Do the points u earn for achievements actually do anything?

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>Just wondering if the accumulated points are there for any reason other than looking nice?</p>

[theriatis]

<p>Hi,</p><p>yes. Till now i got: Several Armor Sets (just for the look), a portal to Ferzhul, a portal to Mara...I think there's a bunch of stuff more out there. If there's a list, i would be happy to know <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>What made me unhappy was that i finished every Discovery and... nothing. I expected something...(a title, or a small house item like a map or appearance thingie like boots with wings would have been nice).</p><p>Regards, theriatis.</p>

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>Sorry, yes I know about the few bits of armour and so on but I'm wondering if the accumulated points score that shows on the top right of the achievements screen can actually be used for anything at present or in the future?</p><p>Just wondering really, no beef either way.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>nope, its just to keep score, like the amout of compleated quests you have done kind of thing. no other benafit other then cosmetic/show off kind of thing.</p>

[Alienor]

<p><cite>theriatis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yes. Till now i got: Several Armor Sets (just for the look), a portal to Ferzhul, a portal to Mara...</p></blockquote><p>How do I get these?</p>

[Guy De Alsace]

<p><cite>Alienor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>theriatis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yes. Till now i got: Several Armor Sets (just for the look), a portal to Ferzhul, a portal to Mara...</p></blockquote><p>How do I get these?</p></blockquote><p>A couple of the achievements award things like this. Click through em all to see which. I got a decent looking robe for one of them. I think only the Palace of Ferzhul one is what people are really wanting though.</p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p><cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just wondering if the accumulated points are there for any reason other than looking nice?</p></blockquote><p>It's just another [Removed for Content] measurement.</p>

[Dunce123]

<p><cite>theriatis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think there's a bunch of stuff more out there. If there's a list, i would be happy to know <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>This site has the best list of have seen so far of all the Achievements and rewards. Just click though the Achievements to see what ones give rewards.</p><p><a href="http://achievements.xalmat.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://achievements.xalmat.com/</a></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alienor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>theriatis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>yes. Till now i got: Several Armor Sets (just for the look), a portal to Ferzhul, a portal to Mara...</p></blockquote><p>How do I get these?</p></blockquote><p>A couple of the achievements award things like this. Click through em all to see which. I got a decent looking robe for one of them. I think only the Palace of Ferzhul one is what people are really wanting though.</p></blockquote><p>Which just happens to be one of the hardest to complete, since you pretty much need to have already been inside Ferzul many times and beaten the zone completely already.</p>

[Yimway]

<p><cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Just wondering if the accumulated points are there for any reason other than looking nice?</p></blockquote><p>They've pretty much stated the points will never do anything meaningful.  They exist just to exist.  Sort of like that Drew Carey comedy show, each round the points double, but they don't matter.</p>

[interstellarmatter]

<p>If the achievements become like WoW, you'll have to show your achievements in order to get into groups/raids.  Over there, many groups require you to prove that you've done the raid/heroic dungeon before letting you into them. </p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If the achievements become like WoW, you'll have to show your achievements in order to get into groups/raids.  Over there, many groups require you to prove that you've done the raid/heroic dungeon before letting you into them. </p></blockquote><p>I can totally see that happening.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>i cant, others cant even see what specific achivements you have done.</p><p>and people really base group worth off of stuff like this? thats kind of sad....</p>

[Alienor]

It is already happening. Groups are looking for ", who has done the dungeon before/knows the encounter". Admitted, it is currently only for PoF.

[shadowscale]

<p>PoF?</p><p>darn it, at this rate im never going to get varsoon</p>

[Miss_Jackie]

<p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i cant, others cant even see what specific achivements you have done.</p><p>and people really base group worth off of stuff like this? thats kind of sad....</p></blockquote><p>Actually you can.. I was able to see a guildmates achievements just by insepcting him.</p>

[Vraeth]

<p><cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i cant, others cant even see what specific achivements you have done.</p><p>and people really base group worth off of stuff like this? thats kind of sad....</p></blockquote><p>Actually you can.. I was able to see a guildmates achievements just by insepcting him.</p></blockquote><p>question is to be able to see <strong>specific</strong> achievements, not just scores. other than their last 10 achievements you cant tell if they killed X mob or done Y amount of quests</p>

[Kigneer]

<p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If the achievements become like WoW, you'll have to show your achievements in order to get into groups/raids.  Over there, many groups require you to prove that you've done the raid/heroic dungeon before letting you into them. </p></blockquote><p>I can totally see that happening.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, and narrowing the field of players in the meantime, where some servers don't have the population to be as picky.</p><p>So we'll have race, class, gear and now achievement roadblocks.</p>

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>This has been happening for a while with PU's specifically stating "must know zone" "must know encounters" and "Must have Myth" pretty much all the time.</p><p>I cant remember the last time I saw a WoE pickup that didnt ask for T2 and Myth only even though its doable without either.</p><p>If you've been slow or are a new lvl 80 you're stuffed unless you can find a good guild that actively helps new players.</p>

[Rothgar]

<p><cite>Kigneer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If the achievements become like WoW, you'll have to show your achievements in order to get into groups/raids.  Over there, many groups require you to prove that you've done the raid/heroic dungeon before letting you into them. </p></blockquote><p>I can totally see that happening.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, and narrowing the field of players in the meantime, where some servers don't have the population to be as picky.</p><p>So we'll have race, class, gear and now achievement roadblocks.</p></blockquote><p>Its never going to happen because you have the ability to hide your achievements from others under the Persona window.  If you don't want people to know what you've done, or not done, you can turn them off.</p><p>Persona (P) -> Options Tab -> Privacy -> Hide Achievements</p>

[Anestacia]

<p>In this circumstance, hiding them is not the issue.  What others are saying is that before a group will accept you they will ask to see your achievements before they let you join them.  A lot like the Mythical/T2 requirements we are seeing more and more of everyday.  Now, I have quite a few achievements completed but the first person that made that a requirement to join a group, I would laugh and decline right there.  Thats not the type of player I want to play with.  Like now, if I am asked if I have my mythical, T2 or better and my endlines to join a non Palace/Guk group, I just tell them no thanks...even though I have all 3 above things on my 4 main characters that I play, I just think its ridiculus from the players perspective to require all that for zones that really dont need it (which is almost all zones).  All that, however, doesnt change the fact that this happens and I just really hope this is yet another "requirement" to group.</p>

[Malacha]

<p>Dev's cannot control how people choose to form groups. If you don't want to group with people who require certain things, you don't have to. But they don't want to group with people who cannot complete the zone (thus wasting their time) and so they have every right to ask for certain requirements. You certainly cannot blame the dev's for adding in a cool new system that people happen to use as a measuring tape.</p>

[erin]

<p><cite>Malachani wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dev's cannot control how people choose to form groups. If you don't want to group with people who require certain things, you don't have to. But they don't want to group with people who cannot complete the zone (thus wasting their time) and so they have every right to ask for certain requirements. You certainly cannot blame the dev's for adding in a cool new system that people happen to use as a measuring tape.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed.  They could as easily test your knowledge.  Oh so you say you've done Zone HardasNails?  How did you do on Mob Fred?  Oh you did well did you, well I just made that up, so your a liar, your out.  I occasionally see a group asking for mythicals, but its just not a common thing.  Nor do I believe this sort of thing will be either.</p><p>People who play EQ2 seem to have some obsessive personality traits, and the devs are simply feeding that.  How many of your guildmates are going crazy through old content to get the achievements that mean nothing, give no rewards?  For me, its quite a few (myself included).  The devs are catering to their player base, you can't fault them for that!</p>

[Anestacia]

<p><cite>Malachani wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Dev's cannot control how people choose to form groups. If you don't want to group with people who require certain things, you don't have to. But they don't want to group with people who cannot complete the zone (thus wasting their time) and so they have every right to ask for certain requirements. You certainly cannot blame the dev's for adding in a cool new system that people happen to use as a measuring tape.</p></blockquote><p>No they cant control it but imo if you want a group that "doesnt waste your time" then one should do an all guild group.  If you are going outside of the guild because you dont have enough people to fill your slots then you should be less picky.  How is an individual supposed to ever beat X zone if no one ever invites them to a group in order to give them a chance to?</p>

[Lleren]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kigneer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If the achievements become like WoW, you'll have to show your achievements in order to get into groups/raids.  Over there, many groups require you to prove that you've done the raid/heroic dungeon before letting you into them. </p></blockquote><p>I can totally see that happening.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, and narrowing the field of players in the meantime, where some servers don't have the population to be as picky.</p><p>So we'll have race, class, gear and now achievement roadblocks.</p></blockquote><p>Its never going to happen because you have the ability to hide your achievements from others under the Persona window.  If you don't want people to know what you've done, or not done, you can turn them off.</p><p>Persona (P) -> Options Tab -> Privacy -> Hide Achievements</p></blockquote><p>Not showing will be read as not having, and therefore ineligible.</p><p>Then again snce the achievements are for killing the end mob, its not as likely to happen in the TSO expansion.</p>

[Thaelar]

<p>I played WoW for a while and never saw what you are claiming with their achievement system. Maybe it happened on your server, I don't know, but I can't see how the devs are going to stop stupid people from being elitest a-holes. They do it now requiring people to have their myth and T2-3 gear before they even allow them to go on Daily Double runs or regular shard groups. People who are idiots who can't play their class will always come up with some reason to exclude others from their group because they suck so bad they need the rest of their group to be 10x over-geared to keep them alive. In the case of what you are talking about, it's probably people who don't know the zone requiring everyone else to make up for their own ignorance.</p>

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>I cant see the achievement system being used in this way personally because it was implemented unreliably in the first place for everyone, which I dont blame devs for, its just the way the game records things.</p><p>Hopefully groups will start to get less picky as players migrate to Aion or stop playing altogether and they cant fill spots. I'm actually having fun doing these achievements even though they dont really mean a huge deal. Which, I suppose, is the point of them in the first place <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[erin]

<p><cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I cant see the achievement system being used in this way personally because it was implemented unreliably in the first place for everyone, which I dont blame devs for, its just the way the game records things.</p><p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Hopefully groups will start to get less picky </strong></span>as players migrate to Aion or stop playing altogether and they cant fill spots. I'm actually having fun doing these achievements even though they dont really mean a huge deal. Which, I suppose, is the point of them in the first place <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>They really aren't all that picky now, other than wanting specific classes that they don't already have in the group.</p><p>I truly honestly believe that people that encounter these "elitists" are making a mountain out of a molehill.  Do they exist?  Sure.  Are they the minority?  Absolutely.</p>

[Mystfit]

<p>My current opinion on the idea people will insist on certain acheivemtns for grouping... is *screenshots or it didn't happen*. I can not fathom someone using acheivements as a means to set up groups. And if it does happen, /wave, I'm not the least bit sorry not to be in your group.</p>

[Guy De Alsace]

<p><cite>erin wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Guy De Alsace wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I cant see the achievement system being used in this way personally because it was implemented unreliably in the first place for everyone, which I dont blame devs for, its just the way the game records things.</p><p><span style="font-size: small;"><strong>Hopefully groups will start to get less picky </strong></span>as players migrate to Aion or stop playing altogether and they cant fill spots. I'm actually having fun doing these achievements even though they dont really mean a huge deal. Which, I suppose, is the point of them in the first place <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>They really aren't all that picky now, other than wanting specific classes that they don't already have in the group.</p><p>I truly honestly believe that people that encounter these "elitists" are making a mountain out of a molehill.  Do they exist?  Sure.  Are they the minority?  Absolutely.</p></blockquote><p>Obviously it will vary on a per server basis but I'm seeing this on around 75% of WoE pickup calls and all of PoF ones. Getting into a PoF group is very hard unless you have done the zone a lot.</p>

[Xao June]

<p><cite>Alienor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>It is already happening. Groups are looking for ", who has done the dungeon before/knows the encounter". Admitted, it is currently only for PoF.</blockquote><p>A lot of people were only taking people in that have done it before anyway.</p><p>All the achievement system did is give them a way to verify they have done it, although its not foolproof, as I know people that first did Varsoon with 200 AAs, and it doesn't account for people that know the encounter but are on alts.</p>

[Rheem]

<p>Personally I don't see this being used to measure people like gear is, because what raids you did in T7 and dungeons you did while a lowbie have no impact on your progression in T8.</p>

[SlyAtregon]

<p>You can't really blame people wanting experienced POF players. Its a long zone to fail on the last guy because you are underequipped or inexperienced.  Its not exactly Deep Forge.</p>

[Kizee]

<p><cite>SlyAtregon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>You can't really blame people wanting experienced POF players. Its a long zone to fail on the last guy because you are underequipped or inexperienced.  Its not exactly Deep Forge.</p></blockquote><p>45mins-1 hour is long?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /> </p><p>The zone isn't overly tough but if you get people that don't pay attention you will never get past Varsoon.</p><p> Achievements won't make those people a better player so I don't see them being a benchmark for getting into groups.</p>

[Deveryn]

<p>Achievements are almost as bad a benchmark as mythicals. There are plenty of bad players that run into some good luck and vice versa.</p>

[CoLD MeTaL]

<p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kigneer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If the achievements become like WoW, you'll have to show your achievements in order to get into groups/raids.  Over there, many groups require you to prove that you've done the raid/heroic dungeon before letting you into them. </p></blockquote><p>I can totally see that happening.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, and narrowing the field of players in the meantime, where some servers don't have the population to be as picky.</p><p>So we'll have race, class, gear and now achievement roadblocks.</p></blockquote><p>Its never going to happen because you have the ability to hide your achievements from others under the Persona window.  If you don't want people to know what you've done, or not done, you can turn them off.</p><p>Persona (P) -> Options Tab -> Privacy -> Hide Achievements</p></blockquote><p>Hiding achievements is the exact same as not doing them, because people will assume that if you have them hidden it's because you haven't done them.  You guys do play the game sometimes too yeah?</p>

[Morghus]

<p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Rothgar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Kigneer wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>CoLD MeTaL wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If the achievements become like WoW, you'll have to show your achievements in order to get into groups/raids.  Over there, many groups require you to prove that you've done the raid/heroic dungeon before letting you into them. </p></blockquote><p>I can totally see that happening.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, and narrowing the field of players in the meantime, where some servers don't have the population to be as picky.</p><p>So we'll have race, class, gear and now achievement roadblocks.</p></blockquote><p>Its never going to happen because you have the ability to hide your achievements from others under the Persona window.  If you don't want people to know what you've done, or not done, you can turn them off.</p><p>Persona (P) -> Options Tab -> Privacy -> Hide Achievements</p></blockquote><p>Hiding achievements is the exact same as not doing them, because people will assume that if you have them hidden it's because you haven't done them.  You guys do play the game sometimes too yeah?</p></blockquote><p>But you could have tons of achievements that literally take little to no effort to obtain just to make yourself look good and it would prove nothing since there is no way to see what specific ones you have in fact unlocked. Having cleared previous tier raids for example doesnt hold much weight in deciding if you can complete current content like Palace of Ferzhul for example.</p>

[Obadiah]

<p><cite>Xao June wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Alienor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>It is already happening. Groups are looking for ", who has done the dungeon before/knows the encounter". Admitted, it is currently only for PoF.</blockquote><p>A lot of people were only taking people in that have done it before anyway.</p><p>All the achievement system did is give them a way to verify they have done it, although its not foolproof, as I know people that first did Varsoon with 200 AAs, and <span style="font-size: small;"><strong>it doesn't account for people that know the encounter but are on alts.</strong></span></p></blockquote><p>This is why this whole discussion about only accepting people who have compelted specific achievements is pointless and asinine. My Troubador has something like 700 points (slightly less, actually, but I want to make him sound more bettererer) but that doesn't mean *I* haven't finished every encounter in the game.</p><p>If talking with a groupmate whether in voice or text chat it takes a lot less time to ASK A QUESTION than it does to examine the person and peruse their achievements to see if THAT TOON has completed XYZ. And you CAN'T examine a potential groupmate who is not in zone. Anyone using the passive-aggressive method to check credentials is a likely a [Removed for Content] with the social skills of a newt and you wouldn't want to go to PoF with them at any rate.</p>