No one will convince me otherwise now, crashing problems is Vista related.

[xpraetorianx]

<p>I switched back to my old XP computer did a complete reformat and install with the same hardware configuration in my current PC...  No problems for several days.</p><p>I switched back to my vista setup, reformated... same exact hardware setup... crashed within 10 mins of game start and randomly several times since then.</p><p>You would think with a Operating system that has been out for awhile now that the game would be more vista friendly.... why is that?</p>

[Dasque]

<p>I been back for a few days, and was gone for a little less than a month before that, and ever since I been back.  When moving around no matter where I am, I get performance lag randomly, which I never had before.  I al also getting random crashes, and I notice they usually happen when switching characters...  Then, when that happens I start the game up again, it starts to log in, and says...  "This account is in use."  So...  It then asks em for my info to sign in again.  I type it in, and it goes.  "Login rejected."  And it closes, and I have to restart the game again... Which this time it works.  It's been happening a lot.  I am in Vista 64x premium.</p><p>I stopped playing the day after the last major update with the Rime was implemented, before now.  Has anyone else noticed any performance, and stability problems since the last major patch?  I have ran spybot, norton, and even the free trned micro house call virus scan.  Just to make sure I was totally clean, which I have been.  I ran MS config, and closed everything not Microsoft related...  No change.  I get randome crashes usually when changing characters, and random performance hits...  Sometimes in groups I get total slowdown like when you try to raid with the graphics set too high.</p><p>I have a quad core 2.33x4, a Geforce 9800GT <I have most up-to-date drivers,a nd even tried the beta>, and 7 gigs of ram.  I used to get with everything maxed <shadows turned off, and flora turned off (it annoys me)> about 30-45 in highly populated areas, and alot of NPCs, and people doing stuff.  When alone, I get 62, or in certain zones. Now I am lucky to get 30, and usually am between 20-30.</p><p>help, if you know of something else I can check, or you know may have happened, or if you're having the problem as well. </p><p>P.S.  I did run a full game file scan.</p>

[Wuvvy]

<p>Make sure you have the new GPU shadows off as well as the cpu shadows. They've made some changes since you were gone that some computers have liked, and some have very much disliked. Also in the patch I believe on the 7th, there seems to have been a small fps hit as well. I can't confirm anything about that, but I know of atleast 20 people that have had a small hit since then. Keep in mind that your cpu is only 2.33ghz. Since eq2 doesn't utilize any more than one core, I don't feel that 2.33ghz is enough to run things at max with a 60+ fps rate.</p><p>Also, something UI related could have happened over time. It wouldn't hurt to clear all your UI files and repatch your game to get them refreshed. There are like 15 threads that can give you the info on how to do that.</p><p>Another thing, make sure you have sych refresh rate and triple buffering. Since the patch I've found that making sure both are enabled has greatly decreased overall lag issues. <span >Also, some cards like Reuse vertex buffers, and some don't. Just takes a quick game restart to see if yours likes it.</span></p>

[Wuvvy]

<p>And Praetor,</p><p>You've been trying for a long time to get help and I realize that, but at some point you need to realize that these people can only do so much for you from a forum. Call tech support or use the live chat. You would probably have much greater luck with your problem fix. You can't converse easily back and forth over a forum. It's more for non-emergency issues.</p><p>Good luck.</p>

[Dasque]

<p>Vertex Buffer are on, all shadows are off, and I'll try the triple buffer.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>xpraetorianx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I switched back to my old XP computer did a complete reformat and install with the same hardware configuration in my current PC...  No problems for several days.</p><p>I switched back to my vista setup, reformated... same exact hardware setup... crashed within 10 mins of game start and randomly several times since then.</p><p>You would think with a Operating system that has been out for awhile now that the game would be more vista friendly.... why is that?</p></blockquote><p>Multibox fine on a pair of Vista Ultimate systems, been doing this for a long time. Normally 2 instances on each box but have been up to 3 on one box</p><p> Some questions that come to mind are</p><p>1.  What steps have you taken from the various posts to configure the game to run on a Vista system?</p><p>2. What drivers are you using for the chipset and video?</p><p>3. How do you have the game installed on the Vista system.</p><p>4. What service pack level is the Vista system at? At the security patches up to date</p><p>5. what sound device is in use - If creative labs have you checked their site for the most stable version of their driver, if not have you tried running with sound disabled to test that - CL does not have a reputation for stable drivers</p><p>6. When the system crashes - how does it crash? Does the application go not responding? does it BSOD, if a BSOD what is the crash information</p><p>7. Vista is a lot more memory sensitive then XP, have you run a reputable memory test like Memtest86 to verifiy validity of the memory? About 5 or 6 hours of burn in testing would be a good average</p><p>8. does device manager show any issues?</p>

[xpraetorianx]

<p>Since i got sick and tired of the crashing I gave up on this forum....  but to be fair...</p><p><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Multibox fine on a pair of Vista Ultimate systems, been doing this for a long time. Normally 2 instances on each box but have been up to 3 on one box</p><p> Some questions that come to mind are</p><p>1.  What steps have you taken from the various posts to configure the game to run on a Vista system?</p><p><strong>You mean from all the other crashing threads giving generic advice that really wont actually solve any problems with the game?</strong></p><p>2. What drivers are you using for the chipset and video?</p><p><strong>The recommended drivers from the KB for my video card, and latest drivers for my pc.</strong></p><p>3. How do you have the game installed on the Vista system.</p><p><strong>Huh?  The game is not installed on a flash drive if that is what you mean.</strong></p><p>4. What service pack level is the Vista system at? At the security patches up to date</p><p><strong>Always up to date, Service Pack 2 and all components.</strong></p><p>5. what sound device is in use - If creative labs have you checked their site for the most stable version of their driver, if not have you tried running with sound disabled to test that - CL does not have a reputation for stable drivers</p><p><strong>No Creative Labs software on my machine, Im running standard onboard audio with the most current drivers.</strong></p><p>6. When the system crashes - how does it crash? Does the application go not responding? does it BSOD, if a BSOD what is the crash information</p><p><strong>EQ2 Client Application Error.  Pretty obvious from my other massive thread of the eq2 crash logs I have been pasting.</strong></p><p>7. Vista is a lot more memory sensitive then XP, have you run a reputable memory test like Memtest86 to verifiy validity of the memory? About 5 or 6 hours of burn in testing would be a good average</p><p><strong>Ran Memtest86 overnight and no problems were discovered.  </strong></p><p>8. does device manager show any issues?</p><p><strong>No</strong></p></blockquote>

[xpraetorianx]

<p>Well... 3 days back on XP and not one crash...   I think that much covers it for Vista compatibility...</p>

[xpraetorianx]

<p>edit:  double posted</p>

[Wingrider01]

<p><cite>xpraetorianx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well... 3 days back on XP and not one crash...   I think that much covers it for Vista compatibility...</p></blockquote><p>Been running stable on Vista Ultimate for 3 years, multi-box on the machines, including heavy raiding. Systems are stable here. One box has been in place upgraded to the RTM of Windows 7 Ultimate, box is stable and can actually run 3 instances of the game on it.</p><p>Think that pretty much covers the Vista and Windows 7 Compatibility</p><p>Don't see much on your crash problems, got some links?</p>

[TSR-DanielH]

<p><cite>xpraetorianx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Well... 3 days back on XP and not one crash...   I think that much covers it for Vista compatibility...</p></blockquote><p>That's really strange considering most people don't have problems outside of the standard download issues.  It must be related to how your specific hardware setup is interacting with the operating system.  You might want to submit a bug report including your current system specs so we can create a test system in order to reproduce the error.</p>