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shadowscale

07-15-2009, 04:28 PM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>Speculation Thread.Ok, so we now know about Erudin planning to construct a new Nexus.Could it be that they have found a way to return to Luclin, and are planning to rebuild from the ruins of the old Nexus?not compleatly out of the question, there really is onley that one giant chunk missing, the rest of Luclin is holding together well enohg. but this is still unlikley.Or maybe they're planning to build a Nexus on New-Luclin, that other moon we see in Norrath's sky, where the inhabitants of old-Luclin were rapidly transported to after the explosion?drinal is a lifeless moon like the one that orbits earth. not habbitable.Or are they simply planning to build a whole new Nexus here on Norrath, possibly to facilitate inter-continental travel so that we can travel to Odus and other lost continents?this is what im going to guess they were trying, and it blew up. causeing the entire race to look diffrent and possably sucking the contenet partly into the void... hmm have to wonder if thats what might have happend to the origional nexus.Or perhaps the whole Nexus plan is merely a ruse, intended to get paineel's guard down so that Erudin can build a new super-weapon and destroy the heathens...again.unlikley, they were working together agen before the new nexus plans were made. and the continued pressence of the quellthulians in the KoS shows that the alliance lasted.Has anyone found anything to indicate when this book was written? Perhaps it is referring to the construction of the original Nexus?no one knows the origen of the origional nexus. this was an attempt to try and make a new one on odus. so im guessing it was anywhere between the cut off from the origional, to sometime after the shattering.Ideas? Opinions? Thoughts?</blockquote>my comments added in blue.

Mirander_1

07-15-2009, 04:30 PM

This book was evidently pre-Shattering, so Luclin was still intact; but with no teleportation, traveling there is pretty much out of the question.It was strongly suggested (at least, I thought it was) that the Nexus was basically the power source for all teleportation, which is why the attack on the Nexus disabled the spires. The Erudites' plans to build a new Nexus was probably tied to the construction of the Ulteran Spires.I'm also getting the feeling that the construction of a Nexus is probably going to be tied to the Erudites' metamorphosis.

Cusashorn

07-15-2009, 04:45 PM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>This book was evidently pre-Shattering, so Luclin was still intact; but with no teleportation, traveling there is pretty much out of the question.It was strongly suggested (at least, I thought it was) that the Nexus was basically the power source for all teleportation, which is why the attack on the Nexus disabled the spires. The Erudites' plans to build a new Nexus was probably tied to the construction of the Ulteran Spires.I'm also getting the feeling that the construction of a Nexus is probably going to be tied to the Erudites' metamorphosis. </blockquote>That's correct. The Uterian spired were built by the erudites shortly after teleportation was cut off from the Luclin. They built it to work as a new teleporting system to get around Norrath. Whether they worked or not, we don't know, but we do know that spire ruins can be found in Everfrost, Lavastorm, Enchanted Lands, Zek, Antonica, Commonlands, Loping Plains, and a few other areas. The Quellithulians returned to rebuild spires in Antonica, Commonlands, Enchanted Lands, Feerrott, Nektulos Forest, and Thundering Steppes when KoS returned. Obviously, we got things right this time..... or it could just be that we're no longer in any catastrophic danger of having them destroyed again.At any rate, I'm more curious to know how the Erudites accidentally changed thier race into who they are now.Thats right. Accidentally.

Foolsfolly

07-15-2009, 06:10 PM

Luclin(planet) was also uninhabitable until Luclin(goddess) decided to terraform it. If she decided to evacuate her critters to Drinal and make that moon New-Luclin, she could just as easily have made Drinal habitable. In fact, it may have been the sudden shock of Luclin's influence leaving the first moon that caused it to break apart. After all, when the gods left Norrath it caused some pretty massive earthquakes down here.The shissar have shown that it is possible for non-godly entities to manipulate vast areas of atmosphere. As Homeskillet pointed out, there was a generous period of time when contact was cut-off before the actual destruction occured on Luclin...the peoples there may have realized that something was about to happen, and decided to evacuate themselves. Unable to reach Norrath because of the distance, they may have instead opted to teleport to the much closer moon Drinal and terraform it themselves.

Homeskillet

07-15-2009, 06:31 PM

Luclin was always inhabitable, the goddess Luclin did no such thing. All she did was create the Akheva (immortal anyway), who considered the moon one big holy land. The moon did not just break apart, it shattered, exploded from within and hurled pieces of itself at Norrath. The rest of the smaller pieces spread out into what will likely be an encircling ring around Norrath.What the Shissar did wasn't some drastic change, they were powerful sorcerers and simply created a permanent area of space that was vaccum around their Temple. Luclin as far as her attention to her "critters" could be considered flighty at best. She let the Akheva engage in a destructive civil war and persecution, she took a random interest in Grieg the Geomancer and drove him mad. She let one of the men of Katta Castellum experiment with her own creature's blood to create the Coterie Vampires. She otherwise had no influence on the Vah Shir, Combine Loyalists or the kingdom of Seru.Drinal itself has always been unsupportive of life. A God, not a demi-god like Luclin would have to take an interest there to turn it into anything near habitable.

Dragowulf

07-15-2009, 06:38 PM

This could be a hint of how we would get to Odus for the next expansion. The Nexus was in fact the only(?) way to get to Luclin in EQ1, so if there's no way to get to Odus because of possibly a terrain or harsh seas then this would be the most logicial.Could it be that there really is a new Nexus located in Erudin or a new Nexus that's a new city itself inhabited by remnant of Erudin, Paineel, and the Quellethians(sp)?Lol...maybe I shouldn't dip my toes in the Lore forum

Lodrelhai

07-15-2009, 07:16 PM

Just finished speaking with a Kerra in Stonestair Byway, who tells what her ancestors saw of the Erudite transformation. I'll post the transcript after my commentary. Basics though - it was before the great wars (which throws out my theory that the erudites created a feedback loop with the real Nexus and THAT'S what blew up Luclin), they built a citadel with temples to both Paineel's and Erudin's patron gods in the Stonebrunt Mountains, and underneith the citadel was a base of concentrated arcane power. The new Nexus, would be my guess.Considerig the Kerra broke in as part of ongoing efforts to sabotage whatever the Erudites were up to, I wonder if they did more than just see these concentrated magical energies. If the accident that created the modern Erudites might have been due to some unknown and uncompensated fiddling.You say, "Hail, Nashii"Nashii says to you, "The presence of the Erudites amidst the reign of Lucan disturbs me. I do not think it's wise to get involved in their affairs. My advice to you, traveler, is to let them be; let their plans unfold and let their fate be achieved."You say to Nashii, "Why is their presence so disturbing? "Nashii says to you, "Aside from the turbulent history that binds my kin and the Erudites together as hated enemies, they have come beyond their natural selves. The nature of their magical evolution only lends to the suspicion of their more recent subservient disposition. "You say to Nashii, "Why would their evolution make them any more suspicious?"Nashii says to you, "The true nature and purpose behind the Erudites' evolution is a great mystery; one that I believe the Erudites themselves have yet to solve. They are known for meddling in forces that they cannot control, and that reputation alongside their current state of being is more than enough cause for distrust."You say to Nashii, "Can you explain this further?"Nashii says to you, "It is said that all Erudites on Odus set aside their differences some time before the great wars and the Shattering. The combined forces of the Heretics and disciples of Erud ventured to the Stonebrunt Mountains and built their fortress of tranquility and fear."You say to Nashii, "Why did the Erudites join forces?"Nashii says to you, "We are not entirely certain why the Erudites let their centuries-long feud come to an end. Some would say that it was in relation to the sudden dormancy of the great transportation monoliths. Others would claim that the High Men envisioned a far more elaborate plan. Certainly the Erudites themselves hold this answer, but it is one that they keep secret."You say to Nashii, "That is really strange; weren't they diametrically opposed religiously?"Nashii says to you, "Hehe, indeed, my friend. The citadel was designed to hold the temple to each of the patron deities these societies revered. The Erudites tried to conceal their work from the world beneath this citadel. However, history would not allow our ancestors to be so passive and unassuming."You say to Nashii, "What did the ancestors do?"Nashii says to you, "Our ancestors took to sabotaging the citadel's construction during the night. It was when the Erudites stationed more guards that the ancestors were forced to dig beneath the site. That was how they discovered the truth behind the Erudites' efforts."You say to Nashii, "Ok, now this is getting interesting. What did they discover?"Nashii says to you, "The Erudites had constructed a base of concentrated arcane power that was obviously the foundation and core of their plans. Fearing another catastrophic event engineered at the hands of careless Erudite meddling, the ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra Isle, abandoning their homeland to the inevitable fate of the continent. "You say to Nashii, "What was the inevitable fate?"Nashii says to you, "What happened shortly after the ancestors' retreat was both awesome and frightful. Nearly a week after the retreat, on the onset of dawn, a great sound echoed from the continent like the song of a thousand great whales. Within a few moments, the sound went still and all was suddenly quiet..."You say to Nashii, "What happened next?"Nashii says to you, "A cloud of mist radiated from the north, enshrouding the entirety of the continent and the surrounding shores in a thick, shimmering veil of impenetrable fog. All grew eerily quiet. This phenomenon lasted but a few short minutes before the mists retreated."You say to Nashii, "Oh, was the continent gone?! Is that what happened to Odus?"Nashii/a says to you, "No, Odus remained, and to the surprise of those who bore witness, it was as if nothing had occurred. The forests of Toxxulia remained and the snow-capped peaks of Stonebrunt could be seen upon the northern horizon. However, all remained silent and deathly still for the days that would pass."You say to Nashii, "Didn't your ancestors go explore?"Nashii says to you, "None dared to tread upon the land, believing it was now cursed or fouled by the Erudites' magic. As the first of the silent days passed, many came to accept that the Erudites had destroyed themselves and all living creatures upon the continent. A lunar cycle would pass before our ancestors learned otherwise."You say to Nashii, "What did the ancestors learn? What did they see?"Nashii says to you, "They saw the Erudites much as we see them now. Their altered forms frightened many, warding the ancestors from the continent for many generations to come. What magics occurred beneath the mist are a mystery. The Erudites will not share this tale openly with most, for we think that they too are without answers to their mysterious transformation."You say to Nashii, "That was interesting. Thanks for the story."

Homeskillet

07-15-2009, 08:52 PM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just finished speaking with a Kerra in Stonestair Byway, who tells what her ancestors saw of the Erudite transformation. I'll post the transcript after my commentary. Basics though - it was before the great wars (which throws out my theory that the erudites created a feedback loop with the real Nexus and THAT'S what blew up Luclin), they built a citadel with temples to both Paineel's and Erudin's patron gods in the Stonebrunt Mountains, and underneith the citadel was a base of concentrated arcane power. The new Nexus, would be my guess.Considerig the Kerra broke in as part of ongoing efforts to sabotage whatever the Erudites were up to, I wonder if they did more than just see these concentrated magical energies. If the accident that created the modern Erudites might have been due to some unknown and uncompensated fiddling.You say, "Hail, Nashii"Nashii says to you, "The presence of the Erudites amidst the reign of Lucan disturbs me. I do not think it's wise to get involved in their affairs. My advice to you, traveler, is to let them be; let their plans unfold and let their fate be achieved."You say to Nashii, "Why is their presence so disturbing? "Nashii says to you, "Aside from the turbulent history that binds my kin and the Erudites together as hated enemies, they have come beyond their natural selves. The nature of their magical evolution only lends to the suspicion of their more recent subservient disposition. "You say to Nashii, "Why would their evolution make them any more suspicious?"Nashii says to you, "The true nature and purpose behind the Erudites' evolution is a great mystery; one that I believe the Erudites themselves have yet to solve. They are known for meddling in forces that they cannot control, and that reputation alongside their current state of being is more than enough cause for distrust."You say to Nashii, "Can you explain this further?"Nashii says to you, "It is said that all Erudites on Odus set aside their differences some time before the great wars and the Shattering. The combined forces of the Heretics and disciples of Erud ventured to the Stonebrunt Mountains and built their fortress of tranquility and fear."You say to Nashii, "Why did the Erudites join forces?"Nashii says to you, "We are not entirely certain why the Erudites let their centuries-long feud come to an end. Some would say that it was in relation to the sudden dormancy of the great transportation monoliths. Others would claim that the High Men envisioned a far more elaborate plan. Certainly the Erudites themselves hold this answer, but it is one that they keep secret."You say to Nashii, "That is really strange; weren't they diametrically opposed religiously?"Nashii says to you, "Hehe, indeed, my friend. The citadel was designed to hold the temple to each of the patron deities these societies revered. The Erudites tried to conceal their work from the world beneath this citadel. However, history would not allow our ancestors to be so passive and unassuming."You say to Nashii, "What did the ancestors do?"Nashii says to you, "Our ancestors took to sabotaging the citadel's construction during the night. It was when the Erudites stationed more guards that the ancestors were forced to dig beneath the site. That was how they discovered the truth behind the Erudites' efforts."You say to Nashii, "Ok, now this is getting interesting. What did they discover?"Nashii says to you, "The Erudites had constructed a base of concentrated arcane power that was obviously the foundation and core of their plans. Fearing another catastrophic event engineered at the hands of careless Erudite meddling, the ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra Isle, abandoning their homeland to the inevitable fate of the continent. "You say to Nashii, "What was the inevitable fate?"Nashii says to you, "What happened shortly after the ancestors' retreat was both awesome and frightful. Nearly a week after the retreat, on the onset of dawn, a great sound echoed from the continent like the song of a thousand great whales. Within a few moments, the sound went still and all was suddenly quiet..."You say to Nashii, "What happened next?"Nashii says to you, "A cloud of mist radiated from the north, enshrouding the entirety of the continent and the surrounding shores in a thick, shimmering veil of impenetrable fog. All grew eerily quiet. This phenomenon lasted but a few short minutes before the mists retreated."You say to Nashii, "Oh, was the continent gone?! Is that what happened to Odus?"Nashii/a says to you, "No, Odus remained, and to the surprise of those who bore witness, it was as if nothing had occurred. The forests of Toxxulia remained and the snow-capped peaks of Stonebrunt could be seen upon the northern horizon. However, all remained silent and deathly still for the days that would pass."You say to Nashii, "Didn't your ancestors go explore?"Nashii says to you, "None dared to tread upon the land, believing it was now cursed or fouled by the Erudites' magic. As the first of the silent days passed, many came to accept that the Erudites had destroyed themselves and all living creatures upon the continent. A lunar cycle would pass before our ancestors learned otherwise."You say to Nashii, "What did the ancestors learn? What did they see?"Nashii says to you, "They saw the Erudites much as we see them now. Their altered forms frightened many, warding the ancestors from the continent for many generations to come. What magics occurred beneath the mist are a mystery. The Erudites will not share this tale openly with most, for we think that they too are without answers to their mysterious transformation."You say to Nashii, "That was interesting. Thanks for the story."</blockquote>Oh god! Kicking myself now, I remember seeing that around launch time and completely forgot about it. Thanks for posting it!

Foolsfolly

07-15-2009, 09:21 PM

Perhaps not the most reliable source of lore...but the best I could find on short notice:<a href="http://www.giantbomb.com/everquest-the-shadows-of-luclin/61-6204/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.giantbomb.com/everquest-...luclin/61-6204/</a>"The moon of Luclin has been hidden from most Norrathians for longer than anyone can remember. It is tidally locked to Norrath, so one half of the moon is always in direct sunlight, while the other side looms in an eternal darkness. The moon is named after the goddess of shadows, a sub-deity. The Maiden of Shadows is said to manifest herself as a short, thin woman with solid black skin and short silver hair. Legend states that after Veeshan scarred the continent of Velious, claiming Norrath as her own, the other gods followed and took interest in the planet as well. They began dividing up the lands, claiming regions for themselves. While the other gods bickered over Norrath, Luclin claimed the barren, ringed moon for herself. Through sheer will, she infused life into the desolate rock. Luclin then kept her world hidden from the mortals of Norrath via The Veil."So yeah, I believe Luclin was not originally habitable, being half frozen in eternal darkness and half scorched in eternal sunlight. Luclin, demi-god though she may be, still had enough power to make it habitable so that she could create her lifeforms there.And while Luclin may not always show the greatest concern for the welfare of her creatures, having your moon blown up is the kind of thing to make even the most fleeting of gods take interest. I would be very surprised if she did not either save her critters, or evacuate them to a new home.

Dragowulf

07-15-2009, 09:39 PM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>And while Luclin may not always show the greatest concern for the welfare of her creatures, having your moon blown up is the kind of thing to make even the most fleeting of gods take interest. I would be very surprised if she did not either save her critters, or evacuate them to a new home.</blockquote>This is true. Why would someone show carelessness towards a planet they put life on? While she was never seen after the influence she had on Luclin, I'm sure she cared. Otherwise the life she created would have been in vain. Is is likely that she did something with them at the last moment knowing destruction was nigh.

Zabjade

07-15-2009, 09:40 PM

I wonder if the two Nexus's heterodyned, with the artifical one being stabilized and causing magical fallout on the Erudites and destabilizing Luclin...It wasn't the Gnomes, but the Erudites!

Josgar

07-15-2009, 10:36 PM

Josgar walks up into the room and sits down. His nose is pointed toward the sky as usual.The Koada'Dal are superior to the Erudites. We never blew up any planets!<hr />I wonder what the metamorphosis looked like.What was the tidbit on Luclin from the Palace of New Tunaria?ANDI'm going to be a sad panda if we cannot go to Kerra Island!

Zabjade

07-15-2009, 10:42 PM

I want that Isle in Erud's Crossing, as for High Elves never blowing up a world, it's because they are so stagnated that they can't get up the gumption to do so ;p .

Neskonlith

07-15-2009, 10:47 PM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>...It wasn't the Gnomes, but the Erudites! </blockquote>Wouldn't that be funny to discover? Gnomes with experimental explosives have endured needless suspicion for too long!

Josgar

07-15-2009, 10:51 PM

<cite>Neskonlith wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>...It wasn't the Gnomes, but the Erudites! </blockquote>Wouldn't that be funny to discover? Gnomes with experimental explosives have endured needless suspicion for too long!</blockquote>Does that mean we can now punt Erudites? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lodrelhai

07-15-2009, 11:07 PM

<cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>And while Luclin may not always show the greatest concern for the welfare of her creatures, having your moon blown up is the kind of thing to make even the most fleeting of gods take interest. I would be very surprised if she did not either save her critters, or evacuate them to a new home.</blockquote>This is true. Why would someone show carelessness towards a planet they put life on? While she was never seen after the influence she had on Luclin, I'm sure she cared. Otherwise the life she created would have been in vain. Is is likely that she did something with them at the last moment knowing destruction was nigh.</blockquote>See: VeeshanAnd yes, I still want her as a worshipable diety for my dirge.

Dragowulf

07-15-2009, 11:28 PM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>And while Luclin may not always show the greatest concern for the welfare of her creatures, having your moon blown up is the kind of thing to make even the most fleeting of gods take interest. I would be very surprised if she did not either save her critters, or evacuate them to a new home.</blockquote>This is true. Why would someone show carelessness towards a planet they put life on? While she was never seen after the influence she had on Luclin, I'm sure she cared. Otherwise the life she created would have been in vain. Is is likely that she did something with them at the last moment knowing destruction was nigh.</blockquote>See: VeeshanAnd yes, I still want her as a worshipable diety for my dirge.</blockquote>Yeah, but Veeshan is different. Veeshan is the dragon of dragons, the badass of badasses.

Cusashorn

07-15-2009, 11:31 PM

<cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote>Drinal itself has always been unsupportive of life. A God, not a demi-god like Luclin would have to take an interest there to turn it into anything near habitable.</blockquote>Luclin is a lesser god, not a Demi-God. Demi-gods are mortals turned into gods. Lesser Gods, like Druzzil Ro, are full-born gods who control a lesser influence of nature, but still has just as much power as the rest. Case in point: Druzzil Ro. She has Deus Ex Machina on her side that litterally overpowered everything the Elemental Gods themselves tried to do.All the same, I wouldn't count on Drinal being anything more than an airless rock in the sky for Everquest's lore. In fact, it's been nothing more than an airless and simple rock since the game started. To me, it makes more sense to forever leave it as a place that *COULD* be developed, instead of actually developing it.

Morghus

07-15-2009, 11:35 PM

<cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>And while Luclin may not always show the greatest concern for the welfare of her creatures, having your moon blown up is the kind of thing to make even the most fleeting of gods take interest. I would be very surprised if she did not either save her critters, or evacuate them to a new home.</blockquote>This is true. Why would someone show carelessness towards a planet they put life on? While she was never seen after the influence she had on Luclin, I'm sure she cared. Otherwise the life she created would have been in vain. Is is likely that she did something with them at the last moment knowing destruction was nigh.</blockquote>See: VeeshanAnd yes, I still want her as a worshipable diety for my dirge.</blockquote>Yeah, but Veeshan is different. Veeshan is the dragon of dragons, the badass of badasses.</blockquote>Exactly. She populated Norrath with life and then left and was never heard from again in any way, shape, or form even as the fate of her dragons grow more bleak.

shadowscale

07-15-2009, 11:52 PM

<cite>Morghus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>And while Luclin may not always show the greatest concern for the welfare of her creatures, having your moon blown up is the kind of thing to make even the most fleeting of gods take interest. I would be very surprised if she did not either save her critters, or evacuate them to a new home.</blockquote>This is true. Why would someone show carelessness towards a planet they put life on? While she was never seen after the influence she had on Luclin, I'm sure she cared. Otherwise the life she created would have been in vain. Is is likely that she did something with them at the last moment knowing destruction was nigh.</blockquote>See: VeeshanAnd yes, I still want her as a worshipable diety for my dirge.</blockquote>Yeah, but Veeshan is different. Veeshan is the dragon of dragons, the badass of badasses.</blockquote>Exactly. She populated Norrath with life and then left and was never heard from again in any way, shape, or form even as the fate of her dragons grow more bleak.</blockquote>i remember reading somewhere that she was captured by the other gods and forced into sleep caged in the plane of dreams under the watch of monel thul. i really wish i could remember where i heard that... it was some time ago. i think it was the explentation why she wasent in the plane of sky in EQ1.i would LOVE to be able to follow her. so far all the other gods are temporary. im hopeing she is unlocked when Velious is found by allying with the claws of veeshan.

Cusashorn

07-16-2009, 12:21 AM

That's... pretty farfetched... But Morrel Thule of all the gods... At least he's not evil.

Homeskillet

07-16-2009, 04:11 AM

Luclin's only creation upon the moon that bears her name were the immortal Akheva. She did not create the Tegi, the Thought Horrors, or the many other beings upon that moon that did not emmigrate there from Norrath. The Elysians for example are beings of spiritual energy of the four elemental planes. They were already there before the Akheva, as the Akheva were the ones who inadvertantly destroyed them. I dont think she made it habitable so much as claimed it as hers.

Mary the Prophetess

07-16-2009, 04:34 AM

Not to dash anyone's hopes, but:In EQ Live if you go to the Plane of Time, and enter the rift that takes you to the void, (not sure if is the same as EQ2's void), you will encounter this:<img src="http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/agh1950/eqgame-2009-04-01-07-33-01-42.jpg?t=1247729484" />

Lodrelhai

07-16-2009, 05:00 AM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not to dash anyone's hopes, but:In EQ Live if you go to the Plane of Time, and enter the rift that takes you to the void, (not sure if is the same as EQ2's void), you will encounter this:<img src="http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/agh1950/eqgame-2009-04-01-07-33-01-42.jpg?t=1247729484" /></blockquote>It's a different void - in their case it's the remains of the solar system after Norrath was destroyed and... something happened to the sun, I forget what but I remember reading a description that it's dying.Still, Veeshan's corpse - seems she actually might come back, hm?As for the story of Veeshan being subdued and put to sleep, I'd love to know where that came from; if you find the source, please share! Honestly though, it sounds sort of like someone confused the story of how Norrath was populated (Veeshan came first, the other gods disliked her claiming the planet for her children and started adding their own races) with the story of Kerafyrm (subdued by all the dragons - and possibly with Veeshan's assistance as they called on her for help - and placed into an endless sleep).

Cusashorn

07-16-2009, 06:24 AM

Come on Mary. Even you know by now that EQlive goes by a completely different timeline that has no connection to us.There are literally two Voids that exist. One in EQlive and one in EQ2. Neither void will ever be connected to each other.The Void in EQlive is the direct result of the invasion of the Legion of Mata Muram or whatever his name was. The creatures from Discord. That is EQ's most threatening force against their existance, and Seeds of Destruction shows what happens after they finally destroyed Norrath. That is their void.Our Void will never involve the Discordian invaders. Our void is the Shadowmen, who wish to destroy Norrath by sucking it up into the galactic black hole in The Void, a dimension that exists separate from time and space because it has to exist. This is our void. It's the most threatening force we have to deal with. The two will never cross because it's what seperates each other from each other.But this is going off topic for what this thread is about. Veeshan's life isn't in any danger as far as we know, and even if it was, I don't think we'd be finding out about it, considering her complete lack of involvement with Norrath.

kyrr

07-16-2009, 08:00 AM

<cite>Josgar@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote>What was the tidbit on Luclin from the Palace of New Tunaria?</blockquote>You get an object to put in the throne and it shows Luclin exploding. The explosion was the prophesy that had been kept secret by Queen Eli(something or other).

Barx

07-16-2009, 09:57 AM

Banditman

07-16-2009, 02:13 PM

Seeing Veeshan's Corpse in the Plane of Time void in EQLive doesn't prove or disprove anything about the current state of Veeshan in our timeline.For instance, it could be that Veeshan was killed many thousand years ago, the corpse preserved in that void found in the PoT. In which case, that would make it canon to EQ2 - it happened before the split.On the other hand, Veeshan could have died only moments before you entered the void there, in which case it would have happened after the timeline split, meaning Veeshan could be alive in our timeline.Interesting pic, but it proves nothing in either direction, sadly.

ke'la

07-16-2009, 03:10 PM

So it looks like we where cut off from the Nexus, and therefor from Luclin, not only prior to the shaddering but prior to the great wars...ie, Second Rallosain and the War of the Fay...and the Euriodites tried to create a new Nexus about that time, that would put the time line for the story just put in the game at between 400 and 500 years ago, near the start of the Age of Cataclisams.Also remember one of the FIRST things the Gods did to punish us for what Happened in the Plains is cut off our access to the Nexus, the Second thing was remove nearly all of thier influance..."So to all the Luclin saved her childern" people, even if she wanted to save them she couldn't without voiding the agreement among the other gods, and getting a smackdown because of it.

Cusashorn

07-16-2009, 03:56 PM

Transportation to Luclin and the Nexus was cut off within the first 50 years, Ke'la. Long *LOOOOONG* before either of the two wars (three if you count the one that happened up on Luclin), the Rending, or Shattering itself happened.

TaleraRis

07-17-2009, 02:13 AM

<cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>This could be a hint of how we would get to Odus for the next expansion. The Nexus was in fact the only(?) way to get to Luclin in EQ1</blockquote>During SoL it was. PoP brought PoK and the book connections to the Nexus and Shadeweaver's Thicket.

lemey

07-17-2009, 05:21 AM

"So to all the Luclin saved her childern" people, even if she wanted to save them she couldn't without voiding the agreement among the other gods, and getting a smackdown because of it.Well actually as Luclin had no dealings with the pantheon whatsoever she would probably not feel obliged to be held to that agreement

Lodrelhai

07-17-2009, 08:10 AM

Whether she would feel obliged, and whether the pantheon would feel she was obliged may be two different thing. It's entirely possible Luclin might have said "forget the rest of you" and done her own thing for her people. It's also entirely possible that the other gods would have had some major issues with her trying, and possibly prevented her from intervening if they could.

kyrr

07-17-2009, 09:43 AM

Out of curiosity, since the devs stated it'll be Odus why are we talking about Luclin?All we can take for granted is what's in the book. The dialogue may be related (and it seems to be) but it might not be either.

Cusashorn

07-17-2009, 12:11 PM

<cite>Gwyneth@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>This could be a hint of how we would get to Odus for the next expansion. The Nexus was in fact the only(?) way to get to Luclin in EQ1</blockquote>During SoL it was. PoP brought PoK and the book connections to the Nexus and Shadeweaver's Thicket.</blockquote>Those were long gone by this point in history too.

Coniaric

07-17-2009, 04:55 PM

<cite>kyrrah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Out of curiosity, since the devs stated it'll be Odus why are we talking about Luclin?</blockquote>Because the Erudites were planning to build a new Nexus. The original Nexus was the core of Luclin until the teleportation was terminated after the gods removed themselves from Norrath.__________________________________________________ __________As for Luclin obliging to the Quellious' compromise, why won't she?Bottom line, the mortal races were invading the Planes ... instead of honoring or be awed, or even feared, they killed the very dieties that created them or guided them. I doubt Luclin will be foolish enough to assume the mortals won't find their way to her Plane of Shadows and kill her there. She would be better off withdrawing her influence and keep her plane closed to the mortal races.

Delow

07-17-2009, 05:07 PM

Actually cutting us off from the Nexus was not part of the punishment by the gods. That was done by Rallos and Solusek Ro in defiance of the pantheon's decision as they wanted to exact revenge on mortals for their arrogant invasion of their realms. The pantheon wanted to remove all of their influence from Norrath and close all access to the planes as punishment. The Nexus was created by the Combine Empire long, long ago.The goal of taking the Nexus was to use it as a staging point to attack Norrath and ultimatly wipe out all mortals by using the power Solusek Ro had stolen from his fathers plane (Fennin Ro). The mortals who were in the Nexus and near it fought back against the minons of Solusek and Rallos to defend the Nexus. The power Solusek took from his fathers plane was brought through the rift into the Nexus and it was detonated, resulting in the destruction of the Nexus and Luclin.

Llogwey

07-17-2009, 05:24 PM

mmh I am ok with almost everything in your statement Cusa except some little but important things : The Void is not a dimension in itself, it has no original ecosystem or anything. "Everything that can be found in the void comes from other worlds/dimensions/planes... They end up there, and everything that lingers in the void ends up corrupted in all ways... like being exposed to high radioactivity for a long time" the void (in eq2) is some kind of ether, cement between worlds/dimensions but not a dimension in itself... Even Ethernere somehow is a dimension for the dead, while the void is not... You will ask me evidences of what I say or proofs... the only evidences or proofs I can give you is that this information in quotes was given to us during debates on befallen.lore by our most beloved "bard".... I don't think I am the only witness of this statement as we were several there by the time he mentionned it...

Zabjade

07-17-2009, 10:57 PM

I don't know why this popped into my head, or even if it's relevent. For some reason the mention of the Nexus being a possible only way to Odus made me think of Tarton's wheel and how it's "incomplete." Probably not but sometimes you have to at least state what your insticts say no matter if they are relevent.

Cusashorn

07-18-2009, 02:07 AM

<cite>Llogwey wrote:</cite><blockquote>mmh I am ok with almost everything in your statement Cusa except some little but important things : The Void is not a dimension in itself, it has no original ecosystem or anything. "Everything that can be found in the void comes from other worlds/dimensions/planes... They end up there, and everything that lingers in the void ends up corrupted in all ways... like being exposed to high radioactivity for a long time" the void (in eq2) is some kind of ether, cement between worlds/dimensions but not a dimension in itself... Even Ethernere somehow is a dimension for the dead, while the void is not... You will ask me evidences of what I say or proofs... the only evidences or proofs I can give you is that this information in quotes was given to us during debates on befallen.lore by our most beloved "bard".... I don't think I am the only witness of this statement as we were several there by the time he mentionned it... </blockquote>It's still a "Dimension" in the very sense of the word. It's not physically connected as part of Norrath or the planes. It's an alternate reality in itself. It's very existance is part of the universe's nature, because it HAS to exist.Since I don't care about the lore channel (Kithicor 70-79 is too much to follow as is), I must ask when the last time Vhalen popped in to give some insight. He's been gone for 16 months now. From your description of what the Void is, it sounds exactly like what he told us it was here on the boards. I see no reason why it shouldn't be treated as another dimension by name alone.

ke'la

07-18-2009, 03:16 AM

<cite>Odeius@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually cutting us off from the Nexus was not part of the punishment by the gods. That was done by Rallos and Solusek Ro in defiance of the pantheon's decision as they wanted to exact revenge on mortals for their arrogant invasion of their realms. The pantheon wanted to remove all of their influence from Norrath and close all access to the planes as punishment. The Nexus was created by the Combine Empire long, long ago.The goal of taking the Nexus was to use it as a staging point to attack Norrath and ultimatly wipe out all mortals by using the power Solusek Ro had stolen from his fathers plane (Fennin Ro). The mortals who were in the Nexus and near it fought back against the minons of Solusek and Rallos to defend the Nexus. The power Solusek took from his fathers plane was brought through the rift into the Nexus and it was detonated, resulting in the destruction of the Nexus and Luclin.</blockquote>Use being cut off from the Nexus was a way to cut us off from each other and make it harder for us to gain power by working together, the whoe Devide and Concer thing, and while yes it was Rallos and Solusek's idea to cut us off, it was part of the Quellious compromis, Rallos and Solusek just wanted to go all "Great Flood" on us and wipe us out.As for the timeline of the Cut-off to the Shaddering, remember those two events are atleast 435 years apart, We where cut off from the Nexus about 50 year or so after the time split, at the start of the Age of Cataclisms, the Shaddering if I remember correctly was the last claticlism and that took place about 15 years befor the start of EQ2. That is where I get 435 years between events... while I guess a war could go on that long on Luclin, I don't think it was a direct result the Gods doing anything up there, it was more the Races alread there doing something that caused it to go boom.

kyrr

07-18-2009, 08:19 AM

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kyrrah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Out of curiosity, since the devs stated it'll be Odus why are we talking about Luclin?</blockquote>Because the Erudites were planning to build a new Nexus. The original Nexus was the core of Luclin until the teleportation was terminated after the gods removed themselves from Norrath.</blockquote>Ok, but what says the purpose of this Nexus would be the same as that Nexus? Maybe they wanted to do something different.I'm not as big a lore fiend as others in here but I don't want our assumptions to lead us in the wrong direction.A year ago I remember posting I thought they'd bring Anashti and Rodcet in the xpac and getting shot down.....

Coniaric

07-18-2009, 04:40 PM

<cite>kyrrah wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kyrrah wrote:</cite><blockquote>Out of curiosity, since the devs stated it'll be Odus why are we talking about Luclin?</blockquote>Because the Erudites were planning to build a new Nexus. The original Nexus was the core of Luclin until the teleportation was terminated after the gods removed themselves from Norrath.</blockquote>Ok, but what says the purpose of this Nexus would be the same as that Nexus? Maybe they wanted to do something different.I'm not as big a lore fiend as others in here but I don't want our assumptions to lead us in the wrong direction.A year ago I remember posting I thought they'd bring Anashti and Rodcet in the xpac and getting shot down.....</blockquote>Well, keep this in mind ... once the teleportation was terminated. No one can travel around Norrath nor to and from Luclin. All the spires were nonfunctional. All the wizards lost their ability to teleport themselves and other party members.All people had left were the overland transportation and shipping routes which take much longer.General theory is that the Nexus facilicated in the teleportation process. So if the Erudites decided to build another Nexus on Odus, it is likely they wanted the ability to teleport back which will makes it easier to travel around Norrath. They did succeed because of the Ulteran spires that popped up all over Antonica (which eventually got destroyed until the Kingdom of Sky period).Another thing, this doesn't necessarily mean the Nexus has just one use. Erudites may wanted to do something more with it, not simply for teleportation. Typically their aim is to "better" themselves through their magical studies and the results were not exactly what they expected.

LordPazuzu

07-18-2009, 06:18 PM

<cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote>What people have to remember is that it wasn't just "The Diaku and minions of Solusek Ro attack the Nexus then BOOM 5 mins later it blows up".There was a LONG time where Norrath and Luclin were cut off, but Luclin was not yet destroyed. It's not necessarily a strange notion to think that the Erudites had the magic and technology to construct a New Nexus, after all....who arrived first in the Overrealm of all the Norrathians that were not Veeshan's children?Who were the ones who spearheaded the construction of the destroyed wizard spires into spires that teleported us into the previously unreachable Overrealm?Erudites <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>I don't think anyone really knows what happened between the time the Diaku and Minions of Ro attacked and the Shattering. We do know that they brought a massive gem that was probably the Dresolik with them and the Dresolik had MASSIVE destructive potential.Cusa is right, the New Nexus probably refered to the Ulteran Spire network which was blown to hell.<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Whether she would feel obliged, and whether the pantheon would feel she was obliged may be two different thing. It's entirely possible Luclin might have said "forget the rest of you" and done her own thing for her people. It's also entirely possible that the other gods would have had some major issues with her trying, and possibly prevented her from intervening if they could.</blockquote>*If* Luclin were so inclined to do anything like this, it would probably amount to whisking the Ahkevans off to another location and leaving it at that. That's even if she felt so inclined and she didn't strike me as a merciful goddess.Whether or not she complied with the general pantheon's decree to leave Norrath, we don't know. All we know is that her veil remained in place up until the moment the moon was Shattered. Hell, maybe Luclin participated in the Shattering. That would be a novel concept. She veiled the moon to keep outsiders away and here we were charging in regardless and killing everything in sight. We ransacked her realm every bit as much as we did the Planes.

Compas

07-18-2009, 11:38 PM

The Nexus was already there when the Combine Empire escaped to Luclin. Infact when the the emperor was escaping Seru and when Griegg ported them away they were trapped inside the moon not on the serface like they planned due to the nexus. The Nexus itself predates even the combine empire.Compas80 NecromancerUnrest

Homeskillet

07-19-2009, 01:16 AM

<cite>Compas wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Nexus was already there when the Combine Empire escaped to Luclin. Infact when the the emperor was escaping Seru and when Griegg ported them away they were trapped inside the moon not on the serface like they planned due to the nexus. The Nexus itself predates even the combine empire.Compas80 NecromancerUnrest</blockquote>No.

teddyboy4

07-19-2009, 02:06 AM

<cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Compas wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Nexus was already there when the Combine Empire escaped to Luclin. Infact when the the emperor was escaping Seru and when Griegg ported them away they were trapped inside the moon not on the serface like they planned due to the nexus. The Nexus itself predates even the combine empire.Compas80 NecromancerUnrest</blockquote>No.</blockquote>YesThe Nexus was already there when the Combine ported themselves up to Luclin...it wasn't the shiney Marble Nexus we were familiar with by the time we found our way up there back in SoL, it was actually only a cave w/ the Mysterious Black Stone lodged in the center.And the Combine, were, in fact, trapped in the center of Luclin as when they arrived on, well in actually, Luclin they found themseves in the cave that later became the known as the Nexus. They weren't planning on arriving in that cave, they were drawn there by the Stone presumably, and worked their way out from there. That's why Shadow Haven is such a big city (relatively speaking), b/c it was the Combine's first home on Luclin.Finally, yes the Nexus does predate the Combine, as do the Spires around Norrath, and the Mysterious Black Stone found in the cave later known as the Nexus.

Cusashorn

07-19-2009, 03:18 AM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Compas wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Nexus was already there when the Combine Empire escaped to Luclin. Infact when the the emperor was escaping Seru and when Griegg ported them away they were trapped inside the moon not on the serface like they planned due to the nexus. The Nexus itself predates even the combine empire.Compas80 NecromancerUnrest</blockquote>No.</blockquote>YesThe Nexus was already there when the Combine ported themselves up to Luclin...it wasn't the shiney Marble Nexus we were familiar with by the time we found our way up there back in SoL, it was actually only a cave w/ the Mysterious Black Stone lodged in the center.And the Combine, were, in fact, trapped in the center of Luclin as when they arrived on, well in actually, Luclin they found themseves in the cave that later became the known as the Nexus. They weren't planning on arriving in that cave, they were drawn there by the Stone presumably, and worked their way out from there. That's why Shadow Haven is such a big city (relatively speaking), b/c it was the Combine's first home on Luclin.Finally, yes the Nexus does predate the Combine, as do the Spires around Norrath, and the Mysterious Black Stone found in the cave later known as the Nexus.</blockquote>The nexus didn't exist when the Combine Empire ported there. They created the Nexus, in both name and physical form after a while. The oily black substance (which I don't believe was ever stated to be a solid or liquid, but physically looked like a liquid in the game) was there, yes, and it was what pulled them there when they ported, but they built the Nexus after that.

Homeskillet

07-19-2009, 03:35 AM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Compas wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Nexus was already there when the Combine Empire escaped to Luclin. Infact when the the emperor was escaping Seru and when Griegg ported them away they were trapped inside the moon not on the serface like they planned due to the nexus. The Nexus itself predates even the combine empire.Compas80 NecromancerUnrest</blockquote>No.</blockquote>YesThe Nexus was already there when the Combine ported themselves up to Luclin...it wasn't the shiney Marble Nexus we were familiar with by the time we found our way up there back in SoL, it was actually only a cave w/ the Mysterious Black Stone lodged in the center.And the Combine, were, in fact, trapped in the center of Luclin as when they arrived on, well in actually, Luclin they found themseves in the cave that later became the known as the Nexus. They weren't planning on arriving in that cave, they were drawn there by the Stone presumably, and worked their way out from there. That's why Shadow Haven is such a big city (relatively speaking), b/c it was the Combine's first home on Luclin.Finally, yes the Nexus does predate the Combine, as do the Spires around Norrath, and the Mysterious Black Stone found in the cave later known as the Nexus.</blockquote>See above for Cusa's comment, the Nexus was built by them, as were the existing spires around Norrath, one of the central hubs being in Kunark where Teren's Grasp now resides.

Coniaric

07-19-2009, 04:31 AM

You all are missing the point. It doesn't matter who built what. Or when.It's the unknown substance that matters here. It is what made the Nexus ... the Nexus. The spires were the focal centers that channel the arcane energy that enable anyone to travel from one point to another - Norrath to Luclin, and back.The factions of Erudites were joining together to create that and it will provide what they needed. Arcane - magical - energy for whatever reason. The Combine (or whatever) spires are just a bunch of pretty, and big, structures in absence of that substance.

Homeskillet

07-19-2009, 05:39 AM

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Rainmare

07-19-2009, 05:50 AM

I get what your saying Con.it really is what you define as the 'Nexus'.do you define it as the structure/containment that the Combine built, the pads that lead to teh various spires...or do you define the Nexus as the 'oily black substance' that was already there.supposedly it wasn't a miscalulation on Grieg's part. the 'oily substance' supposedly acted like a huge magnet and dragged them to itself. Shadowhaven grew around it, mostly from the magi studying it to figure out how to get back home. basically Luclin before they arrived in the moon itslef was a satellite in more ways then one. you used the spire on Velious..you zap up from there toward the black goo, the rest of your spell kicks in and deposits you at the spire in say Kunark. much lke our modern satellites beaming singals from one place to another.in that case, yes, the nexus they were trying to build was for teleportation, trying to recreate the 'oily black substance'. the result was the Ulterean spire network...and probably massive genetic/magical alteration of thier race, and the mass translocation of Odus to who the heck knows where.

KniteShayd

07-20-2009, 08:33 AM

If the Erudites did try to build a Nexus, for whatever reason, My guess is that they screwed up in trying to replicate, harness, or work the "substance" that was the source of power for the spires.As far as Luclin, herself, goes - She has never made pacts or agreements with other gods. As we know, She is very whimsy. She is a chaotic-nuetral and selfish goddess. SO, until a dev touches upon her, or puts info about her in game regarding her and the moon, we will never know if she acted on the events of EQ2's history. She is not bound by the pact the gods made, as her influence never affected Norrath. If it ever did, it was by her affecting the moon, which affected Norrath due to it's close proximity. That, and her rescuing endangered races by placing them on the moon.

ke'la

07-20-2009, 11:55 AM

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>If the Erudites did try to build a Nexus, for whatever reason, My guess is that they screwed up in trying to replicate, harness, or work the "substance" that was the source of power for the spires.As far as Luclin, herself, goes - She has never made pacts or agreements with other gods. As we know, She is very whimsy. She is a chaotic-nuetral and selfish goddess. SO, until a dev touches upon her, or puts info about her in game regarding her and the moon, we will never know if she acted on the events of EQ2's history. She is not bound by the pact the gods made, as her influence never affected Norrath. If it ever did, it was by her affecting the moon, which affected Norrath due to it's close proximity. That, and her rescuing endangered races by placing them on the moon.</blockquote>Like others have said befor, it doesn't matter if she deems herself bound or not, it is wheither or not the rest of the gods felt she was bound or not, and wheither or not they would act to prevent her from interfering.

Cusashorn

07-20-2009, 12:46 PM

Luclin didn't "place endangered species on Norrath". Those owlbears were captured by poachers and taken to the Freeport Zoo. They escaped during transport, ran into Nektulos forest, and grew feral.The Thought Horrors are literally never explained, and most likely never will be.

Homeskillet

07-20-2009, 05:07 PM

Bah okay I have to correct myself about a couple things. The "Combine" spires, were not built by the Combine, but by the Shissar. The Combine discovered they could be used for teleportation around Norrath by the construction of a pyramid within or near the spires. Thus they used them but they were not responsible for the construction of the quadroliths themselves.The black sphere found at the site of the Nexus was believed to be left behind by the Shissar who came before them, and so as they researched it and wanted to find a way back to Norrath they constructed the Nexus, in a fashion modeling them after the spires found on Norrath.

Foolsfolly

07-20-2009, 06:00 PM

The Erudites have established a manner of contact with Luclin in the past, without the use of the spires. Remember how we ended up with Vah`Shir?We know that they have been working on some big project. They have had a lot of time to study their original experiment and possibly try to reproduce it. They could well have learned to travel to other worlds without spires or circles.The oily black substance was created through means which we do not understand, and we know very little about it beyond the fact that it's teleportation-enhancing powers are beyond anything else we've found on norrath. It is entirely possible that this artifact may have been created strong enough to withstand any explosion, and that it could be up there just waiting for us to come harness it's power again.I realize it's not very likely...I'm just saying that the possibility is there, that they could be attempting to rebuild the Nexus in Luclin.

Mirander_1

07-20-2009, 06:44 PM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Erudites have established a manner of contact with Luclin in the past, without the use of the spires. Remember how we ended up with Vah`Shir?</blockquote>Well, that wasn't exactly teleportation, that was blasting their city off the face of Norrath and having it smash into Luclin big-fiery-comet style.

teddyboy4

07-20-2009, 06:47 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The nexus didn't exist when the Combine Empire ported there. They created the Nexus, in both name and physical form after a while. The oily black substance (which I don't believe was ever stated to be a solid or liquid, but physically looked like a liquid in the game) was there, yes, and it was what pulled them there when they ported, but they built the Nexus after that.</blockquote>The Nexus was indeed the Nexus before the Combine ported themselves up there, just as the spires were around before they starting using them. As I said earlier, the Combine were the ones that built the structures in the room that they named the Nexus, but I believe the power behind it was there way before they arrived. Many people, both residents of Norrath and of Earth, give credit for the building of the spires and The Nexus to the Combine Empire, but they weren't responsible for either. They were just the last users of these places, so people gave them credit for their design and building, although I think it was most likely the Shissar, but I have a feeling it wasn't and that someone else built it all before even they were on the scene.Also, I don't think the sphere (which was actually simply called a "large black sphere of swirling mist" in the SoL manual, in the story which relates the poisoning of Tsaph Katta, and all that) was simply an object that drew them there, I think that was the power behind the Nexus itself, and likely the whole spire network, but I doubt we're likely to get confirmation one way or the other on that at this point.

Cusashorn

07-21-2009, 12:25 AM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The nexus didn't exist when the Combine Empire ported there. They created the Nexus, in both name and physical form after a while. The oily black substance (which I don't believe was ever stated to be a solid or liquid, but physically looked like a liquid in the game) was there, yes, and it was what pulled them there when they ported, but they built the Nexus after that.</blockquote>The Nexus was indeed the Nexus before the Combine ported themselves up there, just as the spires were around before they starting using them. As I said earlier, the Combine were the ones that built the structures in the room that they named the Nexus, but I believe the power behind it was there way before they arrived. Many people, both residents of Norrath and of Earth, give credit for the building of the spires and The Nexus to the Combine Empire, but they weren't responsible for either. They were just the last users of these places, so people gave them credit for their design and building, although I think it was most likely the Shissar, but I have a feeling it wasn't and that someone else built it all before even they were on the scene.Also, I don't think the sphere (which was actually simply called a "large black sphere of swirling mist" in the SoL manual, in the story which relates the poisoning of Tsaph Katta, and all that) was simply an object that drew them there, I think that was the power behind the Nexus itself, and likely the whole spire network, but I doubt we're likely to get confirmation one way or the other on that at this point.</blockquote>Maybe I'm the only one who's thinking this, but I think you folks are thinking that the black substance is the Nexus itself.We really do not know what it is or what it's called. We know that it's the reason why they were ported there, so thats why you call the substance itself "The Nexus". We don't know what this stuff is, so in a manner of speaking, the Nexus didn't exist until they created it after they ported there.

Coniaric

07-21-2009, 04:11 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The nexus didn't exist when the Combine Empire ported there. They created the Nexus, in both name and physical form after a while. The oily black substance (which I don't believe was ever stated to be a solid or liquid, but physically looked like a liquid in the game) was there, yes, and it was what pulled them there when they ported, but they built the Nexus after that.</blockquote>The Nexus was indeed the Nexus before the Combine ported themselves up there, just as the spires were around before they starting using them. As I said earlier, the Combine were the ones that built the structures in the room that they named the Nexus, but I believe the power behind it was there way before they arrived. Many people, both residents of Norrath and of Earth, give credit for the building of the spires and The Nexus to the Combine Empire, but they weren't responsible for either. They were just the last users of these places, so people gave them credit for their design and building, although I think it was most likely the Shissar, but I have a feeling it wasn't and that someone else built it all before even they were on the scene.Also, I don't think the sphere (which was actually simply called a "large black sphere of swirling mist" in the SoL manual, in the story which relates the poisoning of Tsaph Katta, and all that) was simply an object that drew them there, I think that was the power behind the Nexus itself, and likely the whole spire network, but I doubt we're likely to get confirmation one way or the other on that at this point.</blockquote>Maybe I'm the only one who's thinking this, but I think you folks are thinking that the black substance is the Nexus itself.We really do not know what it is or what it's called. We know that it's the reason why they were ported there, so thats why you call the substance itself "The Nexus". We don't know what this stuff is, so in a manner of speaking, the Nexus didn't exist until they created it after they ported there.</blockquote>I, for one, do not think the substance is called the Nexus.I do believe the substance is the power behind the Nexus and therefore is of a signficance. The Erudites see it that way. Whatever they had build ... they can give it any name imaginable if they care to ... the power is what they are seeking to recreate. Then the new "Nexus" has a function, not a simply a room or a chamber._____________________________On other post, the story was from about 400 years ago. Long before Luclin was destroyed. The Nexus was still intact up there, just not working.Erudites are not trying to recreate the Nexus now (as of EQ2). They were trying to recreate a new Nexus back then._____________________________On yet another subject, the goddess Luclin is still one of the pantheon. She is not an exception. When the Tome of Destiny said virtually all the gods are present at the council ... that mean all of them - barring some deaths or fading away.

LordPazuzu

07-21-2009, 05:35 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The nexus didn't exist when the Combine Empire ported there. They created the Nexus, in both name and physical form after a while. The oily black substance (which I don't believe was ever stated to be a solid or liquid, but physically looked like a liquid in the game) was there, yes, and it was what pulled them there when they ported, but they built the Nexus after that.</blockquote>The Nexus was indeed the Nexus before the Combine ported themselves up there, just as the spires were around before they starting using them. As I said earlier, the Combine were the ones that built the structures in the room that they named the Nexus, but I believe the power behind it was there way before they arrived. Many people, both residents of Norrath and of Earth, give credit for the building of the spires and The Nexus to the Combine Empire, but they weren't responsible for either. They were just the last users of these places, so people gave them credit for their design and building, although I think it was most likely the Shissar, but I have a feeling it wasn't and that someone else built it all before even they were on the scene.Also, I don't think the sphere (which was actually simply called a "large black sphere of swirling mist" in the SoL manual, in the story which relates the poisoning of Tsaph Katta, and all that) was simply an object that drew them there, I think that was the power behind the Nexus itself, and likely the whole spire network, but I doubt we're likely to get confirmation one way or the other on that at this point.</blockquote>Maybe I'm the only one who's thinking this, but I think you folks are thinking that the black substance is the Nexus itself.We really do not know what it is or what it's called. We know that it's the reason why they were ported there, so thats why you call the substance itself "The Nexus". We don't know what this stuff is, so in a manner of speaking, the Nexus didn't exist until they created it after they ported there.</blockquote>I just always assumed luclinite was the same substance as the dark shimmering material in the Nexus.

Foolsfolly

07-21-2009, 02:14 PM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Erudites have established a manner of contact with Luclin in the past, without the use of the spires. Remember how we ended up with Vah`Shir?</blockquote>Well, that wasn't exactly teleportation, that was blasting their city off the face of Norrath and having it smash into Luclin big-fiery-comet style.</blockquote>The colorful descriptions of the event might have you believe such, but think about it. Could any kerrans have really survived a trip through the vacuum of space, and the subsequent smashing into a planet? And not just a few kerrans, enough to breed a whole new subspecies.I think we have to assume that "blast" and "smash" are actually just descriptive words that were really describing a slightly less steady form of traditional teleportation.

Homeskillet

07-21-2009, 02:30 PM

No, they seriously rode a chunk of Norrath to the moon and crashed into it. Granted, it was a magical explosion and that had to somehow shelter them, or Kerran shaman enacted something quickly to protect themselves. Either way it was not teleportation, it was not deliberate. They got caught in the use of a catastrophic weapon and Luclin is where they ended up.

Cusashorn

07-21-2009, 03:17 PM

Yeah, a Laser of some sort blasted/transported them to Luclin. We don't know which side did it, but it was entirely by accident.... unless it was a deliberate test made to look like an accident.

Coniaric

07-21-2009, 04:35 PM

It wasn't your typical war. It was a war entirely driven by magical forces. Sure, there are some shadowknights and paladins, but the Erudites are mostly magic users. How do anyone really know what kind reactions will occur when magic met magic in a such a devastating way?Unfortunately a tribe of Kerra got caught in the middle and seemingly destroyed. There was a hole where their village used to be. It might be the shamans that protected the tribe on its journey to the moon. Or a god ... or a certain goddess ... had a hand in perserving the chunk of rock through its trip toward its destination.And it truly smashed into Luclin. Shar Vahl was built at top of a plateau in middle of a vast crater.

PsiaMeese

07-21-2009, 05:21 PM

I have been fond of Nashii's tale of the Quellithulian ritual for several years. A few points that always elude the reader:Was the ritual that the ancestral Kerran's witnessed taking place before or after the events of The Rending? We don't know.Did the Kerran village of Kejek stay in the Stonebrunt Mountains for the duration of this story? Or did they actually pack up and retreat?Points of interest:The completion of the temple was delayed a few times. Due to sabotage by the ancestral Kerrans. How they sabotaged the progress is unknown.Odus (the continent) survived the event and was still there to be seen from nearby Kerra Isle.The ancestral Kerrans returned to Odus and confirmed that the Erudites survived their Quellithulian ritual.The ancestral Kerran didn't know if the physical change of the Erudites was purposeful or an accident. As no one was telling. The Kerran were likely the last people that Quellithulian community would share such a secret with.Regarding creation of a new Nexus. I have to wonder if the Quellithulians already succeeded? Could such a thing exist to support the current spire network? We do know that the only reason we can use them the way that we do is only because the Scions let us. I wonder if they have the scroll that would have taken us to Odus all this time? And are just keeping that under their robes?

Aera

07-21-2009, 05:57 PM

How exactly does the current network of spires work? I remember participating in the live event of building them, but I guess the lore behind the construction escapes me. Who are the scions?

teddyboy4

07-21-2009, 06:06 PM

<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Regarding creation of a new Nexus. I have to wonder if the Quellithulians already succeeded? Could such a thing exist to support the current spire network? We do know that the only reason we can use them the way that we do is only because the Scions let us. I wonder if they have the scroll that would have taken us to Odus all this time? And are just keeping that under their robes?</blockquote>I'm thinking that they did, in fact they must have succeeded in the creation of a new Nexus and that is what is powering the current Spire network. It's pretty interesting really. My theory is that the old Spires were inexorably tied to the power of the Nexus on Luclin, and once that was shut down those Spires could never be reactivated unless the Nexus on Luclin is. In the same way, the Ulteran Spire network must be inexorably tied to this new Nexus and wouldn't work without it.At the same time, I am thinking that yes, they probably do have the ability to grant us portal to Odus, and anywhere else they have built Spires. They just don't want us going there, so they have kept (mostly) mum on the subject, but there is proof that they have the ability to port to Odus... Although the proof doesn't show that the Spire network is connected to Odus, simply that the Quellthulians have the ability to teleport there. Remember the Quellthulian Erudite up in KoS who mentioned he was going to Odus, and then teleported himself and disapeared, presumably to OdusAs for the Kerran's that got caught in the explosion that created The Hole...I remember reading the story of the Kerran's getting caught in the Maps of Myrist and it specifically says that "due to their spiritual nature the Kerrans enjoyed some protection against the strong and violent magic. The Shaman were especially quick to raise their magical defenses for themselves and their warrior companions.".In regards to The Nexus, no, I do not think that the Sphere was The Nexus, but it certainly was the power behind it, and probably the power behind the entire Spire network. What I am saying is that the power of that Sphere and the cave that housed it on Luclin was a Nexus before the Combine arrived, built their marble structures and named it The Nexus. I believe the Sphere in that cave was the power source for the entire Spire network, and that the entire network was built around it by either the Shissar, or an older, extremely powerful race that is unknown to us.

Cusashorn

07-21-2009, 06:07 PM

The scions are just the overseers to the spires' operations. They really don't have any lore, but I remember we had to collect a ton of magical essences found on creatures all over Norrath to power them up. They didn't really go into any details about the How and What of the spires.

Foolsfolly

07-22-2009, 04:26 AM

I have an extremely hard time imagining that the accidental result of an experimental magical superweapon could actually cause a substatial chunk of land to escape Norrath's gravitational field, make the trip to a moon, and then land on it, all while protecting what was inside this magical bubble from the extreme gravitational and inertial forces varying greatly at each step along the way. Even harder to believe is that primitive kerran shaman's who could barely even speak would be able to calculate these variable and formulate magics to account for them within the extremely pressed timeframe allotted to them.It's far more likely that their superweapon was nothing more than a buffed-up variation of the teleportation magic they already had, designed to send everything within a large radius straight up away from Norrath as far as the magic would take it. But the oily-black-substance caught the teleportation beam like a magnet, and the chunk of land materialized at the closest spot that had enough open space to accomidate such a massive object; on the surface on Luclin. The crater could have been caused by the discharge of excess magical energies fed into the beam with no spires around to absorb that energy.

Cusashorn

07-22-2009, 04:32 AM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>Even harder to believe is that primitive kerran shaman's who could barely even speak would be able to calculate these variable and formulate magics to account for them within the extremely pressed timeframe allotted to them.</blockquote>I like how you state that Kerrans are so primitive that they're hardly considered sentient. You must really think that they were cavemen back then, don't you?

kyrr

07-22-2009, 09:44 AM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have an extremely hard time imagining that the accidental result of an experimental magical superweapon could actually cause a substatial chunk of land to escape Norrath's gravitational field, make the trip to a moon, and then land on it, all while protecting what was inside this magical bubble from the extreme gravitational and inertial forces varying greatly at each step along the way. Even harder to believe is that primitive kerran shaman's who could barely even speak would be able to calculate these variable and formulate magics to account for them within the extremely pressed timeframe allotted to them.It's far more likely that their superweapon was nothing more than a buffed-up variation of the teleportation magic they already had, designed to send everything within a large radius straight up away from Norrath as far as the magic would take it. But the oily-black-substance caught the teleportation beam like a magnet, and the chunk of land materialized at the closest spot that had enough open space to accomidate such a massive object; on the surface on Luclin. The crater could have been caused by the discharge of excess magical energies fed into the beam with no spires around to absorb that energy.</blockquote>1. It's canon. You just have to press the "I believe" button cuz it's true as far as Norrathian history goes.2. The Kerra of the time weren't knuckle draggers like you seem to believe.

ke'la

07-22-2009, 01:01 PM

<cite>kyrrah wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have an extremely hard time imagining that the accidental result of an experimental magical superweapon could actually cause a substatial chunk of land to escape Norrath's gravitational field, make the trip to a moon, and then land on it, all while protecting what was inside this magical bubble from the extreme gravitational and inertial forces varying greatly at each step along the way. Even harder to believe is that primitive kerran shaman's who could barely even speak would be able to calculate these variable and formulate magics to account for them within the extremely pressed timeframe allotted to them.It's far more likely that their superweapon was nothing more than a buffed-up variation of the teleportation magic they already had, designed to send everything within a large radius straight up away from Norrath as far as the magic would take it. But the oily-black-substance caught the teleportation beam like a magnet, and the chunk of land materialized at the closest spot that had enough open space to accomidate such a massive object; on the surface on Luclin. The crater could have been caused by the discharge of excess magical energies fed into the beam with no spires around to absorb that energy.</blockquote>1. It's canon. You just have to press the "I believe" button cuz it's true as far as Norrathian history goes.Besides isn't there I Giant Hole in the ground where the Vah'Shire Tribe used to be, and a large addtional chunk of ground on the moon where they landed? or is that something differant.2. The Kerra of the time weren't knuckle draggers like you seem to believe.Wheren't that tribe accually the most powerful and intelligant of all the Kerra on Norath prior to thier moon shot?</blockquote>

Homeskillet

07-22-2009, 01:52 PM

The Vah Shir were Vah Shir before they came to Luclin, they were the kerra nobility and followers of Vah Kerrath. They were the most advanced and proficient of their kind. Plus, as others have said; THAT IS HOW IT HAPPENED.Press the I believe button or don't, if you choose not to, then stop participating in a discussion where you are only offering disputes to what actually happened. This isn't arguing the veracity of the Bible, its the lore in a video game.PS the Apollo moon landing happened.

Foolsfolly

07-22-2009, 03:04 PM

Records of the event in question are extremely vague, since the Vah`Shir did not keep written records of anything, and the erudites who performed the experiment later blew themselves up.<a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=31&ss=erudites" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=bo...amp;ss=erudites</a>"Obviously unable to control themselves, the Heretics released powers greater than they could control, blasting the lands and creating The Hole."<a href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Vah_Shir" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Vah_Shir</a>"They were originally the descendants of the Kerrans, a race of cat people that a small tribe of were magically transported to the moon of Luclin. The exact circumstances of their teleportation are unknown to much of Norrath but it is believed to be due to a magical experiment conducted by the Erudites."<a href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Shar_Vahl" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Shar_Vahl</a>"During this war, they were caught in a blast of experimental magic that resulted in the creation of what is now known as The Hole. Due to their spiritual nature, the kerran nobility enjoyed some protection against the strong and violent magic. The shaman were especially quick to raise their magical defense for themselves and their warrior companions. Written works are not used by the Vah Shir. Their reasoning holds that the impure magic that begot the cataclysm was a direct result of the research done by the Erudites, who had twisted pure spiritual magic into something unnatural. Thus, the telling of lore is passed down from generation to generation in the form of stories and songs shared by the bards and shaman."I think these events are still very much open to interpretation due to the lack of any clear records. The quick actions of the shamans may have saved lives during the bumpy landing, but I still believe that the actual transportation had to have been done via teleportation, and not some ride through space on the back of a magical rock.PS the Apollo moon landing, if it happened, occured in a very carefully designed ship made from some of the hardest alloys known to man. If you actually blasted an ordinary rock with enough energy for it to escape Norrath's gravitational field, the force would shatter the rock like glass and the bloody remains of the Vah`Shir would have been scattered across all of Odus.

Kendayar

07-22-2009, 04:23 PM

Who said physics in Norrath had to be exactly that of Earth or the universe/reality we live in?

ke'la

07-22-2009, 05:42 PM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote:</cite><blockquote>Records of the event in question are extremely vague, since the Vah`Shir did not keep written records of anything, and the erudites who performed the experiment later blew themselves up.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=31&ss=erudites" target="_blank">http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=bo...amp;ss=erudites</a>"Obviously unable to control themselves, the Heretics released powers greater than they could control, blasting the lands and creating The Hole."<a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Vah_Shir" target="_blank">http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Vah_Shir</a>"They were originally the descendants of the Kerrans, a race of cat people that a small tribe of were magically transported to the moon of Luclin. The exact circumstances of their teleportation are unknown to much of Norrath but it is believed to be due to a magical experiment conducted by the Erudites."<a rel="nofollow" href="http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Shar_Vahl" target="_blank">http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Shar_Vahl</a>"During this war, they were caught in a blast of experimental magic that resulted in the creation of what is now known as The Hole. Due to their spiritual nature, the kerran nobility enjoyed some protection against the strong and violent magic. The shaman were especially quick to raise their magical defense for themselves and their warrior companions. Written works are not used by the Vah Shir. Their reasoning holds that the impure magic that begot the cataclysm was a direct result of the research done by the Erudites, who had twisted pure spiritual magic into something unnatural. Thus, the telling of lore is passed down from generation to generation in the form of stories and songs shared by the bards and shaman."I think these events are still very much open to interpretation due to the lack of any clear records. The quick actions of the shamans may have saved lives during the bumpy landing, but I still believe that the actual transportation had to have been done via teleportation, and not some ride through space on the back of a magical rock.PS the Apollo moon landing, if it happened, occured in a very carefully designed ship made from some of the hardest alloys known to man. If you actually blasted an ordinary rock with enough energy for it to escape Norrath's gravitational field, the force would shatter the rock like glass and the bloody remains of the Vah`Shir would have been scattered across all of Odus.</blockquote>Um....last I checked Tin Foil wasn't all that Hard... Also Hardness = Brittalness, Brittelness is not a good thing to have on top of a very large Rocket.Also Verbal lore can be just as accurate or inaccurate as written lore depending on the attention to detail is required by the learner of the lore. If belief of the evilness of written lore is as strong as you say, then they would pay extra special attention to thier virbal lore.As for the facts you yourself posted, A magical Explosion created the Hole, the Vah Shir where cought in the blast that created the hole. We already know that Shamans can let us Breath survive underwater at deapths that would cause us to be turned into Jelly...so why couldn't the reverse also be true? That very well could be what the Shamman's did to keep them alive though the journey though space.

Lodrelhai

07-22-2009, 06:04 PM

Just some quick answers, based on the Kerra tale:<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Was the ritual that the ancestral Kerran's witnessed taking place before or after the events of The Rending? We don't know.</blockquote>Actually, we do know:<blockquote>Nashii says to you, "It is said that all Erudites on Odus set aside their differences some time before the great wars and the Shattering. The combined forces of the Heretics and disciples of Erud ventured to the Stonebrunt Mountains and built their fortress of tranquility and fear."</blockquote>The "great wars" refers to either the two fronts of the 2nd Rallosian War or that war and the War of the Fae. If before the War of the Fae as well, then the new Nexus apparently worked, since the Nerian army used teleportation to bring troops against Kelethin, per eyewitness account of a wood elf in Willow Woods.<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did the Kerran village of Kejek stay in the Stonebrunt Mountains for the duration of this story? Or did they actually pack up and retreat?</blockquote>Nashii tells us that.<blockquote>Nashii says to you, "The Erudites had constructed a base of concentrated arcane power that was obviously the foundation and core of their plans. Fearing another catastrophic event engineered at the hands of careless Erudite meddling, the ancestors took sanctuary on Kerra Isle, abandoning their homeland to the inevitable fate of the continent. "</blockquote> That's when they packed up and left. After they saw what was going on, before the spell went off.<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>The ancestral Kerrans returned to Odus and confirmed that the Erudites survived their Quellithulian ritual.</blockquote>Actually, they didn't go back.<blockquote>Nashii says to you, "None dared to tread upon the land, believing it was now cursed or fouled by the Erudites' magic. As the first of the silent days passed, many came to accept that the Erudites had destroyed themselves and all living creatures upon the continent. A lunar cycle would pass before our ancestors learned otherwise."You say to Nashii, "What did the ancestors learn? What did they see?"Nashii says to you, "They saw the Erudites much as we see them now. Their altered forms frightened many, warding the ancestors from the continent for many generations to come. What magics occurred beneath the mist are a mystery. The Erudites will not share this tale openly with most, for we think that they too are without answers to their mysterious transformation."</blockquote> The Erudites came out after about a month (one lunar cycle). It was generations before any Kerra would go back to the continent.I do think it likely the construction of the new nexus did work, but that then raises the questions: What stopped it from working? If Odus was still around for Kerra generations, when and why did it disappear? Does the function of the Ulterian spires now mean they created yet another nexus, or fixed whatever happened to the one they built in Stonebrunt?

PsiaMeese

07-22-2009, 06:35 PM

So you are suggesting that this tale refers to the broad period between the War of the Fay and the 2nd Rallosian War? And considerably before The Rending? Might work.<blockquote>Nashii says to you, "None dared to tread upon the land, believing it was now cursed or fouled by the Erudites' magic. As the first of the silent days passed, many came to accept that the Erudites had destroyed themselves and all living creatures upon the continent. A lunar cycle would pass before our ancestors learned otherwise."You say to Nashii, "What did the ancestors learn? What did they see?"Nashii says to you, "They saw the Erudites much as we see them now. Their altered forms frightened many, warding the ancestors from the continent for many generations to come. What magics occurred beneath the mist are a mystery. The Erudites will not share this tale openly with most, for we think that they too are without answers to their mysterious transformation."</blockquote> Alright. We actually don't know if the Kerran went back to Odus for the Erudites great reveal. Nor does it tell us that the Erudites went to Kerra Isle to reveal themselves either. Maybe they spied each other from the coastline or a boat? *shrugs*I have read insinuations and suggestions (elsewhere in this forum) that Odus (an entire continent) has left Norrath. And may or may not have returned. It seems to me that if it did leave Norrath it would have been well after the tale that Nashii relates.I learned at Fan Faire the the Kerra (of today) have a significant role regarding current events on Odus. It will be extremely interesting to see who represents the Kerra when we get back there? And under what circumstance? It is going be a long wait until February...

Cusashorn

07-22-2009, 07:45 PM

<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I learned at Fan Faire the the Kerra (of today) have a significant role regarding current events on Odus. It will be extremely interesting to see who represents the Kerra when we get back there? And under what circumstance? It is going be a long wait until February...</blockquote>Just speculating here, but I would imagine the current leader of the Kerra tribe is a descendant or disciple of Priestess Opalla. I hope the Kejekan are doing well themselves too.

teddyboy4

07-22-2009, 07:45 PM

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just some quick answers, based on the Kerra tale:<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Was the ritual that the ancestral Kerran's witnessed taking place before or after the events of The Rending? We don't know.</blockquote>Actually, we do know:<blockquote>Nashii says to you, "It is said that all Erudites on Odus set aside their differences some time before the great wars and the Shattering. The combined forces of the Heretics and disciples of Erud ventured to the Stonebrunt Mountains and built their fortress of tranquility and fear."</blockquote>The "great wars" refers to either the two fronts of the 2nd Rallosian War or that war and the War of the Fae. If before the War of the Fae as well, then the new Nexus apparently worked, since the Nerian army used teleportation to bring troops against Kelethin, per eyewitness account of a wood elf in Willow Woods.....I do think it likely the construction of the new nexus did work, but that then raises the questions: What stopped it from working? If Odus was still around for Kerra generations, when and why did it disappear? Does the function of the Ulterian spires now mean they created yet another nexus, or fixed whatever happened to the one they built in Stonebrunt?</blockquote>Only one problem with your supposition...the Nerian army used their Sea Gate, which they constructed themselves in Neriak and seemed totally independant of the Spire network, and/or The Nexus for power. Also, I am thinking that the War of the Fay and the 2nd Rallosian War took place almost simultaneously b/c we have proof that the War of the Fay went down before the gods withdrew, and we also know that it wasn't until the sometime after the conclusion of the 2nd Rallosian War that the gods fully withdrew their influence.How do we know these things? In the in-game book, "History of the Fae" it states:"........Much of Greater Faydark and Kelethin were burned, yet the First Children did nothing. Instead, they closed themselves away once the War had ended. And so began the Ring of Sadness.This page is missingThis page is missingAs the gods seemed to withdraw from us, the Fae's magical influences seemed to wane as well".........."We thought that troubles times lay behind us now, yet the Ring of Trials had only begun. All around us the lands began to change, groaning and breaking apart."............."The Second Ring of Chaos began with what Outsiders call the Shattering. Shards of Luclin rained down around Faydwer, but fortunately, most of Greater Faydark escaped unscathed"So, from this we can deduce that the War of the Fay was before the gods withdrawl, as well as before the Rending and The Shattering. I only quoted parts of the story that were relevant to the discussion here. So, as all of this would have happened before the gods withdrew, and the Nexus was shut down shortly before they withdrew, I highly doubt the Erudites had the time to stop their bickering, start working together, have all this debate, THEN start building their temple, and get it activated all before the gods withdrew at the end of the Wars.I mean, it's possible I guess, but I highly doubt that the events in the Kerrans story all went down before Wars ended. I think the most likely setting for all of that was was sometime after the withdrawl of the gods and the end of the Wars, the Erudites, stranded on Odus, put aside their differences and decided to try to build a new Nexus.

PsiaMeese

07-22-2009, 08:10 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I learned at Fan Faire the the Kerra (of today) have a significant role regarding current events on Odus. It will be extremely interesting to see who represents the Kerra when we get back there? And under what circumstance? It is going be a long wait until February...</blockquote>Just speculating here, but I would imagine the current leader of the Kerra tribe is a descendant or disciple of Priestess Opalla. I hope the Kejekan are doing well themselves too.</blockquote> Opolla was a Gnoll shaman wasn't she? You must mean Ayssla? Or was there someone else in the Kejekan Village before her? Not that this question has anything to do with Erudites building a new nexus. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" />

Cusashorn

07-22-2009, 09:35 PM

<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I learned at Fan Faire the the Kerra (of today) have a significant role regarding current events on Odus. It will be extremely interesting to see who represents the Kerra when we get back there? And under what circumstance? It is going be a long wait until February...</blockquote>Just speculating here, but I would imagine the current leader of the Kerra tribe is a descendant or disciple of Priestess Opalla. I hope the Kejekan are doing well themselves too.</blockquote> Opolla was a Gnoll shaman wasn't she? You must mean Ayssla? Or was there someone else in the Kejekan Village before her? Not that this question has anything to do with Erudites building a new nexus. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Ahh, you're right. I was thinking of High Priestess Mitty, who was part of the Paw of Opolla quest.

Cusashorn

07-22-2009, 09:46 PM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just some quick answers, based on the Kerra tale:<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Was the ritual that the ancestral Kerran's witnessed taking place before or after the events of The Rending? We don't know.</blockquote>Actually, we do know:<blockquote>Nashii says to you, "It is said that all Erudites on Odus set aside their differences some time before the great wars and the Shattering. The combined forces of the Heretics and disciples of Erud ventured to the Stonebrunt Mountains and built their fortress of tranquility and fear."</blockquote>The "great wars" refers to either the two fronts of the 2nd Rallosian War or that war and the War of the Fae. If before the War of the Fae as well, then the new Nexus apparently worked, since the Nerian army used teleportation to bring troops against Kelethin, per eyewitness account of a wood elf in Willow Woods.....I do think it likely the construction of the new nexus did work, but that then raises the questions: What stopped it from working? If Odus was still around for Kerra generations, when and why did it disappear? Does the function of the Ulterian spires now mean they created yet another nexus, or fixed whatever happened to the one they built in Stonebrunt?</blockquote>Only one problem with your supposition...the Nerian army used their Sea Gate, which they constructed themselves in Neriak and seemed totally independant of the Spire network, and/or The Nexus for power. Also, I am thinking that the War of the Fay and the 2nd Rallosian War took place almost simultaneously b/c we have proof that the War of the Fay went down before the gods withdrew, and we also know that it wasn't until the sometime after the conclusion of the 2nd Rallosian War that the gods fully withdrew their influence.How do we know these things? In the in-game book, "History of the Fae" it states:"........Much of Greater Faydark and Kelethin were burned, yet the First Children did nothing. Instead, they closed themselves away once the War had ended. And so began the Ring of Sadness.This page is missingThis page is missingAs the gods seemed to withdraw from us, the Fae's magical influences seemed to wane as well".........."We thought that troubles times lay behind us now, yet the Ring of Trials had only begun. All around us the lands began to change, groaning and breaking apart."............."The Second Ring of Chaos began with what Outsiders call the Shattering. Shards of Luclin rained down around Faydwer, but fortunately, most of Greater Faydark escaped unscathed"So, from this we can deduce that the War of the Fay was before the gods withdrawl, as well as before the Rending and The Shattering. I only quoted parts of the story that were relevant to the discussion here. So, as all of this would have happened before the gods withdrew, and the Nexus was shut down shortly before they withdrew, I highly doubt the Erudites had the time to stop their bickering, start working together, have all this debate, THEN start building their temple, and get it activated all before the gods withdrew at the end of the Wars.I mean, it's possible I guess, but I highly doubt that the events in the Kerrans story all went down before Wars ended. I think the most likely setting for all of that was was sometime after the withdrawl of the gods and the end of the Wars, the Erudites, stranded on Odus, put aside their differences and decided to try to build a new Nexus.</blockquote>If you read the Tome of Destiny, everything happens in a chronological order. The gods withdrew right at the start of 500 year period, transportation was then cut off afterwards somewhere during the first 50 years. The two wars came next, though due to technicality that the lore for Faydwer and Neriak had not been planned out yet when EQ2 started, there really is no way for us to tell when the War of the Fae happened during this timeline. The story suggests it happened before the 2nd Rallosian WarThe Rending came next, and lasted about 300 years (stated from a book quest in Rivervale,) and then finally the Shattering occured 50 years ago, and the debris stopped falling 15 years ago (source from the devs here on the boards.)

ke'la

07-23-2009, 01:23 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just some quick answers, based on the Kerra tale:<cite>Psia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Was the ritual that the ancestral Kerran's witnessed taking place before or after the events of The Rending? We don't know.</blockquote>Actually, we do know:<blockquote>Nashii says to you, "It is said that all Erudites on Odus set aside their differences some time before the great wars and the Shattering. The combined forces of the Heretics and disciples of Erud ventured to the Stonebrunt Mountains and built their fortress of tranquility and fear."</blockquote>The "great wars" refers to either the two fronts of the 2nd Rallosian War or that war and the War of the Fae. If before the War of the Fae as well, then the new Nexus apparently worked, since the Nerian army used teleportation to bring troops against Kelethin, per eyewitness account of a wood elf in Willow Woods.....I do think it likely the construction of the new nexus did work, but that then raises the questions: What stopped it from working? If Odus was still around for Kerra generations, when and why did it disappear? Does the function of the Ulterian spires now mean they created yet another nexus, or fixed whatever happened to the one they built in Stonebrunt?</blockquote>Only one problem with your supposition...the Nerian army used their Sea Gate, which they constructed themselves in Neriak and seemed totally independant of the Spire network, and/or The Nexus for power. Also, I am thinking that the War of the Fay and the 2nd Rallosian War took place almost simultaneously b/c we have proof that the War of the Fay went down before the gods withdrew, and we also know that it wasn't until the sometime after the conclusion of the 2nd Rallosian War that the gods fully withdrew their influence.How do we know these things? In the in-game book, "History of the Fae" it states:"........Much of Greater Faydark and Kelethin were burned, yet the First Children did nothing. Instead, they closed themselves away once the War had ended. And so began the Ring of Sadness.This page is missingThis page is missingAs the gods seemed to withdraw from us, the Fae's magical influences seemed to wane as well".........."We thought that troubles times lay behind us now, yet the Ring of Trials had only begun. All around us the lands began to change, groaning and breaking apart."............."The Second Ring of Chaos began with what Outsiders call the Shattering. Shards of Luclin rained down around Faydwer, but fortunately, most of Greater Faydark escaped unscathed"So, from this we can deduce that the War of the Fay was before the gods withdrawl, as well as before the Rending and The Shattering. I only quoted parts of the story that were relevant to the discussion here. So, as all of this would have happened before the gods withdrew, and the Nexus was shut down shortly before they withdrew, I highly doubt the Erudites had the time to stop their bickering, start working together, have all this debate, THEN start building their temple, and get it activated all before the gods withdrew at the end of the Wars.I mean, it's possible I guess, but I highly doubt that the events in the Kerrans story all went down before Wars ended. I think the most likely setting for all of that was was sometime after the withdrawl of the gods and the end of the Wars, the Erudites, stranded on Odus, put aside their differences and decided to try to build a new Nexus.</blockquote>If you read the Tome of Destiny, everything happens in a chronological order. The gods withdrew right at the start of 500 year period, transportation was then cut off afterwards somewhere during the first 50 years. The two wars came next, though due to technicality that the lore for Faydwer and Neriak had not been planned out yet when EQ2 started, there really is no way for us to tell when the War of the Fae happened during this timeline. The story suggests it happened before the 2nd Rallosian WarThe Rending came next, and lasted about 300 years (stated from a book quest in Rivervale,) and then finally the Shattering occured 50 years ago, and the debris stopped falling 15 years ago (source from the devs here on the boards.)</blockquote>Is it possable that the War of the Fae took place just prior to the start of the Tome of Destiny, because baised on what is in The History of the Fae, it almost looks like it does. That would make "The Great Wars" accually the 2 differant Fronts of the Second Rallosian.

Cusashorn

07-23-2009, 03:59 PM

<cite>kela wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is it possable that the War of the Fae took place just prior to the start of the Tome of Destiny, because baised on what is in The History of the Fae, it almost looks like it does. That would make "The Great Wars" accually the 2 differant Fronts of the Second Rallosian.</blockquote>Not given the fact that King Naythox Thex and King Tearis Thex were both assassinated during the war. This would have had to take place as a Pre-PoP event for the war to have happened before the Tome of Destiny, and both kings are still alive and ruling Felwithe and Neriak in EQlive... even though they're only seen as GM characters.

teddyboy4

07-23-2009, 04:22 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you read the Tome of Destiny, everything happens in a chronological order. The gods withdrew right at the start of 500 year period, transportation was then cut off afterwards somewhere during the first 50 years. The two wars came next, though due to technicality that the lore for Faydwer and Neriak had not been planned out yet when EQ2 started, there really is no way for us to tell when the War of the Fae happened during this timeline. The story suggests it happened before the 2nd Rallosian WarThe Rending came next, and lasted about 300 years (stated from a book quest in Rivervale,) and then finally the Shattering occured 50 years ago, and the debris stopped falling 15 years ago (source from the devs here on the boards.)</blockquote>Right, the chronology at the end of your post pretty much goes right along with that detailed in the History of the Fae.I do disagree on one thing though. I don't believe the gods fully withdrew before, or at the same time as the Nexus was shut down. In fact, the Tome of Destiny, and the History of the Fae pretty much confirm that they didn't fully withdraw then, but later, after the Wars. You see, the gods influence could not have been withdrawn while their Avatars were running around taking part in the 2nd Rallosian War. In fact, during the 2nd Rallosian Wars I would say that the gods influence was at it's peak. No, the gods did not fully withdraw until at least the end of the 2nd Rallosian War and/or the War of the Fay (not War of the Fae btw), they may have withdrew some, or even most of their influence, but they couldn't have been totally withdrawn or their Avatars would have been powerless.I also don't think the History of the Fae is suggesting that the War of the Fay happened before the 2nd Rallosian War, during or slightly after maybe, but not before. Although, there are some lines in other stories that make me think that the War of the Fay might have started before the 2nd Rallosian War, specifically this line from the Teir'dal book War of the Fay: Armies Across the Sea...."The ogres are perfect for this task, for it involves only dipping the oar in, pulling, lifting, then dipping the oars again. This is as much as their simple minds can grasp."Now, that particular line seems to indicate that the Ogre's had not regained their natural intelligence, which did not happen until after the Nexus was shut-down, and the gods had named their Avatars and withdrew at least a bit, which we know the 2nd Rallosian War didn't start until after the Ogre's had regained their intelligence. So maybe the War of the Fay was indeed started before the 2nd Rallosian War, but I personally think that the two Wars were running concurrently for at least a bit.

Cusashorn

07-23-2009, 06:19 PM

(My appologies, this is a bit of a long post, but I believe I have some valid points, and I will get back on topic to the Erudites at the end.)Avatars are physical beings on Norrath. They just represent the god, but do not necissarily feed upon them for power. The avatars who walked Norrath while the gods were gone were given all their powers when the gods appointed them. Then they left.Anyways. valid points about the Ogres being described as the stupid oafs they used to be, but also keep in mind that before Tunare withdrew from Norrath, she left her Bloom of Growth in Wuoshi's care, AND foreshadowed that her lesser races of the forest, I.E. the Faeries, would prove themselves to be truely worthy of her praise. The Fae did this by introducing themselves to Norrath when they came to save Kelethin along with the Brownies.So with these points in mind, I gather that the War of the Fae took place between year 50 to 100 of the last 500 years.-After the Gods made their final preparations and withdrew from Norrath. (Chapter 1 and 2 of the Tome of Destiny)-After the spires were shut down. (Chapter 3 of the Tome of Destiny)-Before the Ogres awakened (Chapter 4 of the Tome of Destiny)-Before the 2nd Rallosian War (Chapters 5 through 9)-Before the Rending, which made the waters impassable. With the reference of "Two great wars", it was still possible for the rest of Norrath outside of Faydwer to learn about the War of the Fay before this happened. (Chapter 10)The Rebuilding of Kelethin was the main reason why the Fae and Wood Elves themselves could not help during the 2nd Rallosian War, but this also could explain why no other races assisted with that war either.The Dwarves were already fighting to recover Kaladim for themselves at this point. Both the aftermath destruction from the war, and the Serillian Horde. It's possible that after the 2nd Rallosian War, the Dwarves decided they could spare some manpower to help with Qeynos.The gnomes might have been able to assist. They had to abandon Ak'Anon during the Rending, and the clockworks took over during those 300 years. This is the only point that I can think of where the gnomes could assist with the rebuilding of Qeynos and Freeport after the war. Why they didn't assist during the war is still a mystery that I doubt can be explained.Felwithe was completely out of the question with the direction their council decided to take their race towards after their king was assassinated. This brings me to question why the High Elves live in Qeynos now, as it's established that the various races came to Qeynos and Freeport to help rebuild, and they eventually ended up settling there. If the Felwithe Council ordered their race to seclude themselves from the world and start inbreeding, then obviously there must have been a large number of High Elves who didn't care much for this idea and possibly left, but I'm not gonna go into that now.Any of these races could have sent forces to assist with Freeport at the very least, since the Ocean of Tears was still traversable.The Halflings took advantage of Neriak's defenses during the War of the Fae, so the Dark Elves had secluded themselves off from Norrath at this point when Christanos took over. The Halflings themselves are generally peaceful, and may have decided not to participate in the war. The Leatherfoot Brigade took losses on their side too, so we don't know how many of them mad e it back to Rivervale. It's also possible that they were already fighting the war, as they had been fighting the Goblins for centuries, and the Goblins were one of Rallos' creations summoned to fight in the war alongside the ogres, giants, and orcs.Freeport already had a well established settlement of Ogres, as well as Iksar slaves (who earned their freedom during the War, but were unable to travel back to Kunark when the Rending struck.)The Ratonga didn't show up until after the Rending.The Dark Elves who helped to rebuilt Freeport and moved into the city were either already there to begin with, could have been non-Nerians who never followed Naythox or Christanos' rule, or ex-members of the Thexians who felt they could benefit better by helping out Freeport.This just leaves the Trolls. It's confirmed they were kicked out of Grobb, as mention in the Tome. Other than random wandering adventurers (which can easily apply as the largest plausible explanation for all races, especially the Frogloks and Kerrans), we really don't know how they found their way to Freeport. Neriak was most likely sealed off by now.The Barbarians helped to defend Qeynos. Those that escaped from Halas and made it through Blackburrow anyway, even though they were mostly too young, too old, or too sick to fight.So what about the Erudites? This brings us back to this thread's discussion about their attempts to build a new teleportation nexus.First off: we know that Erudites as a race in whole would never send forces to help fight another race's battles unless they had a [Removed for Content] good reason to do so. They've always been extremely arrogant and think of all other races as beneath them.2nd: we know the Erudites were still split as a race between Erudin and Paineel, but we know they have been trying to overcome that problem and finally get along together.It's possible that maybe they knew about the Rallosian Army, and decided they could help more if they worked on getting transportation across the world set up again.... Or they just decided to work on the nexus and not care about anyone else. I'm going with the latter of those two.It seems pretty obvious, but this experimentation with the new nexus is the most likely cause to what accidentally changed their physical appearances.Rumors of Odus completely being "removed" from Norrath still linger, and we don't know anything new about this yet. If Odus did disappear, then I'm guessing it wasn't until after the 2nd Rallosian War, where the Quellithulian leaders decided they could go assist Qeynos and Freeport with the rebuilding. Again, why they would choose to do so is anyone's guess, unless they actually overcame their arrogance when they put their own civil/cold war issues aside.The Spires shut down relatively early, probably within the first 10 years. Felwithe at this point still had their king, and the willingness to help others. The planning for a new one probably happened for shortly afterwards. I'm guessing around year 20-30.Chapter 3 revealed that the Erudites always gather together to celebrate the anniversary of Erud's birth. This may serve as a factor towards the uniting of both factions, the building of the Temple of Quellithule, and even the construction of the new Nexus itself.That's all I have to say for now on the matter. I'm feeling the familiar pressure in my forehead that I always feel when I read and think out too long.

Hecula

08-04-2009, 12:49 AM

Here's my speculation. I'm not as deep into the lore as others here, but this is my attempt to try and put some things together.There have always been void creatures in EQ2 - since the very beginning. The Obelisk of Lost Souls in the original game, the Obelisk of Blight in EoF. My guess is that prior to the shattering, the first nexus was disabled and the travel networks the Erudites created were also rendered inoperable.Shortly after this happened, the disciples of Erud and the Heretics of Paineel came together to work on building a new nexus in order to reactivate the travel network they had built. Both sides ended their long feud and constructed a fortress of tranquility and fear in the Stonebrunt Mountains. They then began to hoard massive amounts of arcane energy beneath the fortress and started to do joint research on how to create the new nexus.My guess is, at some point, Zal'Urid discovered the true nature of the first nexus. What I think he discovered is that what was being harnessed was void energy. Void anchors seemingly can appear at will and link locations in Norrath with locations in the void. I think Zal'Urid learned this and figured out that continuing to meddle with void energy could be disastrous. I think he took his findings to the Council of Paineel and was rebuffed. Then he approached the Council of Erud and was likely again rebuffed.Against the advice of Zal'Urid, the new nexus was opened. I think it tore a rift between Odus and the Void resulting in thousands of Void Annihilators rushing into our world through the breach. The Kerra observer mentioned that the sound was "that of a thousand great whales singing". Void Annihilators make a sound similar to a whale.The Void Annihilators killed much of the population of Odus including the great fortress of tranquility and fear where the new nexus remains on. The Erudites that survived the opening of the rift were twisted by void energy, similar to how creatures become void-touched surrounding a void anchor. Erudites could be the very first void-touched creatures in Norrath. The surviving Erudites fled Odus for Norrath and became refugees along with the Kerra.My guess is that at this point, either Theer or some other being or group of beings first took notice of the lands of Norrath. Could have even been Anashti. This was likely just prior to the beginning of our timeline. Once the void became aware of our lands, they began scouting it out with the eventual intention of bringing everything in our world into non-existence. The Obelisk of Blight seems to indicate that it's a scouting point for void beings to explore our world.With TSO, the void invasion has begun - the void creatures are done scouting and they're now actively working against us. I don't know if Anashti is pulling the strings (those runes in her chamber might not be a calendar - they might be a map, invasion plan or even a list of known enemies and factions) or if it's ultimately Theer. But perhaps the storyline leading into the next expansion is to defeat Theer and close the rift into the void, thereby stopping the void invasion.Again, just speculation, but that's what I've put together.

Zabjade

08-04-2009, 01:16 AM

We might find out more tomorrow(?) I think they are getting ready to put in the next lore quest.

Cusashorn

08-04-2009, 01:20 AM

It'd be nice if they did, though I haven't heard of any new developments on test or anything. I mean, yeah, it's a lore quest, but they announced when they would put this one in, but haven't announced when the next one will be, have they?

Zabjade

08-04-2009, 01:24 AM

I believe it went to test and live at the same time last time.

Troubor

08-04-2009, 05:26 AM

<cite>Foolsfolly wrote, and I reply in red:</cite><blockquote>Speculation Thread.Ok, so we now know about Erudin planning to construct a new Nexus.Could it be that they have found a way to return to Luclin, and are planning to rebuild from the ruins of the old Nexus?Well, I do understand that a magical world doesn't always adhere to the laws of physics. But considering how Luclin was split apart, I can't hardly see how it has any atmosphere now.Or maybe they're planning to build a Nexus on New-Luclin, that other moon we see in Norrath's sky, where the inhabitants of old-Luclin were rapidly transported to after the explosion?Drinal lacks an atmosphere also. This (I think) has been stated by at least one developer. That and the fact that it looks pretty much like our own IRL moon is an indicator that it has little or no atmosphere. It's all gray dust and rock on the surface.Or are they simply planning to build a whole new Nexus here on Norrath, possibly to facilitate inter-continental travel so that we can travel to Odus and other lost continents?This I'd find a bit more likely if anything. They plan to use it to teleport from Odus to somewhere else on Norrath's surface. Pretty much just a spire to let them on Odus teleport to the other Pre Sentinal's Fate "Discovered lands". Or perhaps the whole Nexus plan is merely a ruse, intended to get paineel's guard down so that Erudin can build a new super-weapon and destroy the heathens...again. No idea, haven't given a thought to this possibilityHas anyone found anything to indicate when this book was written? Perhaps it is referring to the construction of the original Nexus?I haven't personally no. I'd have to re-read it to see if there are any clues, but I don't remember any.Ideas? Opinions? Thoughts?</blockquote> As an aside, my post is based on really just reading the OP's post for the most part, so my reply does reflect that.

Lodrelhai

08-04-2009, 06:19 AM

<cite>Hecula wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's my speculation. I'm not as deep into the lore as others here, but this is my attempt to try and put some things together.There have always been void creatures in EQ2 - since the very beginning. The Obelisk of Lost Souls in the original game, the Obelisk of Blight in EoF. My guess is that prior to the shattering, the first nexus was disabled and the travel networks the Erudites created were also rendered inoperable.Shortly after this happened, the disciples of Erud and the Heretics of Paineel came together to work on building a new nexus in order to reactivate the travel network they had built. Both sides ended their long feud and constructed a fortress of tranquility and fear in the Stonebrunt Mountains. They then began to hoard massive amounts of arcane energy beneath the fortress and started to do joint research on how to create the new nexus.My guess is, at some point, Zal'Urid discovered the true nature of the first nexus. What I think he discovered is that what was being harnessed was void energy. Void anchors seemingly can appear at will and link locations in Norrath with locations in the void. I think Zal'Urid learned this and figured out that continuing to meddle with void energy could be disastrous. I think he took his findings to the Council of Paineel and was rebuffed. Then he approached the Council of Erud and was likely again rebuffed.Against the advice of Zal'Urid, the new nexus was opened. I think it tore a rift between Odus and the Void resulting in thousands of Void Annihilators rushing into our world through the breach. The Kerra observer mentioned that the sound was "that of a thousand great whales singing". Void Annihilators make a sound similar to a whale.The Void Annihilators killed much of the population of Odus including the great fortress of tranquility and fear where the new nexus remains on. The Erudites that survived the opening of the rift were twisted by void energy, similar to how creatures become void-touched surrounding a void anchor. Erudites could be the very first void-touched creatures in Norrath. The surviving Erudites fled Odus for Norrath and became refugees along with the Kerra.My guess is that at this point, either Theer or some other being or group of beings first took notice of the lands of Norrath. Could have even been Anashti. This was likely just prior to the beginning of our timeline. Once the void became aware of our lands, they began scouting it out with the eventual intention of bringing everything in our world into non-existence. The Obelisk of Blight seems to indicate that it's a scouting point for void beings to explore our world.With TSO, the void invasion has begun - the void creatures are done scouting and they're now actively working against us. I don't know if Anashti is pulling the strings (those runes in her chamber might not be a calendar - they might be a map, invasion plan or even a list of known enemies and factions) or if it's ultimately Theer. But perhaps the storyline leading into the next expansion is to defeat Theer and close the rift into the void, thereby stopping the void invasion.Again, just speculation, but that's what I've put together.</blockquote>Interesting theory that they might have been utilizing Void energy. The Quellithulians do have all that Void shard armor...Minor corrections/confirmations: The spires shutting down was well before the Shattering - Tome of Destiny places the invasion of the Nexus very very early in the 500 yr gap between EQ and EQ2, while the Shattering was less than a century ago.I'm not sure the Erudites fled Odus at all - the way the Kerra in Freeport describes it, it sounds like they just came off the island calmly, not desperate like refugees. Could be wrong on that, though. However, there's also an Erudite in Barren Sky who requests adventurers' help in regaining notes for a teleportaion spell - which, when he gets it, he says will take him to Odus. I know there's talk that Odus is going to be a dungeon rather than a city zone, but it's entirely possible it's a hostile area because we've ticked off the Quellithulians by digging a bit too much into their secrets.Theer, Anashti, and the Void didn't need to have Norrath brought to their attention - they've known we were here all along. There are shadowmen in EQ. The Ethernaut stories stickied near the top of this forum are about a Void invasion about 1000 years ago. Anashti Sul used to be the Prime Healer before she brought undeath to Norrath. And Theer was sent by the Nameless to make the gods of Norrath play nice (which didn't go too well). That being the case, TSO is not the begining of the Void invasion. It's the continuation of it. I don't think we know how long those Void anchors have been in the Moors before we found our way there again. And from the lore story released with the Lavastorm revamp, it sounds like the anchor outside the Shrine of Thunder isn't new either - we just didn't know it was there until Najena exposed it.