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showdownEQ2

08-16-2009, 10:11 AM

Level 80 Assassin needs lots of help for raids. Only getting 3-4k dps. I am currently in work, but it really bugging me about my dps as it’s shockingly low. Not sure what I am doing wrong, I just hope it’s the weapon and or my casting order (as it is somthing that can be rectified with some help. Would it increase my dps, if I increased my int?What is the cap for str? My stats from Eq2 players – Health 8,241Power 6,756Strength 845 (unbuffed in raids it hit 1200)Agility 442Stamina 423Intelligence 280Wisdom 52Attack 1,786Critical - 44% (not on Eq2players)Not going to bother with the resists, as looking for advise on DPS I need to upgrade my weapons so I have started by epic quest. Primary - Spell forged Skewer,Secondary - Anaphylaxis Bow - Snaggle Toothed Bow My char link for current items. – not sure if I have gone for the right shard armor, going for the ravager set: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=585788102" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=585788102</a> AA setup – Predator tree Bounty – 1 Archer's Agility 4/8 Point Blank Shot 8/8 Fitness 4/8 Ranged Expertise 6/8 Poise 1/1 Blademaster's Strength 6/8 Bladed Opening 4/8 Intercepting Blades 4/8 Precision of Blades 8/8 Perfectionist 1/1 Nightshade's Intelligence 5/8 Poison Combination 4/8 Neurotoxic Coating 4/8 Toxic Expertise 8/8 Assassin Tree – Bleeding Enhance: Quick Strike 5/5 Enhance: Gash 5/5 Enhance: Impale 4/5 Enhance: Assassin's Mark 3/5 Enhance: Hidden Assault 4/5 Excessive Bleeding 1/1 Physicality Enhance: Sprint 0/5 Enhance: Honed Reflexes 3/5 Enhance: Murderous Focus 3/5 Poisons Enhance: Spikes 5/5 Enhance: Hemotoxin Poison 0/5 Enhance: Ignorant Bliss Poison 5/5 Enhance: Attribute Poison 5/5 Enhance: Apply Poison 5/5 Frontload 1/1 Tricks Enhance: Cheap Shot 5/5 Enhance: Torture 5/5 Enhance: Cut Throat 0/5 Enhance: Numbing Strike 0/5 Enhance: Cripple 5/5 Repeated Stabbing 1/1 Not sure on my casting order as I am in work, usually start off with bleeds, then go for the big attacks and follow up. Need to log on to to get my list of spells up. What is the concelment chain? been a while, and due to raids need to get my attacks in order!!!!!!Spell – all Masters except for 1 spell, which getting for free in 5days (whirling blades (I think))

Kunaak

08-16-2009, 04:30 PM

Would it increase my dps, if I increased my int? increasing your INT increases the amount of damage your poisons do, including your one group member buff "Apply Toxins". What is the cap for str? 1220 last I knew.the old formula was level x 15 +20 = current cap. or for L80 - 80 x 15 = 1200 + 20 = 1220. cap for say 65 would be 65 x 15 = 975 + 20 = 995. your AA's and such are fine.what I see is a very low grade of gear, and lack of experience with the class.so the gear is easy to work on, go do COA - get yourself a carotidcutter.work on your epic, get that done.get yourself a full T2 set of gear.get yourself a bloodthirsty choker - thats your main piece of gear for quite sometime.work on masters as you can. in the meantime, you have a bigger fish to fry - you dont know what your concealment chain is... and thats bad.you need to really take some time on the training dummy, and work out a good concealment chain, cause thats 90% of what you need to be doing for max DPS.that and get use to running masked strike and quick strike as often as its up.also getting your auto attacks down solid is crucial for when you get your mythical. if you raid, some easy pieces of gear I can suggest, the captains moldering flesh cord, and naga belt from tombs are great.dont bother with the Ill-forged Tunic from the naga - its a piece of junk.my DPS consistently went down with it, and my T2 BP was always better.do WOE often, and get your T3 BP if you can, and any other armor out of there you can, the set is great, and far easier to get then T4 gear. theres lots of DPS gear in there too, so use that zone to gear up any time you can. ah, the first name in Palace drops a excellent earring, I still havent replaced it, and we can almost clear palace (no kills on anashti yet) but over all, learn a good concealment chain, and finish it with fatal follow up. learn when and when not to use temp buffs like frontload and exacting, and use them often. oh yeah, and one thing to always remember.the better the group or raid is parsing, the better you will be parsing.if your group is parsing 2k, your not magically gonna be parsing 15k. (unless you waste execute) so have ACT up, and watch where you end up on DPS, are you topping your groups parse?see, if the raids parse as a whole sucks, yours isnt gonna be astronomically better.theres alot that goes into learning how to play an assassin... this is just some basics.

showdownEQ2

08-17-2009, 07:10 AM

Been away from the game for a while, and never new that it was called concealment chain and it's what i already do..But I don't stand close enough to the target so I miss out on allot of auto attacks <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, which is not good. Ok i need to work on my int, as it is really low at th moment if it help proc's.I do need to learn when to use the proc's/buffs. at the moment just spamming them when they come up <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Going to check up those upgrade you advised <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />And thanks for the advise.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Draylore

08-18-2009, 02:15 PM

I just recently got this Assassin to 80 and am also looking for advice/info on how to get better DPS.I powerleved myself up using my other account so I really was not well practiced at playing Assassin but have been making alot of headway since making 80. Most raids that I have attended.....WoE & older RoK I getting between 4-7kDPS so have alot of work to do.Groups is where I find I am having the most trouble......2-3k at best and I am also finding myself burning thru power like crazy. I always thought my Guardian was a power spong but nowhere near as bad as my Assassin.Ive used the target dummy to try to get a good concel chain....and when I am able to get thru it my DPS is pretty nice considering my gear.Gear is odd mix....2 T1 pieces, 2 T3 pieces and the rest odds and ends from instances. I use Fabled Epic + carotidcutterWith any luck will be able to get my Myth in the next week or two.

Kunaak

08-19-2009, 04:16 PM

alittle to expand on what I meant of "when not to use temp buffs" and such.frontload and exacting provide a great deal of a DPS increase for a short period of time for us. but they are both on fairly long timers of 3 minutes, and only last about 30 seconds each. so say your in palace clearing trash and about 2 kills away from pulling the first name. the trash goes down in about 15 seconds each... so if you blow your buffs on the trash, you wont have them for the name. in my opinion, its far more important to have your best stuff available for the names, then have a high parse on trash.so in that case, I'd just get a decent parse on the last 2 kills, saving the buffs and execute for the names. if you know you have a few minute long fight on the name, use the temp buffs early, and then by the time you get to the second name in the encounter (the one you froze) your buffs should be up again. I perfer to leave execute up for the last 10% of a names life, usually squeeze it in on by concealment chain, hit execute - then finish with fatal follow up, and that last 2-3 hits will easily hit for over 100+k if done right (a good execute for me, is about 75k, a good fatal follow up 30k, and mortal blade lately just seems ridiculous on damage near the end of my concealment chain)honed reflexs and the other one... the DPS buff one... I always forget the name of that one, those are my last resort buffs, I dont like to use them, cause it screws with my personal pattern on timing auto attacks, so I tend to save them as a last resort, like on fights where power drain is a issue (zarrakon and such)one last piece of gear advice.forget about using point blank shot, and get yourself a "Dagger of Marnek" off the broker. its the best ranged item you can get DPS wise till you get a ranged weapon off zarrakon, or maybe that satchel from VP... the 4 crit, 7DPS one. theres also a decent satchel from anathema in everfrost, but personally, the dagger of marnek is still better in my opinion, as 2 crit, 2 double attack, and 51 CA mod, is hard to beat on a single item. with the dagger of marnek you have unlimited ammo (clicky every 15 minutes gives you ammo) but you lose point blank shot - which personally I never liked, its got a long recovery time on it.

RafaelSmith

08-19-2009, 04:37 PM

<cite>Kunaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>alittle to expand on what I meant of "when not to use temp buffs" and such.frontload and exacting provide a great deal of a DPS increase for a short period of time for us. but they are both on fairly long timers of 3 minutes, and only last about 30 seconds each. so say your in palace clearing trash and about 2 kills away from pulling the first name. the trash goes down in about 15 seconds each... so if you blow your buffs on the trash, you wont have them for the name. in my opinion, its far more important to have your best stuff available for the names, then have a high parse on trash.so in that case, I'd just get a decent parse on the last 2 kills, saving the buffs and execute for the names. if you know you have a few minute long fight on the name, use the temp buffs early, and then by the time you get to the second name in the encounter (the one you froze) your buffs should be up again. I perfer to leave execute up for the last 10% of a names life, usually squeeze it in on by concealment chain, hit execute - then finish with fatal follow up, and that last 2-3 hits will easily hit for over 100+k if done right (a good execute for me, is about 75k, a good fatal follow up 30k, and mortal blade lately just seems ridiculous on damage near the end of my concealment chain)honed reflexs and the other one... the DPS buff one... I always forget the name of that one, those are my last resort buffs, I dont like to use them, cause it screws with my personal pattern on timing auto attacks, so I tend to save them as a last resort, like on fights where power drain is a issue (zarrakon and such)one last piece of gear advice.forget about using point blank shot, and get yourself a "Dagger of Marnek" off the broker. its the best ranged item you can get DPS wise till you get a ranged weapon off zarrakon, or maybe that satchel from VP... the 4 crit, 7DPS one. theres also a decent satchel from anathema in everfrost, but personally, the dagger of marnek is still better in my opinion, as 2 crit, 2 double attack, and 51 CA mod, is hard to beat on a single item. with the dagger of marnek you have unlimited ammo (clicky every 15 minutes gives you ammo) but you lose point blank shot - which personally I never liked, its got a long recovery time on it.</blockquote>Would you be so kind as to provide what your Concealment chain order is? Curious to see what some others with more experience are doing.Are you able to include the blue AE stealth attacks?I do try as much as I can to reserve Assassinate for the end of critical fights.

Kaeth

08-20-2009, 04:25 AM

A few pointers:Prioritize Death Mark, use it every time it is up. I do hope you got it as your M2 choice.Go into to your chat options and turn on warnings, so you will get a message when you are out of melee range. Alternativly you could set up a trigger in ACT.Start with Mark (macro /autoattack 1 to it) debuffs and DoT's. Do your conceal chain when "dispatched" is called. Look for it in raidchat, most brigands have a bit of text going into chat. If they don't, ask them or set up a trigger in ACT. I prefer ACT because with the proper trigger it will not only tell you dispatch is cast but also whether it landed or not.Include the blue AoE's in your conceal chain as they have a higher multiplier for Fatal Followup.Do not wait for auto attack to take you into stealth but use crippling or quick strike. If for whatever reason your chain breaks you should be able to re enter with masked.Do not spam all your temp buffs at once. Inspect their reuse timer and you will find a logical order.I do not see the point of saving assassinate for a named fight, unless you are 1-2 trash mobs away from 1. Waiting to use it will only lower your zonewide parse. Granted it will be marginal but it will be lower if you wait to use it, also make sure dispatch is up.Other then that you need to gear up. There is a list of gear on eq2flames in the assassin class section.