AA spec mirrors tagged heirloom?

[einar4]

<p> When the heirloom tag first came up, there was some discussion about this but I couldn't find an actual response from anyone at SOE with several different Forum searches.   It is silly that I can make the mirrors for anyone except characters on my own account when things like void shards and Proof of the Pudding items are marked heirloom. </p><p> Or has this changed for new mirrors?  The mirrors I have still show Lore- No Trade; I've not wanted to burn a reflective shard to test it.</p>

[Domino]

<p>Mirrors are not heirloom and are not likely to become so in the immediate future, since there could be some serious issues (ranging from "exploit" to "utterly messed up character data") if it were possible to, say, save your wizard's AA spec on a mirror, then trade the mirror and load the AAs to your berserker.  If we do look at this in the future we would do it very, very carefully since breaking your characters is Not A Good Thing<tm>. </p><p>In the mean time, I've found that generally asking around the Crafting chat channel in game or posting on the server-specific forum on these boards are pretty efficient ways of finding someone friendly to make the mirror for you.  Crafters are generally pretty friendly and helpful folks.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[einar4]

<p> Ok, thanks for the response.  I see the implementation difficulties.  It's almost as though you would have to have a way to attune a house item which could be big can of worms.  I'll just ask around for help with my lower ts-faction characters.</p>

[Barx]

<p>One possible method to allow you to make mirrors for your alts (if you really really want to) would be to make the recipe make a "packed" version ([a wrapped Mirror of Reflected Achievements]) that was heirloom but didn't actually do anything, but unpacking it would transform it into the final version (which would then allow you to place it and use it but would be no trade). That would (hopefully) avoid the whole character-corruption exploitation business, since the actual spec-storing device wouldn't be heirloom and wouldn't come into existance until it was on the intended character.</p><p>Just an idea, I don't personally see the need for it since there are plenty of mirror crafters by now, especially after the faction per writ was increased.</p>

[Deson]

<p><cite>Lord_Ebon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One possible method to allow you to make mirrors for your alts (if you really really want to) would be to make the recipe make a "packed" version ([a wrapped Mirror of Reflected Achievements]) that was heirloom but didn't actually do anything, but unpacking it would transform it into the final version (which would then allow you to place it and use it but would be no trade). That would (hopefully) avoid the whole character-corruption exploitation business, since the actual spec-storing device wouldn't be heirloom and wouldn't come into existance until it was on the intended character.</p><p>Just an idea, I don't personally see the need for it since there are plenty of mirror crafters by now, especially after the faction per writ was increased.</p></blockquote><p>Heirloom attunable does exist.</p>

[KerowynnKaotic]

<p><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Mirrors are not heirloom and are not likely to become so in the immediate future, since there could be some serious issues (ranging from "exploit" to "utterly messed up character data") if it were possible to, say, save your wizard's AA spec on a mirror, then trade the mirror and load the AAs to your berserker.  If we do look at this in the future we would do it very, very carefully since breaking your characters is Not A Good Thing. </p><p>*snipped*</p></blockquote><p>Just as a thought ... You could change the AA mirror to have (2) versions.  </p><p>"Mirror of Reflected Achievements" after it has been crafted, marked Heirloom (not lore), which can then be moved into the person's shared bank for Alts. </p><p>"Attuned Mirror of Reflected Achievements", marked Lore & No Trade, after its first use as having a AA spec saved and even if you wipe a AA spec it would have to stay marked this way.  No re-using the AA Mirror.</p><p>---</p><p>Might be good for Decorating too .. since the Pre-Attuned version wouldn't be Lore and could be used in those pretty Mirror displays that people used to do with them ... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Deson wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lord_Ebon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One possible method to allow you to make mirrors for your alts (if you really really want to) would be to make the recipe make a "packed" version ([a wrapped Mirror of Reflected Achievements]) that was heirloom but didn't actually do anything, but unpacking it would transform it into the final version (which would then allow you to place it and use it but would be no trade). That would (hopefully) avoid the whole character-corruption exploitation business, since the actual spec-storing device wouldn't be heirloom and wouldn't come into existance until it was on the intended character.</p><p>Just an idea, I don't personally see the need for it since there are plenty of mirror crafters by now, especially after the faction per writ was increased.</p></blockquote><p>Heirloom attunable does exist.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, but you don't equip house items, and (unless they just haven't used it before) you equip things to attune them. Unless she wants to give us one we could carry around /bigwishfuleyes <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Deson]

<p><cite>Lord_Ebon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Deson wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lord_Ebon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One possible method to allow you to make mirrors for your alts (if you really really want to) would be to make the recipe make a "packed" version ([a wrapped Mirror of Reflected Achievements]) that was heirloom but didn't actually do anything, but unpacking it would transform it into the final version (which would then allow you to place it and use it but would be no trade). That would (hopefully) avoid the whole character-corruption exploitation business, since the actual spec-storing device wouldn't be heirloom and wouldn't come into existance until it was on the intended character.</p><p>Just an idea, I don't personally see the need for it since there are plenty of mirror crafters by now, especially after the faction per writ was increased.</p></blockquote><p>Heirloom attunable does exist.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, but you don't equip house items, and (unless they just haven't used it before) you equip things to attune them. Unless she wants to give us one we could carry around /bigwishfuleyes <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Attune still makes them no- trade though, I can't remember if you can attune in inventory anymore. Memory is saying it's gone just like eating/drinking from inventory.</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Deson wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Attune still makes them no- trade though, I can't remember if you can attune in inventory anymore. Memory is saying it's gone just like eating/drinking from inventory.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah thats what I think the issue is, I don't think it brings up the attune dialog until you goes into the equipment slot (and if you right click it and hit attune, it just puts it into that slot IIRC).</p>

[Uggli]

<p>Just tie the data to the character, not the item. Locking character data to an item is bad juju in the first place.  The character can use ANY mirror they have a trustee level access to.   Would then also open the option of making a guild hall item with upkeep and what not.    Member+ allowed access or what ever.  Having to keep a mirror for each toon that shares a home is a pain.</p><p>Just an idea.</p>

[Assynrae]

<p>With data tied to the character, you could'nt have more than one alternate AA specs, I guess. As far as I know, you can have 10 mirrors in your house currently and you can store 10 different profiles, because the data is tied to the mirrors.</p>

[Aneova]

<p><cite>Deson wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lord_Ebon wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>One possible method to allow you to make mirrors for your alts (if you really really want to) would be to make the recipe make a "packed" version ([a wrapped Mirror of Reflected Achievements]) that was heirloom but didn't actually do anything, but unpacking it would transform it into the final version (which would then allow you to place it and use it but would be no trade). That would (hopefully) avoid the whole character-corruption exploitation business, since the actual spec-storing device wouldn't be heirloom and wouldn't come into existance until it was on the intended character.</p><p>Just an idea, I don't personally see the need for it since there are plenty of mirror crafters by now, especially after the faction per writ was increased.</p></blockquote><p>Heirloom attunable does exist.</p></blockquote><p>I beg to differ, the rolling pin from TS instances is now Heirloom Attunable</p>

[Barx]

<p><cite>Assynrae wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>With data tied to the character, you could'nt have more than one alternate AA specs, I guess. As far as I know, you can have 10 mirrors in your house currently and you can store 10 different profiles, because the data is tied to the mirrors.</p></blockquote><p>No. First, the mirrors are lore. Second, even if you had multiple mirrors (from before the lore changes) it would only let you store one spec total.</p><p><cite>Aneova@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Deson wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Heirloom attunable does exist.</p></blockquote><p>I beg to differ, the rolling pin from TS instances is now Heirloom Attunable</p></blockquote><p>Why are you begging to differ when you're saying the same thing? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Sonorod]

<p>What if the recipe crafted a "packaged" mirror that was heirloom.  Once traded, the character can "un-package" it and then they have a no-trade mirror?</p>

[Uggli]

<p><cite>Assynrae wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>With data tied to the character, you could'nt have more than one alternate AA specs, I guess. As far as I know, you can have 10 mirrors in your house currently and you can store 10 different profiles, because the data is tied to the mirrors.</p></blockquote><p>As stated above, this is wrong.   Lore mirror, only one saved profile allowed.  Which is why locking the data to the item is a bad design.  It should be locked into the character data, and usable from any item that allows it.</p><p>Opens up all kinds of item options.</p><p>Portable mirror (tinkered maybe?), lets you swap your profile any where in the game, but only usable once a week.   For those instances where you rush to a raid and forget the proper profile!</p><p>Guild Hall Items, making the guild hall even better!</p><p>Only one mirror needed for the home of those with serious altitis (too many alts), makes having multiple toons/accounts easier as you do not need to keep as many mirrors around.</p>

[Assynrae]

<p>ok, sorry for this incorect information! Maybe my mirror-manufacturer intended to sell me more than one mirror by telling me, I could use more than one <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>