and the Deepwater Knights for an important announcement."El'Arad says, "Citizens of Erudin, hear me now. Today marks a momentous occasion in erudite history. "El'Arad says, "Over one hundred years ago we fought with the people of Paineel concerning areas of study we once shunned. "El'Arad says, "Those days are no more."El'Arad says, "With the departure of the so-called "Gods" and their theft of the teleportative arts they have inadvertently blessed our kind."El'Arad says, "At this moment we stand on the precipice of greatness."El'Arad says, "A new era of amazing discovery beckons and we have answered the call."El'Arad says, "A new united Odus has risen and now members from both cities are close to the completion of the Grand Farisian Nexus!"El'Arad says, "The price of such greatness does come with sacrifice, however."El'Arad says, "Each of you has been asked to personally contribute your time and talents to a myriad number of tasks and responsibilities. "El'Arad says, "It pleases me to know that everyone who has been asked to help has gladly given unto themselves willingly and enthusiastically."El'Arad says, " For that I thank you all deeply."El'Arad says, "That is why I am pleased to tell you all today that in order to expediate the completion of our Great Project, we will be reorganizing some of our city's organizations."Budayl Idris says, "What is he talking about?"El'Arad says, "Many citizens will no longer be bound to antiquated responsibilities created long ago."El'Arad says, "The High Guards of Erud was created over a hundred years ago to combat the forces of Paineel. Today that threat no longer exists."El'Arad says, "A citizen of Paineel is just as welcome to study in the libraries of Erudin as we are welcome visit the research halls of Paineel."El'Arad says, "Effective immediately I am disbanding the High Guards of Erud so that their ranks can bolster the workforce constructing the Grand Farisian Nexus."Madani Lu'ay says, "Wonderful!"Budayl Idris says, "What!?"Jabalah Idris says, "The High Council has no such authority!"Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "Has he gone mad?"El'Arad says, "No longer will the High Guard be forced to stand about idle, guarding against a threat that no longer exists. "El'Arad says, "I am freeing you brothers so that you may now contribute to our people's greatest undertaking of all time."El'Arad says, "Go now citizens and spread the word. No longer will you be shackled by antiquity."El'Arad says, "The golden age of Odus is upon us and together we shall fulfill our destiny!"The Deepwater Chronicler says, "News of the High Guards' termination did not sit well with its leadership, Vicegerent Jabalah and his brother Budayl."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "Later that evening a meeting was held with the leader of the Deepwater Knights, Sir Thamir Fa'iz."Jabalah Idris says, "That fool El'Arad is putting this entire city at risk."Jabalah Idris says, "You do not simply disband your entire city guard!"Jabalah Idris says, "Who knows what undiscovered threats present themselves."Budayl Idris says, "Brother, listen to me."Budayl Idris says, "So long as the Ocean of Tears remain too dangerous to travel and teleportation no longer possible Odus has become a citadel island."Budayl Idris says, "There are no threats that can reach us."Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "Be still my friend. The Deepwater Knights still remain a vigilant guardian for the people of Erudin."Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "My men have all sworn oaths to protect this great city with our lives."Jabalah Idris says, "Ha! Don't you see the inevitable? "Jabalah Idris says, "This is but the first step in city-wide power grab. Who will El'Arad dissolve next?"Jabalah Idris says, "The Craftkeepers?"Jabalah Idris says, "The Crimson Hand?"Jabalah Idris says, "The Deepwater Knights?"Jabalah Idris says, "Mark my words Thamir, no good will come of this. The power-hungry El'Arad must be stopped at once."Budayl Idris says, "Brother wait! Anger blows out the candle of the mind."Budayl Idris says, "Stay a while and think through your next course of action before you act rashly."Jabalah Idris says, "There is no time to wait."Jabalah Idris says, "I must convince El'Arad to change his mind before the High Guard has fully been disbanded and reassigned."Jabalah Idris says, "I will put an end to his destructive machinations now!"Madani Lu'ay says, "My master must be warned of this matter at once!"The Deepwater Chronicler says, "With great haste Jabalah made his way to El'Arad's personal chambers deep inside Erudin Palace."Jabalah Idris says, "El'Arad! Show yourself at once!"El'Arad says, "Vicegerent Jabalah, to what do I owe this pleasure? "El'Arad says, "I would have thought you had left for Quel'ule to begin your new assignment already."Jabalah Idris says, "By whose authority do you dare to disband the High Guards of Erud?"Jabalah Idris says, "Our people need protection at all times!"El'Arad says, "Stay yourself, master Jabalah."El'Arad says, "Erudin remains in the safe hands of the High Council. You must understand that now our greatest purpose has been revealed."El'Arad says, "The Grand Farisian Nexus stands paramount to this city's interests. All resources must be applied to its completion at once."Jabalah Idris says, "You would put this entire city at risk just to complete your teleportation experiment?"Jabalah Idris says, "Truly you are mad."Jabalah Idris says, "At the next meeting of the High Council I fully intend to file a motion of no confidence."Jabalah Idris says, "You may have coerced the minds of your fellow council members, but you cannot deceive the entire city of Erudin."Jabalah Idris says, "Disbanding the High Guard makes no logical sense."Jabalah Idris says, "You already have an army of scholars, researchers and laborers working around the clock on the new Nexus."Jabalah Idris says, "The removal of the Guard would seem impractical unless you view their presence as a threat..."El'Arad says, "This is much more than a simple experiment, boy!"El'Arad says, "This is even bigger than Erudin! A greater matter than all of Odus!"El'Arad says, "The creation of Nexus heralds the coming of the Grand Seraph! Nothing shall stop his return!"Jabalah Idris says, "What foul creatures are these!?"El'Arad says, "Make certain that he does not exit this palace alive."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "The murder of Vicegerent Jabalah threatened to disrupt El'Arad's plan to control the city of Erudin."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "After denying any involvement in the Vicegerent's disappearance, El'Arad pushed the activation of the new Nexus months ahead of schedule."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "Unbeknownst to El'Arad the mystical designs of the spires were channeled to feed their energy through the Nexus in Luclin."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "When the new Ulteran Spires were activated, they attempted to touch the original Nexus. This caused the Ulteran Spires discharged the energy back into the new Nexus, which in turn exploded outward across Odus."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "This explosion of mystical energy not only destroyed the newly constructed Ulteran Spires on Antonica, but also tore through the fabric of reality itself, causing the entire continent of Odus to shift into Ultera."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "Realizing now was the time to act, El'Arad revealed his secret allies to the rest of Erudin's populace. Shadowed Men and other denizens of the void began to appear in the city causing havoc and destruction."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "In an attempt to save as many citizens as they could, Sir Thamir Fa'iz and Budayl Idris organized an evacuation of Erudin."Budayl Idris says, "Thamir, the forces of the void increase each moment I fear not everyone will escape!"Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "My men and I are organizing a counter-attack this moment. Find as many members of the High Guard as you can and evacuate the library."Budayl Idris says, "It's too late! Our enemy draws near this very moment. We must defend ourselves!"Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "For Erudin!"Budayl Idris says, "That... That was Madani, El'Arad's chief advisor. He was leading those creatures!"Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "Is it possible the High Council is in league with the Shadowed Men and the forces of the void?"Budayl Idris says, "I'm afraid we must assume the worst."Budayl Idris says, "With the attack on the refuges as well as my brother's disappearance, I have little doubt that the High Council has become wholly corrupted and must be deposed immediately."Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "Then we have no choice. We must confront the High Council and demand that they step down at once."Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "Budayl, I want you to summon as many remaining members of the High Guard as you can find. I will assemble as many of the Deepwater Knights as I can find."Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "Tomorrow we will march on Erudin Palace."Budayl Idris says, "Tomorrow we will commit an act many will see as treason. "Budayl Idris says, "Let it be known that our challenge of the High Council's rule is not an attempt to usurp power, but depose an immoral leader who stands to tear down our beloved city."Sir Thamir Fa'iz says, "So say we all."Budayl Idris says, "So say we all."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "The following of over one hundred men and women soldiers marched through the streets of Erudin towards the palace."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "Lead by Sir Thamir and the de-facto leader of the High Guard, Budayl the army enters the palace, finding it undefended. Cautiously they crept deeper within the vast halls of the impressive structure. "The Deepwater Chronicler says, "No sooner than when the last soldier entered the palace the huge iron doors of the palace swung shut, trapping the rebellious army within."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "The sounds of an extraordinary battle were soon heard."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "Thunderous explosions and screams of agony pierced the morning air of Erudin in a cacophony of agony. The last remnants of justice were all but wiped out. "The Deepwater Chronicler says, "El'Arad's capture of Erudin was now complete."The Deepwater Chronicler says, "The Order of the Deepwater Knights was no more."EDIT: Added some spacing for easier reading... sorry...

teddyboy4

02-06-2010, 12:13 AM

Now THIS is interesting....wowThis one log, all at once, confirmed a couple of the greater mysteries we've been debating since EQ2's release...We now have confirmation that the Spire system was indeed "powered" through, and irrevocably tied into, the Nexus on Luclin.We now know exactly how, and why, the Erudites of Erudin and Paineel were finally reunited.We now know what happened to the High Guard, and more interestingly (to me atleast) the Deepwater Knights.We also know that when the Erudites tried activating their Ulteran Spires that it kind of shot a blast of power up to Luclin, which apparentely coursed through the Nexus, and was then returned to Odus. We know that this is what nearly destroyed Odus, and shifted into the realm of Ultera...But it also seems possible that this "blast" could have been what destroyed Luclin. The story stops short of saying this itself, but it certainly seems plausible, especially if you follow a line of thought that goes something like: if luclin had already exploded, then the Nexus would've probably been destroyed with it, so for the power to go up into the Nexus, and be returned means the Nexus must've been at least partially whole.El'Arad seems to have been in cohoots w/ not only the Void forces, but w/ Theer himself, or the "Grand Seraph" as he called him.Damned interesting post, thanks for taking the time to post the log. I'm sooo glad we can finally discuss all this.

Triasa

02-06-2010, 12:19 AM

Excellent job on the write-up! My cheap synopsis could not do it justice <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />

Aneova

02-06-2010, 12:20 AM

Cusashorn

02-06-2010, 04:33 PM

Yikes! WALL OF TEXT! you wouldn't happen to have an abridged version, would you?

Aneova

02-06-2010, 06:51 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yikes! WALL OF TEXT! you wouldn't happen to have an abridged version, would you?</blockquote>LOL sorry i spent like 4 hours editing it to begin with so i was very much just into posting it. What i will do is ad some spacing for folks.

Meirril

02-07-2010, 03:20 AM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now THIS is interesting....wowThis one log, all at once, confirmed a couple of the greater mysteries we've been debating since EQ2's release...We now have confirmation that the Spire system was indeed "powered" through, and irrevocably tied into, the Nexus on Luclin.We now know exactly how, and why, the Erudites of Erudin and Paineel were finally reunited.We now know what happened to the High Guard, and more interestingly (to me atleast) the Deepwater Knights.We also know that when the Erudites tried activating their Ulteran Spires that it kind of shot a blast of power up to Luclin, which apparentely coursed through the Nexus, and was then returned to Odus. We know that this is what nearly destroyed Odus, and shifted into the realm of Ultera...But it also seems possible that this "blast" could have been what destroyed Luclin. The story stops short of saying this itself, but it certainly seems plausible, especially if you follow a line of thought that goes something like: if luclin had already exploded, then the Nexus would've probably been destroyed with it, so for the power to go up into the Nexus, and be returned means the Nexus must've been at least partially whole.El'Arad seems to have been in cohoots w/ not only the Void forces, but w/ Theer himself, or the "Grand Seraph" as he called him.Damned interesting post, thanks for taking the time to post the log. I'm sooo glad we can finally discuss all this.</blockquote>The information is very interesting but...it doesn't provide detailed answers to everything.The gods theft of the books of knowledge? Is this a common phrase amongst the Euradites in that certain magics stopped working, or are we actually talking about the libraries of Euradin and Paineel being sacked by the gods? Was it a particular artifact we're talking about here? Teleportation magic stopped working, and they blamed the gods. So, was the origional Nexus destroyed already or just inactive? Didn't the Shattering take place some 350 years after the God's departure? So...did all of this take place less than 150 years ago? 50 year ago? When?The Ulterian Spire system was build to use the Nexus in Luclin, not the Farisian Nexus. As such, this critical error caused the spire to attempt to use the non-existant Luclin Nexus as a focal point which caused a massive backlash which destroyed the Ulterian Spire Network and propelled Odus into Ulteria if I'm reading it correctly. The Ulterian Spire Network wasn't using the Luclin Nexus as a power source. If that was the case, it should of simply failed to activate just like the Combine Spires.Even more currious, why does the Combine Spire in Odus work, when none of the other combine spires work? The Odus spire is tied into the Ulterian Network...but Gfay and KP are not. This...makes no sense.We know what the High Guard and Deepwater Knights were intending to do, and why you don't see any Deepwater Knights wandering around Odus. We actually don't know what their ultimate fate is until we go to Euradin Palace. I'd be you find a lot of equipment with their markings on it if you do.Also the entire bit about "shooting a blast to Luclin" is possible, but the timing seems a little questionable. They didn't mention any effects on Luclin and it is possible for this story to work before, as the cause of, or after the shattering.What we do know is that El'Arad and the High Council are working with the forces of the Void. They also moved against the High Guard and the Deepwater Knights and those organizations have not been herd from again. Elsewhere you can see agents of Euradin moving with the Void Creatures and the remain unchanged by "the ceremony". Now that is something I'd like to hear a few answers about!

Payneal The Great

02-07-2010, 03:24 AM

People read the lore in MMO's?

Mirander_1

02-07-2010, 02:48 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The gods theft of the books of knowledge? Is this a common phrase amongst the Euradites in that certain magics stopped working, or are we actually talking about the libraries of Euradin and Paineel being sacked by the gods? Was it a particular artifact we're talking about here? Teleportation magic stopped working, and they blamed the gods. So, was the origional Nexus destroyed already or just inactive? Didn't the Shattering take place some 350 years after the God's departure? So...did all of this take place less than 150 years ago? 50 year ago? When?</blockquote>The Books of Knowledge were objects that allowed people to teleport to the Plane of Knowledge, and from there to the rest of the planes. When the Planes of Power expansion came out in EQlive, these books appeared outside each of the cities, to allow travel to and from the plane.

Cusashorn

02-07-2010, 03:43 PM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The gods theft of the books of knowledge? Is this a common phrase amongst the Euradites in that certain magics stopped working, or are we actually talking about the libraries of Euradin and Paineel being sacked by the gods? Was it a particular artifact we're talking about here? Teleportation magic stopped working, and they blamed the gods. So, was the origional Nexus destroyed already or just inactive? Didn't the Shattering take place some 350 years after the God's departure? So...did all of this take place less than 150 years ago? 50 year ago? When?</blockquote>The Books of Knowledge were objects that allowed people to teleport to the Plane of Knowledge, and from there to the rest of the planes. When the Planes of Power expansion came out in EQlive, these books appeared outside each of the cities, to allow travel to and from the plane. </blockquote>evidently if this is true, they forgot to take Freeport's book.

teddyboy4

02-07-2010, 04:35 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The gods theft of the books of knowledge? Is this a common phrase amongst the Euradites in that certain magics stopped working, or are we actually talking about the libraries of Euradin and Paineel being sacked by the gods? Was it a particular artifact we're talking about here? Teleportation magic stopped working, and they blamed the gods. So, was the origional Nexus destroyed already or just inactive? Didn't the Shattering take place some 350 years after the God's departure? So...did all of this take place less than 150 years ago? 50 year ago? When?</blockquote>The Books of Knowledge were objects that allowed people to teleport to the Plane of Knowledge, and from there to the rest of the planes. When the Planes of Power expansion came out in EQlive, these books appeared outside each of the cities, to allow travel to and from the plane. </blockquote>evidently if this is true, they forgot to take Freeport's book.</blockquote>Maybe b/c the book in Freeport was already destroyed...or maybe the Freeportians fought back against the planar invaders trying to take the Book back, and it was destroyed in the battle? I'm just saying...<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Ulterian Spire system was build to use the Nexus in Luclin, not the Farisian Nexus. As such, this critical error caused the spire to attempt to use the non-existant Luclin Nexus as a focal point which caused a massive backlash which destroyed the Ulterian Spire Network and propelled Odus into Ulteria if I'm reading it correctly. The Ulterian Spire Network wasn't using the Luclin Nexus as a power source. If that was the case, it should of simply failed to activate just like the Combine Spires.</blockquote>As for the Spires and my comment above, I was reffering to the Combine Spire system, not the Ulteran Spires, being tied into, and powered through the Nexus on Luclin. It seems that the Council and El'Arad weren't aware of the Combine Spires being tied into the Nexus on Luclin, and they re-used some of the Combine Spires in their own system, so when they tried powering up their Spires, which were powered through their own Nexus on Odus, it shot a beam of power up through the Luclin Nexus which caused feedback and ended up obliterating Odus and shifting it into another dimension.

Jaranna

02-08-2010, 03:03 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>evidently if this is true, they forgot to take Freeport's book.</blockquote>What do you mean? There is a "Destroyed Knowledge Portal" in Longshadow Alley, but there is no book pedestal there. There is also no book near the West Freeport gate that I have seen. Is there something I've missed?

PsiaMeese

02-08-2010, 11:25 PM

I can't quote the dialogue at the moment. But one of the Erudite's, outside of Quel'lule (the temple), indicates that this Feedback event occured over 200 years ago (unless that changes post Beta). Those forum quests which rewarded those Researcher's Notes tell of events leading to the Feedback itself. So this is, roughly, how long Odus has been in the state that we find it.The Shattering occured much later. If there is anything eluding to Luclin's destruction in SF no one has stumbled upon that yet.

Cusashorn

02-09-2010, 03:19 AM

<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't quote the dialogue at the moment. But one of the Erudite's, outside of Quel'lule (the temple), indicates that this Feedback event occured over 200 years ago (unless that changes post Beta). Those forum quests which rewarded those Researcher's Notes tell of events leading to the Feedback itself. So this is, roughly, how long Odus has been in the state that we find it.The Shattering occured much later. If there is anything eluding to Luclin's destruction in SF no one has stumbled upon that yet.</blockquote>Yeah.. Luclin blew up 50 years ago. If the Feedback happened 200 years ago, then that's one significantly huge build up of latent kinetic energy to release itself 150 years later.

Eriol

02-09-2010, 05:01 PM

It's possible everybody here is putting too much into the "over one hundred years ago we fought" statement. If he'd said "hundreds of years ago" would it be the same? Or what if the fighting did NOT stop right after the books were taken? What if it took hundreds of years BEFORE the fighting stopped, and it's only been a hundred since they stopped at the time of the speech?Don't look at the statements here as if they SAY that they stopped immediately when the Gods took the books. Just like IRL how people say that Archduke Ferdinand's death triggered WWI, that doesn't mean that the day of his death was the start date of the war. Similarly with this, just because the theft of the books and the isolation of Odus made the truce possible, doesn't mean it was the start date of the truce.

Meirril

02-10-2010, 01:58 AM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Ulterian Spire system was build to use the Nexus in Luclin, not the Farisian Nexus. As such, this critical error caused the spire to attempt to use the non-existant Luclin Nexus as a focal point which caused a massive backlash which destroyed the Ulterian Spire Network and propelled Odus into Ulteria if I'm reading it correctly. The Ulterian Spire Network wasn't using the Luclin Nexus as a power source. If that was the case, it should of simply failed to activate just like the Combine Spires.</blockquote>As for the Spires and my comment above, I was reffering to the Combine Spire system, not the Ulteran Spires, being tied into, and powered through the Nexus on Luclin. It seems that the Council and El'Arad weren't aware of the Combine Spires being tied into the Nexus on Luclin, and they re-used some of the Combine Spires in their own system, so when they tried powering up their Spires, which were powered through their own Nexus on Odus, it shot a beam of power up through the Luclin Nexus which caused feedback and ended up obliterating Odus and shifting it into another dimension.</blockquote>In the dialogue refered to above, it specifically states that El'rad attempted to activate the Ulterian spires which were aimed at the Luclin Nexus. Nowhere above does it mention the Combine Spire system unless your quoting me as a source?

Meirril

02-10-2010, 02:01 AM

<cite>Jaranna wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>evidently if this is true, they forgot to take Freeport's book.</blockquote>What do you mean? There is a "Destroyed Knowledge Portal" in Longshadow Alley, but there is no book pedestal there. There is also no book near the West Freeport gate that I have seen. Is there something I've missed?</blockquote>There isn't anything else that this monument could be refering to. Also Longshadow Alley probably grew around the portal and could actually be the old west freeport gate. There is a lot of "reinterpretation" that went on when Freeport was translated for EQ2.

Meirril

02-10-2010, 02:18 AM

<cite>Eriol wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's possible everybody here is putting too much into the "over one hundred years ago we fought" statement. If he'd said "hundreds of years ago" would it be the same? Or what if the fighting did NOT stop right after the books were taken? What if it took hundreds of years BEFORE the fighting stopped, and it's only been a hundred since they stopped at the time of the speech?Don't look at the statements here as if they SAY that they stopped immediately when the Gods took the books. Just like IRL how people say that Archduke Ferdinand's death triggered WWI, that doesn't mean that the day of his death was the start date of the war. Similarly with this, just because the theft of the books and the isolation of Odus made the truce possible, doesn't mean it was the start date of the truce.</blockquote>Right now we've only got an internal time refrence here. 100 years after they started working on the new Nexus El'Arath called for the disbanning of the Euradin High Guard. Sometime after that, say within months or years, El'Arad attempted to activate the Ulterian Teleportation Network with disasterous results and propelled Odus into Ulteria. El'Arad summoned his void allies to assist him and then the Deepwater Knights and some of the former Euradin High Guard were lured into the Euradin Palace and ambushed. The Deepwater Knights and Euradin High Guard have not been seen since.We don't know when it started, we don't know when it ended, and we can only put some guesswork to narrow the possible timeline down.It has to be after the time the gods withdrew. The seas are rough and impassible. Teleportation to Odus is not working. This means after the Rending. Considering the appearance of the void faction Euradites, I'm going to have to say this happens either during or before "the Ceremony" unless for some bizarre reason the void faction euradites choose to undergo some ritual to restore their pre-ceremony appearance? How they remain looking like pre-ceremony euradites is somewhat of a mysterie unless they actually are void possessed and the ceremony only affected begins with an euradite soul?

teddyboy4

02-11-2010, 08:45 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Ulterian Spire system was build to use the Nexus in Luclin, not the Farisian Nexus. As such, this critical error caused the spire to attempt to use the non-existant Luclin Nexus as a focal point which caused a massive backlash which destroyed the Ulterian Spire Network and propelled Odus into Ulteria if I'm reading it correctly. The Ulterian Spire Network wasn't using the Luclin Nexus as a power source. If that was the case, it should of simply failed to activate just like the Combine Spires.</blockquote>As for the Spires and my comment above, I was reffering to the Combine Spire system, not the Ulteran Spires, being tied into, and powered through the Nexus on Luclin. It seems that the Council and El'Arad weren't aware of the Combine Spires being tied into the Nexus on Luclin, and they re-used some of the Combine Spires in their own system, so when they tried powering up their Spires, which were powered through their own Nexus on Odus, it shot a beam of power up through the Luclin Nexus which caused feedback and ended up obliterating Odus and shifting it into another dimension.</blockquote>In the dialogue refered to above, it specifically states that El'rad attempted to activate the Ulterian spires which were aimed at the Luclin Nexus. Nowhere above does it mention the Combine Spire system unless your quoting me as a source?</blockquote>My original statement: "We now have confirmation that the Spire system was indeed "powered" through, and irrevocably tied into, the Nexus on Luclin.", was refering to the Combine Spires being tied into, and powered by the Nexus on Luclin, not the Ulteran. I was trying to say that we now have confirmation exactly how the Combine Spires work, and they are powered through, and tied into the Luclin Nexus. My reasons for this conclusion were stated below.The Ulteran Spires were only pointed to the Nexus on Luclin b/c they based the design of the Ulteran Spires on the Combine Spires, and may have actually tried to reuse some of the Combine Spires, and the Erudites didn't know that the Combine Spires were tied into the Luclin Nexus.So, you're right, nowhere above did it mention the Combine Spire system, but I thought it was pretty obvious. To be fair, this was conjecture when I posted it, I was using lore posted in this thread, and bits and pieces I had read elsewhere. But with the 3rd part of the research notes which were just released, it's now pretty much stated that the reason for the feedback upon switching the Ulteran Spires on was b/c the Erudite council (specifically El'Arad) were either ignorant to the complete working of the Combine Spires, leading to reuse of existing Combine Spires, or they just tried to copy the Combine design wholesale; or that El'Arad and the Council were purposefully keeping such information from the Erudite public b/c they knew the feedback was going to happen through their Void connections and is the real reason for El'Arad's plans.

Foolsfolly

02-12-2010, 02:49 AM

I expect that El'Arad intentionally sabotaged the spires, knowing exactly what would happen. With him already being influenced/corrupted by the void, he needed to create a bridge between Norrath and the Void so that Theer could return. Ultera was close enough to both plains to serve as such a bridge, it just needed a continent full of erudites to connect the dots.

KniteShayd

02-16-2010, 09:04 AM

<blockquote>The information is very interesting but...it doesn't provide detailed answers to everything.The gods theft of the books of knowledge? Is this a common phrase amongst the Euradites in that certain magics stopped working, or are we actually talking about the libraries of Euradin and Paineel being sacked by the gods? Was it a particular artifact we're talking about here? Teleportation magic stopped working, and they blamed the gods. So, was the origional Nexus destroyed already or just inactive? Didn't the Shattering take place some 350 years after the God's departure? So...did all of this take place less than 150 years ago? 50 year ago? When?As answered before this post, the books were much like statues that ported you to the Plane of Knowledge (PoK-in EQ). Kinda like how the bells "port" you around; but in stead of taking an imaginary boat, you were actually teleported.The Ulterian Spire system was build to use the Nexus in Luclin, not the Farisian Nexus. As such, this critical error caused the spire to attempt to use the non-existant Luclin Nexus as a focal point which caused a massive backlash which destroyed the Ulterian Spire Network and propelled Odus into Ulteria if I'm reading it correctly. The Ulterian Spire Network wasn't using the Luclin Nexus as a power source. If that was the case, it should of simply failed to activate just like the Combine Spires.It seems that El'Arad knew what he was doing by using the Nexus within the spire plans. He really wasn't trying to power the spires, but open a rift to allow the void minions in to Norrath. That is why Zal'Urid couldn't make sense of why the plans could work. Zal knew that the use of the Nexus was futile, but didn't know that El'Arad was using the network as a cover. He only suspected (as far we know) that El'Arard had alterior motives.Even more currious, why does the Combine Spire in Odus work, when none of the other combine spires work? The Odus spire is tied into the Ulterian Network...but Gfay and KP are not. This...makes no sense.The Ulteran Spires are not the same as the Combine Spires, although they can be used to connect to eachother.We know what the High Guard and Deepwater Knights were intending to do, and why you don't see any Deepwater Knights wandering around Odus. We actually don't know what their ultimate fate is until we go to Euradin Palace. I'd be you find a lot of equipment with their markings on it if you do.I haven't been to Odus, but the post states that they all went to stop El'Arad. If that was the case, they were killed (or whatever) while in the palace. So I would guess, you probably would find some remants and fodder there.Also the entire bit about "shooting a blast to Luclin" is possible, but the timing seems a little questionable. They didn't mention any effects on Luclin and it is possible for this story to work before, as the cause of, or after the shattering.It doesn't detail the type of energy the blast used. It could be assumed the blast was more light-like, or Electromagnetic-like in nature, and not necessarily like a blast of flame.What we do know is that El'Arad and the High Council are working with the forces of the Void. They also moved against the High Guard and the Deepwater Knights and those organizations have not been herd from again. Elsewhere you can see agents of Erudin moving with the Void Creatures and they remain unchanged by "the ceremony". Now that is something I'd like to hear a few answers about!Me too!</blockquote>

Meirril

02-17-2010, 09:07 AM

<cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>Even more currious, why does the Combine Spire in Odus work, when none of the other combine spires work? The Odus spire is tied into the Ulterian Network...but Gfay and KP are not. This...makes no sense.The Ulteran Spires are not the same as the Combine Spires, although they can be used to connect to eachother. </blockquote></blockquote>The whole set up is internally inconsistant. The Euradites built an entire network of Ulterian Spires across all of Norrath... but didn't place one in Odus? Even more currious, we re-built and built spires in Norrath and yet the Odus spire is a combine spire? The combine spires in Norrath were left OUT of the new network. Why is the Odus spire the only combine spire being used? Why this single exception? There has to be a reason for it other than "The Ulterian spires look lame and Combine Spires are cool." What is that reason?

Vaedaer

02-17-2010, 10:32 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Euri@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>Even more currious, why does the Combine Spire in Odus work, when none of the other combine spires work? The Odus spire is tied into the Ulterian Network...but Gfay and KP are not. This...makes no sense.The Ulteran Spires are not the same as the Combine Spires, although they can be used to connect to eachother. </blockquote></blockquote>The whole set up is internally inconsistant. The Euradites built an entire network of Ulterian Spires across all of Norrath... but didn't place one in Odus? Even more currious, we re-built and built spires in Norrath and yet the Odus spire is a combine spire? The combine spires in Norrath were left OUT of the new network. Why is the Odus spire the only combine spire being used? Why this single exception? There has to be a reason for it other than "The Ulterian spires look lame and Combine Spires are cool." What is that reason?</blockquote>I think the reason for this is because Odus itself became a Nexus like Luclin was the natural nexus of the combine spires /shrugs They messed up, they ported odus to the place they use to port to so ... they prolly didn't needed an ulteran spire like the combine didnt needed a combine spire on luclin before porting there.

PokemonLuVer

02-17-2010, 12:50 PM

I have a couple of theories why the Odus spire is a combine spire. Perhaps it is the Prototype, though there isn't any indication it has been altered physically it may be magically changed. Also it is the only spire within ultera itself it stands to reason that it would work differently. Also we are attempting to put reason that for all intents and purposes was an experiment with unkown outcomes. True Theer and El'Arad were attempting such a result but in truth they didn't know the outcome, Theer certainly wouldn't care if it didn't work or destroyed Odus entirely, and El'Arad was too arrogant to assume it may not work as planned.If you are under the assumption as I am, that El'Arad is not Void controlled and a willing participant of Theer's plan. I think the Odus spire is a Combine by design. when they turned it on the energy from all the connected Ulthera spires attempted to teleport the entire continent, the energy not being enough and without a true destination in mind the continent got stuck in Ulthera.Also The Gfay and KP spires do work, I presume they are the only 2 that the Quelthulians sent to crete the first Ulteran spires didn't dismantle (or incorporate). For whatever reason they have properties that are incompatable with connecting directly to Ultera and the Farisian nexus. Most likely whatever changes that the erudin technicians did in changeing the design and properties are the result.

Taurus_WD

02-17-2010, 02:27 PM

For those who have had a chance to dig through more lore via the beta period and whatever you've already done in the expansion, could you answer my question.How plausible is it that this sabotaged attempt at restarting a porting network was designed to bridge the gap between the void and Norrath, but also included a bridge, for those that knew how to use it, to Luclin? Possibly allowing the void invasion to storm into Luclin, get more of a footing in this part of the universe and redouble their efforts on Norrath. Before they could fully invade Norrath though, the void "claimed" Luclin. The act of ripping away everything that was anchored created the explosion in the sky, but because the anchors didn't affect the entire moon, there's still large chunks left?

Meirril

02-20-2010, 06:08 AM

<cite>Acuza@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>For those who have had a chance to dig through more lore via the beta period and whatever you've already done in the expansion, could you answer my question.How plausible is it that this sabotaged attempt at restarting a porting network was designed to bridge the gap between the void and Norrath, but also included a bridge, for those that knew how to use it, to Luclin? Possibly allowing the void invasion to storm into Luclin, get more of a footing in this part of the universe and redouble their efforts on Norrath. Before they could fully invade Norrath though, the void "claimed" Luclin. The act of ripping away everything that was anchored created the explosion in the sky, but because the anchors didn't affect the entire moon, there's still large chunks left?</blockquote>Not too likely. Actually Luclin being included in this event would be a worst-case-senerio. The only reason Odus is stuck in Ulteria instead of being sucked into the void and destroyed is because of its connection to the Underfoot which is acting as an anchor to counter the pull of the void.If the Luclin nexus was pulled in with the same event...then it has gone into the void and been consumed.

Meirril

02-20-2010, 06:14 AM

<cite>Krystal@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have a couple of theories why the Odus spire is a combine spire. Perhaps it is the Prototype, though there isn't any indication it has been altered physically it may be magically changed. Also it is the only spire within ultera itself it stands to reason that it would work differently. Also we are attempting to put reason that for all intents and purposes was an experiment with unkown outcomes. True Theer and El'Arad were attempting such a result but in truth they didn't know the outcome, Theer certainly wouldn't care if it didn't work or destroyed Odus entirely, and El'Arad was too arrogant to assume it may not work as planned.If you are under the assumption as I am, that El'Arad is not Void controlled and a willing participant of Theer's plan. I think the Odus spire is a Combine by design. when they turned it on the energy from all the connected Ulthera spires attempted to teleport the entire continent, the energy not being enough and without a true destination in mind the continent got stuck in Ulthera.Also The Gfay and KP spires do work, I presume they are the only 2 that the Quelthulians sent to crete the first Ulteran spires didn't dismantle (or incorporate). For whatever reason they have properties that are incompatable with connecting directly to Ultera and the Farisian nexus. Most likely whatever changes that the erudin technicians did in changeing the design and properties are the result.</blockquote>The Gfay and KP spires are destinations for teleportation portals. However, the actual Ulterian Network which is accessable via any ulterian spire as that glowing white disk of energy doesn't offer teleporation to any combine spire except for the one in Odus.I think El'Arad is a willing participant. I also think he planned to catapult Odus into Ulteria as a means of freeing Theer. He didn't miscalculate, he got exactly what he wanted when he activated the flawed Ulterian network which has been built BEFORE the rending had made sea travel impossible but after teleporation ceased working for the combine spires and druid rings.I'm still finding the total lack of Ulterian spires in Odus to be incredibly hard to believe. If there was at least some sign of modification of the Odus Combine Spire I'd at least give that some more credability.

Morrak

02-27-2010, 04:08 AM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>The gods theft of the books of knowledge? Is this a common phrase amongst the Euradites in that certain magics stopped working, or are we actually talking about the libraries of Euradin and Paineel being sacked by the gods? Was it a particular artifact we're talking about here? Teleportation magic stopped working, and they blamed the gods. So, was the origional Nexus destroyed already or just inactive? Didn't the Shattering take place some 350 years after the God's departure? So...did all of this take place less than 150 years ago? 50 year ago? When?</blockquote>The Books of Knowledge were objects that allowed people to teleport to the Plane of Knowledge, and from there to the rest of the planes. When the Planes of Power expansion came out in EQlive, these books appeared outside each of the cities, to allow travel to and from the plane. </blockquote>The Books of Knowledge were the gateways to the planes, it would make sense that as the gods retreated to their respective planes they would destroy the books in order to keep Norrathians from continuing to loot,pillage, and destroy their avatars.

KniteShayd

02-27-2010, 10:12 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krystal@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have a couple of theories why the Odus spire is a combine spire. Perhaps it is the Prototype, though there isn't any indication it has been altered physically it may be magically changed. Also it is the only spire within ultera itself it stands to reason that it would work differently. Also we are attempting to put reason that for all intents and purposes was an experiment with unkown outcomes. True Theer and El'Arad were attempting such a result but in truth they didn't know the outcome, Theer certainly wouldn't care if it didn't work or destroyed Odus entirely, and El'Arad was too arrogant to assume it may not work as planned.If you are under the assumption as I am, that El'Arad is not Void controlled and a willing participant of Theer's plan. I think the Odus spire is a Combine by design. when they turned it on the energy from all the connected Ulthera spires attempted to teleport the entire continent, the energy not being enough and without a true destination in mind the continent got stuck in Ulthera.Also The Gfay and KP spires do work, I presume they are the only 2 that the Quelthulians sent to crete the first Ulteran spires didn't dismantle (or incorporate). For whatever reason they have properties that are incompatable with connecting directly to Ultera and the Farisian nexus. Most likely whatever changes that the erudin technicians did in changeing the design and properties are the result.</blockquote>The Gfay and KP spires are destinations for teleportation portals. However, the actual Ulterian Network which is accessable via any ulterian spire as that glowing white disk of energy doesn't offer teleporation to any combine spire except for the one in Odus.I think El'Arad is a willing participant. I also think he planned to catapult Odus into Ulteria as a means of freeing Theer. He didn't miscalculate, he got exactly what he wanted when he activated the flawed Ulterian network which has been built BEFORE the rending had made sea travel impossible but after teleporation ceased working for the combine spires and druid rings.I'm still finding the total lack of Ulterian spires in Odus to be incredibly hard to believe. If there was at least some sign of modification of the Odus Combine Spire I'd at least give that some more credability.</blockquote>My guess is (as Non-Gnomishly as possible <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" />):Since the Combine Spire in Odus was used to "power up" the Farisian nexus, it needed to connect to Luclin's nexus and absorb the energy. In order for the whole new system to work, and the power to 'convert', it (Odus Combine Spire) needed to act as the "adapter" for the power conversion, since the new nexus was being built on Odus.I theorize that the blast that was sent to Luclin was meant to be reactionary. That's why there was a response sent back down from the moon. Kind of like connecting to server, then downloading software.Thusly, since the Odus Combine Spire was being used as the new 'base' for the Ulteran Spire Network's power source and is still 'on', it retains its connectability to the original spires as destination points. But since the Combine Spires' aren't compatible with the Farisian nexus, as their respective power source, we cannot use the Combine Spires to port.That's not to say, that since the Odus Spire was tweaked, we can't tweak the others either.

evhallion

03-06-2010, 05:58 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>It has to be after the time the gods withdrew. The seas are rough and impassible. Teleportation to Odus is not working. This means after the Rending. Considering the appearance of the void faction Euradites, I'm going to have to say this happens either during or before "the Ceremony" unless for some bizarre reason the void faction euradites choose to undergo some ritual to restore their pre-ceremony appearance? How they remain looking like pre-ceremony euradites is somewhat of a mysterie unless they actually are void possessed and the ceremony only affected begins with an euradite soul?</blockquote>I don't ever remember seeing any lore that states what the purpose of "the ceremony" was. I mean we can see the physical effects it had but what was the purpose? What if it was for protection to keep an euridite from being able to be possessed by void creatures?

Cusashorn

03-06-2010, 11:21 PM

I think "The Ceremony" in this case was starting up the teleportation experiment that started this whole thing. Up until now, most people thought that it ment that the Erudites had put aside their differences to come together. While this is true, I never thought it would be some scientific project. The transformation was an accident and nobody saw it coming.

Rainmare

03-08-2010, 02:36 PM

the Elder that gives out the daily quest says that the new Erudite look was from the Feedback. it sent shockwaves out and the erudites (or at least most of them) 'absorbed the energy, growing runes into their skin and being consumed with a desire for knowledge.' he also states this same shockwave is was turned the pandas of Odus into the Hua Mien.I might theorize that some we find not effected may have had unaffected/protected parents. remember that our scholar from the research books did have followers in Erudin (primarily among the Deepwater Knights) and possibly Paineel that would have listened where the Council didn't, and he adn they all took precautions against the possible negative outcomes he was predicting. and those Void touched/possessed were probably protected by that influence from the feedback as well.