Next Big nerf for Brigands

[Tanlliel]

<p>I read that they are planning to make the only thing that we bring to a raid 50% less effective, despatch will only be a melee debuff and conjys will get the equiv debuff for magic.</p><p>This was said do make the summoner class more wanted in raids.</p><p>Well, good luck to the class, but before you get your hopes up, I've never been in a raid where people have said that they need a brigand for any boss, so an extra 50% debuff from a basically unwanted class will make them more wanted?</p><p>Maybe give summoners all of our despatch and allow brigs to convert to assassins would be a better option.</p><p>Brigs have been nerfed since the aoe immune, that was our only shining light. If you cant find a place for us just remove the class. Dont give the worst raid class a weakened ability from the second worst raid class.</p><p>Oh, and I didnt see the thread about it in scouts</p>

[Finnmaccool]

<p>Typically top 3 on parse *shrug* my raids love me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Darkor]

<p><cite>Finnmaccool wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Typically top 3 on parse *shrug* my raids love me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Your other dps classes suck then sir.</p>

[Garoc_the_Dark]

<p>I have been a Brigand from the start really have never taken a break from the game until recently when the raiding content caused many guilds to impload on my server, most critically mine.  I was really ticked about some of the changes to the Brigand in the past, but I stuck it out because I am a Brigand at heart.  These changes could really put the nail in the coffin for me and really kill any motivation I have to login.  </p>

[Wigfeet]

Currently, Brigand “Dispatched” and other debuffs are crucial for raiding and some group situations. Meanwhile, Summoners are finding they rarely get a seat at the table. As a result, Rogue debuffs are being refocused to work on melee, while Summoners step into a new role of debuffing spell abilities. Also, with regards to Rogues, Brigands and Swashbucklers each have irreplaceable abilities such that most raids have 1 of each. Some of these abilities will become common between the two classes so that any Rogue can be effective in raid situations. but i dont remember seeing anything about making assassins and rangers the same , or SKs and Pallies, or any other subclass. brigand is the 2nd to least played class , 2nd only to coerecers... why us? why now? AR had to be changed since they were going to add AoE intensive raid encounters, but the summoners knew they were summoners when they rolled the class or at least well before they hit lvl 50. if they wanted to raid they should have rolled a usefull class!

[Backpayne]

<p>/rant on</p><p>I've read this on more than a few posts and the response is always the same...</p><p>poster 1: "Nerf inc to brigs!"</p><p>poster 2: "omgz no! If this happens I'm going to cancel!  I swear!"</p><p>Lets look at it realistically...</p><p>They take the magic side of debuffs away from the brigs, slight nerf.  They give it to a class that needed a boost, not the brightest idea but whatever.</p><p>Benefit to the brig - no more complaints from finger winglers about not casting our snare when PoM isn't up after a mob strips debuffs.</p><p>Benefit to summoners - since sorcerers and enchanters both need the magic side of the debuffs to boost their dps, summoners get a raid spot.</p><p>This is in addition to chanters and bards getting some of their buffs changed to be raid-wide instead of group only.  Battle Cry, Time Compression, Upbeat Tempo - from what I've read anyway - get up to 4 targets, 1 per group with the rest of the group being immune to the effect.  This frees up slots for the summoners as you will no longer need 4 bards, 4 enchanters as a base for raids.</p><p>Brigs getting a nerf?  Not as much as you think.  Bards/enchanters receiving the red-headed stepchild beatdown of a lifetime?  You bet.  How does this change anything?  A lot of the bards/enchanters that have popped up have been summoners/brawlers who found their main couldn't find a raid spot and rerolled to a utility class.  Now instead of having ten posts in the 70-79 channel of 80 LFG every 10sec, you'll have 80 LFG (have a pocket if needed!</p><p>The most important part of all of this though isn't the pros or cons of the change(s) being made.  Take a second to take a breath - it hasn't happened yet, its not even on test yet.  Until it happens, until you actually see the changes being made and how they will affect YOU personally - <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">quit over reacting</span>!</strong></p><p>If the changes go live with only things being taken from the brigand class and nothing in return, I could see getting a bit annoyed but cancelling your account?  Seriously?  If you're looking for a reason to quit, just do it.  Don't blame it on changeX and say it made the class no longer enjoyable when its something so pathetically minor.  Yes, the brigand class role is to primarily debuff a mob.  Secondary role by default is to dps.  I'm not at the top of the parse but I'm not at the bottom either.  Our dps could use a minor boost to be higher than swashy dps on single target but lower on multi-target.  Our deagros need a serious boost without a doubt.  Amazing Reflexes means little with all the damage shields on mobs and AE's firing off that ignore AE blockers.  Thieve's Guild is nearly useless.  Shenanigans is a wasted slot on a hotbar.  Will to Survive is a joke... Theres several issues with the class in general so if you need to pick something wrong to give you a reason to quit, pick the right one - YOU WANT TO!</p><p>/rant off</p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=331799111">Backpayne</a></p>

[lazlo1]

<p>Its prob too early too panic. But it seems the writing is on the wall.  Brigs have been nerfed / ignored for a long time because the devs say "you got dispatch" Now they are gona nerf that.  Thats what irks me.</p><p>Brigands are not that popular of a class to start with.  So why did the devs single us our for a massive nerf to boost another class.  They are gone make our class defining abilty not nearly as good.</p><p>When it comes to raiding, dispatch is the main reason we get in.  Brig AOE dps is laughable, and our single target dps is just ok. AR is more and more useless.</p><p>I picked a char to raid with.  The reason I rolled a brig was for displatch, so yea it may be a game changer for me if they nerf it.</p>

[Turb]

<p>There's going to be a bunch of brigs betraying to swash for Tier 9.</p><p>I don't know what swash/brig skills will be shared between the classes, but I doubt that brigs will get any of the AOE abilities that swashies get that make them so good for dps in ROK/TSO raids (and instances).</p><p>Brigs also have the disadvantage of having more attacks that require finding the mob's backside than a swash does.   Same applies to assassins, but at least when the find it they have some big hits to unload.</p><p>And bizarrely bards get the better AOE immunity with their STR line (5 points there gets a 10 sec AOE immunity CA), while we have to squint at the AR icon to gauge whether to joust or not.   Swashies also get an AOE immunity of course.</p><p>We're going to need a new USP...</p>

[PeteyWheatstraw]

<p>honestly i hate to see the fail boat raids your on that don't have a summoner in it. our summoner. Paii, Necroluvin and other casters do 4 times as much as our brigand Kruhl!</p><p>I don't know what you guys are smoking but it must be good!</p>

[PeteyWheatstraw]

<p>Kruhl i know is better than most the scrubby players and better than many of the good ones.</p><p>Summoner's are capable of some rediculous dammage. Paii and Necroluvin both have pulled 30k parses in tso raid zones. name one brigand that can do that?</p><p>ok problem solved. learn to be less biased. Brigands where my first and favorite class. and you don't hear me crying about it.</p>

[TheSpin]

<p>Truth be told, I don't mind this change.  Melee dps from my experience tends to really pay attention to the call for dispatch, while many casters are set in their casting order and pretty much follow their casting order regardless of the mitigation debuffs on the mob.  Maybe having a caster that casts it will help all of the mages make better use of it.</p>

[bob777888]

<p>i lol @ your 30k parse story</p>

[Ricky79]

<p>/shrug our conj and necro parse very high... we have a lot of classes and alts to choose from so we work a lot of people/classes in30k... i've seen our conj hit 40k in PoAO many times maybe if i remember i'll post the parse of the next one</p>

[Turb]

<p>Our conjuror hits 30k+ sometimes, quite regularly in Palace in fact.   Though he's only pushed those numbers since getting his Najena ring.</p><p>Swashies can hit some pretty big numbers on AE fights thanks to Hurricane.    Numbers we can only dream of.</p><p>Brigs, well, yeah we have Negotiation and Double Up, but that's not going to get you good AE dps in a fight that lasts a while.   </p><p>I think the thing I'd like to see most as a compromise is removal of rear-only positional requirements for 5 of the CAs we have.   I'm told swashies and assassins have only one rear-only attack.   If these were flank or rear instead it would help a ton, particularly given the growing use of memwipes/blurs which cause mobs to run/spin all over the place so much more.</p><p>We'll have to wait and see what happens.   None of the rumours from beta worry me too much, yet, and of course we can't talk about that here yet...</p>