View Full Version : Cuirass of the High Priest feedback on behalf of Clerics.
Avirodar
08-21-2009, 01:54 PM
<p>The nerfs to the Avatar loot "Cuirass of the High priest", make it significantly worse than the TSO raid set BP "Unholy Breastplate of the Rift". Here are some reasons why.If you compare Avatar BP vs Set BP on a standalone, individual basis, the Avatar and Set BP's look very comparable, with not a lot between them. However, that is not an accurate representation of reality. The reality is, most clerics who put on a TSO set BP, do so as their 6th item of the set. This grants a 6 set bonus of "+10 heal crit bonus", which significantly changes the dynamic of which BP is better.</p><p>Set Breastplate : +15 heal crit bonus (+10 from 6set, +5 from item)Avatar Cuirass : +7 heal crit bonusThis means that the set BP gives an extra 8 heal crit bonus, it also gives an additional 20% bonus to the group heal. This destroys anything the Avatar BP gives.I know if I do not say it, some clueless noob will chime in about how you can wear 6 set pieces and the avatar BP. The answer is no, you can not. The Rune Etched Helm and Faded Black Hood have the helm slot location on lockdown. The BP is the make or break slot as to wether or not you get a 6 set bonus as a cleric. This means the Avatar BP has to more than compensate for that variance. It does not.There is no question that the current nerf as seen on test, makes the Avatar BP inferior to the Set BP.</p>
Tehom
08-21-2009, 02:00 PM
<p>Well said.</p><p>The procs on the Cuirass of the High Priest and Ancient Tunic of the Oracle are also a lot worse than the procs on the set breastplates, too. The ward from oracle tunic is just terrible.</p>
LardLord
08-21-2009, 04:14 PM
<p>I don't have the avatar BPs, but I wouldn't have even been all that excited to get them <em>before</em> the nerf. I like the proc and the focus on the Inquisitor set BP, and with the 6-set bonus being taken into acount, 15 crit bonus can be considered pretty much the equal of 15 base healing.</p><p>The only way the Live version of the avatar healer BPs would become significantly more powerful than the set BPs is if future itemization encourages us to break up our T4 set. </p><p>The nerfs on these items seem unnecessary. If your hating +base stuff, maybe replace it with 15 crit bonus.</p><p>EDIT: I just realized +base and crit bonus have very different effects on wards, so my suggestion is really just made from an Inquisitor's perspective.</p>
ShamusOB
08-21-2009, 04:42 PM
<p>This item as it is on test will be baged or Sacraficed to the gods cuz im not a transmuter.</p><p>If you want to take points away from it take the points from the heal crit and the proc. Leave the base alone or this item becomes garbage not worth wearing over the set BP.</p>
Crismorn
08-25-2009, 06:28 PM
<p>Right now I wear</p><p>Set legs, shoulders, forearms and boots</p><p>Ethereal Mist Gauntlets</p><p>Rune-etched Helm</p><p>Avatar bp</p><p>The only piece I should have to upgrade in that scenario would be the Faded Black helm off gozak, but if this nerf goes out my set bp and set gloves will be better than what Im currently wearing.</p><p>Is it your intention that I should seek my set bp so I can upgrade from my avatar bp? I dont even have my set bp yet, I've let alts and recruits get it for months in fact I have probably let it go 5+ times after every other main in my guild got it.</p><p>Why do you think our set bp should be better than an avatar bp?</p><p>Please just drop the crit mit to 20, drop the heal crit if you have to but leave the base healing as is, on average this bp will drop a total of 1 time every 30-50 days per server</p>
slippery
08-25-2009, 09:11 PM
The ONLY reason clerics wear the set BP right now is because of the REH/FBH and EMG. If one of those slots was not taken I would 100% wear my 6 set for the crit bonus over the base heal as the Avatar BP is on live right now before the nerf because quite frankly 15 crit bonus > 15 base heal, plus my group would have extra hp and the set bp proc.
Avirodar
09-23-2009, 12:29 PM
<p>As expected, SOE failed to act upon the advice above, and now there is no question, no doubt, that the Avatar plate BP is inferior to the T4 set pattern BP. I now have to get the set pattern BP that I have passed on several times over, so I can throw my rare avatar loot BP in the bank.Congratulations on failing, SOE. A fail well done.I am not very impressed.</p>
Tehom
09-23-2009, 02:04 PM
<p>All the priest breastplates are markedly inferior to the set breastplates now. If they're completely unwilling to give us base healing on the avatar breastplates, what they need to do is make the procs far superior to the procs and focus effects on the set breastplate. Right now on live, the focus effect on the defiler set breastplate might even outperform Ancient Tunic of the Oracle's ward proc, and I'd be surprised if the proc'd damage reductions on the set breastplates for inquisitors/templar wouldn't outperform the cuirass of the high priest.</p><p>Before Ancient Tunic of the Oracle's proc went unmodifiable, its ward proc usually healed about 5 times less on my parses than rune etched helm. Faded Black Hood would have outperformed it by a larger margin. The procs on the avatar priest breastplates need to be large enough to be competitive for other ward procs we would consider breaking our sets for. Bumping up ancient tunic of the oracle to a 5k ward proc would at least make a good argument for using it over the set breastplate, despite inferior stats, loss of the focus, and the loss of the group damage proc.</p><p>You could be more creative than that, too. If you added an effect like a percentile max health increase similar to symbol of the faydark and an additional mitigation increase similar to byzola or gynok belts that stacked with everything, there'd be compelling reasons to use them despite loss of other healer stats.</p><p>We're not asking for the world, here. I just want a compelling reason, even if it's situational, to use an ultra-rare avatar breastplate over the common set breastplates we give away as party favors.</p>
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