ganked by someone under my pvp range

[the_snare]

<p>This happened to me in Antonica on the Nagafen server. The two freeps who killed me were 22nd and 23rd level, and I'm 33rd level, how could this happen?</p>

[KrickZan]

<p>you dont invest any effort into being competitive...</p><p>in real life lvl 15 kids can also gank loosy lvl 33 homeless ...</p>

[Dannnybones]

<p>Good call, I had personally forgot that this game was so realistic!</p>

[the_snare]

<p><cite>KrickZan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>you dont invest any effort into being competitive...</p><p>in real life lvl 15 kids can also gank loosy lvl 33 homeless ...</p></blockquote><p>I fail to see what you mean by this. First of all this isn't real life, and second the pvp range is supposed to be 4 levels, not 10 or 11 levels.</p>

[Gimlet]

<p>Lower level toons can always attack higher level toons.</p>

[Magnis]

<p>they might be blunt in their answer but it is true. Gear, spells and AA developmkent play a huge roll in pvp for eq2. 1 group of well developed 20s can be trouble for any severly under geared/lesser sklled 30-60.  not sure about 70-80, havent personaly seen that, but i wouldnt be surprised.</p>

[max.power]

<p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I fail to see what you mean by this. First of all this isn't real life, and second the pvp range is supposed to be 4 levels, not 10 or 11 levels.</p></blockquote><p>The level range exists to protect the lower level players. However, you can attack everyone above your level, regardless of PvP level range.</p>

[the_snare]

<p><cite>Brain@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I fail to see what you mean by this. First of all this isn't real life, and second the pvp range is supposed to be 4 levels, not 10 or 11 levels.</p></blockquote><p>The level range exists to protect the lower level players. However, you can attack everyone above your level, regardless of PvP level range.</p></blockquote><p>So, does this mean that if I get attacked by low level player I can't defend myself? Or by him/her attacking me they become flagged and I can attack them then.</p>

[ROCKHEART]

<p>Once you are engaged in combat you can strike back regardless of level. The same thing happens in safe zones if you engage some one they can strike back. Happy Hunting.</p>

[Grundle]

<p>I watched my brother (a lvl 21 mystic) take on a lvl 44 wiz in Ant one day, the wiz was taunting/threatening him because he knew my brother didnt stand a chance.</p><p>The wiz hopped down off the grif tower and proceeded on his merry way, my brother targeted him and cast a spell that I guess lowers a resistance to something, the wiz stopped and turned around like he couldn't believe he was being attacked, I mean really the audacity. SCOURGE! That wiz I am certain didn't know [Removed for Content] just happened to him, probably blinked once as he realized he was in trouble and turned to run just as another spell dropped on him.</p><p>Poor wiz face down in Ant killed by a greycon healer.</p><p>That was probably the second funniest encounter I have seen in PVP. </p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>What class are you and what quality is your gear and ca/spell line up?  If your racing to 80 lesson learned and keep pressing on.  If not, start harvesting and gear up to at least MC level gear.  In the meantime at 30ish you can do the teasured quest lines gear rewards in Enchanted Lands/Zek for some basic gear.  It is not very good but it is free if your cash strapped and wll fill in sme empty slots while you harvest and AA.  Harvest often while questing for AA to sell the rares you don't need - no matter how little they sell for they all add up over time.  Also, you can horde the rares for future alts which is what many of us also do if we don't need cash.</p><p>Read your enemies buff window to determine what classes you face.  If greys are stalking you, especially greys far below your level, they are prob well equiped greys (MC or fabled/ad3 and mastered out, etc.)  who know their class and your class limitations. </p><p>Wiki has great quest guides for new players who may not be familiar with all the quest lines so you will know which zones to be in at what level and which alternate zones you can goto if you find yourself outnumbered in any zone. </p><p>Happy hunting and please let us knwo when you reach lvl 72 and are in KP or fens <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[max.power]

<p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What class are you and what quality is your gear and ca/spell line up? [...]</p></blockquote><p>I don't think he wondered how two lowbies were able to kill him, he wondered how it was possible to attack him at all, thinking that they were out of the PvP level range.</p>

[Zacarus]

<p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brain@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I fail to see what you mean by this. First of all this isn't real life, and second the pvp range is supposed to be 4 levels, not 10 or 11 levels.</p></blockquote><p>The level range exists to protect the lower level players. However, you can attack everyone above your level, regardless of PvP level range.</p></blockquote><p>So, does this mean that if I get attacked by low level player I can't defend myself? Or by him/her attacking me they become flagged and I can attack them then.</p></blockquote><p>If you get jumped by greys you can only attack back in that particular encounter.  If they kill you, you are out of luck, there is no way for you to initiate (ie force them) into another encounter.  This game mechanic is by design.  The theory is, you are Red to them, and s/b able to defend yourself.In reality, Reds are quite vulnerable, especially in 4 and 8 level zone ranges.  A well geared level 22 can easily beat an undergeared level 27.  Gear is the key to winning this game, not level.</p>

[thephantomposter]

<p>Definately gear, I was 12 when I took on a 20, I saw what he was wearing, watched how he took down mobs. I knew that they had low gear, weak spells. I jumped him and won.</p><p>You can learn a lot from watching.</p>

[the_snare]

<p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What class are you and what quality is your gear and ca/spell line up? If your racing to 80 lesson learned and keep pressing on. If not, start harvesting and gear up to at least MC level gear. In the meantime at 30ish you can do the teasured quest lines gear rewards in Enchanted Lands/Zek for some basic gear. It is not very good but it is free if your cash strapped and wll fill in sme empty slots while you harvest and AA. Harvest often while questing for AA to sell the rares you don't need - no matter how little they sell for they all add up over time. Also, you can horde the rares for future alts which is what many of us also do if we don't need cash.</p><p>Read your enemies buff window to determine what classes you face. If greys are stalking you, especially greys far below your level, they are prob well equiped greys (MC or fabled/ad3 and mastered out, etc.) who know their class and your class limitations.</p><p>Wiki has great quest guides for new players who may not be familiar with all the quest lines so you will know which zones to be in at what level and which alternate zones you can goto if you find yourself outnumbered in any zone.</p><p>Happy hunting and please let us knwo when you reach lvl 72 and are in KP or fens <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I'm a 33rd level human male templar. Right now for AA"s I'm working on the stanima line of cleric AA"s trying to get severe judgement up, I also have skull crack, wondrous buckling, divine castigation, and mostly master level spells. My gear is pretty much all tier 4 MC imbued feysteel armor and jewelery. And, I have a one handed imbued feysteel mace But, this doesn't seem to help me much in pvp, I get squashed anyway. I get a lot of comments on my nice gear though. It was costly.</p><p>I actually took a screenshot of my first pvp victory that I can post. It was against a troll shadownight, I believe. I killed him mainly by using my reactive heals on myself, with attacking him with my combat arts, and a divine strike/divine smith/warring deities combination. He just couldn't damage me enough to hurt me with how I could heal myself, and soon succumbed to my divine damage spells. Most other players dispatch me with out much trouble at all, especially if I'm soloing and get ganked by a group, usually when I'm harvesting</p><p>I've heard clerics are supposed to be uber healers. I suppose I was a little bit mislead. I was thinking more along the lines of a AD&D cleric, who can use spells, and while not as powerful as a pure tank/fighting class, is a trained fighter, which is what I wanted in my character. But, if the cleric isn't really for combat, why are there so many AA abilities that help one, such as the ones I mentioned above?</p>

[Vlahkmaak]

<p>I honestly do not know how you lost this fight then.  You most likely over healed and ran out of power or got power tapped out by 2 scouts or a scout and a dps.  Either way you unfortunately ran into two smarter players - but think of this as a learning experience.  We ahve all been stomped into the ground by a player or players we thought we could beat.   With the STA line your melee crit should have ripped people 10 levels below you apart though.  do not discount your melee auto attk in pvp - add a power tap adornment to your mace: auto attk is your friend in pve and pvp. </p><p>I'd recommend a respec down str line to end ability, then STA.  As I play an inqy I'd recomend agi next for the added double attk.  As a templar you might want to consider the int line for spell crit though.  Clerics can be mean and virtually never run out o power at higher levels with mana well gear and other items.  The templar is closer to a AD&D casting cleric but you might find the melee spec'd inqy a better suit for leveling - of course you'd have to go through the exile quest at least into Haven and then back to Qeynos to choose inqy as a healer and then redo this later in your adventuring career to switch back to templar. </p><p>Templars are superior MT healers to inqys but if you are not seeking a raid position either healer is great if played well.   The templar has better tank buffs while the inqy has better cures (via myth clicky) and dps buffs at low levels.  At end game the inqy is gimped on buffs as many can already max these areas out and the inqy dps buff becomes mediocre at best on end game players. </p><p>Either wa the inqy is very dependent on AA's - get as many as you can as quickly as you can.  I assume templars are too.  As I play many classes I'd say my inqy is more aa dependent than other classes I play such as my ranger or troub.  not to say these classes do not need AA but they seem to go farther on fewer if you understand what I am saying.</p>

[Orthureon]

<p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What class are you and what quality is your gear and ca/spell line up? If your racing to 80 lesson learned and keep pressing on. If not, start harvesting and gear up to at least MC level gear. In the meantime at 30ish you can do the teasured quest lines gear rewards in Enchanted Lands/Zek for some basic gear. It is not very good but it is free if your cash strapped and wll fill in sme empty slots while you harvest and AA. Harvest often while questing for AA to sell the rares you don't need - no matter how little they sell for they all add up over time. Also, you can horde the rares for future alts which is what many of us also do if we don't need cash.</p><p>Read your enemies buff window to determine what classes you face. If greys are stalking you, especially greys far below your level, they are prob well equiped greys (MC or fabled/ad3 and mastered out, etc.) who know their class and your class limitations.</p><p>Wiki has great quest guides for new players who may not be familiar with all the quest lines so you will know which zones to be in at what level and which alternate zones you can goto if you find yourself outnumbered in any zone.</p><p>Happy hunting and please let us knwo when you reach lvl 72 and are in KP or fens <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I'm a 33rd level human male templar. Right now for AA"s I'm working on the stanima line of cleric AA"s trying to get severe judgement up, I also have skull crack, wondrous buckling, divine castigation, and mostly master level spells. My gear is pretty much all tier 4 MC imbued feysteel armor and jewelery. And, I have a one handed imbued feysteel mace But, this doesn't seem to help me much in pvp, I get squashed anyway. I get a lot of comments on my nice gear though. It was costly.</p><p>I actually took a screenshot of my first pvp victory that I can post. It was against a troll shadownight, I believe. I killed him mainly by using my reactive heals on myself, with attacking him with my combat arts, and a divine strike/divine smith/warring deities combination. He just couldn't damage me enough to hurt me with how I could heal myself, and soon succumbed to my divine damage spells. Most other players dispatch me with out much trouble at all, especially if I'm soloing and get ganked by a group, usually when I'm harvesting</p><p>I've heard clerics are supposed to be uber healers. I suppose I was a little bit mislead. I was thinking more along the lines of a AD&D cleric, who can use spells, and while not as powerful as a pure tank/fighting class, is a trained fighter, which is what I wanted in my character. But, if the cleric isn't really for combat, why are there so many AA abilities that help one, such as the ones I mentioned above?</p></blockquote><p>First, if you wanted a true "Battle Cleric" you should have made an Inquisitor. They put out far more damage, at lower levels atleast. I have fond memories of dropping an entire x4 on my Inquisitor in the high 40s, granted they were all green.</p><p>Second, you are a Templar, essentially a pure healing class. Do not sacrifice your healing ability for your DPS, go down the Strength line instead of Stamina as Steadfast will enable you to last much longer against several people at once. Also, do NOT spread out your AA for combat arts, many passive abilities will benefit you fair more. I HIGHLY recommend Wonderous buckling at low level, so I would spec: STA 4/8/8(3rd one increases your double attack a good amount). But the main focus should remain Steadfast. I would spec that line like: 4/4/8/8/2 (endline always requires 2 points). That is for increased health, for a LITTLE more DPS you could do 4/8/8/2/2.</p>

[Brigh]

<p><cite>Zacarus@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Brain@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I fail to see what you mean by this. First of all this isn't real life, and second the pvp range is supposed to be 4 levels, not 10 or 11 levels.</p></blockquote><p>The level range exists to protect the lower level players. However, you can attack everyone above your level, regardless of PvP level range.</p></blockquote><p>So, does this mean that if I get attacked by low level player I can't defend myself? Or by him/her attacking me they become flagged and I can attack them then.</p></blockquote><p>If you get jumped by greys you can only attack back in that particular encounter.  If they kill you, you are out of luck, there is no way for you to initiate (ie force them) into another encounter.  This game mechanic is by design.  The theory is, you are Red to them, and s/b able to defend yourself.In reality, Reds are quite vulnerable, especially in 4 and 8 level zone ranges.  A well geared level 22 can easily beat an undergeared level 27.  <span style="color: #ff6600;">Gear is the key to winning this game, not level.</span></p></blockquote><p>...but not 100% of the time. If you can't hit your opponent, you are dead (rangers, casters...).</p>

[the_snare]

<p>What I really like is I reassign and reset my AA tree as many times as I want. Man, if I could have done that in diablo II! There's no way to do it! Yes, I know I'll eventually have to start paying to reset it, but I don't care, it's well worth it and better than having to start a new character and earn all the AA's over.</p>

[Pengefinchess]

<p>No disresepect to any but i tend to smile abit when ppl say "i was ganked" when they simply lost a fight.</p><p>"Ganked" and and "Twinked" seem to be the two easiest ( and misused) gettout quotes when ppl die <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Urgol]

You should have no less then 48 aa's, the best of fabled gear for your tier (all adorned ofc), full set of masters, the + resist warg, a full set of alchemy, some quest consumables included, all the totems, etc just in orded to be competitive on t4. If you dont have that, no wonder lvl 10 overtwinked lads can pwn you.

[thesiren]

<p>Have you always been able to shut off mob XP, quest XP and discovery XP since Kingdom of Sky/open PvP servers launched?  I don't seem to remember it being much of a factor back then.</p>

[Alazarz]

<p>l o l</p>

[Tormax]

<p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Vlahkmaak@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>What class are you and what quality is your gear and ca/spell line up? If your racing to 80 lesson learned and keep pressing on. If not, start harvesting and gear up to at least MC level gear. In the meantime at 30ish you can do the teasured quest lines gear rewards in Enchanted Lands/Zek for some basic gear. It is not very good but it is free if your cash strapped and wll fill in sme empty slots while you harvest and AA. Harvest often while questing for AA to sell the rares you don't need - no matter how little they sell for they all add up over time. Also, you can horde the rares for future alts which is what many of us also do if we don't need cash.</p><p>Read your enemies buff window to determine what classes you face. If greys are stalking you, especially greys far below your level, they are prob well equiped greys (MC or fabled/ad3 and mastered out, etc.) who know their class and your class limitations.</p><p>Wiki has great quest guides for new players who may not be familiar with all the quest lines so you will know which zones to be in at what level and which alternate zones you can goto if you find yourself outnumbered in any zone.</p><p>Happy hunting and please let us knwo when you reach lvl 72 and are in KP or fens <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I'm a 33rd level human male templar. Right now for AA"s I'm working on the stanima line of cleric AA"s trying to get severe judgement up, I also have skull crack, wondrous buckling, divine castigation, and mostly master level spells. My gear is pretty much all tier 4 MC imbued feysteel armor and jewelery. And, I have a one handed imbued feysteel mace But, this doesn't seem to help me much in pvp, I get squashed anyway. I get a lot of comments on my nice gear though. It was costly.</p><p>I actually took a screenshot of my first pvp victory that I can post. It was against a troll shadownight, I believe. I killed him mainly by using my reactive heals on myself, with attacking him with my combat arts, and a divine strike/divine smith/warring deities combination. He just couldn't damage me enough to hurt me with how I could heal myself, and soon succumbed to my divine damage spells. Most other players dispatch me with out much trouble at all, especially if I'm soloing and get ganked by a group, usually when I'm harvesting</p><p>I've heard clerics are supposed to be uber healers. I suppose I was a little bit mislead. I was thinking more along the lines of a AD&D cleric, who can use spells, and while not as powerful as a pure tank/fighting class, is a trained fighter, which is what I wanted in my character. But, if the cleric isn't really for combat, why are there so many AA abilities that help one, such as the ones I mentioned above?</p></blockquote><p>go inquis, and get all the AA combat arts, master your heals and main debuffs and move on.</p>

[Chulanowa]

<p><cite>the_snare wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm a 33rd level human male templar.</p></blockquote><p>Well there's your problem! [Removed for Content] or [Removed for Content]. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cowled_Wizard]

<p>I was with a pallie and warden about lvl 30 in ROV and we stumbled across a wizzie lvl 26 and a warden lvl 73, they ran an the warden unmentored, we fought them anyway. We all focused on the wizze and effectively burnt the warden out of power trying to keep the wizzie up. Then we killed them both, still took a while. Getting beat by a couple 10 lvl's lower is nothing to get concerned about.</p><p>We were capped for aa, had all masters and MC/legendary/fabled gear and our resists as high as we could get them through jewelry. </p>

[xdeadumx]

<p>I think that someone 20 - 30 levels higher should naturally have stats that would prevent being touched or at leaste be only slightly scratched by someone that low.</p><p>However that means my brother and i can no longer duo lifeburn and manaburn a lvl 50-60 at lvl 20 and kill them without them knowing what happened.</p>