Ranger or Assassin Which is better/why [Archive]

Siphar

08-03-2009, 08:02 AM

<cite>Brain@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Befallen_Valgav wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok new to pvp...have a 80 myth assassin on a pve server.Was debating Ranger or Assassin...any thoughts...suggestions...whatever?</blockquote>Assassins have to be up-close to the enemy to deal high damage AND have to rely on stealth to do so. Being close to the enemy means you have to deal with control effects, knockbacks, damage shields proccing off of melee etc. And: You have to run to your enemy which might take away the surprise effect.Rangers on the other hand can deal massive damage from safety, have the first attack most of the time even if spotted and with their snares they have it rather easy to keep the enemy at range. If the enemy gets close to them they are most of the time toast though.I won fights on my assassin where I wouldn't have had a chance (or much harder times) on my ranger and vice versa. It's all pretty situational. If you like or have to run around solo a lot, ranger might be the better choice, I find that they are easier to solo (PvP and PvE).</blockquote>Rangers only have "massive" damage against scrubs (people with no gear and/or skill). This is the same as with assassins.The fact that you are up close and personal is an advantage (except versus SK), not a disadvantage. You get to choose when you stun, stifle, root etc. Rangers rely on luck.Also, since there are a lot of rangers, people have adapted how to kill them easily.Furthermore, as a Ranger, don't be fooled into thinking you can't be attacked at range either because almost all classes can still hit you or stand at ranger and heal through your damage or seek cover.You will almost always kill inferior equiped people on both classes, however, an average ranger will always be inferior to an average assassin due to gear availibility, AA and the game mechanics.Predators (assassins/rangers) are gank classes! and are easy to play but difficult to master.

Sadussa

08-03-2009, 04:17 PM

<cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>They are both "I win noob" classes. Ranger and Assassin are both a dime a dozen, most scouts are. I suggest rolling a Mage or a Priest.</blockquote><cite>Nebiru@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Scouts are a really good class in pvp. You dont even have to be good at them to win.</blockquote>Well one thing you wount find here is a shortage of people that think they know it already yet have no clue.I have a sin I play now that once was a ranger with over 14k pvp kills...I dont know it it all but I can tell you what I feel is best and worse of each class.I do miss my run speed as a ranger he could run like 80% with J boots...great for getn away....I miss thorny trap great for ambushing players in fun spots like stairs leading to seb. I dont miss being nerfed every time an update comes out...I dont miss not being able to use focus aim in pvp....I dont miss that our snare was nerfed and can now be cured allowing good pvpers to run at your feet and stand and kill you.....I dont miss sniper shot only hitting in pvp for 3k and needs 4 sec of stealth to cast. Sin big hit will hit 8k in pvp and is almost insta cast just requires stealthBottom line is this....unless your in a guild that can get you the high end gear a ranger needs to be a threat in pvp sins are easier to gear...kiting is a art but so is getting stealthed to do attacks...sins get stiffle and root.Maybe 1% of rangers reach the level needed to become truely OP like A certain person which sounds like udaan but the rest of the ranger population will suffer for it. Also as a general rule sins will out dps rangers..grp and gear factors ofcourse...plus they get to bring some hate transfer also.Playing a ranger well is harder then playing a sin well but since u have prior knowledge of how to play a sin this gives u the advantage in pvp....stick with what you know and you will advance father faster...either way good luck

Sadussa

08-03-2009, 04:21 PM

<cite>Siphar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brain@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Befallen_Valgav wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok new to pvp...have a 80 myth assassin on a pve server.Was debating Ranger or Assassin...any thoughts...suggestions...whatever?</blockquote>Assassins have to be up-close to the enemy to deal high damage AND have to rely on stealth to do so. Being close to the enemy means you have to deal with control effects, knockbacks, damage shields proccing off of melee etc. And: You have to run to your enemy which might take away the surprise effect.Rangers on the other hand can deal massive damage from safety, have the first attack most of the time even if spotted and with their snares they have it rather easy to keep the enemy at range. If the enemy gets close to them they are most of the time toast though.I won fights on my assassin where I wouldn't have had a chance (or much harder times) on my ranger and vice versa. It's all pretty situational. If you like or have to run around solo a lot, ranger might be the better choice, I find that they are easier to solo (PvP and PvE).</blockquote>Rangers only have "massive" damage against scrubs (people with no gear and/or skill). This is the same as with assassins.The fact that you are up close and personal is an advantage (except versus SK), not a disadvantage. You get to choose when you stun, stifle, root etc. Rangers rely on luck.Also, since there are a lot of rangers, people have adapted how to kill them easily.Furthermore, as a Ranger, don't be fooled into thinking you can't be attacked at range either because almost all classes can still hit you or stand at ranger and heal through your damage or seek cover.You will almost always kill inferior equiped people on both classes, however, an average ranger will always be inferior to an average assassin due to gear availibility, AA and the game mechanics.Predators (assassins/rangers) are gank classes! and are easy to play but difficult to master.</blockquote>good info here from siphar nailed it

Winter12345

08-03-2009, 08:21 PM

Ranger imo, it is verrrrrry fun to kite, so hillarious in pvp and pve!!!! =) Sin gets boring after awhile with the same setup against most of your opponents and to risk being stunned or bashed.

MokiCh

08-04-2009, 08:10 AM

<cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>They are both "I win noob" classes. Ranger and Assassin are both a dime a dozen, most scouts are. I suggest rolling a Mage or a Priest.</blockquote><cite>Nebiru@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Scouts are a really good class in pvp. You dont even have to be good at them to win.</blockquote>Well one thing you wount find here is a shortage of people that think they know it already yet have no clue.I have a sin I play now that once was a ranger with over 14k pvp kills...I dont know it it all but I can tell you what I feel is best and worse of each class.I do miss my run speed as a ranger he could run like 80% with J boots...great for getn away....I miss thorny trap great for ambushing players in fun spots like stairs leading to seb. I dont miss being nerfed every time an update comes out...I dont miss not being able to use focus aim in pvp....I dont miss that our snare was nerfed and can now be cured allowing good pvpers to run at your feet and stand and kill you.....I dont miss sniper shot only hitting in pvp for 3k and needs 4 sec of stealth to cast. Sin big hit will hit 8k in pvp and is almost insta cast just requires stealthBottom line is this....unless your in a guild that can get you the high end gear a ranger needs to be a threat in pvp sins are easier to gear...kiting is a art but so is getting stealthed to do attacks...sins get stiffle and root.Maybe 1% of rangers reach the level needed to become truely OP like A certain person which sounds like udaan but the rest of the ranger population will suffer for it. Also as a general rule sins will out dps rangers..grp and gear factors ofcourse...plus they get to bring some hate transfer also.Playing a ranger well is harder then playing a sin well but since u have prior knowledge of how to play a sin this gives u the advantage in pvp....stick with what you know and you will advance father faster...either way good luck</blockquote>This sums it up very effectively. At level 80 you need at least your fabled epic and T2 shard armour/jewelry to stand a chance in a straight up fight. You can gank green con casters with pretty much any gear at almost any level, but to have a chance against someone who knows how to fight a ranger you have to have very good gear, a lot of AAs, and know what you're doing.An additional reason why I'd recommend rolling an assassin is that rangers are extremely expensive to maintain. You can spend several plat on arrows and poisons a night, just to be able to do what your class is supposed to do. Assassins have that problem too, to an extent, with poisons, but it's not anywhere near as extreme as it is with rangers.

ulleulle

08-04-2009, 10:47 AM

In my mind there is no two ways about this.Rangers are hands down the better class of the two,sure gear can be easier on assa but in the end we are after the best option for the actual fighting.The notion of closecombat dwindles when comparing to standing 35-50m+ dishing your fav dps combo out at will with very few ways of stopping you from it. The 3 other scouts are much more proned to getting stuned-knockbacked-stifled-rooted-snared-mezzed-feared-taunted e.t.c. where as a ranger can avoid most of this most of the times.It is not even in the same ballpark =)Rangers.Swashy.Brig.Assa.Ofc situations may dictate a diffrent order but for the most part this is how it works.CheersJabib

Cyst

08-04-2009, 05:15 PM

Sadussa

08-05-2009, 01:13 AM

<cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>In my mind there is no two ways about this.Rangers are hands down the better class of the two,sure gear can be easier on assa but in the end we are after the best option for the actual fighting.The notion of closecombat dwindles when comparing to standing 35-50m+ dishing your fav dps combo out at will with very few ways of stopping you from it. The 3 other scouts are much more proned to getting stuned-knockbacked-stifled-rooted-snared-mezzed-feared-taunted e.t.c. where as a ranger can avoid most of this most of the times.It is not even in the same ballpark =)Rangers.Swashy.Brig.Assa.Ofc situations may dictate a diffrent order but for the most part this is how it works.CheersJabib</blockquote>Keep in mind this is coming from a person who plays a brig. As a brig he would love to see more rangers so he can pop a pot sprint to your feet walk the plank black jack hit one or two combat arts and hit double up if needed. The problem is everyone will love to tell you how easy it is to play a ranger yet very few of them are in t8 for a reason. Most raiding guilds will select sin of ranger for slightly better dps and buffs a ranger doesnt have. So if your not raiding your not getting the gear less its charity. Can always try it and betray back if u dont like it.

Siphar

08-05-2009, 02:32 AM

<cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ulleulle wrote:</cite><blockquote>In my mind there is no two ways about this.Rangers are hands down the better class of the two,sure gear can be easier on assa but in the end we are after the best option for the actual fighting.The notion of closecombat dwindles when comparing to standing 35-50m+ dishing your fav dps combo out at will with very few ways of stopping you from it. The 3 other scouts are much more proned to getting stuned-knockbacked-stifled-rooted-snared-mezzed-feared-taunted e.t.c. where as a ranger can avoid most of this most of the times.It is not even in the same ballpark =)Rangers.Swashy.Brig.Assa.Ofc situations may dictate a diffrent order but for the most part this is how it works.CheersJabib</blockquote>Keep in mind this is coming from a person who plays a brig. As a brig he would love to see more rangers so he can pop a pot sprint to your feet walk the plank black jack hit one or two combat arts and hit double up if needed. The problem is everyone will love to tell you how easy it is to play a ranger yet very few of them are in t8 for a reason. Most raiding guilds will select sin of ranger for slightly better dps and buffs a ranger doesnt have. So if your not raiding your not getting the gear less its charity. Can always try it and betray back if u dont like it.</blockquote>Any healer that raids (a lot in T<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> that you do not kill in 2 seconds will always out heal your DPS at range if you do not have better gear than them = fact.At least as a Sin you can run up and front load after a stun and stifle (7 seconds) giving you a much better chance of winning.

MokiCh

08-05-2009, 08:11 AM

It's interesting how, months and months after Rangers got nerfed, people still continue to spread this kind of misinformation about the class. I guess whenever the current SK thread gets locked, raging about Rangers is a good way to kill time until another SK thread gets going.

Proud_Silence

08-05-2009, 09:07 AM

Ok whoever says Assassin is easier then Ranger for pvp kills....just lol...Out of all scouts it's he easiest to stop an Assassin from doing his big hits on you, all you gotta do is knock em out of stealth. Concealment works fine as long as your opponent didn't see you coming, but hell every scout will be in the advantage if they get the jump on someone.someone said you need T2 armor/jewelry + Epic at lvl 80 to stand a chance as Ranger; well go figure, which class doesn't.And can the person that said equal geared assassin / ranger = Assassin win ...explain in what world that's happening ? you gotta be mentally handicaped if you lose against an assassin as ranger when both wear same gear. if you let an Assassin run up into your face as a scout you might consider rerolling anyway cause you majorly fail.Ranger >>> Assassin in pvp, you can stand at up to 50m away and go pew pew on anyone in range without fear of retaliation, an Asssassin has 2 ranged rear attacks and one ordinary range CA which btw is ridiculous dmg, be lucky if it's worth 1000dmg in pvp. And all those ranged CA's are 25m , wow.I can't count how many times i stood literally on top of people, trying to get a big hit off on that other scout that is hoping around while blowing me up with his ranged CA's / songs / whatever and all i get is "out of range" even tho all CA's are light up ( = in range)It's just fact that everyone that can cast his CA/spells/songs from range has massive advantage over anyone who is close combat only in pvp.Next time you get destroyed by an Assassin ask yourself, wouldn't a brig or swash done the exact same to you ? the difference is, if you payed attention and saw one of those scouts coming, out of the 3 your chances are best to win against the assassin, cause all he has is one root that will stop you long enough to get more then 1 stealth attack in.keep assassin ranged and/or out of stealth and you odds to win have already drastically risen.Oh and Assassinate doesn't hit for 8k in pvp. maybe once every 12months when you encounter a really bad clothie . i'm happy if it hits for 4k tbh. and for that i must be on top of a non moving target while a ranger can use his big atk from safe range without the hassle of following every step of that other scout that's hoping and running around you.

Cyst

08-05-2009, 09:49 AM

ProudYou're so full of bias, it is sickening. PLAY A RANGER, and show us. When I went from Ranger, to Assassin, it was evident the class was easier on the first day, and I was still in Ranger gear. I killed EVERY OTHER ASSASSIN on our server as an Assassin, except Skree and Faenwulfa before I ever got my Mythical, all of them having thier Mythicals, and killing many of these other Assassins from range because they never utilized their bows, or had bows. As an Assassin I could kill most healers in 16 seconds, while it took me minutes as a Ranger.I NEVER lost to a Ranger as an Assassin, never. I'm sure if I ran into one better geared like Pudaan, I would have lost, but I should have lost because of the gear difference. I choked every time I killed another Assassin at ranged, and they logged over asking; "I thought you were an Assassin? How did you do so much damage at range?".If you're dying to an average geared Ranger today, it is YOUR fault.As an Assassin you have a ranged root, a ranged detaunt, and other abilities that are 32 meters, and with the boomerang you can kill a Ranger at max Range in 8 seconds while you're running at him. If you can't use Concealment as an Assassin in PvP QUIT NOW, you really need to just QUIT NOW! Pop detaunt, pop concealment, and pop any melee attack (I used my root so they couldn't run), pop stifle attack, and you can get off every one of your stealth attacks by the time they cure your stifle. Not to mention with the right AAs the Assassin can sprint IN COMBAT faster than any other class, this is murder to Rangers. It might have helped I was a wood elf and had an innate ability that reduced snares too.If you want your Assassinate to hit harder, use the new charm doll mitigation debuff, it stacks with YOUR mitigation debuff. You should not be blindly using your Assassinate, and crying it doesn't do enough. My Mortal Blade hit for as much as your Assassinate, often.And for crying out loud, get a good bow, AND USE RANGED AUTO ATTACK!! With the Assassins self buffed INSANELY HIGH DPS MOD you can get VERY HUGE auto attacks with a bow, as an Assassin. I had 62% melee crit, 35% double attack, 52% ranged crit, and 24% ranged double attack as an Assassin. USE YOUR AA POINTS WISELY IN THE FIRST TREE and you're not a one sided fighter. YES USE POINTS IN AGILITY AS AN ASSASSIN!!I've recently went back to Ranger, and people I smoked as an Assassin, I can't kill as a Ranger, so don't give me this BS Rangers are easier. There is a reason those of us like Siphar and myself who have played both call BS to your claim.I won't even get into your Mythical proc.

08-05-2009, 10:24 AM

<cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>ProudYou're so full of bias, it is sickening. PLAY A RANGER, and show us. When I went from Ranger, to Assassin, it was evident the class was easier on the first day, and I was still in Ranger gear. I killed EVERY OTHER ASSASSIN on our server as an Assassin, except Skree and Faenwulfa before I ever got my Mythical, all of them having thier Mythicals, and killing many of these other Assassins from range because they never utilized their bows, or had bows. As an Assassin I could kill most healers in 16 seconds, while it took me minutes as a Ranger.I NEVER lost to a Ranger as an Assassin, never. I'm sure if I ran into one better geared like Pudaan, I would have lost, but I should have lost because of the gear difference. I choked every time I killed another Assassin at ranged, and they logged over asking; "I thought you were an Assassin? How did you do so much damage at range?".If you're dying to an average geared Ranger today, it is YOUR fault.As an Assassin you have a ranged root, a ranged detaunt, and other abilities that are 32 meters, and with the boomerang you can kill a Ranger at max Range in 8 seconds while you're running at him. If you can't use Concealment as an Assassin in PvP QUIT NOW, you really need to just QUIT NOW! Pop detaunt, pop concealment, and pop any melee attack (I used my root so they couldn't run), pop stifle attack, and you can get off every one of your stealth attacks by the time they cure your stifle. Not to mention with the right AAs the Assassin can sprint IN COMBAT faster than any other class, this is murder to Rangers. It might have helped I was a wood elf and had an innate ability that reduced snares too.If you want your Assassinate to hit harder, use the new charm doll mitigation debuff, it stacks with YOUR mitigation debuff. You should not be blindly using your Assassinate, and crying it doesn't do enough. My Mortal Blade hit for as much as your Assassinate, often.And for crying out loud, get a good bow, AND USE RANGED AUTO ATTACK!! With the Assassins self buffed INSANELY HIGH DPS MOD you can get VERY HUGE auto attacks with a bow, as an Assassin. I had 62% melee crit, 35% double attack, 52% ranged crit, and 24% ranged double attack as an Assassin. USE YOUR AA POINTS WISELY IN THE FIRST TREE and you're not a one sided fighter. YES USE POINTS IN AGILITY AS AN ASSASSIN!!I've recently went back to Ranger, and people I smoked as an Assassin, I can't kill as a Ranger, so don't give me this BS Rangers are easier. There is a reason those of us like Siphar and myself who have played both call BS to your claim.</blockquote>This is a good post.

Azekah1

08-05-2009, 10:25 AM

nothing like a cup of coffee in the morning, and forum rage <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />

Cyst

08-05-2009, 10:28 AM

<cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>nothing like a cup of coffee in the morning, and forum rage <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I havn't had my coffee yet. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Azekah1

08-05-2009, 10:44 AM

The coffee in the pot at work was left over from yesterday, so I just threw it in some ice with some sugar and cream and mad me an iced coffee <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />

Bloodfa

08-05-2009, 10:47 AM

<cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The coffee in the pot at work was left over from yesterday, so I just threw it in some ice with some sugar and cream and mad me an iced coffee <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Too bad the security guard spit in it.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" />

Cyst

08-05-2009, 10:47 AM

<cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The coffee in the pot at work was left over from yesterday, so I just threw it in some ice with some sugar and cream and mad me an iced coffee <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>/shiverI just can not bring myself to drink cold coffee. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I prefer sweetening mine with hot chocolate. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />

Sadussa

08-05-2009, 10:56 AM

I think its safe to say people that actualy HAVE played or are playing both ranger/sin agree sin is the easier pvp class to play. People get caught off guard by rangers and arent prepared to deal with them, I know I wasnt on my brig....Iam now though. Until classes were avail all factions u didnt run across many rangers and b4 I betrayed to sin even had few ranger v ranger fights.I do know that a GOOD pvper will know how to deal with a ranger....if u can close the gap on a ranger ur odds of wining go way up, if not ur odds of respawing are quadroupled. Sins are a little harder to deal with since they a bigger arsenal and can be deadly both ranged and close with toe to toe geting the edge.I think alot peoples hatred toward rangers stems from t6-t7 when rangers were owning casters and shoving arrows up peoples rectums. They are now to gear dependent and are beyound a shadow of a doubt the most nerfed class in the game. What other scout class has thier self buff (focusaim) removed pvp?Rangers will always own the lower con players and those that dont know how to deal with them. If they were so ez to play then please do us all a favour and roll one and show us just how ez they are..please..please ....please <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />

Sadussa

08-05-2009, 11:10 AM

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The coffee in the pot at work was left over from yesterday, so I just threw it in some ice with some sugar and cream and mad me an iced coffee <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Too bad the security guard spit in it.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>When I was in the navy, underway I would have watch in combat sometimes 1200-0400 or 0400-0800 my chief would always cover my station and have me go make the frign coffe. I never drank coffee so always despised doing it. One night I brought the coffe back up and after everyone had thier fist cup I said "you know if a fella didnt drink coffe and was forced to make it all the time that fella could stick almost any thing in the water..thus the term mess CRANK" That was the LAST time I ever had to make coffe...no sheet true story <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" />

Bloodfa

08-05-2009, 11:16 AM

<cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The coffee in the pot at work was left over from yesterday, so I just threw it in some ice with some sugar and cream and mad me an iced coffee <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Too bad the security guard spit in it.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>When I was in the navy, underway I would have watch in combat sometimes 1200-0400 or 0400-0800 my chief would always cover my station and have me go make the frign coffe. I never drank coffee so always despised doing it. One night I brought the coffe back up and after everyone had thier fist cup I said "you know if a fella didnt drink coffe and was forced to make it all the time that fella could stick almost any thing in the water..thus the term mess CRANK" That was the LAST time I ever had to make coffe...no sheet true story <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>That made my morning. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

max.power

08-05-2009, 11:25 AM

<cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>ProudYou're so full of bias, it is sickening. PLAY A RANGER, and show us. When I went from Ranger, to Assassin, it was evident the class was easier on the first day, and I was still in Ranger gear. I killed EVERY OTHER ASSASSIN on our server as an Assassin, except Skree and Faenwulfa before I ever got my Mythical, all of them having thier Mythicals, and killing many of these other Assassins from range because they never utilized their bows, or had bows. As an Assassin I could kill most healers in 16 seconds, while it took me minutes as a Ranger.I NEVER lost to a Ranger as an Assassin, never. I'm sure if I ran into one better geared like Pudaan, I would have lost, but I should have lost because of the gear difference.If you're dying to an average geared Ranger today, it is YOUR fault.As an Assassin you have a ranged root, a ranged detaunt, and other abilities that are 32 meters, and with the boomerang you can kill a Ranger at max Range in 8 seconds while you're running at him. If you can't use Concealment as an Assassin in PvP QUIT NOW, you really need to just QUIT NOW! Pop detaunt, pop concealment, and pop any melee attack (I used my root so they couldn't run), pop stifle attack, and you can get off every one of your stealth attacks by the time they cure your stifle.If you want your Assassinate to hit harder, use the new charm doll mitigation debuff, it stacks with YOUR mitigation debuff. You should not be blindly using your Assassinate, and crying it doesn't do enough.</blockquote>"If you can't use Concealment, QUIT NOW!" - what's that kind of BS? There are MANY occasions where your concealment chain can break. If your concealment chains never ever broke, nice for you - but you must have fought very bad players or players that were completely unaware that you are around.Good players keep moving against an assassin and apply DoTs, use knockbacks and detaunts whenever they can.Curious, what's that "ranged root" you are talking about? And nice that you mention the Boomerang Bandolier but it's not part of the assassin's initial arsenal.I'm playing both classes. My conclusion is:Ranger wins against other melee-based classes most of the time, IF the fight starts at range (most fights do). Mages are one/two-shots (sniper shot -> auto-attack -> rain of arrows). Good healers can be tough, even when you use mental breach (as mentioned by someone before: If you can't kill them within the first seconds, it's getting tough). Issues with line-of-sight sometimes but less vulnerable to lag issues (if your target is 20m away on your screen but in fact it's 30m away doesn't matter much).Assassin has it easier against healers, esp. with mental breach and frontload running. Disadvantage against other melee-based classes, esp. brawlers and crusaders. Any DoT, knockback, detaunt etc. screws your stealth attacks, targets that move around while fighting them are even harder to fight. Has to joust many classes mid-fight due to deflect/parry/reposte abilities and manashield.With all that being said and the feedback all others provided:In the end it's all situational and heavily gear-based (nothing new). Some might find playing a ranger easier than an assassin, others doing better with an assassin - it's a different playstyle. It's not easy to say "this class is far better than the other", there are too many factors involved.One thing's for sure though: Rangers have it easier at soloing in PvE, they can kite tough ^^^ heroics rather easily. I know, we're talking about PvP here, but PvE is a big part of the game so this fact alone might change one's mind what class to play <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

Greggthegrmreapr

08-05-2009, 11:31 AM

<cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont miss that our snare was nerfed and can now be cured .</blockquote>No class should be able to put an effect on someone that is uncurable.

MokiCh

08-05-2009, 11:44 AM

<cite>Proud_Silence wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's just fact that everyone that can cast his CA/spells/songs from range has massive advantage over anyone who is close combat only in pvp.</blockquote>The inverse would be more appropriate here. If you can't get within melee range of someone in PvP, YOU need to quit or reroll. Freedom of Action + Sprint = dead Ranger, especially if you play a race like a wood elf that gets an innate snare reduction.(As an aside here, I noticed someone said Assassins get a Sprint AA that works in PvP? If that is true it's completely ridiculous, seeing as how everyone and their mother was screaming bloody murder about the Ranger Sprint AA until it got nerfed into oblivion.) <cite>Cyst wrote:</cite> <blockquote>Ranger wins against other melee-based classes most of the time, IF the fight starts at range (most fights do). </blockquote>If you're talking about a tank like a Guardian or a Berserker then yes, usually a Ranger will win. But, like others here have been saying, the Ranger community dares anyone that says that Rangers > melee classes to roll a Ranger and fight a Crusader or a Rogue that knows what they're doing, and then come back and say Rangers win against melee. I can post a million parses of me rolling scrub Brigands that forgot about their ranged stun attack, but against a geared player that knows how to fight a Ranger it's always an uphill battle.

Azekah1

08-05-2009, 12:11 PM

<cite>Denna@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont miss that our snare was nerfed and can now be cured .</blockquote>No class should be able to put an effect on someone that is uncurable.</blockquote>you mean like mez?

Cyst

08-05-2009, 12:24 PM

<cite>Brain@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>ProudYou're so full of bias, it is sickening. PLAY A RANGER, and show us. When I went from Ranger, to Assassin, it was evident the class was easier on the first day, and I was still in Ranger gear. I killed EVERY OTHER ASSASSIN on our server as an Assassin, except Skree and Faenwulfa before I ever got my Mythical, all of them having thier Mythicals, and killing many of these other Assassins from range because they never utilized their bows, or had bows. As an Assassin I could kill most healers in 16 seconds, while it took me minutes as a Ranger.I NEVER lost to a Ranger as an Assassin, never. I'm sure if I ran into one better geared like Pudaan, I would have lost, but I should have lost because of the gear difference.If you're dying to an average geared Ranger today, it is YOUR fault.As an Assassin you have a ranged root, a ranged detaunt, and other abilities that are 32 meters, and with the boomerang you can kill a Ranger at max Range in 8 seconds while you're running at him. If you can't use Concealment as an Assassin in PvP QUIT NOW, you really need to just QUIT NOW! Pop detaunt, pop concealment, and pop any melee attack (I used my root so they couldn't run), pop stifle attack, and you can get off every one of your stealth attacks by the time they cure your stifle.If you want your Assassinate to hit harder, use the new charm doll mitigation debuff, it stacks with YOUR mitigation debuff. You should not be blindly using your Assassinate, and crying it doesn't do enough.</blockquote>"If you can't use Concealment, QUIT NOW!" - what's that kind of BS? There are MANY occasions where your concealment chain can break. If your concealment chains never ever broke, nice for you - but you must have fought very bad players or players that were completely unaware that you are around.Good players keep moving against an assassin and apply DoTs, use knockbacks and detaunts whenever they can.Curious, what's that "ranged root" you are talking about? And nice that you mention the Boomerang Bandolier but it's not part of the assassin's initial arsenal.I'm playing both classes. My conclusion is:Ranger wins against other melee-based classes most of the time, IF the fight starts at range (most fights do). Mages are one/two-shots (sniper shot -> auto-attack -> rain of arrows). Good healers can be tough, even when you use mental breach (as mentioned by someone before: If you can't kill them within the first seconds, it's getting tough). Issues with line-of-sight sometimes but less vulnerable to lag issues (if your target is 20m away on your screen but in fact it's 30m away doesn't matter much).Assassin has it easier against healers, esp. with mental breach and frontload running. Disadvantage against other melee-based classes, esp. brawlers and crusaders. Any DoT, knockback, detaunt etc. screws your stealth attacks, targets that move around while fighting them are even harder to fight. Has to joust many classes mid-fight due to deflect/parry/reposte abilities and manashield.With all that being said and the feedback all others provided:In the end it's all situational and heavily gear-based (nothing new). Some might find playing a ranger easier than an assassin, others doing better with an assassin - it's a different playstyle. It's not easy to say "this class is far better than the other", there are too many factors involved.One thing's for sure though: Rangers have it easier at soloing in PvE, they can kite tough ^^^ heroics rather easily. I know, we're talking about PvP here, but PvE is a big part of the game so this fact alone might change one's mind what class to play <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Velium strike with the right gear choices can reach 15 meters range, with a very long in-PvP duration. The bandolier is an easy to get piece and should be among the first choices of any Assassin. Not having the bandolier is not an excuse and should be considered part of the class by now. When an Assassin can dish out high auto attacks with a bow, and switch to the Bandolier for other CAs, it is a sick, sick combo.Sprint + Impenetrable + Velium strike, and you have any Ranger where you want him. Once in range, turn off Impenetrable, Velium Strike, or Stun. One of the best things about scout on scout fight is most scouts instinctively hit stun/stifle immunity when it is up, making roots that much more powerful.When I used Concealment, I made sure interrupts were minimized, and at worst I'd get off three stealth attacks, but it wasn't often I didn't get off stealth attacks. The classes I could not kill as an Assassin were Brawlers and Crusaders, but I think all classes one on one are having problems with them.Who is your Ranger Brain? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Did I kill him as an Assassin before I exiled back to Ranger? The last Ranger I killed as an Assassin before going back to Ranger was in EL, lasted a full 3 seconds against me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />Rangers do have it insanely easy in PvE, solo. Since Demron is my harvesting BoT, I changed him back to Ranger to quickly do named runs for that very reason.P.S. Impenetrable was awesome for group on group fights too, as an Assassin. Turn it on, walk through the AEs that were not hitting you, pick target, turn off Impenetrable, and kill said target. Impenetrable also protected you from AE taunts.

max.power

08-05-2009, 01:14 PM

<cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velium strike with the right gear choices can reach 15 meters range, with a very long in-PvP duration. The bandolier is an easy to get piece and should be among the first choices of any Assassin. Not having the bandolier is not an excuse and should be considered part of the class by now. When an Assassin can dish out high auto attacks with a bow, and switch to the Bandolier for other CAs, it is a sick, sick combo.Sprint + Impenetrable + Velium strike, and you have any Ranger where you want him. Once in range, turn off Impenetrable, Velium Strike, or Stun. One of the best things about scout on scout fight is most scouts instinctively hit stun/stifle immunity when it is up, making roots that much more powerful.When I used Concealment, I made sure interrupts were minimized, and at worst I'd get off three stealth attacks, but it wasn't often I didn't get off stealth attacks. The classes I could not kill as an Assassin were Brawlers and Crusaders, but I think all classes one on one are having problems with them.Who is your Ranger Brain? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Did I kill him as an Assassin before I exiled back to Ranger? The last Ranger I killed as an Assassin before going back to Ranger was in EL, lasted a full 3 seconds against me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />Rangers do have it insanely easy in PvE, solo. Since Demron is my harvesting BoT, I changed him back to Ranger to quickly do named runs for that very reason.P.S. Impenetrable was awesome for group on group fights too, as an Assassin. Turn it on, walk through the AEs that were not hitting you, pick target, turn off Impenetrable, and kill said target. Impenetrable also protected you from AE taunts.</blockquote>Velium Strike has the same range as every other CA, it's anything but a "ranged root". Please tell me what "gear choices" I missed (beside the Bandolier, that I'm fully aware of).You can turn off Impenetrable early, yes. But: The stifle and daze effect remains the full duration, only the 100% parry effect goes away. Not a good choice to deactivate it. Or did they change it? Since I had some bad... um... accidents with disabling it early I never ever did it again, so I really don't know.I don't think that you met my ranger yet, not playing him much and we play in different timezones I think (GMT here). If you kill him on your assassin (or me you) I'll let you know. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />/editAh, missed the part where you said you betrayed back to ranger.

Cyst

08-05-2009, 01:19 PM

<cite>Brain@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velium strike with the right gear choices can reach 15 meters range, with a very long in-PvP duration. The bandolier is an easy to get piece and should be among the first choices of any Assassin. Not having the bandolier is not an excuse and should be considered part of the class by now. When an Assassin can dish out high auto attacks with a bow, and switch to the Bandolier for other CAs, it is a sick, sick combo.Sprint + Impenetrable + Velium strike, and you have any Ranger where you want him. Once in range, turn off Impenetrable, Velium Strike, or Stun. One of the best things about scout on scout fight is most scouts instinctively hit stun/stifle immunity when it is up, making roots that much more powerful.When I used Concealment, I made sure interrupts were minimized, and at worst I'd get off three stealth attacks, but it wasn't often I didn't get off stealth attacks. The classes I could not kill as an Assassin were Brawlers and Crusaders, but I think all classes one on one are having problems with them.Who is your Ranger Brain? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> Did I kill him as an Assassin before I exiled back to Ranger? The last Ranger I killed as an Assassin before going back to Ranger was in EL, lasted a full 3 seconds against me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />Rangers do have it insanely easy in PvE, solo. Since Demron is my harvesting BoT, I changed him back to Ranger to quickly do named runs for that very reason.P.S. Impenetrable was awesome for group on group fights too, as an Assassin. Turn it on, walk through the AEs that were not hitting you, pick target, turn off Impenetrable, and kill said target. Impenetrable also protected you from AE taunts.</blockquote>Velium Strike has the same range as every other CA, it's anything but a "ranged root". Please tell me what "gear choices" I missed (beside the Bandolier, that I'm fully aware of).You can turn off Impenetrable early, yes. But: The stifle and daze effect remains the full duration, only the 100% parry effect goes away. Not a good choice to deactivate it. Or did they change it? Since I had some bad... um... accidents with disabling it early I never ever did it again, so I really don't know.I don't think that you met my ranger yet, not playing him much and we play in different timezones I think (GMT here). If you kill him on your assassin (or me you) I'll let you know. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>When I said ranged CA, I didn't properly speak. You can turn Velium Strike into a ranged CA with Bandolier, and it is a huge advantage against a Ranger.

Cloakentuna

08-05-2009, 01:21 PM

<cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Denna@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sadussa wrote:</cite><blockquote>I dont miss that our snare was nerfed and can now be cured .</blockquote>No class should be able to put an effect on someone that is uncurable.</blockquote>you mean like mez?</blockquote>Mez is cureable...

Azekah1

08-05-2009, 01:25 PM

<cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Mez is cureable...</blockquote>pret8?

Cloakentuna

08-05-2009, 01:26 PM

Mez is cureable in all tiers...

Azekah1

08-05-2009, 01:28 PM

<cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Mez is cureable in all tiers...</blockquote>self curable?

Cloakentuna

08-05-2009, 01:33 PM

You didn't say that, you said uncureable. Uncureable means there is no way to ever cure it, ever, ie the most OP pvp item in the game, the justice cloak. Just because many classes cant self cure it does not mean that it is uncureable.

Azekah1

08-05-2009, 01:34 PM

<cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>You didn't say that, you said uncureable. Uncureable means there is no way to ever cure it, ever, ie the most OP pvp item in the game, the justice cloak. Just because many classes cant self cure it does not mean that it is uncureable.</blockquote>/chucklessomeone is touchy about thier mez : )

BlueEternal

08-05-2009, 01:35 PM

Cloakentuna

08-05-2009, 01:36 PM

<cite>Azekah1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>You didn't say that, you said uncureable. Uncureable means there is no way to ever cure it, ever, ie the most OP pvp item in the game, the justice cloak. Just because many classes cant self cure it does not mean that it is uncureable.</blockquote>/chucklessomeone is touchy about thier mez : )</blockquote>Just correcting errors, I would hate for people to go around with the wrong definitions of stuff.

Azekah1

08-05-2009, 03:00 PM

<cite>Froggleg@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just correcting errors, I would hate for people to go around with the wrong definitions of stuff.</blockquote>I made the mistake of assuming we were talking about 1v1 fights, my bad...

baldwinboy3

08-05-2009, 03:22 PM

As i see it you need to pick a class based on your play style. Do you like to be in the back and drop dmg from the distance? or are u want to be upclose with big dmg hits melee? Both are really good in pvp and have advantages and disadvantages. I like ranger more becuase you can approach a grp of pvpers solo and kill the one that straggles away easy while staying ranged and bounce out before being jumpe by 3-5 others. Both are really fun.

yellowbelly08

08-06-2009, 10:52 AM

While I agree that an assassin beats a ranger at low tiers, there is no doubt that a ranger owns assasin at 80 with myth. In fact myth ranger with a cure pot up is probably the most overpowered class. Yes it is gear dependant tho and ranger gear is harder to get but in half decent gear with the myth or even fabled ranger is an extremely powerful class due to range.Heres your evidence....<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOloSFrXkhQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOloSFrXkhQ</a>Note on the last fight with a very well geared Brig it was only me backing into a wall that saved him plus its very unusual that a ranger would start fight at melee range....but even if they do with have tricks that make us still win most fights if we have open ground. Popping both pots would make Ranger unbeatable. If you let ranger get first shot at range your gonna die....even if your in a full onyx grp....and remember in nearly 100% of fights a ranger would get first shot......You still think Assasin beats ranger..?

MokiCh

08-09-2009, 12:08 PM

You, sir, are a [Removed for Content]. That video does nothing but support the position of those people who are saying that to put out numbers like that a Ranger has to spend an inordinate amount of time gearing up and getting his myth, which Assassins don't. In case you didn't bother to look, <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=334928120" target="_blank">here</a> is the EQ2Players profile page of Galoro, the Ranger in this video. He has his mythical (which >95% of the Ranger population doesn't), he is fully mastered (which >95% of the Ranger population isn't), and has gear that is far above what most Rangers on this server have, so using him as an example of how Rangers own all is really self ownage of the highest order.PROTIP: Just because a Ranger isn't named Pudaan and isn't in Onyx, doesn't mean they are representative of the T8 Ranger population on Nagafen. Go find a video of an 'average' Ranger doing this and maybe your argument will seem more credible.

Proud_Silence

08-09-2009, 10:39 PM

<cite>MokiChan wrote:</cite><blockquote>You, sir, are a [Removed for Content]. Always good to start out with a personal insult, makes your credibility skyrocketing.That video does nothing but support the position of those people who are saying that to put out numbers like that a Ranger has to spend an inordinate amount of time gearing up and getting his myth, which Assassins don't.Eh what ? Please tell me where i can apply for my free gear upgrades, because silly as i am, i run instance over instance, raid after raid trying to get somewhat decent upgrades for my Assassin.In case you didn't bother to look, <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=334928120" target="_blank">here</a> is the EQ2Players profile page of Galoro, the Ranger in this video. He has his mythical (which >95% of the Ranger population doesn't)Care to elaborate where you pulled that number out ? 95% of all rangers ? 95% of the lvl 80 rangers ?he is fully mastered (which >95% of the Ranger population isn't)Another one of those magic numbers, care to share your source of information ?, and has gear that is far above what most Rangers on this server have, so using him as an example of how Rangers own all is really self ownage of the highest order.far above of what "most" rangers have, ah yes. why not use the 95% again ? seemed such an impressive and solid number.PROTIP:Just because a Ranger isn't named Pudaan and isn't in Onyx, doesn't mean they are representative of the T8 Ranger population on Nagafen. Go find a video of an 'average' Ranger doing this and maybe your argument will seem more credible.The "average" ranger will still own the "average" random T8 class, including Assassins.I do aggree tho that Galoro is pretty decent geared, but hey, he is actually killing a few very skilled and well geared out people on that video. What class do you play MokiChan ? I looked at your profile but you're restricting views on your charactersCould it be that you're a ranger that gets owned by assassins ? Because that would explain pretty well why you are taking this defensive stance in your post. </blockquote>

MokiCh

08-10-2009, 05:54 AM

If I substituted 'most Rangers' or 'the majority of Rangers' for '>95%', would that change the essential point I am making? Of course it wouldn't. Anyone with half a brain should be able to understand that those aren't 'real' statistics, but rather a way for me to use numbers to express my belief that, of all the T8 PvP Rangers, very few have the kind of gear and the amount of masters that Galoro has. But if it causes you this amount of anguish to see a number there instead of words, I can fix it just for you. Because I'm nice like that.Also, if you take a look at my signature you will clearly see what classes I play. However, I did discover that <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=852386120" target="_blank">your Assassin</a> here also has his mythical, mostly T3 shard armour or greater, and some very nice jewelry items. Instead of calling me out for getting owned by Assassins (which I won't deny is quite likely to happen if the Assassin knows what they're doing), maybe you should ask yourself why you get owned by Rangers, which must obviously be the case since you cry this loudly about Rangers being so powerful. If you, sir, are unable to close the gap on a Ranger and kill him, with the gear that you have, you need to quit PvP right now.Cyst wrote a very nice response to your previous half page of drivel, so permit me to quote him here instead of saying the same things over again. Like he said: if it's so easy, play a Ranger and show us. We'd love to see it. Really, we would.<cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>ProudYou're so full of bias, it is sickening. PLAY A RANGER, and show us. When I went from Ranger, to Assassin, it was evident the class was easier on the first day, and I was still in Ranger gear. I killed EVERY OTHER ASSASSIN on our server as an Assassin, except Skree and Faenwulfa before I ever got my Mythical, all of them having thier Mythicals, and killing many of these other Assassins from range because they never utilized their bows, or had bows. As an Assassin I could kill most healers in 16 seconds, while it took me minutes as a Ranger.I NEVER lost to a Ranger as an Assassin, never. I'm sure if I ran into one better geared like Pudaan, I would have lost, but I should have lost because of the gear difference. I choked every time I killed another Assassin at ranged, and they logged over asking; "I thought you were an Assassin? How did you do so much damage at range?".If you're dying to an average geared Ranger today, it is YOUR fault.As an Assassin you have a ranged root, a ranged detaunt, and other abilities that are 32 meters, and with the boomerang you can kill a Ranger at max Range in 8 seconds while you're running at him. If you can't use Concealment as an Assassin in PvP QUIT NOW, you really need to just QUIT NOW! Pop detaunt, pop concealment, and pop any melee attack (I used my root so they couldn't run), pop stifle attack, and you can get off every one of your stealth attacks by the time they cure your stifle. Not to mention with the right AAs the Assassin can sprint IN COMBAT faster than any other class, this is murder to Rangers. It might have helped I was a wood elf and had an innate ability that reduced snares too.If you want your Assassinate to hit harder, use the new charm doll mitigation debuff, it stacks with YOUR mitigation debuff. You should not be blindly using your Assassinate, and crying it doesn't do enough. My Mortal Blade hit for as much as your Assassinate, often.And for crying out loud, get a good bow, AND USE RANGED AUTO ATTACK!! With the Assassins self buffed INSANELY HIGH DPS MOD you can get VERY HUGE auto attacks with a bow, as an Assassin. I had 62% melee crit, 35% double attack, 52% ranged crit, and 24% ranged double attack as an Assassin. USE YOUR AA POINTS WISELY IN THE FIRST TREE and you're not a one sided fighter. YES USE POINTS IN AGILITY AS AN ASSASSIN!!I've recently went back to Ranger, and people I smoked as an Assassin, I can't kill as a Ranger, so don't give me this BS Rangers are easier. There is a reason those of us like Siphar and myself who have played both call BS to your claim.I won't even get into your Mythical proc.</blockquote>

ulleulle

08-10-2009, 09:49 AM

I got a good friend who by no means is a fast pvper,Infact he uses his mouse for 98%of all his abilities/clickys but yet he destroys most ppl with his ranger.Mind u he only got a few patterns,some rares from heroic instance and myth.Thats it!!I can tell you with absolute certainty that he wouldent get close to killing a third of the same guys with an assasin.How can u even argue that assa is easier/better then ranger.it is not even in the same ballpark imo.I smell some biased opinions here from people hell bend on not telling the thruth.CheersJabibSometimes some of you guys crack me up with the things you say and defend,priceless for a good laugh =)Quick after thought.There is one way where assa is better/easier and that is when you jump ppl who whas cooldown on pots,then the stifle is close to a guranteed victory if played/geared right =)

Cyst

08-10-2009, 05:48 PM

You guys should really watch the video the Assassin Faenwulfa made, and watch how often he does a majority of his damage from ranged.

Proud_Silence

08-10-2009, 09:56 PM

Are you coming to nagafen ?

Cyst

08-11-2009, 01:37 AM

<cite>Proud_Silence wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are you coming to nagafen ?</blockquote>Of course. Are you Silencekiller?

Proud_Silence

08-11-2009, 01:05 PM

<cite>Cyst@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Proud_Silence wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are you coming to nagafen ?</blockquote>Of course. Are you Silencekiller?</blockquote>Never heard of Silencekiller. My main toons are listed in my profile

gfx

09-22-2009, 08:16 AM

ranger

Fluffypaws

09-22-2009, 04:52 PM

I've played both at t8 and imho, the Ranger was easier to pick up and play...Had amazing kiting ability and a well timed impenitrable when you make a mistake kiting is a nice little perk. The Assassin does have better a dps capability i do admit, and it's also better vs healers and tougher mages.(both were equally geared had equal aa and equal play time)Edit: If you kite from maximum range with aa into fettering poisons, snare shot recast and more range from the endline then well, if you dont get hit...How do you die? =/Edit Edit: Tribunal cloak is win!

ulleulle

09-22-2009, 08:31 PM

<cite>Fluffypaws@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've played both at t8 and imho, the Ranger was easier to pick up and play...Had amazing kiting ability and a well timed impenitrable when you make a mistake kiting is a nice little perk. The Assassin does have better a dps capability i do admit, and it's also better vs healers and tougher mages.(both were equally geared had equal aa and equal play time)Edit: If you kite from maximum range with aa into fettering poisons, snare shot recast and more range from the endline then well, if you dont get hit...How do you die? =/Edit Edit: Tribunal cloak is win!</blockquote>Nooooo we dont need more ppl with that item plz =)Stop saying its name =)CheersJabib

Fluffypaws

09-22-2009, 08:33 PM

it's a perfectly balanced item!Edit: nvmd

ChaoticVisions

09-22-2009, 09:42 PM

Well, I'm all for people saying that ranger is more overpowered than assassin. Of course they are *cough cough*.Just remember as an Assassin the stun signet is your friend. There isn't one class in this game that can kill faster than the Assasin class, but it requires good timing and coordination, and you DEFINITELY don't want to get stunned. When it comes to ganking NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE does it better. As for head to head fighting, rangers obviously have the ranged advantage against most melee classes, so .. it depends on what you want to do. If you're for sneaky, fast kills ... go assassin. If you're for "watch me stand over here and kill you before you can get to me" then go ranger.Geared out rangers are very, very dangerous because they can kill you in a few long ranged bow shots. But with some skill, useage of terrain, and knowledge of the class (Assassin) you should have no trouble getting to them. Be it by the STAMINA endline inpenetrable or the Getaway Speed endline in the Assassin tree, you should be able to get on top of them and deliver a world of hurt they only wish they could deliver at close range.If you want an eventual easy mode, play a ranger. If you like a class that requires skill, go assassin. Aside from ganking, there is no easy mode in T8 for us. At least if you plan on contending with the top PvPers on the server.

Jacquotte

09-23-2009, 05:10 AM

<cite>Trilli@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, I'm all for people saying that ranger is more overpowered than assassin. Of course they are *cough cough*.Just remember as an Assassin the stun signet is your friend. There isn't one class in this game that can kill faster than the Assasin class, but it requires good timing and coordination, and you DEFINITELY don't want to get stunned. When it comes to ganking NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE does it better. As for head to head fighting, rangers obviously have the ranged advantage against most melee classes, so .. it depends on what you want to do. If you're for sneaky, fast kills ... go assassin. If you're for "watch me stand over here and kill you before you can get to me" then go ranger.Geared out rangers are very, very dangerous because they can kill you in a few long ranged bow shots. But with some skill, useage of terrain, and knowledge of the class (Assassin) you should have no trouble getting to them. Be it by the STAMINA endline inpenetrable or the Getaway Speed endline in the Assassin tree, you should be able to get on top of them and deliver a world of hurt they only wish they could deliver at close range.If you want an eventual easy mode, play a ranger. If you like a class that requires skill, go assassin. Aside from ganking, there is no easy mode in T8 for us. At least if you plan on contending with the top PvPers on the server.</blockquote>when i figure out how to do actual videoediting, i¨ll try to make video that shows how the average scrub ranger is doing in T8 ^^

Oakin

05-09-2010, 08:20 PM

<cite>Siphar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have tried them both.Assassins are more rounded, have more gear available (on the way to 80) and have better AA lines for PvP (and PvE).You won't have any issues killing runners on either.Rangers are more gear dependent to be good in PvP - and with less gear available, this is a lost cause.Same gear, same player skill on ranger or assassin? the assassin will win more for sure..</blockquote>Thats nonsense.I'm a 58 Ranger and can consistently beat Assassins that are 10 levels higher than me, and usually without even being hit. I will say that I don't kill them quickly, but I do kill them.I just use Snaring Shot + Ensnare + Fettering Poison + Extension AA + all the snaring AAs.All I have to do is simply back up and let my auto attack + occassional CAs wear them out. This strategy can be used to kill almost every class.

Sadussa

05-10-2010, 11:22 AM

<cite>Oakin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Siphar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have tried them both.Assassins are more rounded, have more gear available (on the way to 80) and have better AA lines for PvP (and PvE).You won't have any issues killing runners on either.Rangers are more gear dependent to be good in PvP - and with less gear available, this is a lost cause.Same gear, same player skill on ranger or assassin? the assassin will win more for sure..</blockquote>Thats nonsense.I'm a 58 Ranger and can consistently beat Assassins that are 10 levels higher than me, and usually without even being hit. I will say that I don't kill them quickly, but I do kill them.I just use Snaring Shot + Ensnare + Fettering Poison + Extension AA + all the snaring AAs.All I have to do is simply back up and let my auto attack + occassional CAs wear them out. This strategy can be used to kill almost every class.</blockquote>this is bc ur playing against noob players and not in end game gear. Any pvp with any exsperience will signet/pot sprint at ur feet and keep close nuff to where ur ranged auto attack wont proc and they will wear u down. Rangers will do better at certain levels but the basics to defeating ranger will be the same. Pot/cure, close the gap asap snare/stun the ranger tbag the ranger collect chest. There are times where ranger will get the jump on you and all his procs go off nutn u can do if that happens cept hit revive button <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />