Stormhold Knights - who wre they ?

[Verrie77]

<p>Who were these ppl...im often down in Stormhold..i love the place. And I keep wondering who those knights were.I wish there was an option to view a small animation of what stormhold looked like when it was well and alive.</p><p>Iv picked the ones I think were knights / paladins.</p><p>* Defiled Lord Byron ( he is the only one with very diffrent armor, was he special ? )* Squire Gregor* Lord Andros* Watch Captain Gylar* Defiled Lord Reinhold* Lord Benfield* Lord Dyana* Defiled Lord Garinok* Guard Captain Hess* Defiled Lord SteinGrove* Defiled Lord Penwright* Locksmith Jarl* Blacksmith Brigg</p><p>* Battlepriest Alexandria* Battlepriest Greyhorn* Marksman Trainer Quintos</p><p>* Runethar Hanest</p><p>Wasnt there one mobs of Lady Chessgard too ?..her placeholders were her handmaidens? or am I thinkingabout this place to much that im imagening things <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>They are just knights who unfortunately fell to the curse of the Bone Bladed Claymore after the Knights of Thunder built Stormhold.</p><p>They may be named, but thats really all there is about them. They dont really have a personal backstory.</p>

[Verrie77]

<p>Awww <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Verrie77 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Who were these ppl...im often down in Stormhold..i love the place. And I keep wondering who those knights were.I wish there was an option to view a small animation of what stormhold looked like when it was well and alive.</p><p>Iv picked the ones I think were knights / paladins.</p><p>* Defiled Lord Byron ( he is the only one with very diffrent armor, was he special ? )* Squire Gregor* Lord Andros* Watch Captain Gylar* Defiled Lord Reinhold* Lord Benfield* Lord Dyana* Defiled Lord Garinok* Guard Captain Hess* Defiled Lord SteinGrove* Defiled Lord Penwright* Locksmith Jarl* Blacksmith Brigg</p><p>* Battlepriest Alexandria* Battlepriest Greyhorn* Marksman Trainer Quintos</p><p>* Runethar Hanest</p><p>Wasnt there one mobs of Lady Chessgard too ?..her placeholders were her handmaidens? or am I thinkingabout this place to much that im imagening things <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Eh my memory is hazy since its been years since i've been in there but i think Lady Chessguard is the wife of Lord Chessguard, and if memory serves he was the knight who went into Befallen and retrieved the BBC to bring it back to Stormhold...eh iirc.</p>

[Arathy]

<p><span >Cusashorn said they aren't important. It must be true.</span></p>

[betatester7]

<p>lol,</p><p>/enddiscussion</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Arathyen@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Cusashorn said they aren't important. It must be true.</span></p></blockquote><p>And you're putting words in my mouth.</p><p>A few of them like Lord Byron have some quest dialogue related to them, but for the most part, these named knights are nameless nobodies as far as what the game tells us. I'm just saying...</p>

[Luag]

<p>lord byron was changed relatively recently, as he spawned infrequently and was needed for a quest, when he spawned before that change he was much more mundane looking, the new armor seems to me to have just been a lark</p>

[ke'la]

<p>Also just because they don't currently have any real backstory, other then being Knights of Thunder, who have fallen under the BBC curse, does not mean they won't get one as some point in the future.</p><p>Remember the whole lore of Stormhold is lore bending to get a second dungon in Antonica, it was originally going to be Befallen.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>Yes, there was a Lady Chessguard. You get pages from her diary from her Handmaidens you kill. I don't think there is an actual Lady Chessguard mob.</p><p>I'm a little confused. Is the cures in Stormhold just from the Bone-Bladed Claymoor being present, or was this a spreading of the Befallen Curse that also came with Lord Chessguard when he retrieved the BBC? I know according to the story Lord Chessguard was so obsessed with Befallen that he actually modeled Stormhold after Befallen (the in-game excuse for moving the befallen zone from commonlands to antonica which was done during beta). I wasn't under the impression that the BBC itself was...er...well actually it is cursed but I thought that Stormhold itself was linked in a more direct way to the Befallen curse?</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yes, there was a Lady Chessguard. You get pages from her diary from her Handmaidens you kill. I don't think there is an actual Lady Chessguard mob.</p><p>I'm a little confused. Is the cures in Stormhold just from the Bone-Bladed Claymoor being present, or was this a spreading of the Befallen Curse that also came with Lord Chessguard when he retrieved the BBC? I know according to the story Lord Chessguard was so obsessed with Befallen that he actually modeled Stormhold after Befallen (the in-game excuse for moving the befallen zone from commonlands to antonica which was done during beta). I wasn't under the impression that the BBC itself was...er...well actually it is cursed but I thought that Stormhold itself was linked in a more direct way to the Befallen curse?</p></blockquote><p>I believe it was the BBC that drove his obsession with Befallen and it was the sword itself the caused Stormhold to be built as a carbon copy of Befallen.</p><p>There are hints from the devs that there is more to the story then that, but as far as in-game lore is conserned I believe that is all we got for now.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p>I believe it was the BBC that drove his obsession with Befallen and it was the sword itself the caused Stormhold to be built as a carbon copy of Befallen.</p><p><span><p>There are hints from the devs that there is more to the story then that, but as far as in-game lore is conserned I believe that is all we got for now.</p></span></p><hr /><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Hmm if Lord Chesguard Sydwen did indeed try to copy Befallen in every way even in obtaining the tools that cursed it such as the BBC, one would think he would also have been searching for the Necromatic tomes of the Burning Dead.</p><p>These were the black books of dark arts and rituals Gynok Moltor had with him when he fled Qeynos and traveled through the foothills into the Commonlands. A few of us were told that Gynok had been cursed before Opalla yalped, from having her hand cut off, which we assume was done by the BBC.</p><p>A theory we tossed around recently is that the necromatic tomes somehow cursed, possibly with the dark spirit of the old Dread Exarch or maybe the Dread Exarch was still live back then had cursed him for taking them (idr if the "old" Dread Exarch was alive or not at the time Gynok acquired them), before the Opalla incident, and it excellerated/enhanced his own madness.</p><p>I dont remember the original Dread Exarch's name (have to look it up), but the one in the Necrotic Asylum now isn't the same name, possibly a later pupil to take the leadership role of the Burning Dead.</p><p>a footnote to the story is this</p><p><img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x120/Rezikai_photos/EQ2_001580-1-1.jpg" /></p><p>While raiding the Tombs of the Made Crusader, some friends from the befallen.lore channel saw this and translated it.</p><p>We dug around and found some lore from LoN that said the BBC was created from the femur of a Broken skull Troll that was slain by a Ykehsan Troll, and Ykesha himself blessed the blade, this made me think back to EQ1's befallen and a troll SK in befallen, wasnt he the one that dropped the BBC in that game?</p>

[zerfall]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We dug around and found some lore from LoN that said the BBC was created from the femur of a Broken skull Troll that was slain by a Ykehsan Troll, and Ykesha himself blessed the blade, this made me think back to EQ1's befallen and a troll SK in befallen, wasnt he the one that dropped the BBC in that game?</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=403" target="_blank">Yes.</a></p>

[Liched]

<p>Befallen </p><p>'Befallen was once the stronghold of the Order of Marr's Fist. Now it is home to an evil energy that seeks  to destroy all light and life, a mighty force that tempts  the evil and power-hungry of  the world with promises of  power whispered to them as they sleep. In truth, these promises are a trap, for  even  the  blackest of hearts can not compare  to the darkness within Befallen. More  than once, a villain has been lured to  this fell  place and bound permanently within it. Within  this underground  tomb  living creatures are slowly, inevitably driven mad, and  the dead are given a second, vile semblance of life. Creatures trapped within Befallen have their own hierarchy based on  their relative power and the favor of the darkness that dwells there. Currently Befallen  is  commanded by <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=403" target="_blank">Redak Brokenskull</a>, an  undead troll who came to  the bunker in  hopes of taking its power  for his  own. Once trapped within,  he had  to overcome the original agent of darkness (a zombie called <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3512" target="_blank">Gynok Moltor</a>) and its dark elf agent, <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=144" target="_blank">Lord L'Rodd</a>. Once in control, Redak made  a pact with a group of gnome necromancers to  trade their service  for the secret of granting unlife.  Since  the  dread gnomes  have  moved into Befallen  it has been remarkably quiet, yet no  one  trusts  that to last long.'</p>

[Enever]

<p>Stormhold is the byproduct of a Curse from Opalla. This is also the reason why the Gnolls of Karan are Hateful of outsiders.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Enever wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This is also the reason why the Gnolls of Karan are Hateful of outsiders.</p></blockquote><p>Not exactly. Qeynosians and other outsider races have oppressed them ever since we settled and started building the city. The Gnolls represent the native american tribes from a cultural and historical standpoint. We took their land and hated them because they were different. Back in EQlive, there are certain race/class/diety combos that weren't naturally KOS to the gnolls. An Agnostic Erudite Mage for example, was only apprehensive from when I remember playing one.</p><p>It's really a long-standing grudge passed down over the generations.</p>

[Enever]

<p>I remember readign about a female Gnoll who was actually welcoming the new people, the knight who happened to have this bone bladed cleymore. the peopel panicked and cut off Oppala's paw, and since then they were at war, Oppala put a curse on teh bone  Cleymore whic heventually defiled Stormhold.</p><p>I'm not sure whee I heard that story from, but it's interesting, none the less.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Enever wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I remember readign about a female Gnoll who was actually welcoming the new people, the knight who happened to have this bone bladed cleymore. the peopel panicked and cut off Oppala's paw, and since then they were at war, Oppala put a curse on teh bone  Cleymore whic heventually defiled Stormhold.</p><p>I'm not sure whee I heard that story from, but it's interesting, none the less.</p></blockquote><p>That is basically the cliffnotes version, what you are refuring to is the whole Befallen Storyline, wich eventually leads into the Stormhold storyline via the Bonebladed Claymore.</p><p>Lore: Stormhold was created as a copy of Befallen cause the Knight who recovered the Bone Bladed Claymore went mad, do to the blade, and made his new keep(in Antonica) in the image of Befallen, and baisically did to Stormhold what was done to Befallen.</p><p>RL: The devs made one to many shared dungons in Commonlands with Wailing Caves, Befallen, and Fallen Gate, while Antonica had only one, Blackburrow, so they moved Befallen to Antonica and renamed it Stormhold, and gave a lore patch to explain why it was layed out exsactly like Befallen, and had the Bone Bladed Claymore and other Befallen referances in it.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>Honestly they should of just up the level on Wailing Caves, and replaced the Orcs with Gnolls and move that to Antonica. Maybe put some ghost bears and ghost druids in there and it could of been "Everfall Grave" or some such. Then lowered the level on Fallen Gate and everything would of been fine and dandy. I really, really resent the existance of Storm Hold just because everybody back then knew that it was Befallen moved to Antonica.</p><p>Not that I don't love the current Befallen zones, its just Storm Hold never should of existed (as a carbon copy of Befallen). </p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Enever wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I remember readign about a female Gnoll who was actually welcoming the new people, the knight who happened to have this bone bladed cleymore. the peopel panicked and cut off Oppala's paw, and since then they were at war, Oppala put a curse on teh bone  Cleymore whic heventually defiled Stormhold.</p><p>I'm not sure whee I heard that story from, but it's interesting, none the less.</p></blockquote><p>Well, what I mean is that it's not specifically just Opalla that caused gnolls to hate us. Most of it just comes from general oppresion.</p>

[ke'la]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Honestly they should of just up the level on Wailing Caves, and replaced the Orcs with Gnolls and move that to Antonica. Maybe put some ghost bears and ghost druids in there and it could of been "Everfall Grave" or some such. Then lowered the level on Fallen Gate and everything would of been fine and dandy. I really, really resent the existance of Storm Hold just because everybody back then knew that it was Befallen moved to Antonica.</p><p>Not that I don't love the current Befallen zones, its just Storm Hold never should of existed (as a carbon copy of Befallen). </p></blockquote><p>The problem is if they did that Antonica would have 2 dirty cave zones and no Undead dungon, while Commonlands would have two ruin-type dungons, both filled with Undead. Plus, with the exception of Ale making the Gnolls really are tribal and don't have alot of technogy, the look of the deep part of Wailing Caves just wouldn't fit with Gnolls.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><p><span>The problem is if they did that Antonica would have 2 dirty cave zones and no Undead dungon, while Commonlands would have two ruin-type dungons, both filled with Undead. Plus, with the exception of Ale making the Gnolls really are tribal and don't have alot of technogy, the look of the deep part of Wailing Caves just wouldn't fit with Gnolls.</span></p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>I think Merirril was reffering to not only changing the zone but also the types of mobs in the dungeons giving Antonica an undead dungeon and changing fallen gate to have Thexian loyalists in it making it the dirty cave living mobs in it rather then the massive undead, ... there could be undead in it to like wailing caves is now, a living/undead mix.</p><p>As for the whole move . eh.. it was a quick fix, after a while of talking to a few little birdies that were around in beta of EQ2  I was astonished at the things they told me they changed before and well after the games release that would break lore or not fit but was done anyways in the name of marketing/balance..  was .. . kind of sad to.. but we lived in different mindsets for Teh Everquest universe in 2004, eh.. hind sight is 20/20.. and i guess the rose colored glasses back then were really well worn.</p>

[Tehom]

<p>Well, Stormhold also shows what apparently happened to the Knights of Thunder (the paladins/priests of Karana that resided in Qeynos) from EQ1. Yeah, it was a tweak to move Befallen to Antonica and rename it, but without it the question of what happened to all of them would be kind of unresolved.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><span ><span style="color: #ffffff; font-size: x-small;"> </span><p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Honestly they should of just up the level on Wailing Caves, and replaced the Orcs with Gnolls and move that to Antonica. Maybe put some ghost bears and ghost druids in there and it could of been "Everfall Grave" or some such. Then lowered the level on Fallen Gate and everything would of been fine and dandy. I really, really resent the existance of Storm Hold just because everybody back then knew that it was Befallen moved to Antonica.</p><p>Not that I don't love the current Befallen zones, its just Storm Hold never should of existed (as a carbon copy of Befallen). </p></blockquote><p>The problem is if they did that Antonica would have 2 dirty cave zones and no Undead dungon, while Commonlands would have two ruin-type dungons, both filled with Undead. Plus, with the exception of Ale making the Gnolls really are tribal and don't have alot of technogy, the look of the deep part of Wailing Caves just wouldn't fit with Gnolls.</p></span></blockquote><p>Wailing caves is half undead, half orcs. There is no lore reason behind the existance of Wailing Caves. Its totally new for EQ2. There is a Lore reason for Befallen to be in the Commonlands. Even better, there are Lore reasons for a convient set of caves that could have undead druids, rangers, and grizzly bears in it connected to Qeynos Hills.</p><p>You'll have to excuse me for perfering the Lore explination to the game play one, especially given which forum this is posted in.</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>kela wrote:</cite></p><p><span>The problem is if they did that Antonica would have 2 dirty cave zones and no Undead dungon, while Commonlands would have two ruin-type dungons, both filled with Undead. Plus, with the exception of Ale making the Gnolls really are tribal and don't have alot of technogy, the look of the deep part of Wailing Caves just wouldn't fit with Gnolls.</span></p><p>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>I think Merirril was reffering to not only changing the zone but also the types of mobs in the dungeons giving Antonica an undead dungeon and changing fallen gate to have Thexian loyalists in it making it the dirty cave living mobs in it rather then the massive undead, ... there could be undead in it to like wailing caves is now, a living/undead mix.</p><p>As for the whole move . eh.. it was a quick fix, after a while of talking to a few little birdies that were around in beta of EQ2  I was astonished at the things they told me they changed before and well after the games release that would break lore or not fit but was done anyways in the name of marketing/balance..  was .. . kind of sad to.. but we lived in different mindsets for Teh Everquest universe in 2004, eh.. hind sight is 20/20.. and i guess the rose colored glasses back then were really well worn.</p></blockquote><p>No rose collored glasses. The players complained a lot but the dev producer at the time didn't want to hear it. There have been three (or more?) producers since then and they all seemed a lot more responsive to the player's complaints.</p>