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DistortionII

08-29-2009, 09:18 PM

*****Spolier, DONT look if you DONT want to see***** So we went trotting through the shard of Love on test, heres a few Screens.. more will follow when im not so busy later.Bah photobucket hates me. So anyways heres a few. But theres alot of text from different stories from the questgivers. heres just a few bits. <img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x120/Rezikai_photos/ShardofLovetext2-1-2.jpg" /> <img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x120/Rezikai_photos/ShardofLovetext1-1-1.jpg" width="158" height="498" /><img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x120/Rezikai_photos/ShardofLovetext2-1-1.jpg" width="268" height="251" /> <img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x120/Rezikai_photos/EQ2_000949-1.jpg" width="751" height="655" /> <img src="http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x120/Rezikai_photos/EQ2_000945.jpg" />

betatester7

08-29-2009, 10:21 PM

Epic Drama! we need more info!

Cusashorn

08-30-2009, 12:57 AM

I'm not gonna take this for an answer. We'll find a way to bring her back.Gentlemen. We have the technology. We can recode her!

Ascanius

08-30-2009, 02:20 AM

OOOOO IGET TO STAND NEXT TO MY GOD KICCCCKKK ASSSS ;P

betatester7

08-30-2009, 02:29 AM

Devs! It's Erolissi! she deserves being clothed in her eternal sleep! "Get away from me! You do not know what dangers you play with" Please leave me alone to my sadnessI cannot take anymore EROLLISSSSIIIIIIII! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! <anime tears T_T>Father and Farhom Lord, forgive me! Sorrow and anger had blinded mine eyes to reason, but these mortals, in a moment of valor, have opened them.I had justified keeping her here, for so long. But the truth is I was weak <sobs>I did not have to give yourself in my place, dear sister, but I should have expected no less from love.You foiled a heinous plan conected by Hate, thus robbing them of one success, while I had foolishly handed them another.I allowed your death to distract me from my own plane and from getting involved in the erupting struggles.Forgive me <face palm>Just as these mortals released me from the cage of your death...I now release you from yours! <uses a tool to open the coffin>May your essence find its final resting place, be it in this existence or another, my dear sister.<takes a sample of her blood to make a clone>I must now return my attention to Valor".- Mithaniel Marr

Mary the Prophetess

08-30-2009, 02:42 AM

Devs! It's Erolissi! she deserves being clothed in her eternal sleep! Indeed! [/Takes cloak and covers the lifless form]

Xalmat

08-30-2009, 02:44 AM

On a side note, Erollisi's...ahem, wardrobe, is being addressed by the devs.Now as for the plot...So much for Erollisi returning as a Goddess you can worship.But what could have killed Erollisi? The obvious being that comes to mind is Theer the Godslayer. But isn't he still trapped in the Void? Could it have been Innoruuk all along?It sounds like the Plane of Valor is now in trouble. But since Mithaniel himself says it's a plane and not a shard, I suspect it's still in tact...for now.Is it my imagination or does Mithaniel Marr look more like he did in EQ1? His Avatar looks nothing like him.

Cusashorn

08-30-2009, 07:26 AM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote>On a side note, Erollisi's...ahem, wardrobe, is being addressed by the devs.Now as for the plot...So much for Erollisi returning as a Goddess you can worship.But what could have killed Erollisi? The obvious being that comes to mind is Theer the Godslayer. But isn't he still trapped in the Void? Could it have been Innoruuk all along?It sounds like the Plane of Valor is now in trouble. But since Mithaniel himself says it's a plane and not a shard, I suspect it's still in tact...for now.Is it my imagination or does Mithaniel Marr look more like he did in EQ1? His Avatar looks nothing like him.</blockquote>Thats because avatars are Mortals blessed with divine powers of their god.Innoruuk is the one behind this. The How isn't explained, but the Who is fairly obvious.I don't see any reason why Mithanial Marr can't impart on the Elemental Gods to restore Erollisi, or even do it himself. After all, His existance was in danger in the past. Cazic and Terris Thule trapped and imprisoned him. They planned on killing him after long periods of torture, but at the last moment he split his essence into two and sent them to Norrath.The first half of his essence went to the Frogloks in Innothule Swamp (not the Guktans. That came much much later on.)The 2nd half was literally impregnated inside Erollisi Marr, who was walking around and exploring Norrath at the time. She gave birth to him and brought him back to life.Now, other than the whole "Mithanial isn't female so a literal rebirthing couldn't work" thing, I don't see why he can't. He's recovered his power from the last 500 years, so it's not like he's still in a weakened state.

Hikinami

08-30-2009, 12:09 PM

When I did this on test after my initial darth vader nooooooo at seeing her dead was "come on you are the god of paladins toss a planar rez."This expansion has been really depressing as far as lore goes. Void invasion pans out perfectly for Anasthi, even being defeated just pops her back with all new void powers and a super grudge to kill or dethrone a good god. Theer is waiting around the corner with death and destruction? And now E marr is gone. I am really hoping we can get her back or at least not have her killed off in the lore, this is a big downer for my paladin. Ever since Febuary I've been set to go kick some Inny butt and defend Love and Valor. The Evil gods are unbalanced as it is; either she needs to be reformed or we need a new person to step up and take the reigns. Rodcet did it so it's clearly possible to fill a space in the pantheon.

Kander

08-30-2009, 03:41 PM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Devs! It's Erolissi! she deserves being clothed in her eternal sleep! Indeed! [/Takes cloak and covers the lifless form]</blockquote> Its a bug, its being fixed. Or was fixed, just needs to be patched to test.

Leko

08-30-2009, 09:49 PM

I was promised that there would be kittiens and poines for me to kill in the shard of love.

Zabjade

08-30-2009, 10:05 PM

<cite>Kander wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Devs! It's Erolissi! she deserves being clothed in her eternal sleep! Indeed! [/Takes cloak and covers the lifless form]</blockquote> Its a bug, its being fixed. Or was fixed, just needs to be patched to test.</blockquote>On that note could we fix the nude look ;p

Jaranna

08-30-2009, 10:52 PM

If Erollisi is permanently dead, that is a huge bummer to me. I was wholly excited when I read in the preview that "Erollisi Marr's influence is felt once more in Norrath." How can her influence be felt if she is dead?I have a character that would love to worship Erollisi. No other god in the pantheon fits her story. Erollisi needs to be a deity choice in the game.

Kamimura

08-31-2009, 12:40 AM

I dunno.. for some reason I just don't think she's gone for good.. :p

Cusashorn

08-31-2009, 12:58 AM

<cite>Sorako@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dunno.. for some reason I just don't think she's gone for good.. :p</blockquote>I'm not going to acknowledge that she is.It may be true that Erollisi never actually played a part in most of the biggest events that have happened in Norrath's History, nor has she ever shown up in game other than as a puppet in the old Plane of Mischief, but the fact of just being who she is has made her a MAJOR influence in the lore of this game. She NEEDS to be in the game, as a fully living god. There simply is no other option.

MadTexan3

08-31-2009, 01:33 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not going to acknowledge that she is.</blockquote>I'm not going to acknowledge this door in front of me, and by doing so I'll be able to pass right through it! *bashes head on a door that's obviously still there*

Rainmare

08-31-2009, 03:43 AM

I think the text is that when Erollisi died, Mith marr, in his sorrow, entombed her in the coffin. when we slap him around a bit and get him back to his senses..he lets her essence free of the coffin. he even states 'may your essence find rest, in this realm or another.' So i'd guess her essence could reform on the plane like the other gods did even when we whooped them in thier own planes in PoP.I'd hope that she'd return, potentially as a worshipable god. but I also wouldn't be surprised if she makes a 'surprise enterance' in a Valor instnace where we go to help mith avenge her.

Mary the Prophetess

08-31-2009, 07:55 AM

I am confident that the end of the story is not given away at the beginning of the story. We will see Erollisi return from her entombment, (with our help of course). That is the theme of the update. My guess is that she will be a worshipable goddess at the end as well.

Wilde_Night

08-31-2009, 08:20 AM

Also, the gods are not the be all, end all of their particular realm of power. Erolissi is "dead", yet love still occurs all around Norrath. If Innoruuk was killed off, hate would still be felt. We felt it when they were gone. We don't need them. They need us.Now... in game my Inny High Priestess won't acknowledge the above fact. LOL. But from an audience perspective, it's true. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Urgol

08-31-2009, 09:00 AM

So to clear that out, gods are no more then parasites feeding off your emotions. And pretty much anyone can become one, see mayong.

Methriln

08-31-2009, 09:26 AM

<cite>Aelestar@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not going to acknowledge that she is.</blockquote>I'm not going to acknowledge this door in front of me, and by doing so I'll be able to pass right through it! *bashes head on a door that's obviously still there*</blockquote>qfe

Kander

08-31-2009, 12:27 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kander wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Devs! It's Erolissi! she deserves being clothed in her eternal sleep! Indeed! [/Takes cloak and covers the lifless form]</blockquote> Its a bug, its being fixed. Or was fixed, just needs to be patched to test.</blockquote>On that note could we fix the nude look ;p </blockquote>Umm. That is the bug.

Cusashorn

08-31-2009, 12:53 PM

<cite>Kander wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kander wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Devs! It's Erolissi! she deserves being clothed in her eternal sleep! Indeed! [/Takes cloak and covers the lifless form]</blockquote> Its a bug, its being fixed. Or was fixed, just needs to be patched to test.</blockquote>On that note could we fix the nude look ;p </blockquote>Umm. That is the bug.</blockquote>I think he ment "Fix the nude look" as in make her actually look naked. >_>

TheGeneral

08-31-2009, 01:01 PM

Indeed.... She is the goddess of love after all. *waggles eyebrows.*

madha

08-31-2009, 01:44 PM

aye so we can fianly see is barbs get piercings =)

denmom

08-31-2009, 07:52 PM

Jethal

08-31-2009, 09:18 PM

*sighs* thank you for the spoiler.. I'm not a happy ranger. Pretty sure this will push Jethal into the "Agnostic" category once and for all, and see the removal of the "of Erollisi Marr" tag from above his head for the first time since EQ2 Launch. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" />

Rainmare

08-31-2009, 10:12 PM

Don't despair, Lord Kithicor. Her essence still thrives. and even her brother says she may find 'rest' in this realm. I doubt as well that Tarew would allow his daughter to be slain permenantly.Mith also says that while we realse him through valor of the cage of her death, he releases her for hers. it very well maybe that entombing her caged her essence and wouldn't allow her to reform/recreate a physical avatar.

Mustang8259

08-31-2009, 11:47 PM

<cite>Jethal@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>*sighs* thank you for the spoiler.. I'm not a happy ranger. Pretty sure this will push Jethal into the "Agnostic" category once and for all, and see the removal of the "of Erollisi Marr" tag from above his head for the first time since EQ2 Launch. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Yah man don't do that, It's her faithful that prolly keep her alive in whatever form she's in now, till she can be "resurrected" or however that works for deities. I can't remember if it's canon to EQII or not but in general supposedly deities can't truly be destroyed if they still have worshipers...

Meirril

09-01-2009, 02:27 AM

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jethal@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>*sighs* thank you for the spoiler.. I'm not a happy ranger. Pretty sure this will push Jethal into the "Agnostic" category once and for all, and see the removal of the "of Erollisi Marr" tag from above his head for the first time since EQ2 Launch. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Yah man don't do that, It's her faithful that prolly keep her alive in whatever form she's in now, till she can be "resurrected" or however that works for deities. I can't remember if it's canon to EQII or not but in general supposedly deities can't truly be destroyed if they still have worshipers...</blockquote>There is a lot NOT understood about the mortality of gods in EQ2. Inny and Cazic had plans to kill Mithanial Marr. I had never herd the story where his sister gave birth to him. I remember the story going that he split his gift of life into two parts so that Inny couldn't steal it. Half of it spread over Innothule swamp and caused the Froglocks to be created. The other half lodged in Erollisi and she gave birth to the Barbarian race. The Froglocks later freed Mithanial Marr from captivity.That 2 dieties planned to kill a 3rd seems to indicate that it can be done. Yet, in PoP (EQ1) Karana was held captive, not killed. Here, Anashti Sul was banished to the void, not killed. Theer is banished to the void, not killed. Zeb was trapped in a pocket of time, not killed (and he had zero worshipers).Demi-gods can apparently be killed by the dieties that gave them power in the first place by re-absorbing their power. It might be possible for Terris Thule to destroy either of the twins by similarly claiming their source of power...or not. It might be possible for Inny to destroy another god of influence by subverting their power base. (i.e. Innoruk god of love and hate) It might also be possible via artifacts left behind by Theer or even the Nameless.Or it could be that Inny's plan was to subvert Mithanial by killing him and inserting into his reformation an influence that would corrupt him. Erollisi triggers the trap and will reform as a corrupted version and become the bride of hate. Or not. Maybe that is how Ulluruk was created.We really don't know a whole lot of what happens when an actual diety is killed by another diety. It should be interesting to watch it get played out. I just wish it wasn't THIS diety. I'd much rather see Quellious, Brell, Zek, or even one of the elemental dieties get shot down instead. Erollisi has never been a dev favorite, but she is very much a player favorite.

Quicksilver74

09-01-2009, 11:52 AM

I hope she comes back as an undead goddess, twisted and curel, and joins Innoruuk at his side. She could claim some new title, Goddess of Cruelty, or Revenge, or Malice. This way the leave the love slot open, and maybe some new person takes it over. Maybe Firiona Vie will magicly show up and be like "I'd like to apply for this new God Position please".

Rainmare

09-01-2009, 12:59 PM

Inny has enough of a power base. he's got like 4 or 5 sub deities he's resposible for. Envy, Betrayal, Torment, I believe he was responsible for Insanity as well. and byzola as malice.

xeyda

09-01-2009, 01:33 PM

<cite>Jethal@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>*sighs* thank you for the spoiler.. I'm not a happy ranger. Pretty sure this will push Jethal into the "Agnostic" category once and for all, and see the removal of the "of Erollisi Marr" tag from above his head for the first time since EQ2 Launch. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I know a certain Paladin that is going to be positively devastated. *sigh*ETA: I can't speel.

Elquinjena

09-01-2009, 02:45 PM

I am totally and utterly devastated and depressed at this news.Not only was the she the goddess of love, but the goddess of the hunt.For a female ranger, I was hoping that I could join the sisters of Erollisi Marr orat least have Erollisi Marr as my deity.Now all hope is lost, she is dead... Thing is I never Knew a god/goddess could die!if that is the case then ....why celebrate Erollisi Marr day any longer?Instead of roses and candy, lets have funeral wreaths and black roses with blackcloths of morning.oh ya come to the shard of love and find out what happen to Erollisicome see the corpse. oh boy oh joy I am so looking forward to this nowNOT

Barx

09-01-2009, 02:47 PM

<cite>Elquinjena wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am totally and utterly devastated and depressed at this news.Not only was the she the goddess of love, but the goddess of the hunt.For a female ranger, I was hoping that I could join the sisters of Erollisi Marr orat least have Erollisi Marr as my deity.Now all hope is lost, she is dead... Thing is I never Knew a god/goddess could die!if that is the case then ....why celebrate Erollisi Marr day any longer?Instead of roses and candy, lets have funeral wreaths and black roses with blackcloths of morning.oh ya come to the shard of love and find out what happen to Erollisicome see the corpse. oh boy oh joy I am so looking forward to this nowNOT</blockquote>Hope springs eternal <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />They've already said something *Special* will be coming in this Erollisi day... And there is an empty spot in the worshippable pantheon for a good diety...Now if only we could find one to be reborn and take that spot, hmm...

WeatherMan

09-01-2009, 04:05 PM

Taking a look at this from a completely neutral position, as I neither liked nor disliked E-M - she just never fit into the worldview of any character of mine. That said:This is, in my opinion, a rather poorly-considered element in the way things are developing. Just reading some of the posts in this thread proves that. That, and the lack of "YEAH, baby, they iced the Love Lady! Woohoo!"-type replies seems to indicate that SOE has stepped (again) into the steaming pile of odiferous brown waste matter.So are they going to put her in a corset and bring her back as the Goddess of Pain, a la Loviatar (Finnish goddess of the same portfolio)? Because leaving her dead just seems...I dunno..dumb. And considering the pain it's caused some of the folks here (and I am sure, there are others, and will be more later on), the new portfolio would fit, don'tcha think?Will there even be a point to Erollisi Day again? If you aren't going to bring her back, at least ditch the whiney Swornlove priest in Antonica and his useless sister.

Barx

09-01-2009, 04:10 PM

<cite>WeatherMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Taking a look at this from a completely neutral position, as I neither liked nor disliked E-M - she just never fit into the worldview of any character of mine. That said:This is, in my opinion, a rather poorly-considered element in the way things are developing. Just reading some of the posts in this thread proves that. That, and the lack of "YEAH, baby, they iced the Love Lady! Woohoo!"-type replies seems to indicate that SOE has stepped (again) into the steaming pile of odiferous brown waste matter.So are they going to put her in a corset and bring her back as the Goddess of Pain, a la Loviatar (Finnish goddess of the same portfolio)? Because leaving her dead just seems...I dunno..dumb. And considering the pain it's caused some of the folks here (and I am sure, there are others, and will be more later on), the new portfolio would fit, don'tcha think?Will there even be a point to Erollisi Day again? If you aren't going to bring her back, at least ditch the whiney Swornlove priest in Antonica and his useless sister.</blockquote>Who said they werent going to bring her back?Her storyline about her being absent has been in the game for YEARS. If this is their way of bringing her back, it sure beats her just reappearing with a "Oh hi I'm back, I was out grocery shopping for the last 50 years"

Wilde_Night

09-01-2009, 04:12 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote> Zeb was trapped in a pocket of time, not killed (and he had zero worshipers).</blockquote>Zeb is the "ungod". He gained his godhood without mystical powers, he doesn't need worshippers to remain sustained, unlike the others.

Wilde_Night

09-01-2009, 04:14 PM

I don't think we've seen the last of her. I bet she's just out of commission for a bit. I really don't think she'll be coming back as a twisted version of herself. She'd need to spend a whole lot of time in one of the evil planes to even begin to be tainted, I would surmise.

Quicksilver74

09-01-2009, 04:36 PM

I'd like to see Mith Marr goin on a rage and become all Emo like the black suited Spiderman, and end up becoming the God of Revenge, a renegade god, who's anger makes him even more powerful than Rallos Zek! His hatred will empower him, and he will somehow come to believe that Theer is responsible for his sisters death. Only through combining the rightenousness of Valor, with the Anger of Revenge, can this might dude rise up and face Theer. The result is an epic battle that we all will see in the skies. Meanwhile, Innoruuk and Bristlebane laugh and joke about how they killed Erolisi and somehow blamed it on Theer. Then after Marr defeats Theer, he is exhausted, and mortally wounded. Prexus rises us from the sea and he'd wicked mad at Innorruk and Bristlebane. Then Nagafen is like "Dudes... stop your fighting cause Kerafyrm is back!" "RWAR!" says Kerafyrm! "Oh Noes!" whispers Bristlebane!"Oh No, I can't ban U! U R 2 Powerful! " Cries Kiara!"It's ok guys, I got a secret weapon" laughs Nagafen, as 5 Young Prismatic Dragon teenagers fly out from Lavastorm to confront Kerafyrm. Each of them in posession of a special ring. "Earth!" one shouts in Draconic."Fire!" shouts another!"Wind!", "Water!", "Heart!", shout the other three! Then a green haired prismatic Titan appears, greeting them with "By your powers combined, I am CAPTAIN DRAGON PLANET!"

Kamimura

09-01-2009, 04:58 PM

<cite>Elquinjena wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am totally and utterly devastated and depressed at this news.Not only was the she the goddess of love, but the goddess of the hunt.For a female ranger, I was hoping that I could join the sisters of Erollisi Marr orat least have Erollisi Marr as my deity.if that is the case then ....why celebrate Erollisi Marr day any longer?Instead of roses and candy, lets have funeral wreaths and black roses with blackcloths of morning.</blockquote>My ranger is right there with yours.. Ever since I started playing her I knew I didn't want to have another follower of Tunare, and even though the Goddess of the Hunt thing hadn't come about so clearly she still seemed perfect for her. She's not going to give up, though.. there will be no black roses or black clothes for her (although her backyard is going to become an even larger garden shrine for her), Erollisi wouldn't want that! She's going to keep honoring what Erollisi stood for, and really.. I don't think she's going to give up on seeing her return, either - especially considering that someone like Anashti could come back after all that time.

Quicksilver74

09-01-2009, 05:15 PM

Anashti could raise her from the dead.

Cusashorn

09-01-2009, 05:52 PM

<cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anashti could raise her from the dead. </blockquote>So could Rodcet or any other god who decided to part with a little of their essence to recreate her. You really think Anashti would just rez her and leave it at that? Heck no, she'd corrupt her into an undead zombie who would willingly obey Anashti's every command.

xeyda

09-01-2009, 06:19 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anashti could raise her from the dead. </blockquote>So could Rodcet or any other god who decided to part with a little of their essence to recreate her. You really think Anashti would just rez her and leave it at that? Heck no, she'd corrupt her into an undead zombie who would willingly obey Anashti's every command.</blockquote>/(pally alt) starts a signature-petition campain to get god ol' Roddie to rez Erollisi

Rainmare

09-01-2009, 07:37 PM

I think it's just like PoP. We killed the gods there too, remember? in thier own planes. The gist of it was we killed them, they'd have to take a breather, and then they could rebirth themselves, so to speak.I think mith marr was being quite literal in his comments. He was drowing in sorrow and frankly self pity. When he saw his sister struck down, he emtombed her in the casket. as a mortal would. He wasn't thinking clearly, and too overcome by sorrow at seeing her struck down.When we beat him and bring him to his senses by our valor at facing him in the shard, he releases her essence out of the coffin and says may she find rest in this realm, or another. which to me says that she very well may just need to rest, recoup and rebirth as the Goddess of Love...or, she make let herself as the Goddess of Love 'die' and instead take her secondary area and rebirth as strictly as Erollisi Marr, Goddess of the Hunt...leaving somone else to ascend to become the new Goddess of Love.

Quicksilver74

09-01-2009, 09:31 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anashti could raise her from the dead. </blockquote>So could Rodcet or any other god who decided to part with a little of their essence to recreate her. You really think Anashti would just rez her and leave it at that? Heck no, she'd corrupt her into an undead zombie who would willingly obey Anashti's every command.</blockquote>Thats the point. Errolisi Marr, Zombie Goddess of Unnatural Love. (She coudl bring about a twisted form of love, perhaps she could explain alot of the shock videos we see on the internet)

Cusashorn

09-01-2009, 09:44 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>...or, she make let herself as the Goddess of Love 'die' and instead take her secondary area and rebirth as strictly as Erollisi Marr, Goddess of the Hunt...leaving somone else to ascend to become the new Goddess of Love.</blockquote>I don't think you can just give up a domain of influence like that. If the gods can, it'd certainly be an unprecedented event.

Meirril

09-01-2009, 09:49 PM

<cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote> Zeb was trapped in a pocket of time, not killed (and he had zero worshipers).</blockquote>Zeb is the "ungod". He gained his godhood without mystical powers, he doesn't need worshippers to remain sustained, unlike the others.</blockquote>Zeb is a god like the rest. Like all of the "greater" gods, he wasn't made a god by another power. He created himself as a diety. Unlike the other greater dieties, he was mortal before he was a god.As far as dieties go, he's very weak. I'm going to assume that this is because he doesn't lay claim to any of the power sources that the other gods do. Technically, most of the gods receive worship from every living thing. While there are beings that specifically worship/serve certain dieties, any time you participate in an activity that a god has claim over you are strengthing them. Thus, when you feel fear Cazic receives that feeling and grows stronger. Erollisi should of been one of the most powerful dieties in Norrath because even Tier'Dal love something and it is an extreme emotion just like fear and hate. It should be even more common than Courage, Honor and Valor so she should of been more powerful than her brother Mithanial.Zeb never layed claim over an emotion, or an element, or anything that we're aware of. If he did, and no other diety opposed that claim, he would be as powerful as the other dieties. That seems to be the way Norrath works. It does make you wonder about Veeshan though. Veeshan doesn't have claim over anything other than her own brood. Does this make Veeshan work differently than the dieties of Norrath? Is Veeshan even a "real" diety as far as the pathenon goes? Veeshan is not from Norrath, so all bets are off. She wasn't created by Norrath, rather she helped to shape Norrath and made her brood an essential part of what created the current pathenon.

Cusashorn

09-01-2009, 09:53 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote> Zeb was trapped in a pocket of time, not killed (and he had zero worshipers).</blockquote>Zeb is the "ungod". He gained his godhood without mystical powers, he doesn't need worshippers to remain sustained, unlike the others.</blockquote>Zeb is a god like the rest. Like all of the "greater" gods, he wasn't made a god by another power. He created himself as a diety. Unlike the other greater dieties, he was mortal before he was a god.As far as dieties go, he's very weak. I'm going to assume that this is because he doesn't lay claim to any of the power sources that the other gods do. Technically, most of the gods receive worship from every living thing. While there are beings that specifically worship/serve certain dieties, any time you participate in an activity that a god has claim over you are strengthing them. Thus, when you feel fear Cazic receives that feeling and grows stronger. Erollisi should of been one of the most powerful dieties in Norrath because even Tier'Dal love something and it is an extreme emotion just like fear and hate. It should be even more common than Courage, Honor and Valor so she should of been more powerful than her brother Mithanial.Zeb never layed claim over an emotion, or an element, or anything that we're aware of. If he did, and no other diety opposed that claim, he would be as powerful as the other dieties. That seems to be the way Norrath works. It does make you wonder about Veeshan though. Veeshan doesn't have claim over anything other than her own brood. Does this make Veeshan work differently than the dieties of Norrath? Is Veeshan even a "real" diety as far as the pathenon goes? Veeshan is not from Norrath, so all bets are off. She wasn't created by Norrath, rather she helped to shape Norrath and made her brood an essential part of what created the current pathenon.</blockquote>None of the other gods were created by Norrath either. They all came to it from sources unknown after it was created.As for Zeb. Officially, he doesn't hold an actual title, this is true. However, in actuality, he's the God of Knowledge. Or rather, Demi-God of Knowledge, to be technical.

RoninSenshi

09-02-2009, 09:25 AM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am confident that the end of the story is not given away at the beginning of the story. We will see Erollisi return from her entombment, (with our help of course). That is the theme of the update. My guess is that she will be a worshipable goddess at the end as well.</blockquote>Just bringing this back up, because I agree with it. I can see a long series of quests or Server events to bring her back as a worshippable Goddess.Of course, I hope their are quests to hamper such efforts (which would turnout to fail) because I just cannot see evilally aligned characters comming out in droves to revive the Goddess of Love. Maybe onesies and twosies, but this is gonna be a mostly good aligned effort and we gotta give the evils something to do yes?Also, everyone's jumping down SoE's neck for this? You really think they are gonna leave Erollisi Marr dead forever?

Cusashorn

09-02-2009, 09:37 AM

<cite>Rivald@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am confident that the end of the story is not given away at the beginning of the story. We will see Erollisi return from her entombment, (with our help of course). That is the theme of the update. My guess is that she will be a worshipable goddess at the end as well.</blockquote>Just bringing this back up, because I agree with it. I can see a long series of quests or Server events to bring her back as a worshippable Goddess.Of course, I hope their are quests to hamper such efforts (which would turnout to fail) because I just cannot see evilally aligned characters comming out in droves to revive the Goddess of Love. Maybe onesies and twosies, but this is gonna be a mostly good aligned effort and we gotta give the evils something to do yes?Also, everyone's jumping down SoE's neck for this? You really think they are gonna leave Erollisi Marr dead forever?</blockquote>You evils didn't complain when we helped you bring Anashti Sul back... granted, we were tricked and did'nt expect that to happen, but still..

Quicksilver74

09-02-2009, 09:46 AM

Well of course Evil Aligned Characters can want to bring Erolisi Marr back. Just because I live in Freeport, which is clearly the best city both in terms of design and overall power, doesn't mean I scoff at love. Many good things come from love, such as Passion, Desire, and Lust! And even good old fashioned love still exists for us, we just want to be with our love as we gain control over the land and force Qeynos to pay us taxes etc.

Cusashorn

09-02-2009, 10:42 AM

<cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well of course Evil Aligned Characters can want to bring Erolisi Marr back. Just because I live in Freeport, which is clearly the best city both in terms of design and overall power, doesn't mean I scoff at love. Many good things come from love, such as Passion, Desire, and Lust! And even good old fashioned love still exists for us, we just want to be with our love as we gain control over the land and force Qeynos to pay us taxes etc. </blockquote>I wonder if Lust actually qualifies as a good trait? Tholluxe Paels, the God of Lust, is actually evil.

RoninSenshi

09-02-2009, 12:03 PM

Crabbok: Onsies and twoisies. Sure, not everyone in Freeport is going to be "So evil" that they would scoff at love, some would have valid reasons for wanting to bring her back.Lucan D'Lere himself a fallen Paladin and who has done so much against the Order of Marr might not have much interest in bringing back the Sister of the God he's probably really [Removed for Content] off.Is love required for lust? Probably not, but thats a whole nothing thread.. probably on a different forum. If anything, I think it should be a neutral trait.<a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Tholuxe_Paells">http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Tholuxe_Paells</a>

Quicksilver74

09-02-2009, 01:39 PM

I'm not suggetsing that Lust requires Love, or that Lust is even remotley a "good" trait, but I am suggesting that the goddess of love would not exclusively cover the emotion of "true Love". I'm suggetsing that her influence is likely spread out among other emotions that are based on attraction and warmth etc. Lust is one of these. And yeah Lucan could possibly need Erolisi's help if he accidently ticked of the dark elf chick that he bones in Twilight Citadel.

Noaani

09-02-2009, 01:54 PM

That could potentially be a catalyst to removing the faction requirements on a good number of deities - D'Lere needing the help of one of the most pure good deities in Norrath because he upset his woman. Its also something a lot of guys could symapthize with... needing divine intervention to break the wrath of a female. Makings of a truely great questline imo.The faction requirements do not make a whole lot of sense on some of the deities. Rallos Zek is evil, does that mean someone from Qeynos is not allowed to pay him tribute before going off to war? Are Qeynos citizens not supposed to acknowledge that war happens?Same with Freeport, are they not supposed to grow crops? If they do, are they not allowed to pay tribute to the goddess of Growth?

Wilde_Night

09-02-2009, 03:25 PM

If you look at it in a lore standpoint, Innoruuk seems to be the most powerful of the "lesser" gods overall. He is the one who broke the seals on the planes of power. He is the one who took another gods creation and made them into something else. He is the one who is always up to these little schemes in the end. Erolissi may be powerful, but even the good races feel hate, anger, vengence...I'm just sayin'.

Xalmat

09-02-2009, 03:44 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>You evils didn't complain when we helped you bring Anashti Sul back... granted, we were tricked and did'nt expect that to happen, but still..</blockquote>We also knew as players that Anashti Sul was going to be worshippable, and that she would need to be defeated in combat before that could happen.<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>The faction requirements do not make a whole lot of sense on some of the deities. Rallos Zek is evil, does that mean someone from Qeynos is not allowed to pay him tribute before going off to war? Are Qeynos citizens not supposed to acknowledge that war happens?</blockquote>Qeynos citizens see war as a necessary evil. Most don't want conflict in theri lives, as they would rather have peace, but fight because they must to protect themselves.Rallos Zek on the other hand is the God of War, and actively encourages combat and conflict. They fight because they want to fight. It is his way such that if something stands in your way of your goals, you kill it. It's this lifestyle that's "encouraged" in Freeport, if not outright practiced as a matter of law.Rallos Zek is also the creator of the Ogres and Orcs, both of which are warrior races who thrive on combat. And no one questions that Ogres and Orcs are evil races bent on conquest through combat. Were it not for Rallos Zek and the Avatar of War influencing the Ogres, the First and Second Rallosian War likely would never have happened.Rallos Zek is also aligned with Innoruuk and Cazic-Thule, both of which are unquestionably evil. He is also an enemy of Quellious, who is unquestionably good and the goddess of Peace and Tranquility. Interesting enough he's an enemy of Bertoxxulous, but I've never understood why.

Cusashorn

09-02-2009, 03:47 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rallos Zek is evil, does that mean someone from Qeynos is not allowed to pay him tribute before going off to war? Are Qeynos citizens not supposed to acknowledge that war happens?Same with Freeport, are they not supposed to grow crops? If they do, are they not allowed to pay tribute to the goddess of Growth?</blockquote>Qeynosians acknowledge war just like anyone else, but the thing that makes Rallos Zek evil is the act of war itself, and his followers are expected to take enjoyment out of slaughtering other people in combat. Just because a Qeynos Guard may say "May Zek give me strength to endure this battle" as a little prayer before the fight is not the same as him saying "Ehehehe. I'm gunna enjoy this. LETS KILL 'EM ALL!"Farmers on the other hand.. I don't think a farmer is really going to get all that politically involved with good or evil. They just want to grow crops, so they'd most likely worship Karana for good weather. They might praise Tunare if they get a bumper crop each year, but that wouldn't mean that Lucan has to have them all killed just by uttering her name.

Noaani

09-02-2009, 04:03 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rallos Zek is evil, does that mean someone from Qeynos is not allowed to pay him tribute before going off to war? Are Qeynos citizens not supposed to acknowledge that war happens?Same with Freeport, are they not supposed to grow crops? If they do, are they not allowed to pay tribute to the goddess of Growth?</blockquote>Qeynosians acknowledge war just like anyone else, but the thing that makes Rallos Zek evil is the act of war itself, and his followers are expected to take enjoyment out of slaughtering other people in combat. Just because a Qeynos Guard may say "May Zek give me strength to endure this battle" as a little prayer before the fight is not the same as him saying "Ehehehe. I'm gunna enjoy this. LETS KILL 'EM ALL!"Farmers on the other hand.. I don't think a farmer is really going to get all that politically involved with good or evil. They just want to grow crops, so they'd most likely worship Karana for good weather. They might praise Tunare if they get a bumper crop each year, but that wouldn't mean that Lucan has to have them all killed just by uttering her name.</blockquote>Nothing in any of that gives a reason why D'Lere would prevent a Freeport citizen from paying tribute to Tunare, or why Tunare would not accept tribute from such a person.I admit that in some cases it doesn't make sense (Qeynos + hate, Freeport + valor), but even these could have extreme examples made as to how they could fit.I am not saying Rallos Zek should have a temple erected for him right in the middle of Starcrest, but it doesn't make sence that a Qeynos citizen is unable to pay him tribute.

Rainmare

09-02-2009, 08:49 PM

much of it I think is due to how thier regilious fervor works.Rallos' dictate is that might makes right. literally. if you want something, and you can lop the head off of the person that owns it, you were meant to have it. otherwise they'd still be alive. that kind of behavior doesn't float well in Qeynos...and while a little altar might get by, adventurers are a different animal. they curry favor, they sacrifice items of power to attain miraculous divine interventions. that shows a level of devotion that would probably make qeynosians very uncomfortable with a Zek follower.A Tunare follower in freeport...well...Tunarians are tree hugging hippies, lets face it. they are very much into protecting thier own and thier enviroment...which includes animals, trees, anythig that grows and be helpful to sustaining life. Someone that caring simply would get shived far to easily in freeport. they'd almost just might as well paint a huge bullseye on thier clothing.Adventurers are pretty fanatical follower of thier dieties, so undesirable worships (Zek in Qeynos) or those that by the virtues of thier faith make them easier prey (Tunare/Quellious) either aren't welcome or don't live long enough to have any real followings.

Meirril

09-02-2009, 09:49 PM

<cite>Xalmat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>You evils didn't complain when we helped you bring Anashti Sul back... granted, we were tricked and did'nt expect that to happen, but still..</blockquote>We also knew as players that Anashti Sul was going to be worshippable, and that she would need to be defeated in combat before that could happen.<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>The faction requirements do not make a whole lot of sense on some of the deities. Rallos Zek is evil, does that mean someone from Qeynos is not allowed to pay him tribute before going off to war? Are Qeynos citizens not supposed to acknowledge that war happens?</blockquote>Qeynos citizens see war as a necessary evil. Most don't want conflict in theri lives, as they would rather have peace, but fight because they must to protect themselves.Rallos Zek on the other hand is the God of War, and actively encourages combat and conflict. They fight because they want to fight. It is his way such that if something stands in your way of your goals, you kill it. It's this lifestyle that's "encouraged" in Freeport, if not outright practiced as a matter of law.Rallos Zek is also the creator of the Ogres and Orcs, both of which are warrior races who thrive on combat. And no one questions that Ogres and Orcs are evil races bent on conquest through combat. Were it not for Rallos Zek and the Avatar of War influencing the Ogres, the First and Second Rallosian War likely would never have happened.Rallos Zek is also aligned with Innoruuk and Cazic-Thule, both of which are unquestionably evil. He is also an enemy of Quellious, who is unquestionably good and the goddess of Peace and Tranquility. Interesting enough he's an enemy of Bertoxxulous, but I've never understood why.</blockquote>Bert believes in spreading disease and weakening their opponents until they die a slow agonizing death. Rallos has Bertoxxulous as an enemy because he despises this tactic. Rallos lives not for victory, but for battle. Glorious battle. Rallos reviels in conflicts where two mighty and equal sides oppose each other. Only by having the strong fight the strong does the true battle hymn ring across the battle field. In a certain way, Mithanial Marr is Rallos' greatest ally in that he provides a worthy opponent.Rallos isn't so much alligned with Innoruuk or Cazic as much as he is easily manipulated by both and has no interest in fighting against either. Neither Innoruuk or Cazic would set the stage for a glorious battle. Why oppose those that don't understand how war should be fought?Rallos doesn't care if you are right or wrong. Good or evil. He only cares that you value strength and will fight until the end. He only cares that you will seek battle until your dying day. Fight well, die well and maybe Rallos will welcome you into Drunder. Maybe.

Cusashorn

09-02-2009, 09:55 PM

Then there's Rallos Zek himself. As a God, it pleases him to directly get involved with his wars. Why do you think he's been involved in at least 4 of the last great major events in history? He's the one concocting them and leading them. He's most certainly evil. As I said, he wants his followers to take delight in killing other people in battle. There's a difference between killing someone in battle, and enjoying it.

Meirril

09-03-2009, 06:00 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Then there's Rallos Zek himself. As a God, it pleases him to directly get involved with his wars. Why do you think he's been involved in at least 4 of the last great major events in history? He's the one concocting them and leading them. He's most certainly evil. As I said, he wants his followers to take delight in killing other people in battle. There's a difference between killing someone in battle, and enjoying it.</blockquote>Rallos definately isn't "good". Classicly evil? Kinda. In a large sense, he is the most neutral of the "evil" gods. Conflict is what he is interested in. War is widespread conflict and his perfered medium. That doesn't mean he wouldn't take delight in a bar room brawl.Rallos is the only diety that would actually enjoy it if he was locked in combat with someone he might loose against. Sure, he'd perfer to win. He would believe he could win. But unlike some of the other dieties that would evade a close fight, I think Rallos would seek it out. Even if he was defeated, he would reform afterward because that is his nature.If SOE decided to re-do the worshiper alignment restrictions I'd petition heavly for Rallos to be included in the "neutral" category because all soldiers worship Rallos to some extent. Just like all sailors worship Prexus.

Cusashorn

09-03-2009, 09:19 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rallos is the only diety that would actually enjoy it if he was locked in combat with someone he might loose against. Sure, he'd perfer to win. He would believe he could win. But unlike some of the other dieties that would evade a close fight, I think Rallos would seek it out. Even if he was defeated, he would reform afterward because that is his nature.</blockquote>Which is funny, because Rallos is actually a REALLY SORE LOSER when he loses a battle. Champion of Norrath on the Playstation 2 shows that perfectly."Bah! I tire of this fight like I tire of a tasteless meal!" *storms off while trying to keep his composure that he just got his butt handed to him*

Meatmonster

09-03-2009, 10:21 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rallos is the only diety that would actually enjoy it if he was locked in combat with someone he might loose against. Sure, he'd perfer to win. He would believe he could win. But unlike some of the other dieties that would evade a close fight, I think Rallos would seek it out. Even if he was defeated, he would reform afterward because that is his nature.</blockquote>Which is funny, because Rallos is actually a REALLY SORE LOSER when he loses a battle. Champion of Norrath on the Playstation 2 shows that perfectly."Bah! I tire of this fight like I tire of a tasteless meal!" *storms off while trying to keep his composure that he just got his butt handed to him*</blockquote> For what is essentially the God of War, Rallos Zek has a pretty terrible track record of actually winning.

Noaani

09-03-2009, 12:14 PM

<cite>Disgustipate wrote:</cite><blockquote> For what is essentially the God of War, Rallos Zek has a pretty terrible track record of actually winning.</blockquote>This is true, in a very humerous kind of way.Put it this way, of all ancient cultures with a god that could be considered to resemble Zek, Ares of the Greek Pantheon is the only applicable example.Mars, of the Romans, was considered valious as a god of combat. Tyr of the Norse people was considered a god duels or other one on one combat, but was also the god of victory. Nergal of the Babylonians was considered the god of distruction, of which war was only one aspect (disease, sickness, pestilance, plauges and even summer were also aspects that were equal to war). The Egyptian goddess Sekhmet was the ancient Egyptian god of war and distruction, but was also considered a protector of teh Pharaohs (she is second in running as the closes to Rallos Zek, after Ares).Ares, god of war, was what could have only have been considered neutral. Sure, he took delight in killing those that opposed him, but that simply makes him a man (god) that enjoys his work. He was maticulous as to whom he would go to war with, and never fought just for the sake of fighting.He was worshiped by all members of Greek society any time Greece was at war, and daily by those living in Sparta (spartian children used to sacrifice puppies to him!). To say he is an evil god, and that only evil people should worship him, is to say all of ancient Greece was evil.While Rallos Zek may have entered combat on Norrath on multiple occasions, that was only as a means of leading the army of his own creation in to battle, like a parent fighting the battles of their child. He may delight in the killing of others on a battlefield, but he is still the only god of war that Norrath has, and as such should be worshipable by anyone on Norrath that ever goes to war.

ke'la

09-03-2009, 01:31 PM

<cite>Crabbok@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not suggetsing that Lust requires Love, or that Lust is even remotley a "good" trait, but I am suggesting that the goddess of love would not exclusively cover the emotion of "true Love". I'm suggetsing that her influence is likely spread out among other emotions that are based on attraction and warmth etc. Lust is one of these. And yeah Lucan could possibly need Erolisi's help if he accidently ticked of the dark elf chick that he bones in Twilight Citadel. </blockquote>Plus isn't love an easy emotion to menipulate people with? Heck wasn't it in part the love between the Thexs that helped Inny coorupt them? I mean what is more corrupting then feeding off the one you love to survive?

Zabjade

09-03-2009, 01:39 PM

<cite>xeyda wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jethal@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>*sighs* thank you for the spoiler.. I'm not a happy ranger. Pretty sure this will push Jethal into the "Agnostic" category once and for all, and see the removal of the "of Erollisi Marr" tag from above his head for the first time since EQ2 Launch. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I know a certain Paladin that is going to be positively devastated. *sigh*ETA: I can't speel.</blockquote>I don't see them canceling next Erollisi Day, so I think that her apparent death is part of a larger plot to either resurrect her or elevate someone else to the position.Yes, Jethal has to rename his character because he becomes an NPC! Muwahahaha! Just kidding!!!

Barx

09-03-2009, 01:45 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't see them canceling next Erollisi Day, so I think that her apparent death is part of a larger plot to either resurrect her or elevate someone else to the position.Yes, Jethal has to rename his character because he becomes an NPC! Muwahahaha! Just kidding!!!</blockquote>They're not. In fact, they've already promised something special for the next Erollisi day. I have a feeling I know what it is <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ke'la

09-03-2009, 02:06 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Disgustipate wrote:</cite><blockquote> For what is essentially the God of War, Rallos Zek has a pretty terrible track record of actually winning.</blockquote>This is true, in a very humerous kind of way.Put it this way, of all ancient cultures with a god that could be considered to resemble Zek, Ares of the Greek Pantheon is the only applicable example.Mars, of the Romans, was considered valious as a god of combat. Tyr of the Norse people was considered a god duels or other one on one combat, but was also the god of victory. Nergal of the Babylonians was considered the god of distruction, of which war was only one aspect (disease, sickness, pestilance, plauges and even summer were also aspects that were equal to war). The Egyptian goddess Sekhmet was the ancient Egyptian god of war and distruction, but was also considered a protector of teh Pharaohs (she is second in running as the closes to Rallos Zek, after Ares).Ares, god of war, was what could have only have been considered neutral. Sure, he took delight in killing those that opposed him, but that simply makes him a man (god) that enjoys his work. He was maticulous as to whom he would go to war with, and never fought just for the sake of fighting.He was worshiped by all members of Greek society any time Greece was at war, and daily by those living in Sparta (spartian children used to sacrifice puppies to him!). To say he is an evil god, and that only evil people should worship him, is to say all of ancient Greece was evil.While Rallos Zek may have entered combat on Norrath on multiple occasions, that was only as a means of leading the army of his own creation in to battle, like a parent fighting the battles of their child. He may delight in the killing of others on a battlefield, but he is still the only god of war that Norrath has, and as such should be worshipable by anyone on Norrath that ever goes to war.</blockquote>Last I checked, Mithanial Marr, wares Plate Armor and carries a HUGE sword, and atleast one order of Knights worship him.War for War's sake is Rallios's thing, but that doesn't mean that there are not other gods that don't like a good scrap, for the right reasons.For exsample, the Warriors defending Qeynos from agressors would be more likly to call on Mith Marr, to help them show thier Valor in protecting Qeynos, then calling on Rallios to give them strenght, especally consitering it is very likly Rallios that is the one doing the attacking in the first place.Quellious also has a very large number of warriors as followers, all monks(other then perhapse Swifttails, and that one order new order in DoF) are Quellious followers. Rangers are big on Tunare, and ofcourse all Dwarivn Warriors look to Brell.The truth is most of the Gods have thier own Warriors, who would call on them in the heat of battle. Remember, the Avatar of Tranquility was at the gates of Freeport fighting the Avatar of War durring the Second Rallosian War.

ke'la

09-03-2009, 02:09 PM

<cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't see them canceling next Erollisi Day, so I think that her apparent death is part of a larger plot to either resurrect her or elevate someone else to the position.Yes, Jethal has to rename his character because he becomes an NPC! Muwahahaha! Just kidding!!!</blockquote>They're not. In fact, they've already promised something special for the next Erollisi day. I have a feeling I know what it is <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Well time for some "Tin Foil hat" math.Something Speciall for E.Day wich is in Feb + New Halas in Feb along side of NOT "with" the expainsion + no diety "with" the expainsion + No new race "with" the expainsion = E.marr showing up in New Halas, creating a new PC Race of giant heart people, and becoming worshipable. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ke'la

09-03-2009, 02:10 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kander wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kander wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Devs! It's Erolissi! she deserves being clothed in her eternal sleep! Indeed! [/Takes cloak and covers the lifless form]</blockquote> Its a bug, its being fixed. Or was fixed, just needs to be patched to test.</blockquote>On that note could we fix the nude look ;p </blockquote>Umm. That is the bug.</blockquote>I think he ment "Fix the nude look" as in make her actually look naked. >_></blockquote>I think he ment "Fix the nude look" as in get ride of the Grunderwear. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Noaani

09-03-2009, 02:25 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Last I checked, Mithanial Marr, wares Plate Armor and carries a HUGE sword, and atleast one order of Knights worship him.</blockquote>He is a god of Valor, or courage.A soldier from Qeynos paying tribute to Valor before a war would be akin to a soldier from Freeport paying tribute to Fear before a war. A soldier from Qeynos may well want to be proven valious in battle, while a Freeport soldier may well want to instill fear in those they battle against. This is logical, and it is unlikely that the opposite would ever be true, based simply on the nature of the peoples from each city (obviously exceptions would happen, but they would be rare).Both soldiers, however, are still going to war. They should pay tribute accordingly.

ke'la

09-03-2009, 02:34 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Last I checked, Mithanial Marr, wares Plate Armor and carries a HUGE sword, and atleast one order of Knights worship him.</blockquote>He is a god of Valor, or courage.A soldier from Qeynos paying tribute to Valor before a war would be akin to a soldier from Freeport paying tribute to Fear before a war. A soldier from Qeynos may well want to be proven valious in battle, while a Freeport soldier may well want to instill fear in those they battle against. This is logical, and it is unlikely that the opposite would ever be true, based simply on the nature of the peoples from each city (obviously exceptions would happen, but they would be rare).Both soldiers, however, are still going to war. They should pay tribute accordingly.</blockquote>except odds are very good, that both soilders are fighting each other BECAUSE of Rallios.Do you really think that the citizens of Freeport prayed to the God of War, while his Avatar was beatting on thier gates with Soulfire? Remember he has Two Differant Wars named for him, and in both of them he was on the Bad Guys side, and against the majority of the player races.BTW, Athensians would never have prayed to Ares befor battle, they would have prayed to Athena, who accually is very much like Mith. Marr, in a number of ways.

Noaani

09-03-2009, 03:11 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>BTW, Athensians would never have prayed to Ares befor battle, they would have prayed to Athena</blockquote>Only if they were defending Athens.Also, not all ancient Greeks were from Athens.

Jethal

09-03-2009, 03:11 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't see them canceling next Erollisi Day, so I think that her apparent death is part of a larger plot to either resurrect her or elevate someone else to the position.Yes, Jethal has to rename his character because he becomes an NPC! Muwahahaha! Just kidding!!!</blockquote>Ha! they already tried to take "Silverwing" away from me.. even though I was here long before the stupid Dragon

Zabjade

09-03-2009, 04:08 PM

<cite>Jethal@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't see them canceling next Erollisi Day, so I think that her apparent death is part of a larger plot to either resurrect her or elevate someone else to the position.Yes, Jethal has to rename his character because he becomes an NPC! Muwahahaha! Just kidding!!!</blockquote>Ha! they already tried to take "Silverwing" away from me.. even though I was here long before the stupid Dragon</blockquote>I remember, perhaps they will rename you the Avater of Jethal ;p

Ascanius

09-03-2009, 04:12 PM

"BTW, Athensians would never have prayed to Ares befor battle, they would have prayed to Athena, who accually is very much like Mith. Marr, in a number of ways."Athena was the major god they prayed to not the only one,not every athensians prayed to her. The Trojans main god was Apollo but Hector many times pray to Zeus.Useing the greek as a references is a bad idea mainly becuase depending on the situation is who they prayed to. For example a greek archer would pray to Apollo for a clean shot on a enemy, but then when the same archer went sailing he would pray to Poseidon. The greeks rarely just worshiped just one god they were too afraid to [Removed for Content] off the other gods.

ke'la

09-03-2009, 05:27 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>BTW, Athensians would never have prayed to Ares befor battle, they would have prayed to Athena</blockquote>Only if they were defending Athens.Also, not all ancient Greeks were from Athens.</blockquote>True, that is why I said Athenians and not Greeks, just as Athenians wouldn't pray to a Spartan God of War(who was more a god of Bloodlust). Qeynosians wouldn't pray to the God of the Orcs, Ogres and Giants.

ke'la

09-03-2009, 05:31 PM

<cite>Spearous@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>"BTW, Athensians would never have prayed to Ares befor battle, they would have prayed to Athena, who accually is very much like Mith. Marr, in a number of ways."Athena was the major god they prayed to not the only one,not every athensians prayed to her. The Trojans main god was Apollo but Hector many times pray to Zeus.Useing the greek as a references is a bad idea mainly becuase depending on the situation is who they prayed to. For example a greek archer would pray to Apollo for a clean shot on a enemy, but then when the same archer went sailing he would pray to Poseidon. The greeks rarely just worshiped just one god they were too afraid to [Removed for Content] off the other gods.</blockquote>Zeus was the patriarc of the gods, ofcourse you would pray to him for help when you needed it. However, Athena was Athens Patron, and also just happened to be A God of War, and Stratagy(it was her that gave the trojans the idea for the horse). She also was Zeus's right hand, the only one he trusted with the location of his lightning bolts, and to carry his shield into battle.{EDIT}and yes the Greeks did thier best not to upset any of the gods, even when worshiping specific ones, but then again the Greek Gods where also more of a disfuntional family then mortal enemies, like we have on Norath.

Meirril

09-03-2009, 06:32 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Disgustipate wrote:</cite><blockquote> For what is essentially the God of War, Rallos Zek has a pretty terrible track record of actually winning.</blockquote>This is true, in a very humerous kind of way.Put it this way, of all ancient cultures with a god that could be considered to resemble Zek, Ares of the Greek Pantheon is the only applicable example.Mars, of the Romans, was considered valious as a god of combat. Tyr of the Norse people was considered a god duels or other one on one combat, but was also the god of victory. Nergal of the Babylonians was considered the god of distruction, of which war was only one aspect (disease, sickness, pestilance, plauges and even summer were also aspects that were equal to war). The Egyptian goddess Sekhmet was the ancient Egyptian god of war and distruction, but was also considered a protector of teh Pharaohs (she is second in running as the closes to Rallos Zek, after Ares).Ares, god of war, was what could have only have been considered neutral. Sure, he took delight in killing those that opposed him, but that simply makes him a man (god) that enjoys his work. He was maticulous as to whom he would go to war with, and never fought just for the sake of fighting.He was worshiped by all members of Greek society any time Greece was at war, and daily by those living in Sparta (spartian children used to sacrifice puppies to him!). To say he is an evil god, and that only evil people should worship him, is to say all of ancient Greece was evil.While Rallos Zek may have entered combat on Norrath on multiple occasions, that was only as a means of leading the army of his own creation in to battle, like a parent fighting the battles of their child. He may delight in the killing of others on a battlefield, but he is still the only god of war that Norrath has, and as such should be worshipable by anyone on Norrath that ever goes to war.</blockquote>You do know that Mars is the Roman version of Ares?Most of the greeks paid tribute to Ares when going to war. Athenians typically gave tribute only to Athena, but some gave tribute to both. Very few non-athenians would give tribute to Athena when going to war.Spartians took Ares to be their patron god. He was worshiped there as a part of every day life. That was unusual for the greeks, who for the most part didn't spend their entire lives either preparing for war or in conflict. Spartians were an insaine lot.FYI Tyr is more known for being "just" and "law abiding" than for duels. The Noris mythology doesn't have a god of war per se mainly because most of them could be considered "gods of war". Leaders would typically look up to Odin as the wise leader who would use tactics and hold sway over his people. Those that aspired to be great warriors on their own right would most likely aspire to be like Thor who was generally acknowledged to be the greatest of the warriors. Hardly anyone would actually aspire to be like Loki, but his stories might inspire some non-orthadox and cleaver deceptions used on the battlefield. Some might even remember Himdal's determination to hold the bridge to Asguard if they were defending their own homes.

Meirril

09-03-2009, 06:43 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote> <cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Last I checked, Mithanial Marr, wares Plate Armor and carries a HUGE sword, and atleast one order of Knights worship him.</blockquote>He is a god of Valor, or courage.A soldier from Qeynos paying tribute to Valor before a war would be akin to a soldier from Freeport paying tribute to Fear before a war. A soldier from Qeynos may well want to be proven valious in battle, while a Freeport soldier may well want to instill fear in those they battle against. This is logical, and it is unlikely that the opposite would ever be true, based simply on the nature of the peoples from each city (obviously exceptions would happen, but they would be rare).Both soldiers, however, are still going to war. They should pay tribute accordingly.</blockquote>except odds are very good, that both soilders are fighting each other BECAUSE of Rallios.Do you really think that the citizens of Freeport prayed to the God of War, while his Avatar was beatting on thier gates with Soulfire? Remember he has Two Differant Wars named for him, and in both of them he was on the Bad Guys side, and against the majority of the player races.BTW, Athensians would never have prayed to Ares befor battle, they would have prayed to Athena, who accually is very much like Mith. Marr, in a number of ways.</blockquote>Its kinda funny that both times Rallos was defeated by the greenmist because his army sacked Cazic's temple.The Norrathian diety system is a pathenon. Most likely the typical soldier defending Qeynos actually prayed to a number of gods that day. They probably would of started with the cities patron diety, Rodcent Knife. They probably would of moved on to Mithanial Mar to give them courage and fight honorably. In the next breath they could of prayed to Rallos for strength. Yes, even when faced by his army. They also might of prayed to Erollisi to look over their loved ones, Bristlebane for luck, Brell for strength (even courage), Cazic to not cause fear (i.e. spare us Cazic), or Quellious for inner peace. Almost nobody is going to pray to Quellious for victory, courage or strength. None of those are what she embodies, except to her most devouted worshipers.If anyone happened to be a devoted worshiper of a diety, of course most of their prayers went that direction. I'm sure plenty of prayers were said to Fennin Ro that day. There might of even been one to Veeshan. Maybe.I'm sure it didn't occure to anyone on the Qeynos side to pray to Cazic Thule for salvation, or victory. Apparently nobody remembers that Cazic destroyed the first Rallosian Army with the Greenmist. Probably nobody in Freeport did either. Most people want to be saved from Cazic, it never occures to them they could be saved by Cazic.

Cusashorn

09-03-2009, 09:04 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its kinda funny that both times Rallos was defeated by the greenmist because his army sacked Cazic's temple.I'm sure it didn't occure to anyone on the Qeynos side to pray to Cazic Thule for salvation, or victory. Apparently nobody remembers that Cazic destroyed the first Rallosian Army with the Greenmist. Probably nobody in Freeport did either. Most people want to be saved from Cazic, it never occures to them they could be saved by Cazic.</blockquote>Rallos was only released by the Greenmist once, and that was only the 2nd time it had been released in Norrath history. The first was against the Shissar. The 2nd was against the 2ND Rallosian army.

Noaani

09-03-2009, 11:42 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>True, that is why I said Athenians and not Greeks, just as Athenians wouldn't pray to a Spartan God of War(who was more a god of Bloodlust). Qeynosians wouldn't pray to the God of the Orcs, Ogres and Giants</blockquote>But the Greeks didn't have city based gods.Athena was the protector of Athens, and was as recognised by those in Sparta as it was by those in Athens. Those in Sparta were rarely called to defend Athens, so had no need to pay her tribute.The Spartans had no specific protector, they instead revered Ares above all else (they had a statue of him chained to the ground just outside Sparta). The Athenians also revered Ares when the time was right, which is to say any time they were at war.Rallos zek is not the god of Orcs Ogres and Giants, with no other portfolio. While he did create those races, among others, he is also the god of war on Norrath.

Noaani

09-03-2009, 11:46 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>You do know that Mars is the Roman version of Ares?</blockquote>The Romans adopted Greek mythology, but placed their own socially accepted behavoirs over the gods.Mars was more passive than Ares, as it was more acceptable in Greece to be agressive than it was in Roman society. On top of that, the stories and myths of the gods of both peoples were constantly being reinvented, retold and even created from nothing for the entire time the civilizations were active. The role of Mars changed during the Roman Empire, just as the role of Athena changed during the Greek.Just because they copied the system, does not make them identicle.

ke'la

09-04-2009, 07:20 AM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>True, that is why I said Athenians and not Greeks, just as Athenians wouldn't pray to a Spartan God of War(who was more a god of Bloodlust). Qeynosians wouldn't pray to the God of the Orcs, Ogres and Giants</blockquote>But the Greeks didn't have city based gods.Athena was the protector of Athens, and was as recognised by those in Sparta as it was by those in Athens. Those in Sparta were rarely called to defend Athens, so had no need to pay her tribute.The Spartans had no specific protector, they instead revered Ares above all else (they had a statue of him chained to the ground just outside Sparta). The Athenians also revered Ares when the time was right, which is to say any time they were at war.Rallos zek is not the god of Orcs Ogres and Giants, with no other portfolio. While he did create those races, among others, he is also the god of war on Norrath.</blockquote>For most of Anchent Greek History Sparta and Athens where bitter enemies, and only sided with each other when an outside threat (like the persians) threatened them both. For the most part they just glared at each other threatenly. As thier two socities where diometrically appossed to one another, kinda like the US and USSR. Also as Athena WAS the Athenes God of War, and more importaintly Stratagy, and unlike Aries never lost a fight, Athenans would always pray to her befor battle and carry her image befor them, not Aries.Besides she was Zeus's Favorate kid, while Aries many times apposed him...and it is always good to have Zeus's Favorate on your side.

Wilde_Night

09-04-2009, 07:35 AM

Don't forget Artemis, who was the goddess of the hunt. Erolissi seems like she is Artemis and Aphrodite combined.

Meirril

09-04-2009, 09:00 AM

<cite>Aeviel@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Don't forget Artemis, who was the goddess of the hunt. Erolissi seems like she is Artemis and Aphrodite combined.</blockquote>Closer to Freya from Norris Mythology, right down to having a twin brother. The main differences being that Erollisi isn't the goddess of the elves (yes the Norris had elves, and no they are nothing like Norrath elves), and Freya was primaraly interested in the hunt, her admiriers were interested in her beauty and chasity. Erollisi is better known for being the goddess of love than of the hunt.

Meirril

09-04-2009, 09:33 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its kinda funny that both times Rallos was defeated by the greenmist because his army sacked Cazic's temple.I'm sure it didn't occure to anyone on the Qeynos side to pray to Cazic Thule for salvation, or victory. Apparently nobody remembers that Cazic destroyed the first Rallosian Army with the Greenmist. Probably nobody in Freeport did either. Most people want to be saved from Cazic, it never occures to them they could be saved by Cazic.</blockquote>Rallos was only released by the Greenmist once, and that was only the 2nd time it had been released in Norrath history. The first was against the Shissar. The 2nd was against the 2ND Rallosian army.</blockquote>I had to do some research into what happen to the first army. While it isn't gone into in any great detail, non-cannon writing in EQ1 say that the first army was defeated on the plane of Earth and lots of EQ1 cannon lore supports the curse of the Rathe preventing the Rallosians from rebuilding their empire afterward.I'm not sure why I thought the greenmist defeated the first army as well. Hmm.

Rezikai

09-04-2009, 03:06 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its kinda funny that both times Rallos was defeated by the greenmist because his army sacked Cazic's temple.I'm sure it didn't occure to anyone on the Qeynos side to pray to Cazic Thule for salvation, or victory. Apparently nobody remembers that Cazic destroyed the first Rallosian Army with the Greenmist. Probably nobody in Freeport did either. Most people want to be saved from Cazic, it never occures to them they could be saved by Cazic.</blockquote>Rallos was only released by the Greenmist once, and that was only the 2nd time it had been released in Norrath history. The first was against the Shissar. The 2nd was against the 2ND Rallosian army.</blockquote>I had to do some research into what happen to the first army. While it isn't gone into in any great detail, non-cannon writing in EQ1 say that the first army was defeated on the plane of Earth and lots of EQ1 cannon lore supports the curse of the Rathe preventing the Rallosians from rebuilding their empire afterward.I'm not sure why I thought the greenmist defeated the first army as well. Hmm.</blockquote>You might be remembering something Vhalen told us, that when the Shissar empire was eradicated by the Greenmist in the ancient days, it was actually the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=186995�" target="_blank">2nd recorded</a> incident of its genocide, the more recent occurance in the age of War would have been the 3rd.

Cusashorn

09-04-2009, 03:18 PM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its kinda funny that both times Rallos was defeated by the greenmist because his army sacked Cazic's temple.I'm sure it didn't occure to anyone on the Qeynos side to pray to Cazic Thule for salvation, or victory. Apparently nobody remembers that Cazic destroyed the first Rallosian Army with the Greenmist. Probably nobody in Freeport did either. Most people want to be saved from Cazic, it never occures to them they could be saved by Cazic.</blockquote>Rallos was only released by the Greenmist once, and that was only the 2nd time it had been released in Norrath history. The first was against the Shissar. The 2nd was against the 2ND Rallosian army.</blockquote>I had to do some research into what happen to the first army. While it isn't gone into in any great detail, non-cannon writing in EQ1 say that the first army was defeated on the plane of Earth and lots of EQ1 cannon lore supports the curse of the Rathe preventing the Rallosians from rebuilding their empire afterward.I'm not sure why I thought the greenmist defeated the first army as well. Hmm.</blockquote>You might be remembering something Vhalen told us, that when the Shissar empire was eradicated by the Greenmist in the ancient days, it was actually the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=186995�" target="_blank">2nd recorded</a> incident of its genocide, the more recent occurance in the age of War would have been the 3rd.</blockquote>He also said "As Far Back As", indicating that it never happened before in recorded history.Whatever, the point being that it wasn't used against Rallos Zek the first time around. Thule wasn't even involved.

PsiaMeese

09-04-2009, 05:25 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well time for some "Tin Foil hat" math.Something Speciall for E.Day wich is in Feb + New Halas in Feb along side of NOT "with" the expainsion + no diety "with" the expainsion + No new race "with" the expainsion = E.marr showing up in New Halas, creating a new PC Race of giant heart people, and becoming worshipable. <img src="../images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Perhaps December's update will offer an additional tease? If so, I have to wonder if we are participating in the restoration of Erollisi that might culminate toward some of your suggestion? I doubt a new race. But a tie-in to New Halas would certainly conclude a fun arc.

Maergoth

09-04-2009, 09:02 PM

New GOD of love : The pick-up lines guy from Erollisi day.

Cusashorn

09-04-2009, 10:41 PM

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>New GOD of love : The pick-up lines guy from Erollisi day.</blockquote>Don't even go there. We don't need Ron Burgundy from the Anchorman as a god of anything.

Kamimura

09-05-2009, 12:24 AM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Egyptian goddess Sekhmet was the ancient Egyptian god of war and distruction, but was also considered a protector of teh Pharaohs (she is second in running as the closes to Rallos Zek, after Ares).</blockquote>Hmm.. I don't know about that last bit, she's really quite different from Zek when you get the whole picture. Sekhmet was more than war and bloodlust, she was the destructive aspect of the sun, but she didn't act without reason. She is justified destruction, not destruction - or war - without reason, not war for the sake of war. (Considering her title, The One Who Loves Ma'at and Detests Evil.) She also seen as having the power to bring plague and illness.. however, she had the power to drive away and destroy both, and much of her priesthood consisted of doctors. Not really in Zek's realm..

ke'la

09-05-2009, 01:55 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>New GOD of love : The pick-up lines guy from Erollisi day.</blockquote>Don't even go there. We don't need Ron Burgundy from the Anchorman as a god of anything.</blockquote>Even the god of Cheese... you know the ratmen would be all over that god. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Meirril

09-05-2009, 05:48 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>New GOD of love : The pick-up lines guy from Erollisi day.</blockquote>Don't even go there. We don't need Ron Burgundy from the Anchorman as a god of anything.</blockquote>Hmm...then how about Hal <Domino's Beta Assistant>?/playsound Too Sexy

Nakaru-Nitepaw

09-06-2009, 09:40 PM

One of my alts is a little white Ratonga girl about 6 years old, named Skutal, who wears a pink dress with bows, and she worships Erollisi Marr. The little mouse's heart is pure with love. How am I going to have Eschia break the news to her?

ke'la

09-06-2009, 10:23 PM

<cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>One of my alts is a little white Ratonga girl about 6 years old, named Skutal, who wears a pink dress with bows, and she worships Erollisi Marr. The little mouse's heart is pure with love. How am I going to have Eschia break the news to her?</blockquote>Remember, the power of lore is on the side of those telling Erollisi story, with that anything is possable. Including the return of a god from "death".

Terrius

09-07-2009, 08:40 PM

Is it even possible for a deity to truly die? I mean if they can why didnt the other gods just kill Anashti instead of banishing her to the void? To me it also sounded like the only being that could truely destroy a god was Theer, and that's why everyone ganged up and locked him in the void? IMO Erolissi isnt dead, she just needs time to reform/restrengthen so she can materialize in her plane. unless of course the plane of Love is totally destroyed/overrun and she cant reappear till it's repaired?

Cusashorn

09-08-2009, 12:45 AM

<cite>Tariuss@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is it even possible for a deity to truly die? I mean if they can why didnt the other gods just kill Anashti instead of banishing her to the void? To me it also sounded like the only being that could truely destroy a god was Theer, and that's why everyone ganged up and locked him in the void? IMO Erolissi isnt dead, she just needs time to reform/restrengthen so she can materialize in her plane. unless of course the plane of Love is totally destroyed/overrun and she cant reappear till it's repaired?</blockquote>If Druzzil Ro hadn't stepped in and created the time paradox in the Plane of Time, every mortal on Norrath would eventually learn how to become a god themselves, and how to destroy the very essence of what makes a god. In other words: Actual true death.We all know she's gonna come back. Even the Devs are smart enough to know that dropping a bomb on us like this will not bode well unless it turns for the better.

Nakaru-Nitepaw

09-08-2009, 05:27 AM

I dunno. It seems like the Devs have been on a recurring "mess with the players heads" act. First they give us a false impression our next expansion is going to be velious then they unvail odus. Next they do a racial trait change on test that nobody is happy with at all, now they kill off one of the gods we loved the most. I don't see the future being too well for everquest at this rate. No I'm not saying that i would leave over this, because that would be foolish unless they found a way to break my character like they did to my SWG wookiee fencer medic CH back in the day...

Cusashorn

09-08-2009, 08:23 AM

I'd say it's the player's fault if they assumed that Velious was the next expansion just because Ice has suddenly showed up in Kunark along with a group of invaders from the NORTH.Personally, I was never fooled.

ke'la

09-08-2009, 09:39 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd say it's the player's fault if they assumed that Velious was the next expansion just because Ice has suddenly showed up in Kunark along with a group of invaders from the NORTH.Personally, I was never fooled.</blockquote>I didn't think so eather, it was the player's hopes for Velious that drove them to assume it. I always thought that these where the guys that Vhalen was refering to when he talked about the great battles fought around Halas.

Rainmare

09-08-2009, 07:04 PM

I never saw 'wind from the North' when I say it the first time it was 'wind from across the sea' which is why I thought Velious, and frankly, honestly, I would have been perfectly happy if we never, ever, ever, ever, ever, set foot on Odus again. I was never a fan of the Erudites as a race at all, and there was nothing on Odus that I enjoyed to make up for it either.As to E.Marr, I think she'll be back, and we'll see her on Erollisi Day.

Cusashorn

09-08-2009, 09:37 PM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I never saw 'wind from the North' when I say it the first time it was 'wind from across the sea' which is why I thought Velious, and frankly, honestly, I would have been perfectly happy if we never, ever, ever, ever, ever, set foot on Odus again. I was never a fan of the Erudites as a race at all, and there was nothing on Odus that I enjoyed to make up for it either.As to E.Marr, I think she'll be back, and we'll see her on Erollisi Day.</blockquote>Not even Stonebrundt Mountains in all it's sheer beauty?

Morghus

09-08-2009, 11:12 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I never saw 'wind from the North' when I say it the first time it was 'wind from across the sea' which is why I thought Velious, and frankly, honestly, I would have been perfectly happy if we never, ever, ever, ever, ever, set foot on Odus again. I was never a fan of the Erudites as a race at all, and there was nothing on Odus that I enjoyed to make up for it either.As to E.Marr, I think she'll be back, and we'll see her on Erollisi Day.</blockquote>Not even Stonebrundt Mountains in all it's sheer beauty?</blockquote>That doesn't apply to anyone like myself who quit before that zone was even added to Odus. I myself for instance started playing near release and quit sometime after Velious, all I remember of Odus is the horrible Toxxulia forest and Paineel...and how much the Erudite race in general irritated me and continues to irritate me in eq2.

Cusashorn

09-08-2009, 11:18 PM

<cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I never saw 'wind from the North' when I say it the first time it was 'wind from across the sea' which is why I thought Velious, and frankly, honestly, I would have been perfectly happy if we never, ever, ever, ever, ever, set foot on Odus again. I was never a fan of the Erudites as a race at all, and there was nothing on Odus that I enjoyed to make up for it either.As to E.Marr, I think she'll be back, and we'll see her on Erollisi Day.</blockquote>Not even Stonebrundt Mountains in all it's sheer beauty?</blockquote>That doesn't apply to anyone like myself who quit before that zone was even added to Odus. I myself for instance started playing near release and quit sometime after Velious, all I remember of Odus is the horrible Toxxulia forest and Paineel...and how much the Erudite race in general irritated me and continues to irritate me in eq2.</blockquote>I'm sorry to hear that. You don't know what you missed out on.

Kaitheel

09-09-2009, 01:49 AM

I am glad to see so much excitment and speculation over the coming events! Let me assure you that Shards of Destiny (GU53) brings the next chapter in the Goddess of Love's story. It is not the end of the book. It was never intended to be.Kander and I have been looking forward to telling these stories for some time and we are glad to see them being explored and appreicated by those on the Test servers, currently.

Ascanius

09-09-2009, 02:36 AM

Maybe with this there be some more Order of Marr lore and Knights of Valor lore ;p cause ive been waiting for it .

Aurel

09-09-2009, 02:50 AM

<cite>Kaitheel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let me assure you that Shards of Destiny (GU53) brings the next chapter in the Goddess of Love's story. It is not the end of the book.</blockquote>*ears perk* I know that was just an analogy that happened to contain my favorite word, but heyyy, I won't object if you add a book into all of this somehow... I'll settle for a player-made book attributing you as the author! *grin**skulks back into lurking*

Meirril

09-09-2009, 08:38 PM

ke'la

09-09-2009, 09:09 PM

<cite>Aurelis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaitheel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let me assure you that Shards of Destiny (GU53) brings the next chapter in the Goddess of Love's story. It is not the end of the book.</blockquote>*ears perk* I know that was just an analogy that happened to contain my favorite word, but heyyy, I won't object if you add a book into all of this somehow... I'll settle for a player-made book attributing you as the author! *grin**skulks back into lurking*</blockquote>Yes, please once the final Chapter has been released please let us get it(as a quest reward) as a completed book.

Rainmare

09-11-2009, 11:16 PM

the only thing Stonebrunt was to me was a zone to run through on the way to Gunthak. it might have been pretty, but my hate of odus made sure I didn't stick around to even think to appreciate it.

Meirril

09-12-2009, 07:09 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the only thing Stonebrunt was to me was a zone to run through on the way to Gunthak. it might have been pretty, but my hate of odus made sure I didn't stick around to even think to appreciate it.</blockquote>You didn't miss much. Lore for the zone was half done, and badly at that. There were some possible ring events there, but they were buggy if they were intended for ring events. The re-skinned brown bears turned pandas were nice looking. The re-skinned Velious "grizzly bears" (aka upright walking monstrosities that look more like the flesh golems in EQ2 than actual bears) looked...umm...just like black and white versions of the utterly unconvincing velious grizzly bears. You never got the impression that they were anything other than animal intelligence monsterous bears though. The video that came out of Fan Fair of the EQ2 panda was awsome! I'm really really hoping that's a playable race.I don't think its likey, but it would be awesome.They did a really respectable job of arranging trees and rocks with a gradually rising landscape. It isn't nearly as beautiful as Twilight Sea was, but Stonebrunt had its own charm. In general though, it was a filler zone with nothing of particular use or significants aside from being a way to get to the stupid ship to the even more stupid expansion. Come to think about it, I think I liked Stonebrunt better than the entire OOW expansion. Not that I really explored the place before I stopped playing EQ1 to beta EQ2, but from day 1 I perty much thought OOW was unplayable. OOW was kinda like RoK on day one, except instead of starting in KP imagine you started in Karnor's Castle and the next zone over was Sebilis and your still running around in EoF gear.

Cusashorn

09-12-2009, 11:04 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the only thing Stonebrunt was to me was a zone to run through on the way to Gunthak. it might have been pretty, but my hate of odus made sure I didn't stick around to even think to appreciate it.</blockquote>You didn't miss much. Lore for the zone was half done, and badly at that. There were some possible ring events there, but they were buggy if they were intended for ring events. The re-skinned brown bears turned pandas were nice looking. The re-skinned Velious "grizzly bears" (aka upright walking monstrosities that look more like the flesh golems in EQ2 than actual bears) looked...umm...just like black and white versions of the utterly unconvincing velious grizzly bears. You never got the impression that they were anything other than animal intelligence monsterous bears though. The video that came out of Fan Fair of the EQ2 panda was awsome! I'm really really hoping that's a playable race.I don't think its likey, but it would be awesome.They did a really respectable job of arranging trees and rocks with a gradually rising landscape. It isn't nearly as beautiful as Twilight Sea was, but Stonebrunt had its own charm. In general though, it was a filler zone with nothing of particular use or significants aside from being a way to get to the stupid ship to the even more stupid expansion. Come to think about it, I think I liked Stonebrunt better than the entire OOW expansion. Not that I really explored the place before I stopped playing EQ1 to beta EQ2, but from day 1 I perty much thought OOW was unplayable. OOW was kinda like RoK on day one, except instead of starting in KP imagine you started in Karnor's Castle and the next zone over was Sebilis and your still running around in EoF gear.</blockquote>To each his own. I liked Twilight Sea, but in my opinion, Stonebrundt Mountains, Kerra Ridge, Erud's Crossing, Highpass, and Highkeep were my favorite zones in the game. The atmosphere all of them gave off was just perfect. Highpass reminded me of the Sierra Nevada mountain range that I grew up in. Odus' tropical settings were just all around beautiful.The lore behind Stonebrundt was fairly fleshed out too. You just needed to know where to look.Those bipedal Bears they introduced in Velious are called Kodiaks, btw. The Panda NPC race will be interesting to see, since they're gonna put so much detail into idle animations and make them as an entire race all thier own.

ke'la

09-12-2009, 12:25 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>the only thing Stonebrunt was to me was a zone to run through on the way to Gunthak. it might have been pretty, but my hate of odus made sure I didn't stick around to even think to appreciate it.</blockquote>You didn't miss much. Lore for the zone was half done, and badly at that. There were some possible ring events there, but they were buggy if they were intended for ring events. The re-skinned brown bears turned pandas were nice looking. The re-skinned Velious "grizzly bears" (aka upright walking monstrosities that look more like the flesh golems in EQ2 than actual bears) looked...umm...just like black and white versions of the utterly unconvincing velious grizzly bears. You never got the impression that they were anything other than animal intelligence monsterous bears though. The video that came out of Fan Fair of the EQ2 panda was awsome! I'm really really hoping that's a playable race.I don't think its likey, but it would be awesome.They did a really respectable job of arranging trees and rocks with a gradually rising landscape. It isn't nearly as beautiful as Twilight Sea was, but Stonebrunt had its own charm. In general though, it was a filler zone with nothing of particular use or significants aside from being a way to get to the stupid ship to the even more stupid expansion. Come to think about it, I think I liked Stonebrunt better than the entire OOW expansion. Not that I really explored the place before I stopped playing EQ1 to beta EQ2, but from day 1 I perty much thought OOW was unplayable. OOW was kinda like RoK on day one, except instead of starting in KP imagine you started in Karnor's Castle and the next zone over was Sebilis and your still running around in EoF gear.</blockquote>To each his own. I liked Twilight Sea, but in my opinion, Stonebrundt Mountains, Kerra Ridge, Erud's Crossing, Highpass, and Highkeep were my favorite zones in the game. The atmosphere all of them gave off was just perfect. Highpass reminded me of the Sierra Nevada mountain range that I grew up in. Odus' tropical settings were just all around beautiful.The lore behind Stonebrundt was fairly fleshed out too. You just needed to know where to look.Those bipedal Bears they introduced in Velious are called Kodiaks, btw. The Panda NPC race will be interesting to see, since they're gonna put so much detail into idle animations and make them as an entire race all thier own.</blockquote>It isn't just the Panda's that have great idol animation, there are a number of other NPCs they showed that also had some cool, and Multiple idol animations.

Zabjade

09-17-2009, 08:45 PM

<cite>Kaitheel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am glad to see so much excitment and speculation over the coming events! Let me assure you that Shards of Destiny (GU53) brings the next chapter in the Goddess of Love's story. It is not the end of the book. It was never intended to be.Kander and I have been looking forward to telling these stories for some time and we are glad to see them being explored and appreicated by those on the Test servers, currently.</blockquote>I'm guessing this will build up to next Erollisi day and a possible attempt to revive Erollisi Marr by the goods, twisted the goods mission by the evils (Twisted Love) with the possibility of Erollisi herself manifesting as either a godling or a ghost and elevating a secret child of hers to her place.

Cusashorn

09-18-2009, 12:28 AM

Zabjade

09-18-2009, 02:51 AM

It could happen..../ponder

Meirril

09-18-2009, 07:57 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaitheel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am glad to see so much excitment and speculation over the coming events! Let me assure you that Shards of Destiny (GU53) brings the next chapter in the Goddess of Love's story. It is not the end of the book. It was never intended to be.Kander and I have been looking forward to telling these stories for some time and we are glad to see them being explored and appreicated by those on the Test servers, currently.</blockquote>I'm guessing this will build up to next Erollisi day and a possible attempt to revive Erollisi Marr by the goods, twisted the goods mission by the evils (Twisted Love) with the possibility of Erollisi herself manifesting as either a godling or a ghost and elevating a secret child of hers to her place.</blockquote>Why exactly would any of the dieties need mortals to help reform them? Back in PoP adventurers killed them on a fairly regular basis. They reformed. They got tired of mortals challenging them on their own plane and thus the entire plan to withdraw from Norrath was born. Why is it 500 years later that this attack, whatever it was, is worse?True, it was a trap laid by Innoruuk to possibly imprison or destroy Mithanial. Innoruuk admitted during the last live event it didn't go as planned, but he was happy with the results. It is possible that Erollisi is truely dead, but its just as likely that she will recover.It doesn't mean she'll recover and be the exact same being that we've known. It also is possible that another could raise in her place and usurp her position in the pathenon. But, we're talking about love here. Wouldn't anyone that embodies that emotion have a natural affinity towards the current diety? Wouldn't it make more sense for the would-be replacement to instead work towards aiding in Erollisi's revival?There is a possability that Innoruuk could attemtp to seat a new god of Love, one that wouldn't of herd about Erollisi perferably. The best possible case from his position would be for there to be both Erollisi and another diety both with a real claim to the position. This way their power base would be split and neither diety would be in a real position to oppose him. In this way, Mithanial would loose an ally and conversly Innoruuk would become more powerful, especially if he could cause hate between the followers of both love dieties.