Karnor's Castle - Who is *Karnor*?

[Mythanote]

<p>Subject kind of says it all, far as my question goes.  Sorry not inputing new or updated information, but a recent post on another site got me to wondering.... Who is/was Karnor, that this castle full of Drolvarg, former home of Venril is so named after?  Any lore experts know, with some links possibly for more info?</p><p>Thanks in Advance.</p><p>(P.S. I goggled Karnor Castle / Karnor Everquest / Karnor Everquest Lore, and wasnt able to find anything.  My reason for asking you all.)</p><p>Cheers.</p>

[glowsintheda]

<p>I don't know personally, but checking the eq1 lore forums might net you some info (it might not, who knows) but since that is something that exists in both time lines might be worth a shot.</p>

[shadowscale]

<p>i dont think there was any reason given for the name even in EQ1.</p>

[therodge]

you will want to somehow varify this as this is an extreamly vague memory and i may be thinking of someone else but i beileve karnor was a warlord around the same time as kurn it was kurn karnor and 2 otthers i think but then again i could just be imagining this

[Cusashorn]

<p>The only information I can find was that the castle was constructed during the height of the Iksar empire. It was designed to hammer the giants of the southwest into submission. No info on where the name comes from.</p>

[Barx]

<p>Yep, there really wasn't lore behind the name in EQ1 either. I'd hoped when they first brought it out that we would find more about Karnor and his Castle... but no such luck =/</p>

[Jait]

<p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yep, there really wasn't lore behind the name in EQ1 either. I'd hoped when they first brought it out that we would find more about Karnor and his Castle... but no such luck =/</p></blockquote><p>There was lore.  There was the Wizard Epic along with the History of the Iksar and other hints in CoM and Chardok.  I just don't remember much of it, I wasn't an Iksar fan, but here's what I foggly remember after almost 10-years:</p><p>Karnor was once a powerful wizard who build a fortress (not a castle) called "The Karnor" to combat the Forest Giants.  He ran experiments in his dungeon and had an assortment of magical guards (Animated Hands, etc..) along with his conventional forces.  It was utterly destroyed (not sure by whom) and later rebuilt almost from the ground up by Venril and renamed to "Karnor's Castle".  If you played a Wizard you were sent there to retreive his staff (Gnarled) which is now held by Venril. </p><p>Again, it's been 10-years, but there's definitely gotta be some info still out there.</p>

[Silerua]

<p>I did a quick google search and found <a href="http://www.amoroth.dk/fora/index.php?topic=29.0%3Bprev_next=prev" target="_blank">this</a>.  I don't know if it's a reliable source so please don't look at me funny, 'k?  I'm just sharing what I found.</p><p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Emperor Rile Sathir</strong></p><p style="padding-left: 30px;">... Rile orders the construction of a southern stronghold similar to Kurn’s Tower. The stronghold is named The Karnor, and is overseen by the vampire Iksar named Chosooth...</p><p>*shrug*</p><p>I also found some <a href="http://p066.ezboard.com/fsistersofthesilvermoon10054frm8.showMessage?topic ID=10.topic" target="_blank">Timeline of Iksar Histor</a>y that makes mention of The Karnor, though not where it begins.  Again, no clue what's going on, just sharing.  d:</p><p>[EDIT:  Wait, there's conflictin' info goin' on.  That first link and that second link has the names all switcharoo'd.  Okay, yeah, I shouldn't try to poke my nose where it doesn't belong, 'cause that's like, uh...  weirdness.]</p>

[Reiella]

<p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yep, there really wasn't lore behind the name in EQ1 either. I'd hoped when they first brought it out that we would find more about Karnor and his Castle... but no such luck =/</p></blockquote><p>I believe you may find more with the most recent expansion for EQlive.</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Jait@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yep, there really wasn't lore behind the name in EQ1 either. I'd hoped when they first brought it out that we would find more about Karnor and his Castle... but no such luck =/</p></blockquote><p>There was lore.  There was the Wizard Epic along with the History of the Iksar and other hints in CoM and Chardok.  I just don't remember much of it, I wasn't an Iksar fan, but here's what I foggly remember after almost 10-years:</p><p>Karnor was once a powerful wizard who build a fortress (not a castle) called "The Karnor" to combat the Forest Giants.  He ran experiments in his dungeon and had an assortment of magical guards (Animated Hands, etc..) along with his conventional forces.  It was utterly destroyed (not sure by whom) and later rebuilt almost from the ground up by Venril and renamed to "Karnor's Castle".  If you played a Wizard you were sent there to retreive his staff (Gnarled) which is now held by Venril. </p><p>Again, it's been 10-years, but there's definitely gotta be some info still out there.</p></blockquote><p>Ah, I never played a wizzie there. I knew there was a bit of lore, but not where it came from. But even then that's only a small tidbit of lore, doesn't tells us a huge amount about it.</p><p>And re: Reiella, is it just new lore introduced in that expansion or is it actually new content? Because if it is new content then the timeline split means it isn't canon to EQ2. Now if it's old information that they are just introducing, then it could be canon.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And re: Reiella, is it just new lore introduced in that expansion or is it actually new content? Because if it is new content then the timeline split means it isn't canon to EQ2. Now if it's old information that they are just introducing, then it could be canon.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, even if it is just new lore introduced, it's still not canon to our storyline.</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And re: Reiella, is it just new lore introduced in that expansion or is it actually new content? Because if it is new content then the timeline split means it isn't canon to EQ2. Now if it's old information that they are just introducing, then it could be canon.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, even if it is just new lore introduced, it's still not canon to our storyline.</p></blockquote><p>Well, it could be as long as the events take place before the split. It just would not actually be canon until it was added to EQ2 in some way. (What I was saying is that, temporally, it could theoretically be canon in EQ2 at some point, whereas events after the time split cannot be canon unless they also reenact them here.)</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>True, it could be, but even revealing it at this point seems unlikely that it would become official.</p><p>It's kind of like that Dragons of Norrath expansion from a few years back. It wasn't released until after the time split, but it's lore states that those dragons have lived there for over 4000 years in an attempt to retcon the lore. It's still not canon to EQ2 though, and the devs have stated as much when the issue about the existance of the Drakkin was brought up.</p>

[Streocoafod]

<p><cite>Jait@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Yep, there really wasn't lore behind the name in EQ1 either. I'd hoped when they first brought it out that we would find more about Karnor and his Castle... but no such luck =/</p></blockquote><p>There was lore.  There was the Wizard Epic along with the History of the Iksar and other hints in CoM and Chardok.  I just don't remember much of it, I wasn't an Iksar fan, but here's what I foggly remember after almost 10-years:</p><p>Karnor was once a powerful wizard who build a fortress (not a castle) called "The Karnor" to combat the Forest Giants.  He ran experiments in his dungeon and had an assortment of magical guards (Animated Hands, etc..) along with his conventional forces.  It was utterly destroyed (not sure by whom) and later rebuilt almost from the ground up by Venril and renamed to "Karnor's Castle".  If you played a Wizard you were sent there to retreive his staff (Gnarled) which is now held by Venril. </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">The wizard you're thinking of was Demunir Scry</span><span style="color: #ff0000;">.  The actually text from that part of the wizzy epic in Eq1 follows </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">"You say, 'What about Demunir Scry?' Arantir Karondor says 'Demunir was a human in a rush for power. He was extremely intelligent and resourceful but, unfortunately, was more interested in destructive magic. Hearing of an ancient land, he immediately traveled to it, believing there to be powerful relics left undiscovered there. While exploring, he came upon a dwelling that housed a powerful warrior. Believing himself to be more powerful, he attempted to take this dwelling for himself. While in battle with this warrior, Solusek Ro stole his powers and left him helpless. It is said that Demunir's item is the warrior's most prized trophy.' </span></p><p>Again, it's been 10-years, but there's definitely gotta be some info still out there.</p></blockquote>

[Reiella]

<p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Barx@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>And re: Reiella, is it just new lore introduced in that expansion or is it actually new content? Because if it is new content then the timeline split means it isn't canon to EQ2. Now if it's old information that they are just introducing, then it could be canon.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, even if it is just new lore introduced, it's still not canon to our storyline.</p></blockquote><p>Well, it could be as long as the events take place before the split. It just would not actually be canon until it was added to EQ2 in some way. (What I was saying is that, temporally, it could theoretically be canon in EQ2 at some point, whereas events after the time split cannot be canon unless they also reenact them here.)</p></blockquote><p>As cusa says it's eqlive canon, not necessarily eq2, I bring it up though since the dialog with Kurns has been feeling similar [to me at least <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" />] to what is being retold with eqlive as well.  At the very least, it's an interesting exploration of potential.</p><p>Add/ edit</p><p>And this is when I realize my brain imploded a while ago <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  Karnor was not actually much explored in the SoD timeline, Kurns, yes was.  My brain is teh tofu.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>