Luclin's Fate

[Anestacia]

<p>I was romping through my old playground earlier (The EQ1 Lore Forums) and ran across something interesting about Luclin.  With Seeds of Destiny, the Norathians had to go back to various times in history to stop the world from being destroyed by the Discordians.  When they finally beat, Im asuming hes the last boss (I am sort of rusty on new EQ1 lore), everything has fixed itself and all returned to how it should be except Luclin.  It was still destroyed and from the description it appeared to look like our Luclin.  I wonder if there is any signifgance to this and if the same events that are still unknown to the EQ2 universe are the same fate that the EQ1 Luclin has suffered.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Completely unrelated. If anything, Luclin being destroyed in EQlive means that they took the idea from us.</p><p>Whos the final boss? you didnt mention a name.</p>

[Sale]

<p>Eh I think his name is Lord Brekt, Rider of Discord. Pretty much the leader of the muramites deal which ends (I hope, they are as tiresome as the void on eq2) on that expansion. Which yeah its unrelated and luclin? I haven't seen EQ1's Void  (G) pictures but I don't recall luclin being around the other voids, I remember the weak sun tho.</p>

[Anestacia]

<p>I know that SoD and anything after PoP doesnt directly effect our timeleine, however, it seems strange that both timelines Luclins would explode in a similar fashion.  That leads me to beleive that the plan for the moons destruction was laid prior to events in the planes.  It could be coincidental but just seems odd. Not to mention that the whole expansion deals with time travel and diffrent dimensions and is all led up by the same catalyst that caused our timelines to split in the first place, Zeburouk.   Anyway, <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=155811" target="_blank">here </a>is the thread that I read the information on; it wasnt very long just thought it was interesting.</p>

[Liched]

<p>The lizardmen know all about these 5 moons <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Trost's last expansion was Velious but his chelsith symbol was in there well before Velious (at least kunark looking at the old zones).  He no doubt set up a master plan to merge all the games together and thus we got the luclin/pop epic saga.</p><p>Obviously SOE were very happy with EQ1 so around the time of kunark/velious they wanted to invest and create EQ2 - the story must have needed an angle to explain it all through lore so I reckon trost was the one to do it.</p><p>We got our lovely spires in kunark eventually leading to Luclin. Lore issues that were deep in the foundations of EQ1 could be addressed and the several worlds that were about to pop up needed good explanations.</p><p>Alot of people got upset at the random idea of discord, but now we know that this is not all so random. Discord influenced Kurn, Kurn somehow now is all messed up with the void.</p><p>Ouroboros and multi-game-crossing time travelling players. You're about to be your own grandfather. </p><p>Welcome to the EQ universe! (i love it!)</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Anestacia wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I know that SoD and anything after PoP doesnt directly effect our timeleine, however, it seems strange that both timelines Luclins would explode in a similar fashion.  That leads me to beleive that the plan for the moons destruction was laid prior to events in the planes.  It could be coincidental but just seems odd. Not to mention that the whole expansion deals with time travel and diffrent dimensions and is all led up by the same catalyst that caused our timelines to split in the first place, Zeburouk.   Anyway, <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m?topic_id=155811" target="_blank">here </a>is the thread that I read the information on; it wasnt very long just thought it was interesting.</p></blockquote><p>Just *HOW*, exactly, does Luclin get blown up in EQlive? The actual source of what caused it is the big factor. Just saying that Luclin blew up in the same fashion as ours isn't saying much. Common universal physics will tell you what happens when a celestial body explodes and it's own gravity continues to keep a hold on it's own pieces.</p>

[Sale]

<p>I still don't know what is supposed to be luclin on eqlive's void =P its the stones floating around? >_></p><p>if its this stone by the sun  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery2/thevoidf-ro.jpg" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/sce...thevoidf-ro.jpg</a> that seems to be repairing with each void and that could as well be drinal.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery2/thevoida-ro.jpg" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/sce...thevoida-ro.jpg</a> here its smaller and more pieces around</p><p>. . . so maybe eq1 devs got lazy? xp</p><p> I still want to see a pic of the last void! >< I don't raid anymore on eq1 >.></p>

[Liched]

<p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p></blockquote><p>What we know in EQ2 Lore about Luclin is that pre-shattering/rending Solusek Ro and Rallos Zek had their minions invade the Nexus and shut it down. The entire spire network stopped working. In itself, this is rather strange because the network was active before Luclin's Nexus was created. But, you know, whatever, right? Also spotted at the time was a huge gem type device being carried by the minions that were invading.</p><p>Several decades later, Luclin explodes (i.e. the Shattering). Cause? Nobody on Norrath has any way to know because there was no communication with Luclin for decades. Maybe if we visit a Shard of Drunder, or a Shard of Flame we might discover records of what exactly went on there. Maybe Luclin herself could decend to Norrath and tell us the story. Maybe some written records could of survived in a large fragment of Luclin that impacted Norrath but survived relatively intact (ala large peice in Timmorous Deep). Maybe even the Nexus itself could of survived and we could have a ghostly replay of the events similar to the halfling ghost in Fallen Gate.</p><p>Until we get another lore source, its just an unknown mystery.</p>

[Liched]

<p><cite>Kerias wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I still don't know what is supposed to be luclin on eqlive's void =P its the stones floating around? >_></p><p>if its this stone by the sun  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery2/thevoidf-ro.jpg" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/sce...thevoidf-ro.jpg</a> that seems to be repairing with each void and that could as well be drinal.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery2/thevoida-ro.jpg" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/sce...thevoida-ro.jpg</a> here its smaller and more pieces around</p><p>. . . so maybe eq1 devs got lazy? xp</p><p> I still want to see a pic of the last void! >< I don't raid anymore on eq1 >.></p></blockquote><p>i think that's norrath</p>

[Liched]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p></blockquote><p>What we know in EQ2 Lore about Luclin is that pre-shattering/rending Solusek Ro and Rallos Zek had their minions invade the Nexus and shut it down. The entire spire network stopped working. In itself, this is rather strange because the network was active before Luclin's Nexus was created. But, you know, whatever, right? Also spotted at the time was a huge gem type device being carried by the minions that were invading.</p><p>Several decades later, Luclin explodes (i.e. the Shattering). Cause? Nobody on Norrath has any way to know because there was no communication with Luclin for decades. Maybe if we visit a Shard of Drunder, or a Shard of Flame we might discover records of what exactly went on there. Maybe Luclin herself could decend to Norrath and tell us the story. Maybe some written records could of survived in a large fragment of Luclin that impacted Norrath but survived relatively intact (ala large peice in Timmorous Deep). Maybe even the Nexus itself could of survived and we could have a ghostly replay of the events similar to the halfling ghost in Fallen Gate.</p><p>Until we get another lore source, its just an unknown mystery.</p></blockquote><p>If i remember correctly when the combine first went to Luclin they ended up being pulled underground to the large black rock that was there. You can see it under the nexus platform, it's all weird <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p></blockquote><p>What we know in EQ2 Lore about Luclin is that pre-shattering/rending Solusek Ro and Rallos Zek had their minions invade the Nexus and shut it down. The entire spire network stopped working. In itself, this is rather strange because the network was active before Luclin's Nexus was created. But, you know, whatever, right? Also spotted at the time was a huge gem type device being carried by the minions that were invading.</p><p>Several decades later, Luclin explodes (i.e. the Shattering). Cause? Nobody on Norrath has any way to know because there was no communication with Luclin for decades. Maybe if we visit a Shard of Drunder, or a Shard of Flame we might discover records of what exactly went on there. Maybe Luclin herself could decend to Norrath and tell us the story. Maybe some written records could of survived in a large fragment of Luclin that impacted Norrath but survived relatively intact (ala large peice in Timmorous Deep). Maybe even the Nexus itself could of survived and we could have a ghostly replay of the events similar to the halfling ghost in Fallen Gate.</p><p>Until we get another lore source, its just an unknown mystery.</p></blockquote><p>If i remember correctly when the combine first went to Luclin they ended up being pulled underground to the large black rock that was there. You can see it under the nexus platform, it's all weird <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>And it was several hundred years, not decades, between when the Dresolisk Crystal was move into the Nexus, and when Luclin actually blew up.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p></blockquote><p>What we know in EQ2 Lore about Luclin is that pre-shattering/rending Solusek Ro and Rallos Zek had their minions invade the Nexus and shut it down. The entire spire network stopped working. In itself, this is rather strange because the network was active before Luclin's Nexus was created. But, you know, whatever, right? Also spotted at the time was a huge gem type device being carried by the minions that were invading.</p><p>Several decades later, Luclin explodes (i.e. the Shattering). Cause? Nobody on Norrath has any way to know because there was no communication with Luclin for decades. Maybe if we visit a Shard of Drunder, or a Shard of Flame we might discover records of what exactly went on there. Maybe Luclin herself could decend to Norrath and tell us the story. Maybe some written records could of survived in a large fragment of Luclin that impacted Norrath but survived relatively intact (ala large peice in Timmorous Deep). Maybe even the Nexus itself could of survived and we could have a ghostly replay of the events similar to the halfling ghost in Fallen Gate.</p><p>Until we get another lore source, its just an unknown mystery.</p></blockquote><p>Hmm while its true we dont know exactly what caused the explosion we do know a beam of power from somewhere (assuming Norrath) hits Luclin and appears to tbe the catalyst that casued the massive explosion shattering Luclin into its current state.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p></blockquote><p>What we know in EQ2 Lore about Luclin is that pre-shattering/rending Solusek Ro and Rallos Zek had their minions invade the Nexus and shut it down. The entire spire network stopped working. In itself, this is rather strange because the network was active before Luclin's Nexus was created. But, you know, whatever, right? Also spotted at the time was a huge gem type device being carried by the minions that were invading.</p><p>Several decades later, Luclin explodes (i.e. the Shattering). Cause? Nobody on Norrath has any way to know because there was no communication with Luclin for decades. Maybe if we visit a Shard of Drunder, or a Shard of Flame we might discover records of what exactly went on there. Maybe Luclin herself could decend to Norrath and tell us the story. Maybe some written records could of survived in a large fragment of Luclin that impacted Norrath but survived relatively intact (ala large peice in Timmorous Deep). Maybe even the Nexus itself could of survived and we could have a ghostly replay of the events similar to the halfling ghost in Fallen Gate.</p><p>Until we get another lore source, its just an unknown mystery.</p></blockquote><p>If i remember correctly when the combine first went to Luclin they ended up being pulled underground to the large black rock that was there. You can see it under the nexus platform, it's all weird <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>And it was several hundred years, not decades, between when the Dresolisk Crystal was move into the Nexus, and when Luclin actually blew up.</p></blockquote><p>It was over 100 years, but less than 300. I don't count anything less than 300 in centuries.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p></blockquote><p>What we know in EQ2 Lore about Luclin is that pre-shattering/rending Solusek Ro and Rallos Zek had their minions invade the Nexus and shut it down. The entire spire network stopped working. In itself, this is rather strange because the network was active before Luclin's Nexus was created. But, you know, whatever, right? Also spotted at the time was a huge gem type device being carried by the minions that were invading.</p><p>Several decades later, Luclin explodes (i.e. the Shattering). Cause? Nobody on Norrath has any way to know because there was no communication with Luclin for decades. Maybe if we visit a Shard of Drunder, or a Shard of Flame we might discover records of what exactly went on there. Maybe Luclin herself could decend to Norrath and tell us the story. Maybe some written records could of survived in a large fragment of Luclin that impacted Norrath but survived relatively intact (ala large peice in Timmorous Deep). Maybe even the Nexus itself could of survived and we could have a ghostly replay of the events similar to the halfling ghost in Fallen Gate.</p><p>Until we get another lore source, its just an unknown mystery.</p></blockquote><p>Hmm while its true we dont know exactly what caused the explosion we do know a beam of power from somewhere (assuming Norrath) hits Luclin and appears to tbe the catalyst that casued the massive explosion shattering Luclin into its current state.</p></blockquote><p>Huh? We know there was a brillant light that struck one particular story teller/witness blind. Where are you getting the idea that a beam of energy struck Luclin? From what I could take of the shattering story, the beam most likely was the first weakpoint the explosion that cracked Luclin found, and the blinding flash was when the rest of the energy found a release on the Norrath side of Luclin.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We don't know exactly how yet, all we know is that it was our time dabbling that caused it (or allowed it to happen). </p><p>I don't think we know why it was destroyed in EQ2 either do we? Just soluseks minions went and took control and then it was gone?</p></blockquote><p>What we know in EQ2 Lore about Luclin is that pre-shattering/rending Solusek Ro and Rallos Zek had their minions invade the Nexus and shut it down. The entire spire network stopped working. In itself, this is rather strange because the network was active before Luclin's Nexus was created. But, you know, whatever, right? Also spotted at the time was a huge gem type device being carried by the minions that were invading.</p><p>Several decades later, Luclin explodes (i.e. the Shattering). Cause? Nobody on Norrath has any way to know because there was no communication with Luclin for decades. Maybe if we visit a Shard of Drunder, or a Shard of Flame we might discover records of what exactly went on there. Maybe Luclin herself could decend to Norrath and tell us the story. Maybe some written records could of survived in a large fragment of Luclin that impacted Norrath but survived relatively intact (ala large peice in Timmorous Deep). Maybe even the Nexus itself could of survived and we could have a ghostly replay of the events similar to the halfling ghost in Fallen Gate.</p><p>Until we get another lore source, its just an unknown mystery.</p></blockquote><p>Hmm while its true we dont know exactly what caused the explosion we do know a beam of power from somewhere (assuming Norrath) hits Luclin and appears to tbe the catalyst that casued the massive explosion shattering Luclin into its current state.</p></blockquote><p>Huh? We know there was a brillant light that struck one particular story teller/witness blind. Where are you getting the idea that a beam of energy struck Luclin? From what I could take of the shattering story, the beam most likely was the first weakpoint the explosion that cracked Luclin found, and the blinding flash was when the rest of the energy found a release on the Norrath side of Luclin.</p></blockquote><p>The New Tunarian Throne Room gives an animation after defeating Mayong that shows the reason prominent players like Lucan and Mayong were interested in Queen Lenya's visions of foresight. After the battle a crystal falls from her staff that is harvestable, after Mayong is defeated, the crystal goes in the headrest of the Throne showing the fate of Luclin and showing the shape of the Rune of sunder (if i remember right).</p><p>Heres a close view, when the animation completes Luclin is shattered into the pieces we know it as today.</p><p><img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x120/Rezikai_photos/EQ2_000846-1.jpg" /></p>

[Mirander_1]

<p>The beam is simply meant to show that the image of Luclin is being projected by the gem in the throne.  I don't believe it's meant to be interpreted as the cause of Luclin's destruction</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The beam is simply meant to show that the image of Luclin is being projected by the gem in the throne.  I don't believe it's meant to be interpreted as the cause of Luclin's destruction</p></blockquote><p>Eh i disagree there wouldnt be a need to show a beam if it was just a projection of the animation, because for the first few moments of the animation the moon sits there then the beam is launched into it.. and when it hits the explosion happens.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The beam is simply meant to show that the image of Luclin is being projected by the gem in the throne.  I don't believe it's meant to be interpreted as the cause of Luclin's destruction</p></blockquote><p>Eh i disagree there wouldnt be a need to show a beam if it was just a projection of the animation, because for the first few moments of the animation the moon sits there then the beam is launched into it.. and when it hits the explosion happens.</p></blockquote><p>That...just doesn't make any sense. What would project a beam to destroy Luclin? Veeshan would smite it. No idea what Kerafyrm would do, but I can imagine any dragon projecting a beam. While its possibly the Combine Spire in what we now know as Terran's Grasp that still leaves certain questions. Was it the spire that caused the destruction, or something transported with the spire? Was it an alteration of its magic?</p><p> It could also be that the destruction was caused by the Euradite's ritual that transformed the race. We have evidence to suggest that the transformation happened due to their actions to create the new Ulterian Spire system. Energy from that ritual could be naturally attracted to the same stone that acted as an anchor for teleportation magic to the Nexus. So you could have an overall linking of events where Luclin's destruction was the sign of the rune of sunder prophacy comming true, which was actually a highly visible sign of the Quellthulian ritual taking place which further enabled the Void Invasion and the release of Theer.</p><p>Hmm...it makes sense as long as the goddess Luclin wasn't around to prevent the destruction of her realm. Sol Ro and Rallos Zek could of sent their minions on a mission to capture Luclin decades before that to prevent her from ignoring the will of the councle of gods. Without her direct influence passage to Luclin may not be possible as it was farther out than the origional Combine to Luclin portal was made to handle. Or its possible that Luclin wanted her moon destroyed because it was overrun by Norrathians. Its really hard to say.</p>

[Sale]

<p>I don't think Luclin would of had wanted her moon destroyed, afterall it was her goal to get people there otherwise she wouldn't had shown it to the combine empire when they were thinking where to rebuild their empire at and she never cared much about the other god's business so . . . taking Meirril's point about the invading forces, it could also be possible she destroyed it because of the minions of Ro and zek in there or something /shrug</p><p>I still think it probably was the Quellithulian ritual deal that ended up in luclin's destruction.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Kerias wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't think Luclin would of had wanted her moon destroyed, afterall it was her goal to get people there otherwise she wouldn't had shown it to the combine empire when they were thinking where to rebuild their empire at and she never cared much about the other god's business so . . . taking Meirril's point about the invading forces, it could also be possible she destroyed it because of the minions of Ro and zek in there or something /shrug</p><p>I still think it probably was the Quellithulian ritual deal that ended up in luclin's destruction.</p></blockquote><p>Luclin's Veil was not able to conceil the moon from Norrath during the day of it's Full Moon cycle. It's not Luclin that wanted anyone to come to her moon. If she had it her way, NOBODY would know about it's existance, but for some never-explained reason, Luclin always became visible 1 day a month.</p>

[Zykdous]

<p>I thought it was already revealed at the very start of eq2 (prismatic timeline) that Luclin was destroyed by Kerafyrm. I took the event at the end of EoF (ray of light upon luclin) to be a display of the power of Kerafyrm, how he blew up Luclin. Am I wrong?</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Zykdous wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I thought it was already revealed at the very start of eq2 (prismatic timeline) that Luclin was destroyed by Kerafyrm. I took the event at the end of EoF (ray of light upon luclin) to be a display of the power of Kerafyrm, how he blew up Luclin. Am I wrong?</p></blockquote><p>There is strong evidence that leads to the beleif that Kerafyrm was behind the moons destruction but there is nothing concrete that says that he for sure was involved.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Yeah. Heavy suggestions, but no actual proof. Even some straight up lies, but no actual proof.</p>

[Liched]

<p><img src="http://image.alienware.com/images/prod_info_img/games/EverQuestSecretsFaydwer_v2.jpg" width="435" height="435" /></p>

[Compas]

<p>That theory that it was possibly the Erudites ritual to create a new spire system is actually rather interesting.  Since the we are unaware fo what teh actual goal of their "new nexus" was if it was to reactive the old one or to create a "new" one, the lore makes reference that the dark material in luclin had a natural draw/affitiy for teleportation magic if say when they activated their new nexus is pull that core right out of luclin I suspect the results would be rather catastrophic.</p><p>Do we have any timelines to compair when the erudites performed that ritual and the actual destruction of luclin to verify this theory?</p><p>Compas</p><p>80 Necromancer</p><p>Unrest</p>

[Sale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kerias wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't think Luclin would of had wanted her moon destroyed, afterall it was her goal to get people there otherwise she wouldn't had shown it to the combine empire when they were thinking where to rebuild their empire at and she never cared much about the other god's business so . . . taking Meirril's point about the invading forces, it could also be possible she destroyed it because of the minions of Ro and zek in there or something /shrug</p><p>I still think it probably was the Quellithulian ritual deal that ended up in luclin's destruction.</p></blockquote><p>Luclin's Veil was not able to conceil the moon from Norrath during the day of it's Full Moon cycle. It's not Luclin that wanted anyone to come to her moon. If she had it her way, NOBODY would know about it's existance, but for some never-explained reason, Luclin always became visible 1 day a month.</p></blockquote><p>Actually I think I read that somewhere ingame :S I use to live in Luclin soloing/trying to solo raidmobs from back then xp but I dont recall if it was from there or from Buried sea lore which wouldn't be canon anyway ... too tired to check tho ... so meh disregard it unless someone has read that too</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://image.alienware.com/images/prod_info_img/games/EverQuestSecretsFaydwer_v2.jpg" width="435" height="435" /></p></blockquote><p>Tinkered-dragon does not equal dragon.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Compas wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>That theory that it was possibly the Erudites ritual to create a new spire system is actually rather interesting.  Since the we are unaware fo what teh actual goal of their "new nexus" was if it was to reactive the old one or to create a "new" one, the lore makes reference that the dark material in luclin had a natural draw/affitiy for teleportation magic if say when they activated their new nexus is pull that core right out of luclin I suspect the results would be rather catastrophic.</p><p>Do we have any timelines to compair when the erudites performed that ritual and the actual destruction of luclin to verify this theory?</p><p>Compas</p><p>80 Necromancer</p><p>Unrest</p></blockquote><p>So far we have the books that are being produced for the upcomming expansion that are being revealed as a forum quest.</p><p>Timeline wise, its squiffy as to when they take place. Or at least I can't pin down any dates from what I remember.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://image.alienware.com/images/prod_info_img/games/EverQuestSecretsFaydwer_v2.jpg" width="435" height="435" /></p></blockquote><p>Ummm.. What are you trying to show us here?</p>

[Liched]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><img src="http://image.alienware.com/images/prod_info_img/games/EverQuestSecretsFaydwer_v2.jpg" width="435" height="435" /></p></blockquote><p>Ummm.. What are you trying to show us here?</p></blockquote><p>Err Kerafyrm with fricken-lazer-beams!</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>I rather clearly see the Clockwork Dragon.</p>

[Liched]

<p>Oops, i didn't think that was big bynn i never saw him fire big lasers like that, I thought after Kerafyrm the awakened was knocked out from the players meldrath would do some more medling to enhance him</p>

[Lodrelhai]

<p>The Kerra in Beggars Court who tells of her ancestors witnessing the Erudite's transformation indicates that it was several generations back.  The Shattering happened some 50 years back.  Unless Kerra generations are only 10-12 years apart, I'd say that the creation of the Erudite Nexus was not the cause of Luclin's destruction.</p>

[Coniaric]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kerias wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I don't think Luclin would of had wanted her moon destroyed, afterall it was her goal to get people there otherwise she wouldn't had shown it to the combine empire when they were thinking where to rebuild their empire at and she never cared much about the other god's business so . . . taking Meirril's point about the invading forces, it could also be possible she destroyed it because of the minions of Ro and zek in there or something /shrug</p><p>I still think it probably was the Quellithulian ritual deal that ended up in luclin's destruction.</p></blockquote><p>Luclin's Veil was not able to conceil the moon from Norrath during the day of it's Full Moon cycle. It's not Luclin that wanted anyone to come to her moon. If she had it her way, NOBODY would know about it's existance, but for some never-explained reason, Luclin always became visible 1 day a month.</p></blockquote><p>This dialogue indicated that the Luclin was permanently veiled for a while. It was from the Tome of Destiny: The Shattering. An portion here:</p><p><em>She stopped when she noticed the sky over the water begin to shimmer and grow brighter."What is that?" Sarven asked."Some kind of distortion is forming. Whatever it is, it's enormous."The flickering light coalesced. There, in the sky before them, was a round moon circled by an ephemeral ring."By the gods!" Tielya exclaimed. "Can that be Luclin?""I read about it growing up, but access to the moon was lost centuries ago. It was said to be hidden behind some kind of veil. Why would it be visible now?"As he spoke, the moon began to glow brighter. Lines of energy arced across its surface as if the entire sphere crackled with power.</em></p><p>The way Sarven spoke seemed to implies that Luclin was never visible during his lifetime. Also Tielya was a dark elf, she would have not been as surprised as she was, given her race's lifespan.</p><p>And so your comment about 1-month cycle may not happen here.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oops, i didn't think that was big bynn i never saw him fire big lasers like that, I thought after Kerafyrm the awakened was knocked out from the players meldrath would do some more medling to enhance him</p></blockquote><p>You might want to go find a picture or two of Kerafyrm. He's a white-ish gem-like material that makes light go all pristmatic (i.e. rainbows) when it hits him. He doesn't have a solid appearance at all. That would be the reason Kerafyrm is refered to as the Prismatic Dragon and you get Prismatic Weapons when you fight his former guardians.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote</cite></p><blockquote><p>Luclin's Veil was not able to conceil the moon from Norrath during the day of it's Full Moon cycle. It's not Luclin that wanted anyone to come to her moon. If she had it her way, NOBODY would know about it's existance, but for some never-explained reason, Luclin always became visible 1 day a month.</p></blockquote><p>This dialogue indicated that the Luclin was permanently veiled for a while. It was from the Tome of Destiny: The Shattering. An portion here:</p><p><em>She stopped when she noticed the sky over the water begin to shimmer and grow brighter."What is that?" Sarven asked."Some kind of distortion is forming. Whatever it is, it's enormous."The flickering light coalesced. There, in the sky before them, was a round moon circled by an ephemeral ring."By the gods!" Tielya exclaimed. "Can that be Luclin?""I read about it growing up, but access to the moon was lost centuries ago. It was said to be hidden behind some kind of veil. Why would it be visible now?"As he spoke, the moon began to glow brighter. Lines of energy arced across its surface as if the entire sphere crackled with power.</em></p><p>The way Sarven spoke seemed to implies that Luclin was never visible during his lifetime. Also Tielya was a dark elf, she would have not been as surprised as she was, given her race's lifespan.</p><p>And so your comment about 1-month cycle may not happen here.</p></blockquote><p>From the original Shadows of Luclin instruction booklet:</p><hr /><p>"Lcea brought the brightest minds of the loyalist together to decide on their grim future. Their situation on Norrath was precarious and any hopes of rebuilding here were dsahed while all the fighting was occuring.</p><p>Gathered in a room together, exhausted by debate, they glanced, as one, upward through the darkness. There, high in the evening sky, was the<span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong> familiar </strong></span>sight of Luclin. But something was different about the moon this evening. It shone more brightly and with more detail than ever before. The rings wrapped the moon in fire as the waning sunlight pierced them. Beyond the rings, Lcea and others could see blurry cloud formations and sparkling reflections that hinted at bodies of water.</p><p>Lcea stood up and raised her hand to the moon. "That is where we will rebuild."</p><p>And so it was decreed that Luclin would be the new home of the Loyalists. The Combine already possessed vast knowledge of teleportation. Using this knowledge on a grander scale would be the solution to their problem.</p><p>All they had to do was wait. In a few months, Luclin would pass directly over the largest Combine spire located in Kunark, providing both the focus and the timing needed to complete this mystical feat."</p><hr /><p>Hmm.. alright then. I always thought this story stated how the veil worked, but I suppose not. However, I am now convinced that either the Combine Empire regularly saw Luclin beyond it's veil on a regular basis, or that the veil didn't even exist, and that Luclin was ALWAYS visible up until some point in time. However, Luclin's own backstory states that she claimed the moon for her own while the other gods bickered amongst themselves as to what races would control what parts of Norrath. She immediately cast the veil to hide the moon from everyone to see.</p><p>I don't know about you guys, but I think we have a conflict in two official stories written by the same developing team. :/</p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

<p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Oops, i didn't think that was big bynn i never saw him fire big lasers like that, I thought after Kerafyrm the awakened was knocked out from the players meldrath would do some more medling to enhance him</p></blockquote><p>It's probably Big Bynn, after all the fine tuning the players (in)advertantly help with. Let Tinkerton get the right balance of crystals in him and he could very well be that Big Frickin Laser Beam shooting dragon we see on the SoF cover art. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[RaphaNissi]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote</cite></p><blockquote><p>Luclin's Veil was not able to conceil the moon from Norrath during the day of it's Full Moon cycle. It's not Luclin that wanted anyone to come to her moon. If she had it her way, NOBODY would know about it's existance, but for some never-explained reason, Luclin always became visible 1 day a month.</p></blockquote><p>This dialogue indicated that the Luclin was permanently veiled for a while. It was from the Tome of Destiny: The Shattering. An portion here:</p><p><em>She stopped when she noticed the sky over the water begin to shimmer and grow brighter."What is that?" Sarven asked."Some kind of distortion is forming. Whatever it is, it's enormous."The flickering light coalesced. There, in the sky before them, was a round moon circled by an ephemeral ring."By the gods!" Tielya exclaimed. "Can that be Luclin?""I read about it growing up, but access to the moon was lost centuries ago. It was said to be hidden behind some kind of veil. Why would it be visible now?"As he spoke, the moon began to glow brighter. Lines of energy arced across its surface as if the entire sphere crackled with power.</em></p><p>The way Sarven spoke seemed to implies that Luclin was never visible during his lifetime. Also Tielya was a dark elf, she would have not been as surprised as she was, given her race's lifespan.</p><p>And so your comment about 1-month cycle may not happen here.</p></blockquote><p>From the original Shadows of Luclin instruction booklet:</p><hr /><p>"Lcea brought the brightest minds of the loyalist together to decide on their grim future. Their situation on Norrath was precarious and any hopes of rebuilding here were dsahed while all the fighting was occuring.</p><p>Gathered in a room together, exhausted by debate, they glanced, as one, upward through the darkness. There, high in the evening sky, was the<span style="color: #3366ff;"><strong> familiar </strong></span>sight of Luclin. But something was different about the moon this evening. It shone more brightly and with more detail than ever before. The rings wrapped the moon in fire as the waning sunlight pierced them. Beyond the rings, Lcea and others could see blurry cloud formations and sparkling reflections that hinted at bodies of water.</p><p>Lcea stood up and raised her hand to the moon. "That is where we will rebuild."</p><p>And so it was decreed that Luclin would be the new home of the Loyalists. The Combine already possessed vast knowledge of teleportation. Using this knowledge on a grander scale would be the solution to their problem.</p><p>All they had to do was wait. In a few months, Luclin would pass directly over the largest Combine spire located in Kunark, providing both the focus and the timing needed to complete this mystical feat."</p><hr /><p>Hmm.. alright then. I always thought this story stated how the veil worked, but I suppose not. However, I am now convinced that either the Combine Empire regularly saw Luclin beyond it's veil on a regular basis, or that the veil didn't even exist, and that Luclin was ALWAYS visible up until some point in time. However, Luclin's own backstory states that she claimed the moon for her own while the other gods bickered amongst themselves as to what races would control what parts of Norrath. She immediately cast the veil to hide the moon from everyone to see.</p><p>I don't know about you guys, but I think we have a conflict in two official stories written by the same developing team. :/</p></blockquote><p>In an attempt to comment on this I was doing some searching on the original "veil" that was over Luclin that Cusa is talking about.  I can't find any evidence of it.  Even the story about the Combine Empire seeing the moon suggests it was visible often.  Maybe just a confusion with the veil that is talked about in the Tome of Destiny?  Any evidence would be great.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Well, on the night that the Plane of Sky opened in the game, you could clearly see Drinal, Luclin, Anbeal, Trorsmang, and Cordain in the night sky. They were visible to see everywhere, but then they disappeared. When more information about Drinal and the other planets opened up over the next couple years, we learned on the message boards and such that Luclin had cast a magic veil over her moon to hide it from others.</p><p>Sadly at this point in time, I cannot find an official source that talks about the Veil of Shadows, but if you do a google search for Luclin's Veil, you'll see many sites talking about it from a retail point of view, saying it's part of the description and background of the expansion itself that Luclin lifted her Veil for Norrath to see.</p><p>I also don't have access to my normal computer with all my EQ2 websites and such right now either.</p>

[Greyquill]

<p>I do vaguely remember the build-up to Luclin's expansion back in EQ1. Honestly, more people were interested in the upgraded graphics engine, new race, and that certain class that shall remain nameless... than in the why's and wherefors of the moon itself. I seem to remember mention of the "veil" having been lifted from Luclin somewhere in the promotional materials. Which doesn't exactly jive with what we know about the waves of colonization to the moon. Common sense sort of dictates that the Shissar and the Combine were familiar enough with their target when they teleported there to have been surprised when they ended up in the Nexus instead of the surface. Not to mention the nod the lunar holocaust recieved on the Chelsith Stone. So, either Luclin was clearly visible all the time or it made monthly appearances... enough that these cultures were very familiar with it's location and properties. We do know that after the Nexus is invaded, the veil is restored. Luclin completely vanishes from Norrathian skies until that fateful night, recorded in the Tome of Destiny, when those unlucky lovers see the moon restored before it explodes. Blinding the dark elven woman in it's sheer violence.</p><p>Prehistory - Combine Era : Luclin is either entirely visible or makes monthly visits in the sky (Introduction to Luclin of the remnant Shissar Empire, Kerrans/Vashir, Combine Factions)</p><p>Post-Combine - Shadows of Luclin : The moon is a no-show (Veil re/established(?) by the goddess to prevent further incursion?)</p><p>Shadows of Luclin - EQ2's Nexus Invasion: Moon is fully visible all the time (Battle of the Nexus fought. Survivors watch in horror from Norrathian Spires as the moon vanishes. Caller Scions unable to reestablish translocation to the Nexus. Spires eventually abandoned)</p><p>Invasion - Shattering: Moon is gone only to reappear moments prior to its destruction (Luclin's been absent from the skies above Norrath for roughly 500 years. More than enough time to become a thing of legend, rumor, and speculation to all but the most long-lived of races)</p><p>What I find interesting is that the Siege happens roughly in tandem with the god's departure from Norrath. Was the departure of its patron ultimately Luclin's undoing?</p>

[Foolsfolly]

<p>So Luclin is gone in eq1 now? That makes Folly sad =[</p>

[Meirril]

<p>I seem to remember some lore from Greig's End that indicates that Luclin lifted the veil at specific times to allow certain immigrations. Basically, nothing entered Luclin against her will. The Combine Empire was "tricked" into comming to Luclin and once there the moon was moved out of range for the Spires in Kunark. Greig tried to build a new teleportation device to make round trips to Norrath, but Luclin thwarted his initial attempts, and then eventually trapped him and drove him mad to prevent him from working on his teleportation devices further.</p><p>Its fairly safe to say the Shissar were not drawn to the Nexus. It appears that they were able to teleport the entire pyramid they occupy in tact from Kunark to The Grey. Knowing about the Chelsith Stone and the Shissar Calendar, you'd think it strange they would choose to occupy the symbol of the sundering. Though, it could be they had an incomplete understanding of the Rune of Sunder. Also as an aside, the Shissar were in a unique position to survive the Shattering. As long as their pyramid and associated tunnels remained in tact, the rest of the devistation around them wouldn't harm them. The Shissar lived in a self-contained environment to prevent the Greenmist from being used against them. I don't know if Luclin exists in a vaccume now, but even if it didn't the atmosphere would of carried dust and heat with it. The Shissar in their complex were probably the best protected beings on the moon.</p><p>Strangely, if SoE wanted to do a Luclin expansion they've got a lot of the artwork style done already. Large floating masses of rock floating in and out of strange magical fields sounds an awful lot like a lot of the artwork done for the void. While Luclin didn't have a huge population of flying creatures it did have some. Also while the Combine didn't employ teleporters for travel, its possible that they could of revived that old magic once the landscape blew up. So you could have flying posts, clouds, or even short range teleporters in use to get from island to island.</p><p>The main question to ask is would the developers really want to revisit this story? Only time will tell. Personally, I wouldn't mind if they never did. My dreams are for Vellious, stepped in glory and ice...</p>

[Cyliena]

<p><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So Luclin is gone in eq1 now? That makes Folly sad =[</p></blockquote><p>No... Luclin is still there. It's temporary destroyed in their alternate time line for SoD, but you fix it as you grind out missions, yadda yadda. That story has no effect on the actual Luclin in EQ, though.</p><p>This is Kerafyrm:</p><p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id6463.png" width="697" height="536" /></p><p>Which most of you seemed to know anyways. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> However, <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=29646" target="_blank">Kerafyrm the Awakened</a> does exist in the raid zone version of Crystallos during the Secrets of Faydwer expansion. The color from the cover art is wrong, but the body shape is right.. so it may very well be the Awakened version. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Now I apologize for further de-railing this thread. I don't believe Kerafrym was at all the reason for Luclin's destruction; that cover art merely shows a dragon spewing out a stream of fire. *shrug* From that screenshot about the animation after slaying Mayong, I also think the beam of light is to display the projection of the scene (but I can understand viewing it as a beam of light destroying it).</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>The dragon on the cover art very clearly has a mechanical leg though.</p>

[Cyliena]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The dragon on the cover art very clearly has a mechanical leg though.</p></blockquote><p>I agree with that. One of the big antaganizors of SoF was Meldrath, so it is most likely one of his creations (couldn't find any references to him creating a dragon, though I wouldn't doubt him using Kerafyrm as a model to make one of his own). And absolutely nothing in SoF refers to Luclin. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>My ultimate hope on eq2 is to be able to visit Luclin again one day.</p>

[Sale]

<p>That dragon is Big Bynn</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=27536" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s....shtml?id=27536</a></p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

And the Combine on Luclin did make use of Teleportation. Not so sure about Sanctus Seru, but in Katta Castellum , there are a few teleporters around there (specifically one sigil in the moat you can use to jump back to the top of the wall, and I believe one or two others). And it's post-PoP, but Katta Castrum(or is it the other way around?) the Combine city under the Buried Sea uses teleporter pads to move around the city and to go to the other domes as well. (There are some quests you can do to let you use the teleporters)