Whats the point in no trade loot?

[Etibe]

<p>Why have loot as no trade when people will just sell loot rights anyways? It drives up the cost of items and makes it harder for people that don't play peak times to get gear. People are still selling the items and its not a big secret. If this isn't the way things are suposed to be, then everyone selling raid drops in level channels is kinda exploiting. Just wanting to know the official reasons.</p>

[erin]

<p><cite>Etibe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why have loot as no trade when people will just sell loot rights anyways? It drives up the cost of items and makes it harder for people that don't play peak times to get gear. People are still selling the items and its not a big secret. If this isn't the way things are suposed to be, then everyone selling raid drops in level channels is kinda exploiting. Just wanting to know the official reasons.</p></blockquote><p>Do a search, this has been discussed ad nauseum.  SOE has said its not an exploit, yet they don't want gear to be sold on broker.  /shrug.  It is what it is.</p>

[Thunndar316]

<p>Kinda like a toll booth with a busted gate and no guards.</p><p>Makes no sense.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>I agree selling loot rights is lame and broken. But that doesn't matter because the devs disagree. They even made the auction channel server wide so you can sell loot rights to no-trade items. The dumb thing is there has always been a Traders channel in world chat, so now there is a traders and an auction channel. Pretty redundant.</p><p>The thing that really gets me though is they slap the no-trade tag on pure garbage. Like... level 10 solo quested gear from darklight woods and stuff. I mean, really? I guess since it's quested they feel it shouldn't be tradeable for some odd reason. But then there's things like that garbage treasured ring that always drops from the ring event in KJ by the Sebilis enterance. Can't have that sweet little gem floating around on the broker destroying the economy.</p>

[Thunndar316]

<p>No Trade/No Drop</p><p>An old EQ1 mentality that for some stupid reason still lives in EQ2. </p>

[Gisallo]

<p><cite>Etibe wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why have loot as no trade when people will just sell loot rights anyways? It drives up the cost of items and makes it harder for people that don't play peak times to get gear. People are still selling the items and its not a big secret. If this isn't the way things are suposed to be, then everyone selling raid drops in level channels is kinda exploiting. Just wanting to know the official reasons.</p></blockquote><p>One can of course argue whether the sale of loot rights exploits this, but the reasoning behind it is to get people to actually do the content.  This way people doing the more challenging content can feel that their effort was rewarded by getting an item that other people who would not or can not go to the effort can't get.</p><p>As I said one can of course argue that the auction channels etc do exploit or render this moot...BUT every decent loot drop does not end up in the auction channel.  I sorta see it like the law in RL.  people break, exploit and get around the law all the time, BUT if the laws weren't there you would have a break down of the current structure.  In a game with a gear based "class" system, you need some sort of structure to deliniate the gear, how it is earned and who it is limited too.  So until this game becomes something more akin to say LOTRO where most gear is = or at least close to it, this is what we got.</p>

[Antipalad]

Sale of loot rights is not an exploit, that's been stated multiple times. The issue with removing no-trade/heirloom tags and allowing it to go on broker, would be a massive pile of gear stocking up on broker, allowing some people to earn even more plat, as well as allow more powerful gear into the game onto players that didn't earn it. Before anyone accuses me of selling loot etc. We don't even sell loot or patterns, the time it takes to auction it, have someone from raid drop and zone out and bring in an outsider simply ruins the flow. We have so few raid days in the first place.

[Rijacki]

<p>The point of No Trade loot as drops is to throttle the amount of that particular piece of loot that 'enters the system'. Even putting it up for 'loot rights' isn't the same as putting every drop not used on the broker. It's one of the ways to keep certain items more rare. Because of their rarity, too, they often have better stats.</p><p>The point of No Trade on quest rewards is that the reward is for doing the quest. The No Trade requires doing the content to get the reward.</p>

[Neskonlith]

<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Once you put on a snug tinfoil hat and let it adjust your circulation for a while, you start to realize <em>The Truth</em>!</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">No-Trade is put into the game to stratify a wide spectrum of players into "pro" and "con" camps, forcing interesting discussions on forums boards, the data which can later be sold off to various psychiatric and social study groups.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">No-trade is here to enable a "Lord of the Pixels" scenario: <em>"...We've got to have rules and obey them. After all, we're not savages. We're Gnomes, and the Gnomes are best at everything..."</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">/tinfoil hat off</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">//passes out from sudden rush of oxygen back to brain</span></p><p><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Valdaglerion]

<p>I hate No-Trade. I hate Lore. I wish they would both go away as they serve no real purpose beyond the annoyance of the customer.</p><p>I have never met a single person in-game that felt either of these tags was beneficial to the game economy or play experience in the least bit. Removing them would undoubtedly remove a ton of lag from the system as well . . . no more checks to see if you have an item before allowing you to loot it because it has a lore tag on it. No more checks on the brokers, bankers, trade windows etc checking for the No-Trade tag either.</p><p>Free the economy and ease up on the game servers and get rid of those tags this year please.</p>

[Thunndar316]

<p><cite>Antipaladin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Sale of loot rights is not an exploit, that's been stated multiple times. The issue with removing no-trade/heirloom tags and allowing it to go on broker, would be a massive pile of gear stocking up on broker, allowing some people to earn even more plat, as well as allow more powerful gear into the game onto players that didn't earn it. Before anyone accuses me of selling loot etc. We don't even sell loot or patterns, the time it takes to auction it, have someone from raid drop and zone out and bring in an outsider simply ruins the flow. We have so few raid days in the first place.</blockquote><p>It is an exploit but SOE chooses to just "frown upon" it.  There is no way to stop it without making everyone rage quit, so why bother.  If everyone can sell the loot they dont want anyway then there is no need for the restrictions. </p><p>It doesn't matter whether players earned the gear or not because people are selling it anyway.  It also doesn't change the amount of gear going into the players hands.  Anything totally worthless is immediately transmuted.  Anything wanted goes to raid member or alt.  Anything not wanted is sold via loot rights.   Point is, the items are being sold reguardless of the tags so why have the tags?</p><p>I would much rather have everything on the broker instead of being spammed all day with SLR adds.  No, they won't even use the auction channel.</p>

[Seidhkona]

<p>I honestly wish they'd take all the NO-TRADE tags off. Having Heirloom tags means that most raids will just award the stuff for people to give to their alts if they aren't going to crush it for the guild, but as someone commented, it is a PITA to stand around doing bidding and waiting for the winner to get there to buy NO-TRADE loot rights.</p><p>I also think if the pieces were sold on the broker prices would come down. People do jack the prices up by fake "shill" bids and other dishonest cow pucky techniques. And I suspect the psychology of auctions causes people to jack prices up without a lot of consideration, whereas people will watch an item on the broker more often until they get the price they want to pay.</p>

[Dareena]

<p>The main reason for No Trade loot is to prevent everyone from selling items.  To clarify, selling takes actual time and effort.  Some people just don't consider that a drawback and will still sell in chat channels. </p><p>But on the other hand, you have people like my old WoE alliance.  After having spent a couple of months in WoE, people were getting geared out.  However there will still items that we dropping that we didn't need.  Or we all had smart loot covered for a specific item slot, so we were getting purely random patterns.  Since this was also before Heirloom was introduced, our raid leaders had to decide what we were going to do.  In the end, they prefered to random them off as vendor trash instead of selling them in chat.  Why?  Wouldn't chat selling be extremely profitable?  Yes, it would be.  But despite the feelings of people like myself in the raid, we were over ruled.  Seeing in chat was deemed as too "hard" and "time consuming".  They didn't want to make the raid pause, so countless potential plat were lost to our raiders.</p><p>This is why SOE keeps the current system in place.  So many people would rather random roll Fabled and good Legendary pieces as vendor trash instead of selling them.  Selling takes effort, time, and coordination.  Most people are too lazy or impatient to deal these kinds of issues, so they don't sell them and intentionally let them go to waste.  They believe that time is money and loot selling takes too much of their time.  To a certain extent, I agree with them.  But then again, there should also be exceptions to this rule.  Yet for most people, this is a black and white matter with little in between.</p>

[EQ2Magroo]

<p>No-trade on quest rewards makes a lot of sense.</p><p>If you were to buy a reward, then do the quest you'd either a) end up with 2 of the item (if non lore), or b) be unable to complete the quest (assuming item is lore)</p><p>But for the rest of the items in game it's a bit pointless now that selling loot rights is widespread. The original idea behind it (to prevent farming) is largely irrelevant now as these drops are all from instanced zones which therefore can't be camped. The contested items from avatars etc. are never really sold outside guilds anyway.</p>

[Maroger]

<p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I hate No-Trade. I hate Lore. I wish they would both go away as they serve no real purpose beyond the annoyance of the customer.</p><p>I have never met a single person in-game that felt either of these tags was beneficial to the game economy or play experience in the least bit. Removing them would undoubtedly remove a ton of lag from the system as well . . . no more checks to see if you have an item before allowing you to loot it because it has a lore tag on it. No more checks on the brokers, bankers, trade windows etc checking for the No-Trade tag either.</p><p>Free the economy and ease up on the game servers and get rid of those tags this year please.</p></blockquote><p>I couldn't agree more. I hate these attempts at controlling the access to loot -- throw it open and more players will have fun. If you can sell loot rights -- sell the item on the broker.</p>