/reroll t4 Illy set

[jasinner]

<p><quote>The set bonuses to Prismatic Chaos V on the TSO and RoK illusionist raid armor no longer stack.</quote></p><p>As an Illy I'm sad but not really surprised by this.  This was giving a utility class monster dps potential.</p><p>The big news here is that this nerf makes what was already an extremely unpopular set of high-end armor completely useless.  The only real reason besides the prismatic adornment increase to wear the t4 set was the relatively high critical mitigation found on the pieces for some of the more difficult fights in the game.  With the the critical mitigation of non-set piece instanced gear poised to be increased, nobody will now take this set seriously.  Lets breakdown the set bonuses:</p><p>2) Adds a 5% base damage to Manacloak.  Assume this could give a 5% dps increase for your groupmates for the 30 seconds (the spells maximum duration) every 3 minutes (the reuse of the spell).  This spell is best used in a situation where your groupmates are down power and are expected to take some incoming damage.  This means to receive the full benefit of the base damage you want to cast it at a time when it is not going to actually give you power thus making the spell itself useless except as a vessel for a little extra dps.</p><p>4) The aforementioned 2 extra charges of Prismatic Chaos V that will no longer stack with the VP set.  The problem here is that the VP set (which is much easier to obtain btw) gives the extra Prismatic Chaos charges for a two piece bonus.  Any illusionist  with a brain desiring 2 extra charges of Prismatic Chaos is now going to wear two pieces of VP set gear because this will allow them to wear all sorts of gear of their chosing to improve themselves where the TSO set requires 4 pieces of the set to be worn, none of which are especially awesome from a pure stats standpoint.</p><p>5) A damage proc with a debuff function.  Not necessarily terrible but as mentioned before, because most illys are now going to wear 2 pieces of the VP set with a bunch of other random gear, nobody is ever going to have 5 pieces to get this bonus.  The benefit of this proc is nothing compared to the benefit of wearing a bunch  of non t4 set gear.</p><p>6) Focus Synergism IV.  Its decent but again, if illys aren't going to be sporting the 5 piece bonus, they are certainly not going to be sporting this.  The benefits of wearing other better gear outweighs this.</p><p>What annoys about this set is that for something supposed to be higher-end, few higher end players are actually going to use it.  The stats and bonuses seem to have been ill thought out.  With the change to Prismatic Chaos (which I am not arguing) and the increase to crit mit of non-set gear the t4 set has transformed from a joke to a waste of a spot on a loot table.</p><p>Change the bonuses to proc fireworks on spell attacks.  Somebody might actually wear this sometime then.</p>

[Lai]

<p>100% agree!!!</p><p>As it is now as an end game raiding Illusionist, there is not 1 reason to wear 1 SINGLE PIECE of TSO set gear!!!  DPS will be better with the following....</p><p>Helm:  Hood of the Lightning Rider</p><p>BP:  Ancient Robe of the Disciple</p><p>Shoulders:  Mantle of the Void-Caller</p><p>Forarms:  RoK VP Set</p><p>Legs:  Pantaloons of Deadly Prowess</p><p>Feet:  RoK VP Set</p><p>Gloves:  Dark Mail Gauntlets</p><p>..... and even with this set up still @ 76% crit mit.... So yeah SoE... change our set bonuses.... this is [Removed for Content]...</p>

[hugh1]

<p>/agree Illus set really needs some reworking.</p><p>Its abit bad and not great at all, esp the bp /puke</p><p>Though my illus is my alt so id get some feedback of the raiders for what to put on it since soe doesnt seem to know <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Korrupt]

<p>Is it correct that the illy set bp still after all this time is broken with it's effect? It's a shame soe can put so much time and effort in to nerfing people but can leave items broken for so long without lifting a finger to do anything about it.</p>

[Aeralik]

<p><cite>Korrupt@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Is it correct that the illy set bp still after all this time is broken with it's effect? It's a shame soe can put so much time and effort in to nerfing people but can leave items broken for so long without lifting a finger to do anything about it.</p></blockquote><p>I fixed the bp set effect this morning to correctly upgrade the Dynamism proc.  That should be going out with our next hotfix from what I understand.  So you should see it working correctly this week or early next week at the latest.</p>

[Korrupt]

<p>Thanks for the update, it's unexpected and much appreciated.</p>

[TwistedFaith]

<p><cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Korrupt@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Is it correct that the illy set bp still after all this time is broken with it's effect? It's a shame soe can put so much time and effort in to nerfing people but can leave items broken for so long without lifting a finger to do anything about it.</p></blockquote><p>I fixed the bp set effect this morning to correctly upgrade the Dynamism proc.  That should be going out with our next hotfix from what I understand.  So you should see it working correctly this week or early next week at the latest.</p></blockquote><p>Thats great but what about the main point about the set bonus on the TSO pieces?</p><p>As a developer I cant understand how you can just ignore it, its very annoying to the playerbase when a complete TSO set for a class is simply pointless. It is incredibly frustrating to raid and have pretty much the main drops of your class be subpar compared to the previous tier.Why not simply change the TSO 2 piece bonus to at least match the VP 2 set bonus, its not perfect but damm its better than what we have now.</p><p>I have a REALLY bad feeling that chanters are going to get the short end of the stick in the next expansion in terms of poor AAs and loot. We are already seeing a lot of 'nerf by gear' going on for the chanter classes.</p>

[Noaani]

<p>The developers tried to use equipment to bring enchanter DPS back in line with where it should be during TSO.</p><p>Unfortunatly, by making the enchanter sets close to worthless, and by putting in other options for DPS gear, they totally missed the mark on that goal, left chanters in roughly the same spot in terms of DPS, and gave them both crap sets.</p>

[Faenril]

Well, just wear non set pieces like everybody else, because I don't see them boosting the illy set anytime soon. They've been told the illy set is junk since TSO beta and you see where we are now... The sad thing is I'm afraid this will end up as a nerf to non set pieces now <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[zormik]

<p>The only reason i wear some tso setpieces is cause of the 4-set bonus to Prismatic Adornment and actually cause i don't have the Hood of the Lightning Rider yet.</p><p>Now that they won't stack anymore with the rok 2-set bonus, i'll just drop the tso setpieces and go like this:</p><p>Helm:  Hood of the Lightning Rider (still have to loot it)BP:  Ancient Robe of the DiscipleShoulders:  Mantle of the Void-CallerForearms:  RoK VP SetLegs:  Pantaloons of Deadly ProwessFeet:  RoK VP SetGloves:  Dark Mail Gauntlets</p><p>Also a bit offtopic, note that there is only ONE avatarpeice in this list. And this is the best armorbuilt for chanters anyways (even with the bonusses still stacking atm).</p><p>Tso Setpieces have been absolutely awful for enchanters.  I know you guys did that to try and balance the dps from illusionists. If you looked in the past to the dps we could dish out, yes it was high, but it was on trash without any damageshields.  Whereas in rok we were close or randomly even could top parses, this is no longer the case in tso, espescially with the procchanges. We dropped a big chunk down the dpsladder.</p><p>They seem to forgot that a fast caster looses a lot of his dps potential with all these crazy damageshields we have in TSO. So for actual content that matters, illusionist are not really that OP in a dps point of view.</p>

[zormik]

<p><cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Korrupt@Najena wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Is it correct that the illy set bp still after all this time is broken with it's effect? It's a shame soe can put so much time and effort in to nerfing people but can leave items broken for so long without lifting a finger to do anything about it.</p></blockquote><p>I fixed the bp set effect this morning to correctly upgrade the Dynamism proc.  That should be going out with our next hotfix from what I understand.  So you should see it working correctly this week or early next week at the latest.</p></blockquote><p>No offense, but even fixed it's still not worth wearing.</p>

[Andu]

<p>Just wanted to add my agreement to the OP.</p><p>I currently wear 4 pieces of TSO set gear. As I am in a non-avatar killing guild this was the best setup for me. With the removal of the stacking (which I <span style="text-decoration: underline;">don't</span> agree with btw, our dps potential is now spot on from what I have observed following the proc nerf) I have no intention of wearing one piece.</p><p>The 2 set bonus in particular is dross, mainly because it has been put onto manacloak, which is not up for long enough.</p><p>The 4, 5 and 6 set bonus is simply too weak to justify using the set pieces when compared with alternatives available from raid mobs in the same progression (i.e. not using gear available by killing harder mobs).</p><p>The chest piece is just terrible. I have been watching my guildmates bidding lots of DKP for their chest pieces and been surprised by the interesting and powerful effects on most of them. The illusionist robe is worse than the VP robe by a mile, and that was far from stellar. Why another proc or two of Prismatic Chaos couldn't go on this (in the same way as Coercers) is beyond me. Perhaps it can now you have nerfed the other stacking issue.</p>

[Xanoth]

<p>Totally agree with all of the above.</p><p>See Charmeur's post for what most Illu would be wearing (assuming they can, even those that aren't killing avatars there are comparable options that are better than the TSO Illusionist set) . </p><p>6 set bonus is nice, but it doesn't come close to making up what is lost.</p><p>I really don't think Fyreflyte should be trying to force "class balance" by giving some classes a pathetic excuse for a class set.</p><p>If something needs addressing, deal with it directly.</p>