Frostfell 2009 - *Spoiler*

[Xalmat]

<p>Everyone's favorite ice dragon is back! And he has a name now: Vrewwx</p><p>You meet up with Aildiun Mawdrun, the Freethinker from last year who sent you into the icy keep.</p><p>You say, "Hail, Aildiun Mawdrun"Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "We have heard everything that happened within the keep's walls. Everything! We know about the dragon and we know about what you did. We will not let anyone know of your deeds but remember this is only due to the help you were to us. That is if you do another task for us..."You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "What is it you need? I can't believe I am doing this..."Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "We have been keeping a sharp ear to what is going on inside. It seems all that devastation you caused to their forces was for naught. These beings are made from permafrost and appear to be coming back to life shortly after they meet their demise."You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "This isn't the first time something has come back to life in this land."Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "Right you are, however, this appears to be some sort of new magic or it's so old that we know nothing of it. We are very intrigued to know what this new magic is and where it is coming from."You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "So, let me guess... You want me to go in and slaughter everything... Again... So you can figure out how to bring people back to life... Which you already know how to do."Aildiun Mawdrun/a says to you, "For someone in debt to my silence, you do not speak like you would like me to keep your secrets."You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "Okay! So, go in and investigate why or how they are coming back to life. I will let you know what I find."Aildiun Mawdrun/a says to you, "There is one more thing and listen well... These beings are growing much stronger and at a very rapid rate. You will definitely need the help of some of your friends for this one. If you venture in there alone this time you will not come out alive."You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "Well, lets hope this resurrection magic works. I will get some friends just in case, though."</p><p>Upon zoning into Icy Keep: The Return, and making your way to the back of the fort (and walking past several frozen goblins), Ice Maiden D'Ina greets you.</p><p>Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "You just have no idea when to quit, do you? Your kind has interfered here for far too long."Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "If you think we will just stand by and allow you to wander uncontested in our halls while we do our master's will you are sorely mistaken!"Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "The master will soon be ready and he will be able to carry out his legacy. A legacy that will be remember for ages to come. A legacy that will be remembered till ages end!"Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "Corrival! Come forth and do my bidding! Teach these fools to meddle in our business! "Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "Dispatch of these fools then come back to my side! Prove your loyalties!"</p><p>***The Frozen Corrival walks into the room and fights you. When you slay him, he says as his last action***</p><p>The Frozen Corrival says, "Death cannot hold my last breath while the maiden calls me forth!"</p><p>***At that point the baby dragon from last year, Vrewwx enters the room and addresses you.***</p><p>Vrewwx says, "Stubborn fools, do you not realize the chain reaction you bring about when you lunge forth and just slay everything in your path?"Vrewwx says, "Your kind has been bred to instinctually kill first and ask questions later. You will one day do something which you will not be able to take back. "Vrewwx/a says, "When this day comes, I will be there to show you the damage you have done. Until that time, we will be watching you closely. I am sure we will meet again soon."</p><p>***At that point, Vrewwx and Ice Maiden D'Ina disappear. You return to Aildiun Mawdrun.***</p><p>Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "I see you are back, and in one piece. What did you find?"You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "I am afraid they have become a bit too powerful for me to continue the investigation any further."Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "Did you not confront them inside?"You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "Oh, did I! I met blades with one called the Frozen Corrival. He seemed to be made of pure permafrost. So much so he could fracture himself and duplicate himself at will. "Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "Did you defeat him?"You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "Wait a minute... I thought you had listening devices inside. Shouldn't you already know all this?"Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "It appears some sort of greater power was able to sense we were listening in and the devices were destroyed."You say to Aildiun Mawdrun, "I see. Yes, I defeated him. However, the new dragon, Vrewwx, appeared and the two of them disappeared. It appears this dragon is getting much stronger."Aildiun Mawdrun says to you, "Indeed he is, but he is no concern of ours. It seems our investigation will have to halt until they make their intentions known by some other means."</p><p>Also, Gardy Ex-Giftgiver and Santa Glug have made up, and become friends in the spirit of cooperation. I don't have the NPC dialog handy, but it's an interesting quest.</p>

[Terrius]

<p>so does this mean the new ice dragon is male? cause in the icy keep some of the frozen goblins refer to it as a she. Or is the "master"  Ice maiden D'Ina mentions, someone else? such as nagafen? O.o</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">You notice he lectures us AFTER his Nanny sends a mob after us?</span></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "The master will soon be ready and he will be able to carry out his legacy. A legacy that will be remember for ages to come. A legacy that will be remembered till ages end!"</p></blockquote><p>So, is D'Ina just not up on current events, or is her master's legacy so minor we won't remember it for more than a few months?</p><p>If the Shissar Calendar and our interpretations of it are correct, Ages End is happening in the next expansion.</p>

[Astaer]

<p>Certain things are happening in a fast pace. We have:</p><p>- speculations that the dreamweaver/Morrell Thule (though not confirmed) is returning in one way or the other, announcing that we "will know him again", and speculations that he is tied into the Erollisi Marr storyline somehow</p><p>- Lucan disappearing and the soulfire stolen, betrayed by Tayil.</p><p>- Quellithulians restoring the spire teleportation system, which we (can) use during the FP questline of Lucan's vanishing act.</p><p>- Murrar Shar possessed by the ghost of Kayle Bayle, who was brought back from unexistence by his "master" to take vengeance on Antonia.</p><p>- the new ice dragon returns, now we know his name: Vrewwx, who warns us to be careful of our actions, announces we will meet him again and he will show us the error of our ways.</p><p>I am wondering whether these events have some kind of correlation, or if they are stand-alone events that tell their own stories. And will the new expansion give the answers that are raised during these events?</p><p>And where did this new dragon come from in the first place? The fact that the freethinkers talk of an unknown kind of magic that focuses on bringing back those that were dead or defeated (but supposedly not like necromancy) almost makes me think that this dragon is brought back to Norrath through that same magic, making it a possiblity that he existed before (either that or it's one of Naggy's eggs? As to my understanding, there were no other dragon eggs on Norrath?).</p><p>Still, maybe the dragon is not of that much significance (since the influence of the dragons is supposedly fading, and the freethinker npc mentions the dragon would be of no concern?), but the unknown magic mentioned in this new questline could be.</p><p>Also, since the freethinker npc tells us that some "greater power" has noticed the listening crystals and had them destroyed, it is a possibility that the "master" that D'Ina refers to could well be someone or something other than Vrewwx, someone or something that is able to supply them with the magic they use.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>will feel bad if we have to actualy kill <span>Vrewwx after that speach of his. makes me feel like we are the bad guys...</span></p>

[Lodrelhai]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "The master will soon be ready and he will be able to carry out his legacy. A legacy that will be remember for ages to come. A legacy that will be remembered till ages end!"</p></blockquote><p>So, is D'Ina just not up on current events, or is her master's legacy so minor we won't remember it for more than a few months?</p><p>If the Shissar Calendar and our interpretations of it are correct, Ages End is happening in the next expansion.</p></blockquote><p>Not quite.  If my notes from FanFaire are right, SF is the end of the Void storyline and the next step towards Age's End.</p>

[BleemTeam]

<p><cite>Astaer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Certain things are happening in a fast pace. We have:</p><p><strong>- speculations that the dreamweaver/Morrell Thule (though not confirmed) is returning in one way or the other, announcing that we "will know him again", and speculations that he is tied into the Erollisi Marr storyline somehow</strong></p><p>- Lucan disappearing and the soulfire stolen, betrayed by Tayil.</p><p>- Quellithulians restoring the spire teleportation system, which we (can) use during the FP questline of Lucan's vanishing act.</p><p>- Murrar Shar possessed by the ghost of Kayle Bayle, who was brought back from unexistence by his "master" to take vengeance on Antonia.</p><p>- the new ice dragon returns, now we know his name: Vrewwx, who warns us to be careful of our actions, announces we will meet him again and he will show us the error of our ways.</p><p>I am wondering whether these events have some kind of correlation, or if they are stand-alone events that tell their own stories. And will the new expansion give the answers that are raised during these events?</p><p>And where did this new dragon come from in the first place? The fact that the freethinkers talk of an unknown kind of magic that focuses on bringing back those that were dead or defeated (but supposedly not like necromancy) almost makes me think that this dragon is brought back to Norrath through that same magic, making it a possiblity that he existed before (either that or it's one of Naggy's eggs? As to my understanding, there were no other dragon eggs on Norrath?).</p><p>Still, maybe the dragon is not of that much significance (since the influence of the dragons is supposedly fading, and the freethinker npc mentions the dragon would be of no concern?), but the unknown magic mentioned in this new questline could be.</p><p>Also, since the freethinker npc tells us that some "greater power" has noticed the listening crystals and had them destroyed, it is a possibility that the "master" that D'Ina refers to could well be someone or something other than Vrewwx, someone or something that is able to supply them with the magic they use.</p></blockquote><p>I was under the impression that the sleeping guy during Hero Fest was Kyle Bayle. I interpreted it that way anyways. Saying it was easy to penetrate the dreams of Murrar Shar, etc.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>was way to nice to be kyle.  and kyle had been possessing murrur for awhile.</p><p>closest guess is on Morrell Thule still<strong>.</strong><span ><strong></strong></span></p>

[DukeOccam]

<p><cite>Astaer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>- Lucan disappearing and the soulfire stolen, betrayed by Tayil.</p></blockquote><p>Was it really Tayil doing it, or is she gonna play the "I was possessed" card like Murrar? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />Honestly I'm kind of hoping she did it while in full control of her faculties.An interesting observation by Bleem...I still lean towards Morrell, but Kyle's probably my 2nd guess now. Like shadowscale says, he was way too mellow about it. Or maybe we've got a bad guy who's not a raving egomaniac for once. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Lodrelhai]

<p>I think Kyle proved quite well that he's a raving egomaniac with his rant at Antonia.</p><p>I seem to remember him laughing and mocking players when we freed his spirit in the sanctum too.  Definitely not the same behavior as our sleeper last month.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Makes you wonder if he might ally with Quelly?</span></p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>will feel bad if we have to actualy kill <span>Vrewwx after that speach of his. makes me feel like we are the bad guys...</span></p></blockquote><p>We ARE the bad guys, have always been. It is the entire Norrathian way, not FP, not Qeynos, all of Norrath. We discover new lands, and new creatures, and kill them. They do not have to be evil, sentient, or anything. We just do because our greed for power and treasure drives us to do such.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>will feel bad if we have to actualy kill <span>Vrewwx after that speach of his. makes me feel like we are the bad guys...</span></p></blockquote><p>We ARE the bad guys, have always been. It is the entire Norrathian way, not FP, not Qeynos, all of Norrath. We discover new lands, and new creatures, and kill them. They do not have to be evil, sentient, or anything. We just do because our greed for power and treasure drives us to do such.</p></blockquote><p>... now im even more depressed...</p><p>and wait... so far we have basicly been killing evil stuff. DoF had mudeef and the dijin master as bad guys. KoS was well... everything due to them threataning to invade, EoF had mistmore, (im not happy about wushi eather), RoK... im not sure exactly what happend... and TSO basicly had a reason for going to all the zones, (ok aside from najena).</p><p>sigh im off to go mope now over more posable forced dragon killing...</p>

[Ahlana]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>will feel bad if we have to actualy kill <span>Vrewwx after that speach of his. makes me feel like we are the bad guys...</span></p></blockquote><p>We ARE the bad guys, have always been. It is the entire Norrathian way, not FP, not Qeynos, all of Norrath. We discover new lands, and new creatures, and kill them. They do not have to be evil, sentient, or anything. We just do because our greed for power and treasure drives us to do such.</p></blockquote><p>... now im even more depressed...</p><p>and wait... so far we have basicly been killing evil stuff. DoF had mudeef and the dijin master as bad guys. KoS was well... everything due to them threataning to invade, EoF had mistmore, (im not happy about wushi eather), RoK... im not sure exactly what happend... and TSO basicly had a reason for going to all the zones, (ok aside from najena).</p><p>sigh im off to go mope now over more posable forced dragon killing...</p></blockquote><p>Good and Evil are relative. We took sides on everything. The Goblins in DoF aren't evil in the all encompassin terms. They just are, protecting their lands from the harsh environment that is around them. We killed Naga and Harpies, creatures that are not waging wars on anyone or anything. The Cyclops which once again roam their own little area with no real threat to anyone, we wandered to their home and slaughtered them.</p><p>It is the same for every expansion, for every real evil or threat there is, there is plenty that is of no real harm unless you invade their area. Yes we often stop plots to destroy the world, or certain take overs. But the much larger picture is that we are plunderers, going to lost dungeons and lost lands to slay the natives and take their "lewts". Most of the killing has no lore reason behind it, the giants near Highton are plotting to destroy the world or take over FP. ect.. ect..</p>

[Triasa]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>will feel bad if we have to actualy kill <span>Vrewwx after that speach of his. makes me feel like we are the bad guys...</span></p></blockquote><p>We ARE the bad guys, have always been. It is the entire Norrathian way, not FP, not Qeynos, all of Norrath. We discover new lands, and new creatures, and kill them. They do not have to be evil, sentient, or anything. We just do because our greed for power and treasure drives us to do such.</p></blockquote><p>Yep - like in RoK:  "Hmmm, we need Trakanon's assistance with this chelsith stone thingy...  so let's just slaughter the Ring of Scale for no reason, then go kill him too."</p><p>I know, I know, they wouldn't take kindly to us being there, and Trak tried to betray us...  but still...</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ice Maiden D'Ina says, "The master will soon be ready and he will be able to carry out his legacy. A legacy that will be remember for ages to come. A legacy that will be remembered till ages end!"</p></blockquote><p>So, is D'Ina just not up on current events, or is her master's legacy so minor we won't remember it for more than a few months?</p><p>If the Shissar Calendar and our interpretations of it are correct, Ages End is happening in the next expansion.</p></blockquote><p>Not quite.  If my notes from FanFaire are right, SF is the end of the Void storyline and the next step towards Age's End.</p></blockquote><p>My recollection is the same SF is more like the Mid-point of the end of days Arc, with Odus playing a pivital role in it. The end of the Void issue, but the begining of something else.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>will feel bad if we have to actualy kill <span>Vrewwx after that speach of his. makes me feel like we are the bad guys...</span></p></blockquote><p>We ARE the bad guys, have always been. It is the entire Norrathian way, not FP, not Qeynos, all of Norrath. We discover new lands, and new creatures, and kill them. They do not have to be evil, sentient, or anything. We just do because our greed for power and treasure drives us to do such.</p></blockquote><p>... now im even more depressed...</p><p>and wait... so far we have basicly been killing evil stuff. DoF had mudeef and the dijin master as bad guys. KoS was well... everything due to them threataning to invade, EoF had mistmore, (im not happy about wushi eather), RoK... im not sure exactly what happend... and TSO basicly had a reason for going to all the zones, (ok aside from najena).</p><p>sigh im off to go mope now over more posable forced dragon killing...</p></blockquote><p>Good and Evil are relative. We took sides on everything. The Goblins in DoF aren't evil in the all encompassin terms. They just are, protecting their lands from the harsh environment that is around them. We killed Naga and Harpies, creatures that are not waging wars on anyone or anything. The Cyclops which once again roam their own little area with no real threat to anyone, we wandered to their home and slaughtered them.</p><p>It is the same for every expansion, for every real evil or threat there is, there is plenty that is of no real harm unless you invade their area. Yes we often stop plots to destroy the world, or certain take overs. But the much larger picture is that we are plunderers, going to lost dungeons and lost lands to slay the natives and take their "lewts". Most of the killing has no lore reason behind it, the giants near Highton are plotting to destroy the world or take over FP. ect.. ect..</p></blockquote><p>We are and always have been, for the most part, Opertunists. Why did we help the Sage of the Ages(Darathar)? 1. cause he claimed there was a threat. 2. really powerful gear. Why did we help Naggy once Darathar's betrail was knowen? mainly revenge, and cool stuff from Naggy. Why did we go into Stormhold...for the loot. Really while we are not bad guys per say, cause atleast some of use do want to atleast try to do good. All of us are Opertunists trying to increase our own power.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Astaer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Certain things are happening in a fast pace. We have:</p><p>- speculations that the dreamweaver/Morrell Thule (though not confirmed) is returning in one way or the other, announcing that we "will know him again", and speculations that he is tied into the Erollisi Marr storyline somehow</p><p>- Lucan disappearing and the soulfire stolen, betrayed by Tayil.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Don't forget what the guy we followed into the tower said, he was returning the Sword to its and his MASTER.</span></p><p>- Quellithulians restoring the spire teleportation system, which we (can) use during the FP questline of Lucan's vanishing act.</p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">We know though the building of the new system that you can infact goto the space between spaces, and something lives there(we fought them) so the mage that helped us is wrong. That and aparently the portal opened up infront of Lucan is part of that, hence the items showing up just outside the just completed spires.</span></p><p>- Murrar Shar possessed by the ghost of Kayle Bayle, who was brought back from unexistence by his "master" to take vengeance on Antonia.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kayle was order to get the Claymore for his Master, and by getting access to the Order of Marr was able to do so, indirectly.</span></p><p>- the new ice dragon returns, now we know his name: Vrewwx, who warns us to be careful of our actions, announces we will meet him again and he will show us the error of our ways.</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">Well we aready messed up twice, once in hatching the dragon last year, and this year(if you did the Lucan quest) helping get the Soulfire to Tayil's master</span></p><p>I am wondering whether these events have some kind of correlation, or if they are stand-alone events that tell their own stories. And will the new expansion give the answers that are raised during these events?</p><p>And where did this new dragon come from in the first place? The fact that the freethinkers talk of an unknown kind of magic that focuses on bringing back those that were dead or defeated (but supposedly not like necromancy) almost makes me think that this dragon is brought back to Norrath through that same magic, making it a possiblity that he existed before (either that or it's one of Naggy's eggs? As to my understanding, there were no other dragon eggs on Norrath?).</p><p>Still, maybe the dragon is not of that much significance (since the influence of the dragons is supposedly fading, and the freethinker npc mentions the dragon would be of no concern?), but the unknown magic mentioned in this new questline could be.</p><p>Also, since the freethinker npc tells us that some "greater power" has noticed the listening crystals and had them destroyed, it is a possibility that the "master" that D'Ina refers to could well be someone or something other than Vrewwx, someone or something that is able to supply them with the magic they use.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">First, off both the Bayle event and the Lucan event taken by themselfs are bad and might be seperate, except for one thing, BOTH Kyle and Tayil's targets where The Swords of Destiny, and as they originally belonged to Theer, my guess is thier(the swords) Master(that Tayil refured to) is infact Theer, and we just helped him get his hands on the second of the two Swords, and where too late to protect the Claymore.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">I am not sure the rebuilding of the spires directly connects to anything going on, but I would hazzard a guess that the Quethulians know alot more then they are letting on and are likly really setting this up to atleast in part save themselfs.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">I am not sure if he is refuring to events currently going on or predicting some future event. It is possable he was taking about what we did with Ashante and the fact that by "Killing" her we accually released her, and something similar possably happing with Theer as well.</span></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>will feel bad if we have to actualy kill <span>Vrewwx after that speach of his. makes me feel like we are the bad guys...</span></p></blockquote><p>We ARE the bad guys, have always been. It is the entire Norrathian way, not FP, not Qeynos, all of Norrath. We discover new lands, and new creatures, and kill them. They do not have to be evil, sentient, or anything. We just do because our greed for power and treasure drives us to do such.</p></blockquote><p>... now im even more depressed...</p><p>and wait... so far we have basicly been killing evil stuff. DoF had mudeef and the dijin master as bad guys. KoS was well... everything due to them threataning to invade, EoF had mistmore, (im not happy about wushi eather), RoK... im not sure exactly what happend... and TSO basicly had a reason for going to all the zones, (ok aside from najena).</p><p>sigh im off to go mope now over more posable forced dragon killing...</p></blockquote><p>Good and Evil are relative. We took sides on everything. The Goblins in DoF aren't evil in the all encompassin terms. They just are, protecting their lands from the harsh environment that is around them. We killed Naga and Harpies, creatures that are not waging wars on anyone or anything. The Cyclops which once again roam their own little area with no real threat to anyone, we wandered to their home and slaughtered them.</p><p>It is the same for every expansion, for every real evil or threat there is, there is plenty that is of no real harm unless you invade their area. Yes we often stop plots to destroy the world, or certain take overs. But the much larger picture is that we are plunderers, going to lost dungeons and lost lands to slay the natives and take their "lewts". Most of the killing has no lore reason behind it, the giants near Highton are plotting to destroy the world or take over FP. ect.. ect..</p></blockquote><p>To be fair, 90% of the beings we run into try to murder us at first glance. We run into Orcs, they try to kill us. We run into Gnolls, they try to kill us. We run into Goblins, they try to kill us. Even when we arn't invading their homes, they try to kill us. In the old west, if you wandered up to someone's farmstead, the farmer and his family didn't immediately start shooting. If they thought you might be trouble, they'd have a gun handy but they'd talk first. People generally never go out to greet strangers with a pointed gun or drawn weapon.</p><p>Now when you attack the non-aggressive NPCs, that's quite possibly an "evil" act. Then again, we're adventurers. The only situations offered to us are standarly leathal solutions. "What? That guy insulted you in the bar! Well, let me just wander over and murder him for you! Thanks for the 10 silver!". That part is game design. It isn't like we can go over and talk with most NPCs and make them go apologize or return whatever.</p><p>Good and Evil are concepts, and definately not absolutes in EQ2. You have to accept a certain portion of what we would normally consider evil actions are just part of game design. If you wanted to be absolutely good you wouldn't get beyond your own home city and you'd fill your time crafting for a living and only raising arms to perform city writs (because they represent defending your home city, right?).</p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

<p><cite>Astaer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Certain things are happening in a fast pace. We have:</p><p>And where did this new dragon come from in the first place? The fact that the freethinkers talk of an unknown kind of magic that focuses on bringing back those that were dead or defeated (but supposedly not like necromancy) almost makes me think that this dragon is brought back to Norrath through that same magic, making it a possiblity that he existed before (either that or it's one of Naggy's eggs? As to my understanding, there were no other dragon eggs on Norrath?).</p></blockquote><p>The new magic, could it be Time magic? (Chronomancy?). There are chronomancers out there now that let you self-mentor and do quests for them at lower levels. It isn't that huge a leap to consider Temporal magic existing that can pull/copy a creature from the time stream before its death and bring it forward. Hence not true necromancy, but more like temporalmancy/chronomancy.</p><p>Plus, with the Planar shards coming back slowly, maybe people are tapping into the Plane of Time somehow to access the temporal energies.</p>

[Vanisher123]

<p>I'm hoping all of this leads to something in eq2, with all this stuff that seems to be leading to a climax and the mention of another eq mmo, i fear this is a hidden lead in for a new game =/</p><p>I really hope it's something for us...</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Astaer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Certain things are happening in a fast pace. We have:</p><p>And where did this new dragon come from in the first place? The fact that the freethinkers talk of an unknown kind of magic that focuses on bringing back those that were dead or defeated (but supposedly not like necromancy) almost makes me think that this dragon is brought back to Norrath through that same magic, making it a possiblity that he existed before (either that or it's one of Naggy's eggs? As to my understanding, there were no other dragon eggs on Norrath?).</p></blockquote><p>The new magic, could it be Time magic? (Chronomancy?). There are chronomancers out there now that let you self-mentor and do quests for them at lower levels. It isn't that huge a leap to consider Temporal magic existing that can pull/copy a creature from the time stream before its death and bring it forward. Hence not true necromancy, but more like temporalmancy/chronomancy.</p><p>Plus, with the Planar shards coming back slowly, maybe people are tapping into the Plane of Time somehow to access the temporal energies.</p></blockquote><p>Newsflash! Mobs discover "soulbinding"! Adventurers puzzled what took them so long. News at 11!</p>

[Obzidian]

<p>Don't forget that the Ulteran spires are powered and crafted from magic-imbued pieces of the void (kaborite are imbued void shards which is why the quellthulians have been collecting them from us.)</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Astaer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Certain things are happening in a fast pace. We have:</p><p>And where did this new dragon come from in the first place? The fact that the freethinkers talk of an unknown kind of magic that focuses on bringing back those that were dead or defeated (but supposedly not like necromancy) almost makes me think that this dragon is brought back to Norrath through that same magic, making it a possiblity that he existed before (either that or it's one of Naggy's eggs? As to my understanding, there were no other dragon eggs on Norrath?).</p></blockquote><p>The new magic, could it be Time magic? (Chronomancy?). There are chronomancers out there now that let you self-mentor and do quests for them at lower levels. It isn't that huge a leap to consider Temporal magic existing that can pull/copy a creature from the time stream before its death and bring it forward. Hence not true necromancy, but more like temporalmancy/chronomancy.</p><p>Plus, with the Planar shards coming back slowly, maybe people are tapping into the Plane of Time somehow to access the temporal energies.</p></blockquote><p>This is not a lead-in to EQnext(or whatever they will call it) in any way or form. For two very importaint reasons, first that would Hamstring the new game to the majority of the lore in this game, it is far more likly that it will take place ether in the distant past, far enough away to not have any direct impact in any of the three other EQmmos or it will take place far enough in the future of EQ1's timeline that EQ1 won't have a direct effect on its timeline. Or finally it will take place in a Third Alternate timeline, completly severing it from any unnecicary connections to ether game.</p><p>What we are seeing is the building to the end of the VOID storyline, that will end in Sentanil's Fate, and wich also marks the halfway point or so in the "End of Days" story line.</p><p>Even when the End of Days story line happens it still likly won't mark the end of EQ2's Norath but just the end of it as we know it. Just like the end of Return of the King, was the end of Middle Earth as they knew it.</p>

[Vanisher123]

<p>Wait, where did this "end of days" timeline thing come from? (somehow over looked this fact last time i posted o.O)</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Vanisher123 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Wait, where did this "end of days" timeline thing come from? (somehow over looked this fact last time i posted o.O)</p></blockquote><p>Shissar Calendar predicts the end of days. The calendar predicts major events through out Norrath's history and actually predicted when the Shissar Empire would fall (and lead to some pockets of Shissar abandoning Kunark in time to save themselves). The end of the calendar is suppose to signify the End of Days (aka some massive event after which Norrath no longer exists).</p>