Debuffs then versus Debuffs now

[Rayche]

<p>I'm more curious than anything, but I remember debuffing mobs in KoS and to a degree EoF where it mattered some if you got all your debuffs stacked on the mobs.</p><p>In RoK it's still fairly important, but in TSO it is the absolute LEAST of my concerns.</p><p>Cures... cures... cures... running through the portals... stand on one foot or the raid explodes, balance a pig on your nose or the raid explodes... etc.</p><p>Debuffing raid mobs fully doesn't seem to lessen the need for piles of Crit Mit...</p><p>So if that's the case.. why didn't get get a debuff with TSO that allows us to lower a mobs crit number? Even by 10? I mean, if one of our strong points was our ability to debuff mobs, why can't we debuff them anymore?</p><p>What about a raidwide emergency ward that blocks one AOE with a 15 minute recast timer?</p><p>We seem to be really lacking in a big department that I used to consider a fun part of my job as a Shaman...</p><p>Sony, can we get some defensive abilities to match current content please? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Tehom]

<p>I think debuffs tend to be undervalued, actually. While bottoming out a mob's dps and haste mods is done almost instantly on engage, stat values tend to have a pretty linear effect on AE damage from what I've seen - you can just watch the values on permanent-debuffs/reactives on you change as the mob is debuffed if you're curious on the efficacy. I also think people greatly underestimate debuffing adds, which are frequently ignored - raids don't frequently run enough brigands to cover both the main mob and epic adds also with dispatch, so resist and wis debuffs actually become meaningful there. Then there's a number of encounters that also strip debuffs, which should train you in debuff orders to reduce the window of vulnerability of your raid to a second or two at most.</p><p>I'm not advocating letting people in your group croak in order to cast a redundant atrophy, but I do think debuffs are very frequently underestimated, especially on adds.</p>

[Kari]

<p><cite>Rayche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So if that's the case.. why didn't get get a debuff with TSO that allows us to lower a mobs crit number? Even by 10? I mean, if one of our strong points was our ability to debuff mobs, why can't we debuff them anymore?</p></blockquote><p>That debuff was given to predators (assassin/ranger) in their TSO tree. Noxious Enfeeblement.</p><p><a href="http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Predator_TSO_AA's">http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Predator_TSO_AA's</a></p>

[MalkorGodchyld]

<p><cite>Rayche@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I'm more curious than anything, but I remember debuffing mobs in KoS and to a degree EoF where it mattered some if you got all your debuffs stacked on the mobs.</p><p>In RoK it's still fairly important, but in TSO it is the absolute LEAST of my concerns.</p><p>Cures... cures... cures... running through the portals... stand on one foot or the raid explodes, balance a pig on your nose or the raid explodes... etc.</p><p>Debuffing raid mobs fully doesn't seem to lessen the need for piles of Crit Mit...</p><p>So if that's the case.. why didn't get get a debuff with TSO that allows us to lower a mobs crit number? Even by 10? I mean, if one of our strong points was our ability to debuff mobs, why can't we debuff them anymore?</p><p>What about a raidwide emergency ward that blocks one AOE with a 15 minute recast timer?</p><p>We seem to be really lacking in a big department that I used to consider a fun part of my job as a Shaman...</p><p>Sony, can we get some defensive abilities to match current content please? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I totally agree with you...we have what...hexation & bane that could be considered critical debuffs and 1 of them has a 5 min immunity attached to it so go figure. </p><p> Tendrils is kool because its passive, but it would be nice to see a new defensive ability or some current debuffs revamped to be  way more useful.     </p><p>Tbh though,  its a pipe dream because the devs cant see the disparity and i doubt even the defiler community wholly agree's.    Lord knows why but there it is.</p><p>Mariusx     ( Nagafen )</p>

[Ambi]

<p>Our debuffing used to be one of the most critical debilitators for mobs since their innate haste/DPS mods weren't so high.</p><p>As xpac's progressed and these mobs began to whack harder, faster, our debuffs just didn't really keep up. I still carry Atrophyweaving but if they were to add something more disabling to Hex I'd pick it back up.</p><p>And as far as defensive spells, Defiler Prophetic Ward in '10!</p>