So is SF the pack where Nagafen will drop?

[Junaru]

<p>Given that Lord Nagfen is L100 and max level will be L90 I'm wondering is SF will be the pack where a raid will be able to kill him.</p><p>Anyone care to speculate?</p>

[Dareena]

<p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Tsukuwa@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Given that Lord Nagfen is L100 and max level will be L90 I'm wondering is SF will be the pack where a raid will be able to kill him.</p><p>Anyone care to speculate?</p></blockquote><p>He is a LvL 100 mob, the top tier raiding guild right now are fighting level 88 mobs and you have to be the best of the best to take them down. Not only that but they are a half a tier closer to those mobs then they will be to Naggy at 100 because TSO didn't raise the level cap. So my prediction, there will be guilds that try to kill him, but I doupt anyone will be able to until the Next expainsion because they just won't be powerful enough, heck they might not be able to even then because once a mob gets more 8 levels above you it becomes next to impossable to do any damage what so ever, and they do many times normal damage to you.</p><p>Naggy was taking about 80% of a Dev buffed toons life pool at level70 back when DLW was in testing, and a dev buffed toon has about the same size life pool as epic mobs, with 100% regen every few seconds.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I also wouldn't be surprised if he will be raising his own adventure level soon to 200. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Edit: hmmmm that might be an interesting Idea being that he has a underground kingdom to manage getting out and adventuring might be a pain for him perhaps he might hire you by Proxy with a Prisimatic Charm that Funnels (Not that you would notice) XP from the hundreds of of adventurers he might give them to. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">;p </span></p>

[shadowscale]

<p>also keep in mind can only bring 6 people into his lair. even if at level 100 wont be able to do a raid.</p><p>and like zabjade said by the time we got to 100 its likley SoE will raise nagafens level.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p><p>Besides, is anyone in the game currently capable of taking down an 85x4 with a full raid of nobody technically higher than 75? How would 100 be any different at 90?</p>

[Lizzoraus]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p><p>Besides, is anyone in the game currently capable of taking down an 85x4 with a full raid of nobody technically higher than 75? How would 100 be any different at 90?</p></blockquote><p>You cannot land a spell on a mob that is 10 levels higher than you. Thats why all avatars are lvl 88 and in MMB you need to wear an earring that raises your lvl. You can only land spells/CA's on something 8 levels above you.</p>

[Junaru]

<p>Yes it would be for bragging rights only.</p><p>Sorry but the forums have been a little dead/static for the past few weeks so I thought I would bring up a new topic just for the hell of it.</p>

[Neraku]

<p>Naggy will never go down during "live" builds, unless they change the zone type from 6 man group to x4. Even then it also depends on what they make his level as we get closer to his.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p></blockquote><p>the cazic thul charm spell worked on epics, was unresistable, and a summoner pet implode. nagafen was one shoted.</p>

[Froed20]

<p>This is what I forsee:</p><p>SF comes out, a guild assembles their forces to go take him out.  They make the pull and fight him, taking him down to 5% health.  Naggi suddenly breaks the encounter, spouts some text, despawns for a second, and respawns.  His level's now over 9000, and he proceeds to one-shot the entire server.</p><p>Just calling it.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Fayle@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is what I forsee:</p><p>SF comes out, a guild assembles their forces to go take him out.  They make the pull and fight him, taking him down to 5% health.  Naggi suddenly breaks the encounter, spouts some text, despawns for a second, and respawns.  His level's now over 9000, and he proceeds to one-shot the entire server.</p><p>Just calling it.</p></blockquote><p>exept cant bring more then 6 people into his lair at once....</p>

[Froed20]

<p>So it's a small guild force comprised of 5 healers and a mana regen in a fight lasting 10 hours <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gungo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p><p>Besides, is anyone in the game currently capable of taking down an 85x4 with a full raid of nobody technically higher than 75? How would 100 be any different at 90?</p></blockquote><p>only can have 6 in zone and i was there when it was "solo'd".The bug was the cazic thule diety charm effected epics and we had a necro charm naggy and then sacrificed pet. BOOM naggy dies and we looted t5 loot.</p>

[urgthock]

<p><cite>Lizzoraus@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p><p>Besides, is anyone in the game currently capable of taking down an 85x4 with a full raid of nobody technically higher than 75? How would 100 be any different at 90?</p></blockquote><p>You cannot land a spell on a mob that is 10 levels higher than you. Thats why all avatars are lvl 88 and in MMB you need to wear an earring that raises your lvl. You can only land spells/CA's on something 8 levels above you.</p></blockquote><p>It appears to me that this "cannot land a spell on a mob that is x levels higher than you" has consistantly increased. Back when level 70 was the max level the avatars and most (although not all) raid mobs were in the level 75 range. And lets not forget bugaboo who was level 80 (albeit x2). People had no problem landing spells and ca's on him. Just sayin.</p>

[The-Plethora]

<p>It's much harder to hit stuff that is red to you but is deffinately possible, some vids of mine...</p><p>LVL 100</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8PvIqnxQo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8PvIqnxQo</a></p><p>Big hit on Nagafen at level 70</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w37RIuQZ2EA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w37RIuQZ2EA</a></p><p>Smaller hits</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_PEyemQVjM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_PEyemQVjM</a></p><p>On a personal note I wouldn't like to see him go down this expansion but I would like to see people 'thinking' its possible by getting him to 95% or something to at least keep trying but yeah for sony to do that they need to open up the zone to allow 4 groups in again.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>The-Plethora wrote:</cite></p><blockquote> but yeah for sony to do that they need to open up the zone to allow 4 groups in again.</blockquote><p>again? its always been just one group allowed.</p><p>and i dont think SoE will allow him to die, it was stated at one point that when the level cap got to 100 or so then nagafen would be buffed to 200.</p>

[maddawg138]

<p>actually you cannot zone into Naggy's lair at all once you hit level 81.  Now I tried to enter while mentored and was able to zone in then unmentored back to level 90, but he still proceeded to destroy me when I attacked him.</p>

[Pogopuschel]

<p>Nagafen's been killed several times by groups of 5-6 in KoS already.</p><p>It takes clever pathing and a loooot of patience.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Uyaem@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Nagafen's been killed several times by groups of 5-6 in KoS already.</p><p>It takes clever pathing and a loooot of patience.</p></blockquote><p>lolwhut? If he ever gets killed, we'd probably hear about it on the boards. That said, we heard him getting killed for the first time in EoF Beta</p>

[The-Plethora]

<p>I heard the EOF one was from a not thoroughly checked necromancer aa that allowed you to posess him and then poof him but couldnt find any threads about it. I know there is a lot of misinformation out there and just plain BS "ZOMG he drops 10 million platz" etc.</p><p>I would imagine there would be some sort of serverwide message on the first kill though but thats not to say I dont think something has happened already with shady antics, look what happened with the sleeper kill on the first game, would you post up and claim it? your account would be deleted in moments I bet. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> When he dies legitimately and I think it will happen eventually I just hope there is something bigger and badder coming our way that makes us say "oooh that had to hurt" when we see the big red numbers hit.</p>

[Zendi_Perma]

<p><cite>The-Plethora wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I heard the EOF one was from a not thoroughly checked necromancer aa that allowed you to posess him and then poof him but couldnt find any threads about it. I know there is a lot of misinformation out there and just plain BS "ZOMG he drops 10 million platz" etc.</p><p>I would imagine there would be some sort of serverwide message on the first kill though but thats not to say I dont think something has happened already with shady antics, look what happened with the sleeper kill on the first game, would you post up and claim it? your account would be deleted in moments I bet. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> When he dies legitimately and I think it will happen eventually I just hope there is something bigger and badder coming our way that makes us say "oooh that had to hurt" when we see the big red numbers hit.</p></blockquote><p>Go back one page for Gungo's post....</p>

[Syndarin]

<p>Our guild killed him in KoS and EoF. In KoS it was a coercer bug that made him nuke himself. In EoF, it was a pathing bug.It's nothing special. He has like no HP.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>The-Plethora wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I would imagine there would be some sort of serverwide message on the first kill though but thats not to say I dont think something has happened already with shady antics, look what happened with the sleeper kill on the first game, would you post up and claim it? your account would be deleted in moments I bet. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> When he dies legitimately and I think it will happen eventually I just hope there is something bigger and badder coming our way that makes us say "oooh that had to hurt" when we see the big red numbers hit.</blockquote><p>The developers broadcast a message across the entire game acknowledging and congratulating the top 3 guilds from the Rallos Zek server for banding together and legitimately killing Kerafyrm. It was impossible to NOT hear about it through the game or the community. Same for all the attempts that involved exploiting bugs of some sort (even though they all failed in the end.) If someone actually has killed Nagafen during KoS or after EoF beta one way or another, then why haven't we heard the same?</p>

[Fizzlecog]

<p><cite>Lizzoraus@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p><p>Besides, is anyone in the game currently capable of taking down an 85x4 with a full raid of nobody technically higher than 75? How would 100 be any different at 90?</p></blockquote><p>You cannot land a spell on a mob that is 10 levels higher than you. Thats why all avatars are lvl 88 and in MMB you need to wear an earring that raises your lvl. You can only land spells/CA's on something 8 levels above you.</p></blockquote><p>if you cant land a hit on a mob 10+ above you then you need more disruption/something, i can land hits on reds with no prob hehe, just a few resists now and then</p>

[Wurm]

<p><cite>maddawg138 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>actually you cannot zone into Naggy's lair at all once you hit level 81.  Now I tried to enter while mentored and was able to zone in then unmentored back to level 90, but he still proceeded to destroy me when I attacked him.</p></blockquote><p>I zoned in at 90 just fine while helping a friend do talk like a Dragon.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Fuzzoo@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lizzoraus@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p><p>Besides, is anyone in the game currently capable of taking down an 85x4 with a full raid of nobody technically higher than 75? How would 100 be any different at 90?</p></blockquote><p>You cannot land a spell on a mob that is 10 levels higher than you. Thats why all avatars are lvl 88 and in MMB you need to wear an earring that raises your lvl. You can only land spells/CA's on something 8 levels above you.</p></blockquote><p>if you cant land a hit on a mob 10+ above you then you need more disruption/something, i can land hits on reds with no prob hehe, just a few resists now and then</p></blockquote><p>I seriously doupt you are trying to hit Heroic or Raid LvL Mobs, that are in the same expainsion you are in*, that are ten levels above you.</p><p>*this is because creatures in say RoV or RE1, are tuned against people with No AAs, and Old school mastercrafted armor, not against currently available gear, and available AAs.</p>

[Fizzlecog]

<p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span ><p><cite>Fuzzoo@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lizzoraus@Blackburrow wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dareena@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Does it honestly matter?  Years ago, a raid killed him during an expansion beta period.  (Not surprisingly, SOE immediately corrected the tactics that was used to kill him.)  He dropped T5 loot.</p><p>This dragon is a pillar of EQ2 lore.  No matter what the players will do in a raid, the story will always make this dragon survive.  Other than bragging rights, what's the point?  T5 loot?</p></blockquote><p>he was actualy soloed duting EoF expantion beta. but ya T5 fabled is all.</p></blockquote><p>Soloed? You sure? I remember the Lab Rats guild taking 24 evils and just unleashing the evil diety miracles all at once to damage and kill Naggy. it was their way to prove that the miracles were overpowered.</p><p>Besides, is anyone in the game currently capable of taking down an 85x4 with a full raid of nobody technically higher than 75? How would 100 be any different at 90?</p></blockquote><p>You cannot land a spell on a mob that is 10 levels higher than you. Thats why all avatars are lvl 88 and in MMB you need to wear an earring that raises your lvl. You can only land spells/CA's on something 8 levels above you.</p></blockquote><p>if you cant land a hit on a mob 10+ above you then you need more disruption/something, i can land hits on reds with no prob hehe, just a few resists now and then</p></blockquote><p>I seriously doupt you are trying to hit Heroic or Raid LvL Mobs, that are in the same expainsion you are in*, that are ten levels above you.</p><p>*this is because creatures in say RoV or RE1, are tuned against people with No AAs, and Old school mastercrafted armor, not against currently available gear, and available AAs.</p></span></p></blockquote><p>ah that is very true hehe, i only mainly attacked reds as a sk with master buffs and stuff, but they were only solo mobs, like i was lvl60, and the mob (a dracnhid) was lvl70, so wasnt to bad but in a raid a red would hit sooo much harder hehe</p>

[imnotdisco]

<p>I went into Naggys Lair a couple days ago picking up the quest To speak as a Dragon. I have a tendancy to hit naggy before i leave.</p><p>Was on a 85 Zerker, meh mix of sf legendary and t2, with epic and average shield.</p><p>IN defense and with all temps hot, naggy hit me for 32k on a critical spell hit then proceded to auto attack me for 237k.</p><p>I went in just prior to SF release with my 80 myth pally full t3, and i managed to block his first attack but the second attack was for 47k, this pally was way better geared than the berserker i mentioned earlier.</p><p>As someone mentioned before, the zone is a 6 man zone, i dont forsee lv 90s geared to the teeth standing up to the first 2 hits, raid or otherwise. Just my 2 copper.</p><p>I heard the stories of him being killed back in eof and kos days, but it was always a developer spawning him for fun during beta, kinda like the naggy vs vox fight in deathtoll during kos beta. I seriously doubt he will ever be killable by a 6 man group, possibly a x4 with maxed lv 100s, if the zone allowed it.</p><p>Editted for spelling. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>