Dear Rangers

[Sydares]

<p>We tried. Sorry. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Toughone]

<p>/em sad ranger.</p>

[irbi]

<p>guys thank you for attempts to correct something</p><p>SOE! Do your f**cking festivals(etc) farther, not paying regard to humiliation people, playing ranger for 5 years</p><p>You sucks SOE</p><p>RIP rangers</p>

[Striikor]

<p>We posted almost 1000 times, gave them all the ideas we could think of. No substantive change. Developers still have the "/ignore ranger" flag up. You would think that after two years of nerfdom ....</p><p>Safana and Gaige had it right, Solo, Betray or Leave. I personally cannot imagine buying this, and will not be picking up my preorder after playing beta for a month. But it will be no impact for SOE, there are not enough rangers left to make any impact.</p>

[Azrael_888]

<p>Did you guys do any grps with other classes?</p><p>I would like to see the parses and grp setups you had.</p><p>current gear with the SF itemization and lvl 90 gear as well if you can. </p><p>I wanna see the nerf effects firsthand.</p>

[Laenai]

<p>Dear Sony,</p><p>In the light of the expansion, the changes that are now coming to light for the player base, and the fact that we are not just once again left out, but that you've shut us out, I'm gravely disappointed.</p><p>You've always been behind on everything. You stick your fingers in your ears while your players are <em>screaming</em> for something better. Almost 1000 post on the beta forums, more than double that on any other class, and you've still got your fingers in your ears like you're all some kind of petulant child who refuses to admit wrong-doing and we don't exist.</p><p>Listen. Just once. Just one time.</p><p>Just one time at least acknowledge us, your players. Hell, just one time, log on and play your own game. <em>PLAY</em> these classes that you ignore, because it's more and more obvious that you have no clue and just refuse to admit it. Many of us are beginning to wonder if you play what you create or if you just cross your fingers and close your eyes on top of not listening.</p><p>Many of us have played this class through it all. Through a time where we were king, on top of the parse, on top of the game, and couldn't be brought down. Through the worst of it where a developer, a lead developer, did everything in his power to absolutely crush our class into nothingness intentionally- <em>and we knew it.</em> And instead of turning around and making it right, you skip over 1000 posts on boards, more than double that on any other class, and you put your fingers back into your ears because you don't want to listen.</p><p>Its not just disappointing. Its ridiculous.</p><p>Its sad to read and hear that the best players of our class are suggesting that we either 1) betray or 2) quit the game...not just because of what's happening to our class, but because after 1000 posts (remember, double that of any other class) no one's listening. Quite honestly, it would do those of us on these boards a great service if you would at least let us know that you <em>read</em> them. That you at least <em>heard</em> us. Because to be quite frank: That's the most ridiculous part of all. And sadly, about what everyone- not just rangers, but everyone- expects from the developers of this game.</p><p>You're not as good at this as you think you are. And as soon as you realize that, you'll understand why 'that other MMO' has 11 million players and Everquest 2 does not.</p><p>Because over there, they listen.</p>

[Celestian_]

<p><cite>Karimonster wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>You're not as good at this as you think you are. And as soon as you realize that, you'll understand why 'that other MMO' has 11 million players and Everquest 2 does not.<p>Because over there, they listen.</p></blockquote><p>They listen? LOL. I must not have played the same game as you.</p><p>Half you guys complain they are making the game "more like WoW" and then the other half complain because it's not more like WoW.</p><p>Also, they don't have 11 million anymore, they lost china for quite a while now so its more around 4 million which still is great for MMO population but it's not 11.</p><p>I'm not suggesting you guys don't have issues but from an outsider's perspective on the ranger posts like this look silly.</p>

[Candoor]

<p>Way to go on the generalisation there Selest.</p><p>I actually have never complained about wanting EQ2 to be more or less than WOW - I also wager there are a majority of players with ranger toons who have not either.</p><p>We get it - you think we are overreacting - thanks for stopping by and adding to this thread.</p>

[Neiloch]

<p>Only comparisons of that nature I have seen is ranger's complaining we are too much like mages (can't use half our CA's while moving) or too much like other scouts (have to be in melee CA range for optimal DPS, still true even with myth change btw). Figures we get the worst of both worlds opposed to the best, worst hybrid ever. "A ranged scout class that must be in melee range for full effectiveness, can't use ranged attacks while moving like a mage AND gets beat by the best of both on the parses?! BRILLIANT! Wait....."</p><p>I really don't see why they don't just pile on the DPS for rangers. Not trying to say 'make us op'd please' but even if we were suddenly top DPS in most combat situations, what would happen? Oh no every raid wants <strong>one</strong> ranger on their force now, nerf rangers! Assassins do crazy good DPS and you don't see progressed raid forces piling them on like utility or doubling up on them for instance runs. Its not like giving rogues, summoners or enchanters too much DPS, they have other things they can bring to raid so them having top DPS is actually a balance problem.</p><p>If they just outright added damage to rangers, they ended up OP'd then got nerfed to be more 'in line' with other top DPS classes, I seriously doubt rangers would be madder or even close to as mad as they are now. It's getting to the point where 'piecemealing' fix's to rangers is too slow to ever catch up with other T1 DPS classes.</p>

[grumist]

<p>I shale try and make this short an simple..</p><p>I have been playing my ranger for nearly two years and have been going through alot of the things many people have.</p><p>I do not think that will change.</p><p>I really hope that EQ2 does not go to being like "WoW" due to the fact after BC "WoW" went to poo (darn filtering) and twinking was set up to where anyone and everyone rich or poor could do.. they were trying to make it to where people would stop complaining about items being to hard to get..</p><p>In a sence it is the same way, How many Gm's or devs play a ranger.. know what we are going through.. i doubt if any..</p><p>We bring NOTHING to a raid/group other than a stupid speed buff that any scout class can do.. so we have no Benifical Spells to bring to the raid making us as a "Failed Class"</p><p>One thing i would like to see.. Is Rangers being like Rangers on EQ1.. when i played my Ranger on EQ1 i felt like a ranger.. not many other classes could do anything i could.. but now with swashys and assissans being able to do anything practly we can.. why have the ranger class..</p><p>Yes we are getting a plus to our melee class. and a downgrade to our auto ranged attack.. sorta sounds to me like a [Removed for Content] swashy instead of a Ranger..</p><p>I know alot of you guys have been complaining about the same things. But i wanted to put a point to this..</p><p><span style="color: #ff6600;">Ranger's will NEVER EVER be fixed.. They will give us the run around like they have already for so long.. sorry to say this but if all this is true.. my ranger will become cobwebs on the EQ2 sever.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000;">As will all of ur guys.</span></p><p>they say to roll a different class but why.. we want to play a ranger not a swashy/assassin/or the OP SK..</p><p>i believe that all there time/resorces went to trying to fix what they screwed up with the releasing of the SK and it being able to do so much already.. NOTHING like the traditional SK from EQ1...</p><p>SOE just made a big screw up like usual by not listening to its customers...</p><p>thats all i have to say i vented.. sorry lol</p>

[thethinker]

<p>Come on Rangers have been over powerd for years try playing a gaurdian and then complain up until recently you had crazy incombat runspeed your dps was insane and now your moaning because you have been brought down to a fair playing feild.Stop moaning your class was OP you got used to it but the game needs to balance out in pvp there are many fantastic rangers out there that play there class properly and work for the kill.I suggest you get on with it try playing a gaurdian if you want to moan we got nerfed 5 years ago and never came back.</p>

[thethinker]

<p>I even had to make an SK because my gaurd couldnt tank the new expansion so please please stop crying.</p>

[Candoor]

<p>Oomba - you are so very very wrong for PVE grouping and raiding.</p><p>If you say they are OP in PVP fine - I really cant comment.</p><p>Raiding and grouping rangers are most definitely NOT fine.</p><p>Read these threads if you want to know detailed reasons why - from your tone I get the feeling my words will not be read by you.</p><p>In terms of your guard not being able to handle the last expansion - we still use a guardian for our MT in raids and he does fine /shrug.</p><p>Sure he had to try a bit harder when tanking more than 1 mob to control aggro but he managed.   What made it impossible for you?</p>

[duddwin]

<p><cite>Candoor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oomba - you are so very very wrong for PVE grouping and raiding.</p><p>If you say they are OP in PVP fine - I really cant comment.</p><p>Raiding and grouping rangers are most definitely NOT fine.</p><p>Read these threads if you want to know detailed reasons why - from your tone I get the feeling my words will not be read by you.</p><p>In terms of your guard not being able to handle the last expansion - we still use a guardian for our MT in raids and he does fine /shrug.</p><p>Sure he had to try a bit harder when tanking more than 1 mob to control aggro but he managed.   What made it impossible for you?</p></blockquote><p>Exactly, and i hope this can be fixed soon.</p>

[Morro Twistedbriar]

<p>I still love my ranger, he is great for me and my style of play. I may not be the best at what we do but I am more than effective. Sure it can suck to be outparsed by a class or over looked for a group because another class can do what I can do and add more functionality. But at the end of the day My Ranger is My Hero. I play a few other classes ( jsut started an assassin, will see how that works) but My Ranger is Mine and he works very well. I still remain in the top 3 for dps. It took me some work but I did it and I remain viable for my guild. Yes there are some things I would liek to see change, there are zones I don't get invited to, groups I miss cause most people do not see a ranger as a viable group member. I still love my Ranger and I wont give him up.</p>

[Neiloch]

<p><cite>Oomba@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Come on Rangers have been over powerd for years try playing a gaurdian and then complain up until recently you had crazy incombat runspeed your dps was insane and now your moaning because you have been brought down to a fair playing feild.Stop moaning your class was OP you got used to it but the game needs to balance out in pvp there are many fantastic rangers out there that play there class properly and work for the kill.I suggest you get on with it try playing a gaurdian if you want to moan we got nerfed 5 years ago and never came back.</p></blockquote><p>PvP means nothing to me. Most rangers here are talking from a PvE grouping/raiding perspective and rightly so since about 90% of EQ2 is PvE focused. Anyone who cries about PvP in EQ2 is dumb in my book anyway, EQ2 is easily one of the worst games on the market for PvP. Would be like playing Lineage 2 for is PvE.</p>

[Azrael_888]

<p>Why does everyone who say that rangers are OP'd ALWAYS link it to PvP issues?</p><p>If this is the case make a PvP ruleset and a PvE ruleset and when PvE rangers zone into BG's their ruleset changes.  That way all the PvP'ers get their point across by not getting one shotted from a flurry arrow attack and the PvE side finally gets a total DPS class.</p><p>That's WIN/WIN.</p><p>o but wait...THE CODING!!!! THE CODING!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!</p><p>Soylent green is made from rangers  SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE FROM...screw it you guys don't read my posts anyway.</p>

[kartikeya]

<p><cite>Oomba@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Come on Rangers have been over powerd for years try playing a gaurdian and then complain up until recently you had crazy incombat runspeed your dps was insane and now your moaning because you have been brought down to a fair playing feild.Stop moaning your class was OP you got used to it but the game needs to balance out in pvp there are many fantastic rangers out there that play there class properly and work for the kill.I suggest you get on with it try playing a gaurdian if you want to moan we got nerfed 5 years ago and never came back.</p></blockquote><p>Hey, I'd like to, you know, <strong><em>be able to get a raid spot and not be passed over for groups</em></strong>. I do not give one single care about PVP. We were promised when PVP was introduced that it would never, ever, ever affect PVE, and all it has done since is get rangers (and other classes) nerfed and passed over for badly needed fixes again, and again, and again. When I made my ranger, PVP didn't exist, and I'm rather of the volatile opinion that it would have been a great thing if it were never, ever brought into this game.</p><p>Take your ranger complaints to the PVP forum where they belong. Supposedly they have seperate rulesets for PVP (ha ha ha, if only they'd actually use their ability to make it seperate).</p>

[grumist]

<p>And i dont know about the other players but i myself like playing a guardian.. i can hold agro with a group/havent gotten to do a raid due to the fact everyone wants a pally or sk.. so idk.. maybe the other chars should watch there [Removed for Content] dps.. since everyone else is now OP [Removed for Content]...</p><p>but yes rangers did get the short end of the stink with raiding/grouping.. other than some good dps.. not great due to the fact we get out parsed by swashys and assassins or any other scout at that</p>

[Breedlove]

<p><em><span>Come on Rangers have been over powerd for years try playing a gaurdian and then complain up until recently you had crazy incombat runspeed your dps was insane and now your moaning because you have been brought down to a fair playing feild.Stop moaning your class was OP you got used to it but the game needs to balance out in pvp there are many fantastic rangers out there that play there class properly and work for the kill.I suggest you get on with it try playing a gaurdian if you want to moan we got nerfed 5 years ago and never came back.</span></em></p><p>------------------------------</p><p>Your missing the point.  I rarely post, I just keep up with the news.  But the problem is this</p><p>We are not needed in a group or raid - period.  And with the expansion, this is most of the game post 80.  There is only so much we can solo until we die of bordom.</p><p>I rolled a Ranger because I rarely have time to play, 30 mins to an hour most.  But lately, I have more hours in the day and would love to Group/Raid.</p><p>I logged on during the expansion and gave it a shot, many groups available on Guk that day.  5 hrs went by and not one invite.</p><p>I play a Tank on WOW just to see what's it like to play a toon in a party situation.  Its nice.</p>