Nerf nerfing

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<p><span > I had a quick question. If I land every mellee debuff in the world on a rogue are they still gonna have a 100% hitrate on a mage and is this in line with other classes?</span></p>

[Paikis]

<p>No one has a 100% hit rate. Hit rate looks so high because of how few hits it takes to kill a mage. Procs also artificially inflate your attacker's hit rate, because procs often don't miss. They swing, hit you and then 40 million procs trigger, all of them hitting because they don't have resist checks or whatever.</p><p>I certainly sympathise with you (I have 2 lvl80 mages) but it just isnt as bad as it looks.</p>

[Stuckx]

<p>Take away mages ability to instant kill (Wizard/warlock one-two shotting people and Coercer/Illusionists ability to mezz,debuff,and kill you with reactives 3 seconds after mezz breaks.) THEN you can complain.</p>

[Morghus]

<p>Hit-rate on mages probably seems so high simply because in both PvE and PvP the base defense skill that everybody gets is incredibly weak. Everything can hit through it easily with a small amount of + attack skill since it is overall the weakest and most contested form of avoid from what I have seen.</p>

[Paikis]

<p>All mages can get 14% uncontested avoidance fairly easily.</p>

[Faenril]

<p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span> I had a quick question. If I land every mellee debuff in the world on a rogue are they still gonna have a 100% hitrate on a mage and is this in line with other classes?</span></p></blockquote><p>Rogues off stance gives them tons of extra attack skill. Not much you can do rly. I don't bother casting our debuff anymore...</p><p>Not to mention they debuff your defense anyway through gracelessness and some CAs which negates your defensive stats...</p>

[ulleulle]

<p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Take away mages ability to instant kill (Wizard/warlock one-two shotting people and Coercer/Illusionists ability to mezz,debuff,and kill you with reactives 3 seconds after mezz breaks.) THEN you can complain.</p></blockquote><p>Amen brother.</p><p>The comboes listed above are out of this world and not even compareable to a mage not gearing up in defensive gear like he should be.even adornments *hint hint*</p>

[Paikis]

<p><cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Take away mages ability to instant kill (Wizard/warlock one-two shotting people and Coercer/<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Illusionists</span> ability to mezz,debuff,and kill you with reactives 3 seconds after mezz breaks.) THEN you can complain.</p></blockquote><p>Amen brother.</p><p>The comboes listed above are out of this world and not even compareable to a mage not gearing up in defensive gear like he should be.even adornments *hint hint*</p></blockquote><p>Coercer only thank you very much.</p>

[ulleulle]

<p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span> I had a quick question. If I land every mellee debuff in the world on a rogue are they still gonna have a 100% hitrate on a mage and is this in line with other classes?</span></p></blockquote><p>Not sure what lvl u are but at 80 i cant see why you wanna waste time with debuffing his melee skills.</p><p>Use ur 2 big hitters and finish him off instead.</p><p>If wiz you can add ur quick casting stifle to the rotation</p><p>If warlock you can add ur teleport to the rotation,just remember to root/snare after teleport or you might end up looking silly when he simply turns around and runs the other way =) Personal experience talking here</p><p>Coercer,well wont even tell you cause you should know =)</p><p>Illu,close to being the same as with coercer,like90%</p>

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<p> Was just strategizing and was curious if mellee debuffs were worth anything. Id like to see a pred or rogue with all mellee skill debuffs in the game on him and see if he actually misses a clothy one swing. Im curious if it would have any effect.</p><p> Your gonna have to tell me what 2 spells to cast that kill people instantly on an illy. Im doing something wrong. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Illies 1 reactive triggers on our mellee. Standing toe to toe with most mellee class to trigger the proc is ill advised. Id say start to finish it takes me 10 seconds to kill someone. More depending on gear. I have no one shot abilities. I have to cast about 10-15 spells minimum to work someone over.</p>

[Faenril]

<p><cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Illu,close to being the same as with coercer,like90%</p></blockquote><p>Jabib, what is the name of your illy?</p>

[Stuckx]

<p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Was just strategizing and was curious if mellee debuffs were worth anything. Id like to see a pred or rogue with all mellee skill debuffs in the game on him and see if he actually misses a clothy one swing. Im curious if it would have any effect.</p><p> Your gonna have to tell me what 2 spells to cast that kill people instantly on an illy. Im doing something wrong. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Illies 1 reactive triggers on our mellee. Standing toe to toe with most mellee class to trigger the proc is ill advised. Id say start to finish it takes me 10 seconds to kill someone. More depending on gear. I have no one shot abilities. I have to cast about 10-15 spells minimum to work someone over.</p></blockquote><p>Then your doing it wrong.I've been taken down by an Illy(A good one) About two seconds after his mezz broke and I had no time to react..I believe his name was Silentis on venekor.</p>

[Faenril]

<p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Was just strategizing and was curious if mellee debuffs were worth anything. Id like to see a pred or rogue with all mellee skill debuffs in the game on him and see if he actually misses a clothy one swing. Im curious if it would have any effect.</p><p> Your gonna have to tell me what 2 spells to cast that kill people instantly on an illy. Im doing something wrong. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Illies 1 reactive triggers on our mellee. Standing toe to toe with most mellee class to trigger the proc is ill advised. Id say start to finish it takes me 10 seconds to kill someone. More depending on gear. I have no one shot abilities. I have to cast about 10-15 spells minimum to work someone over.</p></blockquote><p>Then your doing it wrong.I've been taken down by an Illy(A good one) About two seconds after his mezz broke and I had no time to react..I believe his name was Silentis on venekor.</p></blockquote><p>Depends on gear really. Personnally I can stand toe to toe with most melees and just burn them down, but that's because I usually outgear them. An illy will not burn someone with high resists and high crit mit in 2 seconds.</p><p>If you go that route with a well geared rogue/pred you take the risk that he pops a pot and proceeds to r a p e you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Stuckx]

<p><cite>Faenril@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Was just strategizing and was curious if mellee debuffs were worth anything. Id like to see a pred or rogue with all mellee skill debuffs in the game on him and see if he actually misses a clothy one swing. Im curious if it would have any effect.</p><p> Your gonna have to tell me what 2 spells to cast that kill people instantly on an illy. Im doing something wrong. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Illies 1 reactive triggers on our mellee. Standing toe to toe with most mellee class to trigger the proc is ill advised. Id say start to finish it takes me 10 seconds to kill someone. More depending on gear. I have no one shot abilities. I have to cast about 10-15 spells minimum to work someone over.</p></blockquote><p>Then your doing it wrong.I've been taken down by an Illy(A good one) About two seconds after his mezz broke and I had no time to react..I believe his name was Silentis on venekor.</p></blockquote><p>Depends on gear really. Personnally I can stand toe to toe with most melees and just burn them down, but that's because I usually outgear them. An illy will not burn someone with high resists and high crit mit in 2 seconds.</p><p>If you go that route with a well geared rogue/pred you take the risk that he pops a pot and proceeds to r a p e you <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Well with 37% crit mit atm and relatively low mental(6858 ) I get tore up by enchanters.I can't really do much about my mental resists,but I'll have to see how I do against enchanters when I get my full PVP set on tuesday.</p>

[Faenril]

<p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Faenril@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> Was just strategizing and was curious if mellee debuffs were worth anything. Id like to see a pred or rogue with all mellee skill debuffs in the game on him and see if he actually misses a clothy one swing. Im curious if it would have any effect.</p><p> Your gonna have to tell me what 2 spells to cast that kill people instantly on an illy. Im doing something wrong. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Illies 1 reactive triggers on our mellee. Standing toe to toe with most mellee class to trigger the proc is ill advised. Id say start to finish it takes me 10 seconds to kill someone. More depending on gear. I have no one shot abilities. I have to cast about 10-15 spells minimum to work someone over.</p></blockquote><p>Then your doing it wrong.I've been taken down by an Illy(A good one) About two seconds after his mezz broke and I had no time to react..I believe his name was Silentis on venekor.</p></blockquote><p>Depends on gear really. Personnally I can stand toe to toe with most melees and just burn them down, but that's because I usually outgear them. An illy will not burn someone with high resists and high crit mit in 2 seconds.</p><p>If you go that route with a well geared rogue/pred you take the risk that he pops a pot and proceeds to r a p e you <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Well with 37% crit mit atm and relatively low mental(6858 ) I get tore up by enchanters.I can't really do much about my mental resists,but I'll have to see how I do against enchanters when I get my full PVP set on tuesday.</p></blockquote><p>Atm you die pretty fast that's true <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

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<p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote></blockquote><p>Then your doing it wrong.I've been taken down by an Illy(A good one) About two seconds after his mezz broke and I had no time to react..I believe his name was Silentis on venekor.</p></blockquote><p> 5000 dps in pvp? WTB his gear</p>

[Wytie]

<p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote></blockquote><p>Then your doing it wrong.I've been taken down by an Illy(A good one) About two seconds after his mezz broke and I had no time to react..I believe his name was Silentis on venekor.</p></blockquote><p> 5000 dps in pvp? WTB his gear</p></blockquote><p>LOL Silentis thats Warren from VA back in the day, he went to Decay when he came to naggy after VA broke up, before he quit for Aion. Yea I use to duel him in Haven and that was about right. Reminded me why I hated fighting illys. lol</p>

[Kiara]

<p>I see what you did there...</p><p>I'll leave it this once, however please remember that if I lock your thread, restarting it = cranky dark elf <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Thank you!</p>

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<p> My apologies. I didnt think you locked it because I crossed the line. Its an honest question and I wanted to get input on the matter. They ran away with the thread and the question was never answered.</p>

[Cloakentuna]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I see what you did there...</p><p>I'll leave it this once, however please remember that if I lock your thread, restarting it = cranky dark elf <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Thank you!</p></blockquote><p>He lives in Alaska, can you really blame a guy who lives in a frozen hell-hole that gets torn apart by oil companies for making these kind of posts?  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Yeah Finks, I went there.</p>

[ulleulle]

<p><cite>Finks@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Stuckx@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><blockquote></blockquote><p>Then your doing it wrong.I've been taken down by an Illy(A good one) About two seconds after his mezz broke and I had no time to react..I believe his name was Silentis on venekor.</p></blockquote><p> 5000 dps in pvp? WTB his gear</p></blockquote><p>I was fooling around on a m8s ranger the other day,decent equipped and all,not the best but curtainly not weaksauce either,anyways  milembers (coercer) caught me two times with mezz, the first time he did around 6.100k and the second was around  6.400 dps.</p><p>Granted ACT only start to "log" from dmg is applied and the mezz-debuf-stacking does not show.</p><p>But seriously it was blink and dead.</p><p>Did i feel cheated or what =)</p><p>Cheers</p><p>Jabib</p>

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<p> Yeah I die in a little over a second once a coercer gets all his debuffs and reactives stacked up. Illies dont get tash.</p>

[Ampd]

<p>if i die by other class, other class needs nerfed</p>

[ulleulle]

<p><cite>Ampd wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>if i die by other class, other class needs nerfed</p></blockquote><p>God i love one liners.</p><p>They are so deep.</p><p>Cheers</p><p>jabib</p>