Anashti Sul

[Akien]

<p>Ok. I think I missed something a while back. Good bet i wasn't paying attention.</p><p>Anashti Sul. I know she is released now. Shes not the prime healer any more. What is her goal in life? To destory all the other gods? Dethrone Rodcet? Fix her mistake?</p><p>I'm just a little lost I haven't really look in game for an answer to my questions. Can any one give me a little back story on her and what her current purpose is in the scheme of things?</p>

[Hikinami]

<p>She wants the Plane of Health back, yeah. And is generally just a very cranky lady</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>Much is revealed about her backstory doing her deity quests. But the jist of it is:</p><p>*She introduced undeath to Norrath many thousands of years ago. *The other gods banished her to the Void.*She (either on her own, or with the help of others, it's not clear yet what) uses her army of void creatures to try and destroy Norrath.*The Ethernauts stop her thousands of years ago.*Flash forward to today, she tries again.*With your help, the Ethernauts stop her, but the Ethernauts die presumably.*Then afterwards, she is defeated in the Palace of the Ancient One (by us, the players), breaking her inprisonment in the Void.*Her prophet re-emerges from hiding, and you (thru the deity line) return her to Norrath as a worshippable goddess.</p><p>Her current goal is to reclaim the Plane of Health, which she believes is rightfully hers, from Rodcet Nife the current Prime Healer. She still possesses the powers of Undeath, and uses them to her advantage.</p><p>She also has an interest in Bertoxxulous and his plans, but I do not believe she considers him an enemy...yet.</p>

[Lodrelhai]

<p>Dethrone Rodcet and take back the Plane of Health.</p><p>She's apparently decided undeath is a good thing, after all...</p>

[Akien]

<p> !mucho gracias!</p><p>Now i have a better understanding of her <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Thank you!</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p><cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>She's apparently decided undeath is a good thing, after all...</p></blockquote><p>She considered it a "gift". And after all that time in the void, she convinced herself it was really a good thing.</p>

[Illine]

<p>why do gods never question themself about what they have done??</p><p>I mean I can understand they don't care of what mortal says, coz mortals don't have the knowledge to understand actions. they only see a tiny bit of history while gods might work on something greater for millenias.</p><p>But when all the gods lock you ... they should ask themself why that ^^.</p><p>no, they are so sure of themself that they won't try to get better and understand what had gone wrong ... such a shame <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>why do gods never question themself about what they have done??</p><p>I mean I can understand they don't care of what mortal says, coz mortals don't have the knowledge to understand actions. they only see a tiny bit of history while gods might work on something greater for millenias.</p><p>But when all the gods lock you ... they should ask themself why that ^^.</p><p>no, they are so sure of themself that they won't try to get better and understand what had gone wrong ... such a shame <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Well, how is a god suppose to question if what they're doing is right or wrong? Just like us Mortals, I imagine they'd have to experiment and see what happens first, and respond to feedback from other gods when questioned. I don't think Anashti was given that opportunity. She went ahead and did it without consulting anyone else.</p>

[Akien]

<p>I feel her heart was in the right place. Just the execution of the plan was a little off. So really i feel bad for her <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Banditman]

<p>In think Anashti's "mistake" as it were is that her development of Undeath impacted not only her followers, but the followers of all the gods.  Thus the Pantheon took action against her.</p>

[Barx]

<p>Another thing to consider is that the Anashti Sul now is definately not the Anashti Sul at the time she was sent into the void. The void warps things, and I'm sure its effect would even work on a God, especially one already angry about being put into the void and having her old sphere of influence taken over by an outsider.</p>

[Akien]

<p>So it seems the formor goddess of healing now needs some healing her self. mmmm makes sense. I wonder if i should go take a trip into the void and see what happens <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> lol</p><p>But then again maybe she can be redeemed. ^.^ I just think she would be a better Prime healer instead of Rodect. I mean hes a creepy alien thingy. ewww. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cablejunky]

<p>Hopfully this makes sence...</p><p>What form is Anashti in when you fight her in the Void and the contested version in The Sinking Sands?  Are we fighting the full flegged God?</p><p>When we killed her contested version last night , I don't remember seeing the Planar Manifestation title, she doesn't have the Avatar of "whaterver" title either. </p><p>You would think if you kill a God, especially such a hated God, you would think that the rest of the Gods would notice? </p><p>Or are we just killing her physical form, and not her spiritual form, and because she still has belivers, she truley never dies...</p>

[Akien]

<p><cite>Grump@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopfully this makes sence...</p><p>What form is Anashti in when you fight her in the Void and the contested version in The Sinking Sands?  Are we fighting the full flegged God?</p><p>When we killed her contested version last night , I don't remember seeing the Planar Manifestation title, she doesn't have the Avatar of "whaterver" title either. </p><p>You would think if you kill a God, especially such a hated God, you would think that the rest of the Gods would notice? </p><p>Or are we just killing her physical form, and not her spiritual form, and because she still has belivers, she truley never dies...</p></blockquote><p>It could be her Physcial form in a sense. But i think its more like you can never kill a god you can weaken maybe. The only way a god could be killed. Unless your Xena. Is to have another god do it and i think all they can do is just banish her. But now she has to many followers and that would not be an easy task.</p>

[Aneova]

<p><cite>Shiar@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grump@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopfully this makes sence...</p><p>What form is Anashti in when you fight her in the Void and the contested version in The Sinking Sands?  Are we fighting the full flegged God?</p><p>When we killed her contested version last night , I don't remember seeing the Planar Manifestation title, she doesn't have the Avatar of "whaterver" title either. </p><p>You would think if you kill a God, especially such a hated God, you would think that the rest of the Gods would notice? </p><p>Or are we just killing her physical form, and not her spiritual form, and because she still has belivers, she truley never dies...</p></blockquote><p>It could be her Physcial form in a sense. But i think its more like you can never kill a god you can weaken maybe. The only way a god could be killed. Unless your Xena. Is to have another god do it and i think all they can do is just banish her. But now she has to many followers and that would not be an easy task.</p></blockquote><p>Theer is the Norrathian Godslayer.</p>

[Akien]

<p><cite>Aneova@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shiar@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grump@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopfully this makes sence...</p><p>What form is Anashti in when you fight her in the Void and the contested version in The Sinking Sands?  Are we fighting the full flegged God?</p><p>When we killed her contested version last night , I don't remember seeing the Planar Manifestation title, she doesn't have the Avatar of "whaterver" title either. </p><p>You would think if you kill a God, especially such a hated God, you would think that the rest of the Gods would notice? </p><p>Or are we just killing her physical form, and not her spiritual form, and because she still has belivers, she truley never dies...</p></blockquote><p>It could be her Physcial form in a sense. But i think its more like you can never kill a god you can weaken maybe. The only way a god could be killed. Unless your Xena. Is to have another god do it and i think all they can do is just banish her. But now she has to many followers and that would not be an easy task.</p></blockquote><p>Theer is the Norrathian Godslayer.</p></blockquote><p>Who might that be?</p>

[therodge]

<p><cite>Shiar@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Aneova@Kithicor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shiar@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Grump@Butcherblock wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Hopfully this makes sence...</p><p>What form is Anashti in when you fight her in the Void and the contested version in The Sinking Sands?  Are we fighting the full flegged God?</p><p>When we killed her contested version last night , I don't remember seeing the Planar Manifestation title, she doesn't have the Avatar of "whaterver" title either. </p><p>You would think if you kill a God, especially such a hated God, you would think that the rest of the Gods would notice? </p><p>Or are we just killing her physical form, and not her spiritual form, and because she still has belivers, she truley never dies...</p></blockquote><p>It could be her Physcial form in a sense. But i think its more like you can never kill a god you can weaken maybe. The only way a god could be killed. Unless your Xena. Is to have another god do it and i think all they can do is just banish her. But now she has to many followers and that would not be an easy task.</p></blockquote><p>Theer is the Norrathian Godslayer.</p></blockquote><p>Who might that be?</p></blockquote><p>Basically Rohin (sp?) Theer was the origanal owner of both the quenos claymore and soulfire and was the Avatar of the nameless basically when the gods got out of line he smacked them, well the gods didnt like that idea so they cast him into the void he is assumed to be not only increadably powerful but the leader of the void invastion and the end boss of TSF</p><p>Edit: interesting factoid it is said the swords were the right and keft hand of theer which i take it as him dual weilding them, that said their true forms are both 2 handed weopons, so think a warlock in plate armor dual weilding what very well be the most powerful 2 handed weopons in norrath with an army of void creatures and the rage of sally struthers without a donut</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>Rhoen Theer, the Avatar of the Nameless.. was tasked as an equalizer for imbalances in the pantheon. Somehow or another he ended up going into the void and never came back out.</p><p>If it wasn't her avatar on Norrath, then she is plenty killable in all senses. Gods only hold immortality in their own planes.. just as they can create a tree or a rock or a building in their own plane through sheer will, they can create a copy of themselves. It's not as easy here on Norrath. Most of the gods are creating avatars which are a little more than that, and take much more power to maintain. They do despawn after a certain period of time unkilled, so that's a possible explanation.</p><p>As for Anashti, she got bumped right out of the void and went right back to her people. If she was creating an avatar for herself, it would have her beautiful intact self like she tries to project in the Palace before you drain her energy by killing her minions. With that said, I doubt it's just an avatar, and she really does become killable. The Rathe council lost one of it's members during a visit to Norrath and the Rathe Mountains were formed. In EQ1's latest expansion Seeds of Destruction, the gods were forced to come to Norrath to keep it from being destroyed and were slain one by one by the gods of discord that waited for them. Veeshan's corpse floats in the remnants of the Norrathian sky, and the other gods are announced dead by Zebuxxoruk. If Anashti made a trip to Sinking Sands and was killed, she would die.</p><p>We may somehow see her again though, through an oversight here or there. She's still a worshippable diety so some form of her power is being tapped by those using her miracles and blessings.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Rhoen Theer, the Avatar of the Nameless.. was tasked as an equalizer for imbalances in the pantheon. Somehow or another he ended up going into the void and never came back out.</p><p>If it wasn't her avatar on Norrath, then she is plenty killable in all senses. Gods only hold immortality in their own planes.. just as they can create a tree or a rock or a building in their own plane through sheer will, they can create a copy of themselves. It's not as easy here on Norrath. Most of the gods are creating avatars which are a little more than that, and take much more power to maintain. They do despawn after a certain period of time unkilled, so that's a possible explanation.</p><p>As for Anashti, she got bumped right out of the void and went right back to her people. If she was creating an avatar for herself, it would have her beautiful intact self like she tries to project in the Palace before you drain her energy by killing her minions. With that said, I doubt it's just an avatar, and she really does become killable. The Rathe council lost one of it's members during a visit to Norrath and the Rathe Mountains were formed. In EQ1's latest expansion Seeds of Destruction, the gods were forced to come to Norrath to keep it from being destroyed and were slain one by one by the gods of discord that waited for them. Veeshan's corpse floats in the remnants of the Norrathian sky, and the other gods are announced dead by Zebuxxoruk. If Anashti made a trip to Sinking Sands and was killed, she would die.</p><p>We may somehow see her again though, through an oversight here or there. She's still a worshippable diety so some form of her power is being tapped by those using her miracles and blessings.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, the story of the Rathe Mountains is that a mountain sprung up on the location of the execution grounds of each of the 12 members of the council. 12 mountains for 12 members. They later reformed in the Plane of Earth like all gods do after their physical form is destroyed though.</p><p>I don't know if this is an oversight by the devs or intentional, but Anashti's physical avatar on Norrath is not called "The Avatar of Eternal Life". She is named "Anashti Sul", as in the Goddess herself.</p>

[Rezikai]

<p>I think its supposed to be her Avatar, reason i assume this is when you do the Anashti Deity quests you actually go back to Silent city and spawn her in the Godkings Palace and when she spawns its as the "Avatar of the Forgotten". I kind of think the reason it doesnt say "Planar Manifestation" under her Avatars name in Sinking sands is because she doesnt control the plane of Health anymore, and projects an avatar from somewhere else on norrath or wherever shes been hiding out.</p><p>Oh and i thought just 1 of the Raethe council were killed and the council had to pick a new member b/c that member got killed on Norrath making the Raethe mountains?</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think its supposed to be her Avatar, reason i assume this is when you do the Anashti Deity quests you actually go back to Silent city and spawn her in the Godkings Palace and when she spawns its as the "Avatar of the Forgotten". I kind of think the reason it doesnt say "Planar Manifestation" under her Avatars name in Sinking sands is because she doesnt control the plane of Health anymore, and projects an avatar from somewhere else on norrath or wherever shes been hiding out.</p><p>Oh and i thought just 1 of the Raethe council were killed and the council had to pick a new member b/c that member got killed on Norrath making the Raethe mountains?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, the Rallosian Army captured one member of the Rathe Council and brought them to Norrath to be executed. This was after an initial assault on the Plane of Earth where they discovered that each member that fell was immediately replaced.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>The original story of the first Rallosian army tells that all 12 of the councilmembers were killed, because when one was killed, a mountain sprang up on that spot, so they had to move. Lake Rathetear was created because the gods wept for the deaths of the Earthen elemental god.</p>

[Akien]

<p><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think its supposed to be her Avatar, reason i assume this is when you do the Anashti Deity quests you actually go back to Silent city and spawn her in the Godkings Palace and when she spawns its as the "Avatar of the Forgotten". I kind of think the reason it doesnt say "Planar Manifestation" under her Avatars name in Sinking sands is because she doesnt control the plane of Health anymore, and projects an avatar from somewhere else on norrath or wherever shes been hiding out.</p><p>Oh and i thought just 1 of the Raethe council were killed and the council had to pick a new member b/c that member got killed on Norrath making the Raethe mountains?</p></blockquote><p>I agree with this statement. I don't think its actualy her in Sinking Sands just her Avatar. She isn't hiding out in a plane that any one else would know. Should could be staying in the Antonia Bayles bedroom. *shrugs*</p><p>It just seems to me that an average adventure like ourselves would have enough power to kill the actualy god.</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>Well keep in mind, we don't know if the time she's spent out of godhood has diminished her power any either. The fact that she has nowhere to hide at this point furthers my belief that it is indeed her entirety that is present in the sinking sands.</p><p>Also, killing a god is not difficult. It's a matter of overcoming their power, just as any other fight. If we can defeat their avatars, which are directly channeled projections that aren't intended to be destructable, then there's no reason we can't overwhelm a god. They are invulnerable in their realm, but in ours we're a formidable force.</p><p>To clear up some of the confusion..</p><p><span ><div>         "As the Shissar began to travel and expand off of Kunark, they encountered the Rallosian Empire, lead by the ogre Warlord Murdunk. This empire had already conquered much of the northern continents, and opposed to the Shissar moving into their territory. Murdunk met with Ssraeshza himself to discuss an alliance. He spoke of how powerful their empires were, how they, the children of the gods, had conquered everything in their path, and were the true masters of the world. Rather than turn against each other, Murdunk proposed that they expand beyond Norrath, for nothing could stop them, and that they invade the alter planes. Ssraeshza agreed, for his lust for power had become great, and believed that in conquering the gods his power would be supreme, and plans were made for the invasion of the planes of the gods.</div> <div> </div> <div>       The Shissar and the Ogres each exchanged their knowledge of war and magic, profiting both, but rather than work as a combined force they desired to work towards their separate goals. Murdunk prepared for an invasion of the Plane of Earth, and Ssraeshza planned an attack on several lesser planes. While the Rallosian Empire’s first attempt failed, the Shissar were successful. Ssraeshza himself engaged in combat with unnamed deities, and emerged victorious, striking down and slaying the divine. Standing over the fallen gods, having conquered their planes, Ssraeshza turned to his armies and proclaimed himself divine, ‘the godslayer’, and worthy of worship by his people.</div> <div>        The Rallosian Empire, too, succeeded in their second invasion of the Plane of Earth, and captured the Rathe Council. <strong>Taking them back to the mountains in Southern Tunaria</strong>, Murdunk gathered his people together, and there executed the gods. And in this moment, as Ssraeshza and Murdunk basked in victory, and when in seemed that the children of the gods had conquered their creators, retaliation came. The Ogres suffered a terrible curse, of which is told elsewhere, but for the Shissar and Ssraeshza who declared himself a god, a harsher fate was in store."</div><div></div><div>This could be an oversight by the author, but it's a reliable source. It would seem more difficult to conjure up a specific location than to just relay the one provided by his sources. It's possible that the first invasion only took down one of the council and that the rest were slain in the following invasion.</div></span></p>

[Sale]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The original story of the first Rallosian army tells that all 12 of the councilmembers were killed, because when one was killed, a mountain sprang up on that spot, so they had to move. Lake Rathetear was created because the gods wept for the deaths of the Earthen elemental god.</p></blockquote><p>Only one Rathe council member was brought to Norrath and executed and that alone raised the Rathe mountains and formed the Lake that's also why there are 12 council members on PoP on EQlive instead of the 13 they used to be, for once one of them is slain on Norrath they cannot be replaced.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>I imagine that Anashti Sul can do like the other deities and forge an avatar so to speak. we call the ones for the other gods avatars becuase we know that they are in thier own planes. the Avatar of Growth or Health becuase we know that Nife and Tunare are in thier realms.</p><p>Anashti doesn't really have a 'realm' anymore. so her physical manifestation is it. I'm sure if Anashti kicks Nife out of Health, we'd refer to any manifestation of Nife simply as Rodcet Nife...and Anashti's form would become the 'Avatar of Xplane'</p><p>Thier power is forged by thier followers as much as thier own natural power. Zeb alludes to that, that they depend on our worship for a great portion of thier power.</p><p>Anashti still has legions of devoted/fanatical Void beings. all her little 'feathers' on norrath itself...and many of the undead/anti-healers (which I imagine is inquisitor types. redemption/salvation through pain/torment) and there's still the entire city in the Sinking Sands of undead devotees.</p><p>Destroying her physical form in the Void severed her ties to it...but on norrath her power isn't near so strong yet. To norrath she's a new kid on the block vying for followers in the pantheon..I'd hope if we ever see her gain the strength to actually invade Health, wether we help her or hinder her, that she'll be strong enough to manifest as her 'living' version.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Kerias wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The original story of the first Rallosian army tells that all 12 of the councilmembers were killed, because when one was killed, a mountain sprang up on that spot, so they had to move. Lake Rathetear was created because the gods wept for the deaths of the Earthen elemental god.</p></blockquote><p>Only one Rathe council member was brought to Norrath and executed and that alone raised the Rathe mountains and formed the Lake that's also why there are 12 council members on PoP on EQlive instead of the 13 they used to be, for once one of them is slain on Norrath they cannot be replaced.</p></blockquote><p>"Of the Greater Gods and the Giants and their Curse" - from the Everquest Official Player's Guide circa 1999.</p><p><em>"Far to the south, another civilization grew to great power as well. The Ogres also worshipped the Warlord, even more fervently than the Giants. Their empire constantly expanded, eventually even to other dimensions, and upon invading the Plane of Earth, did do battle with the Council of Rathe. And while the Ogres to this day sing songs of their initial victory over these </em><em><strong>twelve</strong> mighty beings, it is also true that when one of these gods fell, soon another rose from the earth to take his place."</em></p><p>(Which is true of the PoP encounter: If you killed one, it would respawn, so you had to kill all 12 within a about a minute of each other.)</p><p>Background of The Rathe Mountains - From the Everquest Maps of Myrist circa 2003 - written and published by SoE themselves.</p><p><em>"Ogre legends claim that <strong>each of the twelve peaks</strong> <strong>in this range sprung forth from the very spot where a member of the Rathe Council was slain</strong> by the ogre hero, Murdunk, after he invaded the Plane of Earth."</em></p><p>It says "each" of the twelve peaks, which means they sprang forth one by one when all 12 council members were executed.</p><p>Background of Lake Rathetear - from the Everquest Maps of Myrist:</p><p><em>"Legends state that this lake was formed from the tears of the Rathe, as<strong> one by one they were executed by Murdunk and his ogre army in the primal world where they had been imprisoned.</strong> The earthen gods would later reform on their home plane after Murdunk's death, which, ironically, occured in the very waters that arose from his murderous actions. It is said that the ogre was felled upon the lake during an epic battle waged to determine the ultimate fate of Zek's mortal children."</em></p><p>"Primal world where they were imprisoned" implies Norrath itself.</p><p>Quite frankly, I've never heard anything that only one member had ever been killed.</p><p>I appologize for going off topic in this thread about Anashti Sul, but I felt I had to comment on it when it was brought up.</p>

[Sale]

<p>Meh deleted my reply because I dont want it to get derailed more and more or locked =P Back to lurking I go! >.> /fades</p>

[teddyboy4]

<p>Yeah, I do find it kind of odd that the Anashti-Sul encounter mob, the one that in terms of difficulty and tier is even w/ other Avatars, doesn't have a name that is structuraly the same as all the other gods Avatars. IMHO, I would think that means that the mob is NOT her Avatar, but possibly a physical manifestation of herself, while all the Avatars are physical manifestations of each gods "aspect" rather then the physical manifestation of the god itself. Now, that is not to say that the mob is Anasthi Sul herself and that, when defeated, means that you are defeating the goddess herself, just that it's a manifestation of her and not the aspect she represents. Yes, many of the other Avatars closely resemble the generally accepted "look" of each of the gods, but I think it's a little different w/ Anashti.</p><p>And now...this thread started out about Anashti, and somehow got deralled and veered off in two directions, and I hate to do it but I have to comment about some things...</p><p>First, Maergoth, where did you get that story of the first Rallosian army/empire meeting up with the Shissar and trading secrets to each others benefit? It's pretty interesting, but I had never heard/read it before and some of the points it brings up are kinda suspect. I mean, I suppose it's possible that the two empires did cross paths and share some info but personally I don't think it likely. This is Warlord Murdunk we're talking about here, he cared little for any races besides the children of Zek, and while I'm sure if he did ever come across the Shissar Empire he would undoubtedly recognize their immense power, I don't see any kind of alliance likely.</p><p>I also don't understand your comment about the "<span ><span><strong>Taking them back to the mountains in Southern Tunaria,..."</strong></span></span></p><p>Why would that be an oversite? That jives with the original, in-game lore, and canonical lore that said the Rallosian Army took the Rathe Council back to Norrath and executed them, with the Rathe Mountains in Southern Tunaria/Antonica springing up where each was executed and Lake Rathetear being formed from the tears shed by the gods and their minions for the executed.</p><p>I also saw someone else post a story about the Rallosian Empire and their battle with the Rathe that was from the EQ xpac Seeds of Destruction, which, as far as we know isn't canon to EQ2. Although, it is one of those things that revises previously known lore, that chronologically, occured before the time-split possibly rewriting overall lore for the EQ universe. That, IMO is one of the biggest gray areas in the whole of Norrathian lore, and I'm sure certain people will say that even though the lore in question occured <strong>before</strong> the split, it doesn't count b/c it was introduced in an expansion that was released chronologically <strong>after</strong> PoP. I, personally don't think it's so cut-and-dry, but only time will tell.</p>

[Maergoth]

<p>The oversight would be the fact that the mountains wouldn't have existed until they were slain.. yet he took them to the mountains to slay them?</p>

[teddyboy4]

<p><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The oversight would be the fact that the mountains wouldn't have existed until they were slain.. yet he took them to the mountains to slay them?</p></blockquote><p>HA!!! Good point, I didn't catch that one. lol</p>

[Larkverdin]

<p>So I was doing the 3rd diety quest for AS, and as a result of some of the dialogue I shared with her prophet, I do believe she considers Bertoxx an enemy also, here's some screens to verify:</p><p>This one specifically says that "with so many enemies..." right after it refers to both Rodcet and Bertoxx</p><p><img src="http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4230/eq2000014.jpg" width="1024" height="640" /> </p><p>And this one mentions AS being ready for war or marching on both the Plaguebringer or Rodcet himself</p><p><img src="http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2637/eq2000015o.jpg" width="1024" height="640" /></p><p>So I believe that AS' beef with Bertoxx is the fact that he is actively spreading disease throughout Norrath, and she still considers herself a "healer" of sorts</p><p>**Edit for resizing of SS**</p>

[Nai]

<p>I think the encounter in Sinking Sands is an avatar of sorts, largely because there's the whole "you will not directly fight the Gods in EQ2 like you did in EQ1" clause that was attached to this game. Also, the idea that she's got no Planar Manifestation tag or related title due to currently not ruling over a plane makes a lot more sense than outright fighting a god; also, making her a worshippable god yet killing her off makes little sense as well, as her miracles and blessings would vanish upon her death...</p><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;">Edit: Good gods, I don't post on the forums enough...that's a horribly old signature...</span></p>

[Liched]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>why do gods never question themself about what they have done??</p><p>I mean I can understand they don't care of what mortal says, coz mortals don't have the knowledge to understand actions. they only see a tiny bit of history while gods might work on something greater for millenias.</p><p>But when all the gods lock you ... they should ask themself why that ^^.</p><p>no, they are so sure of themself that they won't try to get better and understand what had gone wrong ... such a shame <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Well, how is a god suppose to question if what they're doing is right or wrong? Just like us Mortals, I imagine they'd have to experiment and see what happens first, and respond to feedback from other gods when questioned. I don't think Anashti was given that opportunity. She went ahead and did it without consulting anyone else.</p></blockquote><p>I think, in a way, when Solusek punished one of the four he understood that his actions were wrong and that's why he allowed him to create the staff of the four (eq1 epic weapon). So maybe on trivial things Gods don't mind reverting their actions. But perhaps with large events like this they are really just seeing the long term picture and they believe the final outcome is what is most important. So I would tend to agree here!</p>

[Sale]

<p><cite>Liched@Runnyeye wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>why do gods never question themself about what they have done??</p><p>I mean I can understand they don't care of what mortal says, coz mortals don't have the knowledge to understand actions. they only see a tiny bit of history while gods might work on something greater for millenias.</p><p>But when all the gods lock you ... they should ask themself why that ^^.</p><p>no, they are so sure of themself that they won't try to get better and understand what had gone wrong ... such a shame <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Well, how is a god suppose to question if what they're doing is right or wrong? Just like us Mortals, I imagine they'd have to experiment and see what happens first, and respond to feedback from other gods when questioned. I don't think Anashti was given that opportunity. She went ahead and did it without consulting anyone else.</p></blockquote><p>I think, in a way, when Solusek punished one of the four he understood that his actions were wrong and that's why he allowed him to create the staff of the four (eq1 epic weapon). So maybe on trivial things Gods don't mind reverting their actions. But perhaps with large events like this they are really just seeing the long term picture and they believe the final outcome is what is most important. So I would tend to agree here!</p></blockquote><p>The Staff of the four . . . he punished all four wizards, 3 of them died due to being stripped of their powers the other just lost the love of his life that was with him just because of his power . . . that's the one that gives you the staff.  I don't think solusek will never feel bad about anything he does, he is arrogant like heck : p</p>

[Liched]

<p>Hey he's not that bad!! At least he has feelings <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>'It is said, however, that because Arantir's betrayal was not so great as the other students, that Solusek Ro pitied him. Over time the powerful god began to return to the mortal small portions of his former power.'</p><p>But heck don't get me wrong, I'm not a follower of him and his penchant for arson! I just thought it was cute that he felt a bit bad for him. Maybe he had a thing for Tunare at one time and related? ;-P</p><p>Now my almighty Faceless would never do such a thing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</p>