1% nerf to Amends, Stonewall still sucks.

[RottenApple82]

<p>Was it really worth the time and effort coding to remove Amends III as a M2 choice...(41% vs 42% oh wow, big deal) while Stonewall still sucks pretty hard compared to everybody elses TSO 182s? TSO is about to end and Stonewall is still junk.</p>

[Kigneer]

<p><cite>RottenApple82 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Was it really worth the time and effort coding to remove Amends III as a M2 choice...(41% vs 42% oh wow, big deal) while Stonewall still sucks pretty hard compared to everybody elses TSO 182s?TSO is about to end and Stonewall is still junk.</p></blockquote><p>This is what folks were saying would happen, that the changes were going to happen, and if not all at once, in piecemeal. The devs let us know months ago they wanted to nerf Amends, and here's the chance.</p><p>It's really weird though, that if x amount of other players scream that Amends is too powerful, POOF Amends get docked. If the entire Paladin community claims otherwise it's total silence, and it's nerfed anyway.</p><p>With that mentality, forget Stonewall ever being fixed.</p>

[Boli32]

<p>I'd rather have amends competly removed and we can get back to tanking without having every other tank cry nerf when we actually do our job well.</p>

[Kigneer]

<p><cite>Boli32 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'd rather have amends competly removed and we can get back to tanking without having every other tank cry nerf when we actually do our job well.</p></blockquote><p>They'll still cry that we have heals.</p>

[Zergosch]

<p>Just 1% nerf? As i heard rumors which say, it will be removed from paladin oX</p>

[Theren]

If I'm remembering correctly (which is rare these days) Amends was never a M2 choice till 52(the Tank Revamp) was coming out and we were losing Amends entirely. That M2 choice was the spell that was to replace Amends, Restitution or something like that. I do agree with you that Stonewall should have been fixed by now. It's complete garbage as is. It needs a big boost to be in line with other spells that cost 182 AA. On a laughing note, I got a huge kick when I read that Pallies were losing Amends M2 and SK's were gaining a new fun spell, Favorite Flavor of the month FTFL

[Zergosch]

<p>Stonewall somehow sucks by now, right. But if you can time at raids, when a huge AE is comming, with a window of 0-1 second, it can be handy.</p><p>But well, i hope that we soon can take a good amount of damage without the need of heals ^^, like the guardian can do.</p>

[Knesh]

<p>This post should be completely locked for being completely useless to the paladin community.</p><p>The fact is SOE was right in removing the 1% NON NERF to Amends - they added to the M2 choices because of the combat changes that were taking place but were cancelled. the fact is 1% transfer adds ZERO loss to the paladin so telling/asking SOE to either regain that 1% is a WASTE OF TIME PEOPLE. Paladins need more help than to discuss the 1% change from AMENDS - we are still the best AGGRO holding tank in the game.</p><p>Stonewall sucks yes - there have been a zillion threads on the matter. Hopefully SOE will make changes to that - but to tack that on to the AMENDS NON ISSUE.</p><p>You guys seriously need to think about what you write about before you post on these boards. I am sooooo glad SOE doesn't listen to half of you. Otherwise the Paladin would be a Zerker, Wizard, Templar, Dirge all in one.</p><p>Instead you guys need to talk about the BROKEN ability of Holy Strike V. It is doing 1-2dmg on initial hit post GU 53. But do I see any posts in here about that?!? Nope you talk about AMENDS and them nerfing 1%.... Give me a break....</p>

[Prestissimo]

<p><cite>Awaka@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This post should be completely locked for being completely useless to the paladin community.</p><p>The fact is SOE was right in removing the 1% NON NERF to Amends - they added to the M2 choices because of the combat changes that were taking place but were cancelled. the fact is 1% transfer adds ZERO loss to the paladin so telling/asking SOE to either regain that 1% is a WASTE OF TIME PEOPLE. Paladins need more help than to discuss the 1% change from AMENDS - we are still the best AGGRO holding tank in the game.</p></blockquote><p>On the topic of undoing the changes that leaked through, lets see them stick that mechanic back into the game where mobs gained hate from action taken on other mobs that were linked.  That was part of the hate changes too, and personally, I made HUGE use of it.</p><p>So what if some warlocks didn't know when to hold or drop their unholy crit of rediculousness rift and got killed because of it?</p>

[RottenApple82]

<p><cite>Awaka@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This post should be completely locked for being completely useless to the paladin community.</p><p>The fact is SOE was right in removing the 1% NON NERF to Amends - they added to the M2 choices because of the combat changes that were taking place but were cancelled. the fact is 1% transfer adds ZERO loss to the paladin so telling/asking SOE to either regain that 1% is a WASTE OF TIME PEOPLE. Paladins need more help than to discuss the 1% change from AMENDS - we are still the best AGGRO holding tank in the game.</p><p>Stonewall sucks yes - there have been a zillion threads on the matter. Hopefully SOE will make changes to that - but to tack that on to the AMENDS NON ISSUE.</p><p>You guys seriously need to think about what you write about before you post on these boards. I am sooooo glad SOE doesn't listen to half of you. Otherwise the Paladin would be a Zerker, Wizard, Templar, Dirge all in one.</p><p>Instead you guys need to talk about the BROKEN ability of Holy Strike V. It is doing 1-2dmg on initial hit post GU 53. But do I see any posts in here about that?!? Nope you talk about AMENDS and them nerfing 1%.... Give me a break....</p></blockquote><p>The point is, and I guess this just flew over your head in a fit of righteous fanboy-ing.</p><p>SOMEONE down there spent time to make a change to an ability that it doesn't matter if it did or didn't get changed.</p><p>Getting rid of amends 42% choice, just means I am back to 41% OH WOW...do you not see the "OH WOW"? ITS POINTLESS, THE CHANGE WAS POINTLESS. But they took time and effort to change something POINTLESS. Why didn't they take time and effort to FIX something that could be USEFUL?</p><p>BTW, when this was posted that bug was not known. So go ahead and chastise me for posting something on the 22nd BEFORE THE BUG. Then Criticize me for not mentioning the bug. Smart, way smart.</p>

[Knesh]

<p><cite>RottenApple82 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Awaka@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>This post should be completely locked for being completely useless to the paladin community.</p><p>The fact is SOE was right in removing the 1% NON NERF to Amends - they added to the M2 choices because of the combat changes that were taking place but were cancelled. the fact is 1% transfer adds ZERO loss to the paladin so telling/asking SOE to either regain that 1% is a WASTE OF TIME PEOPLE. Paladins need more help than to discuss the 1% change from AMENDS - we are still the best AGGRO holding tank in the game.</p><p>Stonewall sucks yes - there have been a zillion threads on the matter. Hopefully SOE will make changes to that - but to tack that on to the AMENDS NON ISSUE.</p><p>You guys seriously need to think about what you write about before you post on these boards. I am sooooo glad SOE doesn't listen to half of you. Otherwise the Paladin would be a Zerker, Wizard, Templar, Dirge all in one.</p><p>Instead you guys need to talk about the BROKEN ability of Holy Strike V. It is doing 1-2dmg on initial hit post GU 53. But do I see any posts in here about that?!? Nope you talk about AMENDS and them nerfing 1%.... Give me a break....</p></blockquote><p>The point is, and I guess this just flew over your head in a fit of righteous fanboy-ing.</p><p>SOMEONE down there spent time to make a change to an ability that it doesn't matter if it did or didn't get changed.</p><p>Getting rid of amends 42% choice, just means I am back to 41% OH WOW...do you not see the "OH WOW"? ITS POINTLESS, THE CHANGE WAS POINTLESS. But they took time and effort to change something POINTLESS. Why didn't they take time and effort to FIX something that could be USEFUL?</p><p>BTW, when this was posted that bug was not known. So go ahead and chastise me for posting something on the 22nd BEFORE THE BUG. Then Criticize me for not mentioning the bug. Smart, way smart.</p></blockquote><p>All I have to say is LOL!</p>