Mythical kind of stinks for power, what am I doing wrong?

[Aanadorn68]

<p>I originally had a myth coercer and for whatever reasons had to start all over again.  So this time around made an illy.  I noticed throughout my career that power regen kind of stunk, but everyone always told me to wait until I got my myth and I would not have any issues after that.</p><p>Well I finally got my illy myth last night and it still feels like I stink at power regen.  My Epiphany is mastered and my Manatap is Adept 3.  I spam manatap whenever it is up, hit mana cloak when thats up, and try to dps as much as possible to trigger my mythical.  But on long fights it still seems that the group gets low on power, certainly much lower than power ever got with my coercer.  And even then I sorely miss channel, and miss the ability to flow mana to another group in the raid.</p><p>Is there anything I might be missing or doing wrong?</p>

[Muraazi]

<p>First off I am not mythed yet, but my friend has a myth illy. I know my inq never really had any power issues with him in the group.</p><p>Just wanted to point out somethings that might be causing it. Healers not auto attacking the mob to get the proc power regen from epic. It seems (recently quit so) alot of wizzies are taking manaburn now which can really take alot of their power depending on when its cast of the mobs health.</p><p>I know with my illy (only fabled epic) that I lose alot more power than everyone else in the group. I am ussually lowest on power because im burning spells off so fast to make sure the group gets the procs.</p><p>Kind of off topic. I had a question about coercers myth manaflow. Since you said you had one I'll ask you. What is the recast on it and such? is it still 1 min? I have been playing with the idea of betraying to coercer but am still unsure of what I want to do.</p>

[Wullail]

<p><cite>Aanadorn68 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I originally had a myth coercer and for whatever reasons had to start all over again.  So this time around made an illy.  I noticed throughout my career that power regen kind of stunk, but everyone always told me to wait until I got my myth and I would not have any issues after that.</p><p>Well I finally got my illy myth last night and it still feels like I stink at power regen.  My Epiphany is mastered and my Manatap is Adept 3.  I spam manatap whenever it is up, hit mana cloak when thats up, and try to dps as much as possible to trigger my mythical.  But on long fights it still seems that the group gets low on power, certainly much lower than power ever got with my coercer.  And even then I sorely miss channel, and miss the ability to flow mana to another group in the raid.</p><p>Is there anything I might be missing or doing wrong?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure what you or the group are doing , as far as I remember the myth works by every time you cast an offensive spell there is a % chance for a buff to be placed on your group members that regen them some power when they melee or cast offensive spells.</p><p>So healers have to melee or cast debuffs/nuke as well to regen power, my guess is healers are only healing in some groups so not getting the proc working , thats all I can think of...</p><p>On my mythed illy I sometimes see the odd person (often the healer) running low on power due to fights where he/she is healing only so I wait till they hit 65% and then send some power their way , but pretty much the rest of the time the group is fine and at between 85% and full power.</p>

[Aanadorn68]

<p><cite>Muraazi wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>First off I am not mythed yet, but my friend has a myth illy. I know my inq never really had any power issues with him in the group.</p><p>Just wanted to point out somethings that might be causing it. Healers not auto attacking the mob to get the proc power regen from epic. It seems (recently quit so) alot of wizzies are taking manaburn now which can really take alot of their power depending on when its cast of the mobs health.</p><p>I know with my illy (only fabled epic) that I lose alot more power than everyone else in the group. I am ussually lowest on power because im burning spells off so fast to make sure the group gets the procs.</p><p>Kind of off topic. I had a question about coercers myth manaflow. Since you said you had one I'll ask you. What is the recast on it and such? is it still 1 min? I have been playing with the idea of betraying to coercer but am still unsure of what I want to do.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe I'm not understanding how the proc works.  It says on every hostile attack there is a 12% chance to proc an effect that replenishes the "target", which I thought meant the entire group, for 342 mana with 3 triggers.  So I thought that if anyone procced the effect, the entire group would get the power.  Is that incorrect?  I'm assuming you are saying that only that particular person who had the hostile attack and procced gets the power and no one else in the group?  If so that would explain why I'm feeling the illy regens much less power than the coercer.</p><p>And yes, the healer was the one who was constantly running out of power.  It was a templar, and having had a myth templar I know how easy it was for us to run out of power.  I never particularly looked at an illy versus coercer when I played my templar, but don't think I had many power issues if a chanter in general was in the group.  But as a templar I would constantly debuff, maybe that made the difference.</p><p>In relation to the coercer, their mana flow was 30 seconds out of the wrapper, and with 5 points into an AA that would go down to 20 seconds.  Having a full minute for manaflow is just ridiculously crappy IMO.  I'm only 160 AA so haven't gotten to the end ability of reducing that to 30 seconds.  There just seems like something missing from Illy's in regards to power regen compared to coercers.</p>

[Aanadorn68]

<p><cite>Wullail@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aanadorn68 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I originally had a myth coercer and for whatever reasons had to start all over again.  So this time around made an illy.  I noticed throughout my career that power regen kind of stunk, but everyone always told me to wait until I got my myth and I would not have any issues after that.</p><p>Well I finally got my illy myth last night and it still feels like I stink at power regen.  My Epiphany is mastered and my Manatap is Adept 3.  I spam manatap whenever it is up, hit mana cloak when thats up, and try to dps as much as possible to trigger my mythical.  But on long fights it still seems that the group gets low on power, certainly much lower than power ever got with my coercer.  And even then I sorely miss channel, and miss the ability to flow mana to another group in the raid.</p><p>Is there anything I might be missing or doing wrong?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure what you or the group are doing , as far as I remember the myth works by every time you cast an offensive spell there is a % chance for a buff to be placed on your group members that regen them some power when they melee or cast offensive spells.</p><p>So healers have to melee or cast debuffs/nuke as well to regen power, my guess is healers are only healing in some groups so not getting the proc working , thats all I can think of...</p><p>On my mythed illy I sometimes see the odd person (often the healer) running low on power due to fights where he/she is healing only so I wait till they hit 65% and then send some power their way , but pretty much the rest of the time the group is fine and at between 85% and full power.</p></blockquote><p>So the proc effects the person who procced it?  Or the entire group?  I definitely saw the healer running out of power, but on some of the longer fights a monk in group and couple of wizards also ran out of power, and not on manaburns.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>You are simply thinking about the Mythical all wrong.</p><p>The Illusionist Mythical is useless as a direct power replenishment tool.  If someone in your group stands there doing nothing, they get nothing out of it at all.</p><p>The weapon is an <strong><em>incredible</em></strong> tool however as a power replenishment <em><strong>enabler</strong></em>.  You enable your group to replenish large amounts of power very quickly if they know how to do their part.</p><p>When you cast hostile spells, you proc Soothing Mind onto your group.  This proc goes on to each person individually, it is not a shared effect.  The only thing shared is the initial proc from you.  Once you proc it onto your group, it is up to each person to take advantage of that.</p><p>Usually, the people I have the most trouble with are Priests, especially Templars.  What I encourage these folks to do is go into their spell book and load up a couple of very low level, fast casting nukes.  By using low level spells, they get the maximum return for their effort, and once they realize how Soothing Mind works, their power problems go away rather quickly.</p>

[Aanadorn68]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You are simply thinking about the Mythical all wrong.</p><p>The Illusionist Mythical is useless as a direct power replenishment tool.  If someone in your group stands there doing nothing, they get nothing out of it at all.</p><p>The weapon is an <strong><em>incredible</em></strong> tool however as a power replenishment <em><strong>enabler</strong></em>.  You enable your group to replenish large amounts of power very quickly if they know how to do their part.</p><p>When you cast hostile spells, you proc Soothing Mind onto your group.  This proc goes on to each person individually, it is not a shared effect.  The only thing shared is the initial proc from you.  Once you proc it onto your group, it is up to each person to take advantage of that.</p><p>Usually, the people I have the most trouble with are Priests, especially Templars.  What I encourage these folks to do is go into their spell book and load up a couple of very low level, fast casting nukes.  By using low level spells, they get the maximum return for their effort, and once they realize how Soothing Mind works, their power problems go away rather quickly.</p></blockquote><p>OK, so when I proc soothing mind it gives each group member an opportunity to have the 3x 342 power proc IF they attack, hostile cast, or debuff, is this correct?  So a healer who ONLY heals will get zero power return, but if they debuff, autoattack, or hostile spell they should be gtg? </p><p>BTW as I mentioned I also noticed a monk and a couple of wizards low on power as well in the same group.  The Templar was lower, but there were times I saw the monk and wizards in the 20-40% range, and they were the top of the parse so I know they were attacking.</p>

[Trifixion]

<p>when I hit about 50% mana I cast mana stone and extract mana till im full again. savanat also helps build your mana up fast when you myth procs.</p>

[Banditman]

<p>I'm not sure if a non-damage debuff will proc it or not.  You could check that on a training dummy using our non damage debuff.</p><p>Keep in mind, this isn't a "Full power 24/7" item.  You still have to work very hard on many fights using all your other tools to keep your group powered properly.  It's also not totally your responsibility to keep your group power up.  They have a responsibility as well.  Is the Templar using Manawell items?  Are the Mages using Soulsiphon?  Melee using Swift Recovery?  What about Girdle of the Di'Zok Spirit?</p><p>This one item is not a meal ticket to all your power needs, it's a single tool.  A really good tool, but only one of many.</p>

[Wullail]

<p><cite>Aanadorn68 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Wullail@Splitpaw wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aanadorn68 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I originally had a myth coercer and for whatever reasons had to start all over again.  So this time around made an illy.  I noticed throughout my career that power regen kind of stunk, but everyone always told me to wait until I got my myth and I would not have any issues after that.</p><p>Well I finally got my illy myth last night and it still feels like I stink at power regen.  My Epiphany is mastered and my Manatap is Adept 3.  I spam manatap whenever it is up, hit mana cloak when thats up, and try to dps as much as possible to trigger my mythical.  But on long fights it still seems that the group gets low on power, certainly much lower than power ever got with my coercer.  And even then I sorely miss channel, and miss the ability to flow mana to another group in the raid.</p><p>Is there anything I might be missing or doing wrong?</p></blockquote><p>Not sure what you or the group are doing , as far as I remember the myth works by every time you cast an offensive spell there is a % chance for a buff to be placed on your group members that regen them some power when they melee or cast offensive spells.</p><p>So healers have to melee or cast debuffs/nuke as well to regen power, my guess is healers are only healing in some groups so not getting the proc working , thats all I can think of...</p><p>On my mythed illy I sometimes see the odd person (often the healer) running low on power due to fights where he/she is healing only so I wait till they hit 65% and then send some power their way , but pretty much the rest of the time the group is fine and at between 85% and full power.</p></blockquote><p>So the proc effects the person who procced it?  Or the entire group?  I definitely saw the healer running out of power, but on some of the longer fights a monk in group and couple of wizards also ran out of power, and not on manaburns.</p></blockquote><p>YOUR Proc gives each person a buff,  THEY then have to make the regen buff proc by casting offensive spells or melee hits to gain power , hope that makes sense.</p>