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Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 12:58 AM

<cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>*chuckles*. Oh devs, you guys are some devious SOBs. Put out the whole Order of Rime quest, get us absolutely certain that we were looking at Velious, and then pull back the curtain on Odus.Well played devs, well played <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />Although I will say, I am a little worried at the lack of mention of a new race to go with our new city. Hopefully that's just something they're holding back for tomorrow.</blockquote>Naming themselves the "wind of the North"Lack of Velium weapons.No signs of any devotion to Rallos, Tallon, or Vallon Zek.Association with non giant races.Naming themselves more than "stupid giants."No mention of Kromris (Frost Giant) or Kromzek among them.Kraytoc Killingfrost being referred to as a "giant of a man"What exactly gave you any assurance that this was Velious?

Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 12:59 AM

<cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>IT'S ABOUT [Removed for Content] TIME!Huzzahs are in order! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!!!</blockquote>Hopefully they don't screw you over by making Erudin taken over, as they did me.</blockquote>Bad news for you, files on Test show that Erudin is a dungeon.

Josgar

06-27-2009, 01:00 AM

<cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>IT'S ABOUT [Removed for Content] TIME!Huzzahs are in order! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!!!</blockquote>Hopefully they don't screw you over by making Erudin taken over, as they did me.</blockquote>Bad news for you, files on Test show that Erudin is a dungeon.</blockquote>Lovely. All the good cities are gone ><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Looks like my crusade will have to recapture Felwithe AND Erudin.

Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 01:02 AM

Halas is the new good city.

Rainmare

06-27-2009, 01:34 AM

I am beyond disappointed. not only was I looking forward to velious....but I absolutely despised odus. there was nothing on that contient worth spending the time to go there. all there was was the warrens, the hole, and old paineel.no one went to stonebrunt except on the way to Gunthak. no one but erudite newbs spent any time in erudin or toxx forest. the whole continent could be put in a [Removed for Content] LU.I don't care about the Quellthulians. I didn't care about them when they showed up before KoS, and I don't care about them now. what can they possibly put on Odus that will make me want to spend 10 levels and or 40 bucks on that spit of land?

Morghus

06-27-2009, 01:40 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am beyond disappointed. not only was I looking forward to velious....but I absolutely despised odus. there was nothing on that contient worth spending the time to go there. all there was was the warrens, the hole, and old paineel.no one went to stonebrunt except on the way to Gunthak. no one but erudite newbs spent any time in erudin or toxx forest. the whole continent could be put in a [Removed for Content] LU.I don't care about the Quellthulians. I didn't care about them when they showed up before KoS, and I don't care about them now. what can they possibly put on Odus that will make me want to spend 10 levels and or 40 bucks on that spit of land?</blockquote>My feelings exactly.

Cusashorn

06-27-2009, 01:41 AM

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote> the whole continent could be put in a [Removed for Content] LU.</blockquote>ErudinErud's CrossingPaineelToxxulia ForestThe WarrensThe HoleStonebrundt MountainsKerra IsleThe Vasty DeepThe Barren CoastThe Grand Plateau.All of those zones can be patched in a Live Update, huh?

Ghalon

06-27-2009, 01:49 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote> the whole continent could be put in a [Removed for Content] LU.</blockquote>ErudinErud's CrossingPaineelToxxulia ForestThe WarrensThe HoleStonebrundt MountainsKerra IsleThe Vasty DeepThe Barren CoastThe Grand Plateau.All of those zones can be patched in a Live Update, huh?</blockquote>To answer your question....why yes it can.

Josgar

06-27-2009, 01:54 AM

<cite>Ghalon@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote> the whole continent could be put in a [Removed for Content] LU.</blockquote>ErudinErud's CrossingPaineelToxxulia ForestThe WarrensThe HoleStonebrundt MountainsKerra IsleThe Vasty DeepThe Barren CoastThe Grand Plateau.All of those zones can be patched in a Live Update, huh?</blockquote>To answer your question....why yes it can.</blockquote>That's bigger than DOF >.> and possibly KOS.

Mordavian

06-27-2009, 02:07 AM

Eh... Odus isn't that interesting. I mean it's cool to have it in game finally but overall it was never really a big nor interesting place. I'm not going to say they shouldn't do Odus, obvuously it's part of Norrath and deserves to be reintroduced.Halas sounds awesome.. but honestly I think it should really learn towards Neutral more than Good.. Assuming that the city is still held by barbarians then barbarians of most classes should be able to start there.. Kerrans, well they're from Odus and I am guessing Halas isn't too far from Odus now so it would make sense for Kerrans to go there, they are tribal and not too dissimular from Barbarians.I don't think any of the Faydwer races should really be able to start in Halas. Dwarves maybe but honestly I don't see why they would. Erudites would be killed on sight by Barbarians. Humans would be okay probably.. Frogloks have the Mithaniel Marr connection but it's kinda hard to see Frogs living in Halas..So yeah Halas as a good city will require quite a bit of lore twisting.. which isn't new to EQ2 but still. After the way they did Everfrost in this game I guess I'm just hoping they do Halas some justice from a lore standpoint.. :

Melanchol

06-27-2009, 02:08 AM

you guys can spin it how you like. The fact is, it's not velious. and Velious was bigger and better than 1000 Odus's. You can't blame people for being dissapointed in getting a pinto when they were expecting a ferrari. I'm sure Odus will be fun. But.... it's not velious-- so it loses by default.

Rainmare

06-27-2009, 02:12 AM

you seriously think for a second your going to see Erud's crossing, when we didn't even get the Ocean of Tears?but yeah, I think they could put the rest of that continent in 1 LU. it's small enough.not to mention Paineel wasn't being enough for it's own zone, it was built intot he side of the Hole. Erudin is a dugeon, the warrens is a dugeon.so paineel as a zone is gone, Erudin and warrens as dungeons so maybe sonething the size of ne tunaria for erudin and a befallen sized instance for warrens. Toxx forest covered most of Odus...and since stonebrunt and kerra isle were tiny even by eq1 standards, you could probably combine all 3 into 1 overland zone. then you can have another zone for the grand plateau/barren coast/Hole.so what? 2 overland zones and 3 dungeons maybe?

Zabjade

06-27-2009, 02:17 AM

I look at it this way, we will find out about the Quellthulians fianally.BTW is Halas a Live update Before or WITH the Expansion?I take it no New Races with Odus.Will they be making larger houses? Will Halas have Hotsprings due to all the moveing it has experianced?

Morghus

06-27-2009, 02:21 AM

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote>I look at it this way, we will find out about the Quellthulians fianally.BTW is Halas a Live update Before or WITH the Expansion?I take it no New Races with Odus.Will they be making larger houses? Will Halas have Hotsprings due to all the moveing it has experianced?</blockquote>Neither of those things interest me.

Cusashorn

06-27-2009, 02:36 AM

<cite>Mordavian wrote:</cite><blockquote>Halas sounds awesome.. but honestly I think it should really learn towards Neutral more than Good.. Assuming that the city is still held by barbarians then barbarians of most classes should be able to start there.. Kerrans, well they're from Odus and I am guessing Halas isn't too far from Odus now so it would make sense for Kerrans to go there, they are tribal and not too dissimular from Barbarians.I don't think any of the Faydwer races should really be able to start in Halas. Dwarves maybe but honestly I don't see why they would. Erudites would be killed on sight by Barbarians. Humans would be okay probably.. Frogloks have the Mithaniel Marr connection but it's kinda hard to see Frogs living in Halas..So yeah Halas as a good city will require quite a bit of lore twisting.. which isn't new to EQ2 but still. After the way they did Everfrost in this game I guess I'm just hoping they do Halas some justice from a lore standpoint.. :</blockquote>Regardless of the reasons, both frogloks and Halflings NEED another starting city. Every race in the game has at least 2, if not 3 cities to start in. Halflings and Frogloks only have 1: Qeynos.

Uncaged

06-27-2009, 02:43 AM

<cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ghalon@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote> the whole continent could be put in a [Removed for Content] LU.</blockquote>ErudinErud's CrossingPaineelToxxulia ForestThe WarrensThe HoleStonebrundt MountainsKerra IsleThe Vasty DeepThe Barren CoastThe Grand Plateau.All of those zones can be patched in a Live Update, huh?</blockquote>To answer your question....why yes it can.</blockquote>That's bigger than DOF >.> and possibly KOS.</blockquote>Not really. Think about how big those area were in EQlive and then how areas have shrunk in EQ2. However, I am sure they can stretch zones to suit there needs. Kunark was Huge on EQlive with dozens of zones but in EQ2 it is compacted. Maybe they plan on expanding Odus zones. Shrug. All I know is I hope the rediscovered Kerra look better then the current cats. Also, I hope they don't [Removed for Content] put Odus on some goofy Airship drop like Ykesha. With all due respect, I pretty well hated rediscovered Moors. But............we shall see!

Uncaged

06-27-2009, 02:48 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mordavian wrote:</cite><blockquote>Halas sounds awesome.. but honestly I think it should really learn towards Neutral more than Good.. Assuming that the city is still held by barbarians then barbarians of most classes should be able to start there.. Kerrans, well they're from Odus and I am guessing Halas isn't too far from Odus now so it would make sense for Kerrans to go there, they are tribal and not too dissimular from Barbarians.I don't think any of the Faydwer races should really be able to start in Halas. Dwarves maybe but honestly I don't see why they would. Erudites would be killed on sight by Barbarians. Humans would be okay probably.. Frogloks have the Mithaniel Marr connection but it's kinda hard to see Frogs living in Halas..So yeah Halas as a good city will require quite a bit of lore twisting.. which isn't new to EQ2 but still. After the way they did Everfrost in this game I guess I'm just hoping they do Halas some justice from a lore standpoint.. :</blockquote>Regardless of the reasons, both frogloks and Halflings NEED another starting city. Every race in the game has at least 2, if not 3 cities to start in. Halflings and Frogloks only have 1: Qeynos.</blockquote>Having loved Halas in EQlive, I am excited. However, seeing as that it has *moved*, I am a bit scared too. Scared that they will ruin it for all who previously loved it. Who knows who rebuilt it. Who knows who controls it now. Who knows what climate it has. Who knows...... If I had to guess, I would have to guess it is warm, controlled by another race and resembles little of what it once was. I could be wrong but sadly, I think it will be nothing like the original. Sigh....

Cusashorn

06-27-2009, 02:49 AM

Actually, the zones in EQ2 are larger than EQlive, not the other way around.

ariasta

06-27-2009, 03:17 AM

<cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mirander@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>*chuckles*. Oh devs, you guys are some devious SOBs. Put out the whole Order of Rime quest, get us absolutely certain that we were looking at Velious, and then pull back the curtain on Odus.Well played devs, well played <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" />Although I will say, I am a little worried at the lack of mention of a new race to go with our new city. Hopefully that's just something they're holding back for tomorrow.</blockquote>Naming themselves the "wind of the North"Lack of Velium weapons.No signs of any devotion to Rallos, Tallon, or Vallon Zek.Association with non giant races.Naming themselves more than "stupid giants."No mention of Kromris (Frost Giant) or Kromzek among them.Kraytoc Killingfrost being referred to as a "giant of a man"What exactly gave you any assurance that this was Velious?</blockquote>Cause people are all like ICE ICE OMG OMG ICE ITS GOT TO BE VELIOUS, even tho it was obvious that it wasnt.and im sure Erudinis overrun by the void creatures

Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 03:20 AM

Beholders, actually.

Deson

06-27-2009, 03:23 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Regardless of the reasons, both frogloks and Halflings NEED another starting city. Every race in the game has at least 2, if not 3 cities to start in. Halflings and Frogloks only have 1: Qeynos.</blockquote>No one likes them because they are so annoying and useless. That's why Qeynos is stuck with them-- perfect fit.

BleemTeam

06-27-2009, 03:49 AM

If you watched the video, then yes, you see The Void influence in Odus.

Deson

06-27-2009, 03:52 AM

<cite>Brailyn@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you watched the video, then yes, you see The Void influence in Odus.</blockquote>Expected based on the ritual but I hope it's not as lame as TSO.

BleemTeam

06-27-2009, 04:03 AM

Well I have a distinct feeling that it is going to be "Odus" but, as I posted the other day.... When and Where I think is going to be the actual fun.With Alan talking about following the exploits of Al'Kabor and Miragul, that makes me think Time Travel.Staking a claim prediction -- We're going back in time to the first void invasion that will lead to the Erudites knowing they have to actually perform the ritual in the first place. Miragul already knowing about it with the Ethernauts and the Orb, etc... It seems to point to a storyline dealing with said events.

Larkverdin

06-27-2009, 04:08 AM

I don't know why, but I had the strangest feeling that we weren't gonna be getting Velious, I think it's because the title didn't match anything really known in Velious. I believe "The Sentinel" will end up being Theer. I think the whole order of rime invasion was less of a distraction, and maybe hinting more towards what has become of Halas? Maybe we'll see the end of the Void storyline with this xpac, and the revealing of Theer? Has there been any word wether or not acess to the Underfoot will be granted in this xpac via the hole? Or just that we'll have access to the hole and have to wait forever to get into the Undefoot like they had to in EQ1?p.s. I see the fate of Erollisi Marr will be revealed....what exactly was the perdicament where we were unknown as to her fate? Did something happen to her in TSO that I'm not aware of?

Coniaric

06-27-2009, 04:59 AM

<cite>Vassir@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't know why, but I had the strangest feeling that we weren't gonna be getting Velious, I think it's because the title didn't match anything really known in Velious. I believe "The Sentinel" will end up being Theer. I think the whole order of rime invasion was less of a distraction, and maybe hinting more towards what has become of Halas? Maybe we'll see the end of the Void storyline with this xpac, and the revealing of Theer? Has there been any word wether or not acess to the Underfoot will be granted in this xpac via the hole? Or just that we'll have access to the hole and have to wait forever to get into the Undefoot like they had to in EQ1?p.s. I see the fate of Erollisi Marr will be revealed....what exactly was the perdicament where we were unknown as to her fate? Did something happen to her in TSO that I'm not aware of?</blockquote>On Erollisi's Day (Valentine's Day event) this year, we learned that Erollisi Marr disappeared from the Planes. Her twin brother, Mithaniel, said he felt as if something was ripped from his chest. We also learned Innoruuk, and his daughter, may be responsible for what happened to Erollisi. It was an unexpected result to what they were planning, but still a satisfying conculsion to them anyhow.So, hopefully we will find exactly what happened to her and, I hope, to bring her back (as a worshipable deity).

Larkverdin

06-27-2009, 05:49 AM

Ah I see. Sorry I'm a fairly new player to EQ2, still leveling up, so I missed that event in Feb, thanks for updating me tho Coniaric. Speaking of new worshipable dieties, which ones do you guys see coming back with Sentinel's Fate? It seems that they've been doing about 2-3 dieties per expansion so far, so which do you want to/forsee coming into play with Odus?

Coniaric

06-27-2009, 05:50 AM

Now that I had seen the video ... I'm not sure. What Void influence is there?All I see is a reused "Grathok" model with different & new texture and such. I'm not surprised if that was the case - reusing previous model for something else. I'll assume the Erudites used that specific rune discussed in another threads to advance themselves in a ritual and that it ended up altering everything on the continent.Though, I can't hear so if there is something said about the Void involvement, I won't know that.On other subject, the zone art and everything ... look interesting. I think I see the Hole, part of a city, and some type of forest terrain. Maybe, just maybe, it'll be different and better than the old Odus.

Illine

06-27-2009, 07:34 AM

<cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>IT'S ABOUT [Removed for Content] TIME!Huzzahs are in order! Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!!!</blockquote>Hopefully they don't screw you over by making Erudin taken over, as they did me.</blockquote>they said halas would be a new "good" city. Have they talked about Erudin?? maybe it will be a dongeon <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Meirril

06-27-2009, 10:55 AM

The Rime stuff had me perty convinced that my origional prediction was wrong. Its actually nice to be proven right.Everything in TSO points to Euradite involvement comming to the forefront. It isn't a suprise that we're going to Odus next.For all the nay sayers that remember EQ1's Odus I'll point out that DoF encompases all of the Desert of Ro from EQ1. that's like part of 2 newbie zones made into an entire expansion. Also the EQ2 version of Fadewyr doesn't include several zones that were in EQ1 but does include Loping Plains which was discussed in EQ's Lore but never made it into the live game. The portion of Odus that you see in EQ1 is only a small corner of what Odus is suppose to be. In land mass terms when they added Stonebrunt Mountains they more than doubled the amount of space that players could access in EQ1 and they didn't touch several areas that are described in Lore.I'd really like to see more Kera history. Especially Va'Shir history. I don't expect there to be any actual Va'Shir around but seeing the old Kera around would be good considering that Kunark has some throwback Froglocks.What I'm really looking forward to is a wrap up of the Void storyline that doesn't involved Velious. When we get to Velious, I want to be able to fully enjoy just Velious. I don't want the stench of the Void or honestly even a pre-existing diety battle to distract me from exploring Velious and its entire story being devoted to itself.Now the expansion after that? I'd love to do a second round of Velious actually! Have half the continent cut off by various natural hazzards. Let the adventurers work with gnomes or dwarves to get rid of the magical influences that create the hazzards. End the quests with "It will take time, but eventually what we've accomplished here will open up this passage for safe travel." Then have the next expansion drop the barriers and let us explore the rest of Velious.Having an entire year to really get to know the giants will do them justice. Then having an entire year to get to explore the Temple of Veshan (or Sleeper's Tomb and what's become of it) would be grand. Also leveling to 100 to face the big dragons after dealing with level 90 giants for a year. That would be a blast.

Rezikai

06-27-2009, 11:39 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, the zones in EQ2 are larger than EQlive, not the other way around.</blockquote>Seriously?!Thats one of the major things that has bugged me since launch of this game, the smallness of the zones compared to EQoA. Our Tunaria zones were pretty big and stacked on each other making each "region' massive, in comparison our Ro was like 10-12 zones each one roughly the size of the Sinking sands. Our Odus zones, weren't "stacked" they just decided each Odus zone would be massive, and they were. It makes me wonder if you guys played in a sand box for zones, or did they just add more zones to "stack" the region to make it bigger?

Noaani

06-27-2009, 11:59 AM

<cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>they said halas would be a new "good" city. Have they talked about Erudin?? maybe it will be a dongeon <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>They said Halas would go live with the same update that has the expansion release. It will be free content added on to that update.To me, that makes it unlikely that Erudin or Paineel will be added as player cities, as adding 2 or 3 new cities at the same time seems a little too much.

Aneova

06-27-2009, 12:28 PM

A Theory on the title Sentinel's Fate, (no i've not finished palace of the ancient one so I don't know what happens when you clear it), we'll find out what happened to theer and why he no longer has his tools.

Cusashorn

06-27-2009, 12:36 PM

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>Now that I had seen the video ... I'm not sure. What Void influence is there?All I see is a reused "Grathok" model with different & new texture and such. I'm not surprised if that was the case - reusing previous model for something else. I'll assume the Erudites used that specific rune discussed in another threads to advance themselves in a ritual and that it ended up altering everything on the continent.Though, I can't hear so if there is something said about the Void involvement, I won't know that.On other subject, the zone art and everything ... look interesting. I think I see the Hole, part of a city, and some type of forest terrain. Maybe, just maybe, it'll be different and better than the old Odus.</blockquote>Finally, someone else who's thinking the same thing I am. Just because the Grathok model is being used... doesn't mean it's actually a Grathok.The Void Walker models are used all over the game, including the emerging from the gate leading to the Shard of Fear.. That doesn't mean they're actually FROM the Void though.

Cusashorn

06-27-2009, 12:36 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>they said halas would be a new "good" city. Have they talked about Erudin?? maybe it will be a dongeon <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>They said Halas would go live with the same update that has the expansion release. It will be free content added on to that update.To me, that makes it unlikely that Erudin or Paineel will be added as player cities, as adding 2 or 3 new cities at the same time seems a little too much.</blockquote>Erudin is a dungeon taken over by Beholder evil eyes.

Trevalon

06-27-2009, 12:47 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, the zones in EQ2 are larger than EQlive, not the other way around.</blockquote>This is an extremely misleading statement.Yes it may be true that in comparison 1 EQ2 zone is larger than 1 EQ1 zone, but EQ2 zones dont just encompass a single EQ1 zone -- They are made up of 2, 3, sometimes 4 or 5 different EQ1 zones.So if you add up the total mass of every EQ1 zone that makes up a single EQ2 zone EQ1 is indeed MUCH larger than EQ2 ever will be.Im a little dissapointed that it is Odus myself. Odus was a pretty meaningless and boring continent on the original EQ with its ONLY saving grace really being Erudin or POSSIBLY Paineel. The hole was actually a pretty boring zone imo.Now it seems like ERudin is going to be a dungeon ala New Tunaria meaning that it will be just as useless.Secondly, I am REALLY hoping they don't use the whole "Time Travel" method as someone else stated. Companies need to realize that Time Travel is a pretty boring and overused method of doing things and generally not very well received by players - just read the EQ1 forums about SoD and the time travel crap that is in that game atm.The only thing "time travel" does is introduce a completely off the wall and odd continuity to a game that essentially gives a very "out of touch" feel -- or at least thats what I get from it everytime.bleh, Odus...

Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 12:52 PM

Why are people still acting like they are going to carbon copy the zones over from EQ1 and say "expansion!", I mean..take Crushbone, Lesser Faydark, Kaladim, Butcherblock, Neriak, and EQ2 in general as far as places that were, and how they are now. Frankly the Hole to me has SO much potential as an exciting zone, especially considering Dartain is still around and so is Ognit, the gnome who opened the Seal.

Trevalon

06-27-2009, 01:07 PM

<cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why are people still acting like they are going to carbon copy the zones over from EQ1 and say "expansion!", I mean..take Crushbone, Lesser Faydark, Kaladim, Butcherblock, Neriak, and EQ2 in general as far as places that were, and how they are now. Frankly the Hole to me has SO much potential as an exciting zone, especially considering Dartain is still around and so is Ognit, the gnome who opened the Seal.</blockquote>Of those zones you listed the only one that MAY be better than EQ1 is Lesser Fay (And that is debatable) and Neriak is about even with EQ1.Butcherblock is a farse compared to EQ1, Kaladim is even worse, and Crushbone (while a fun zone) is nothing compared to EQ1.So forgive me if I have low hopes in them actually making BETTER than EQ1 zones - as I dont think I have seen a Better EQ2 zone than its EQ1 counterpart.

Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 01:25 PM

So you despise every zone in the entire game? I mentioned a handful, as effectively the entire game is just zones from EQ1. Only a few zones break that mold or were zones on the original map fleshed out (ala Loping Plains)Tell me you did not run around Solusek's Eye in Tier 5 on the glass bridges over a massive pool of lava and stare in awe.Plane of Sky had an incredible redesign fostered by a take over by Kunark and Velious dragons.

kittenkabood

06-27-2009, 04:24 PM

99% of EoF zones were an epic fail, im just going to assume Odus will be the same after witnessing the abomination of Moors, I have no idea who made that zone and thought it was a good idea, but I didnt believe they could make something worse then loping plains but by golly they pulled it off.

RaphaNissi

06-27-2009, 04:40 PM

I'm going to guess that Odus isn't going to be quite the same as we remember, maybe not even in the same place. I have been trying to find the quote from who I thought was Ilucide that talked about Odus and eluded to the fact it may not be where we remember it to be. Does anyone else remember that statement? There could be a chance that Ullkorruuk could be involved in this expansion too since this is where Everling came to be a follower of her in the city of Zebuxor. Now that could be a pretty cool zone.

kittenkabood

06-27-2009, 05:11 PM

There is potential for some truely amazing zones but then again there was a ton of potentially awesome things in eq2 that failed miserably by bad design

Trevalon

06-27-2009, 05:52 PM

<cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite><blockquote>So you despise every zone in the entire game? I mentioned a handful, as effectively the entire game is just zones from EQ1. Only a few zones break that mold or were zones on the original map fleshed out (ala Loping Plains)Tell me you did not run around Solusek's Eye in Tier 5 on the glass bridges over a massive pool of lava and stare in awe.Plane of Sky had an incredible redesign fostered by a take over by Kunark and Velious dragons.</blockquote>I neer said I "Despise" every zone in Everquest 2 - Everquest 2 in and of itself is a decent enough game. What I did say is that when COMPARING Everquest 2 to its source material (Everquest 1) Everquest 2 comes up very short imo. Everytime I walk through an EoF zone I am somewhat saddened at what I see around me because its not Everquest, its a sham with the word "Everquest" pasted on the front - with the ONLY saving graces being 1) Kelethin 2) the immediate area OUTSIDE Crushbone and 3) Neriak (If you consider Neriak an EOF city which I do).RoK was the best xpac of EQ2 so far in that they at least drew HEAVILY from EQ1 design and the places at least resembled (In a small way) their EQ1 Counterparts (Especially the dungeons, Karnors was fantastic).So if we see Odus resemble what it was from EQ1 then I will probably be at least marginally happy though Odus was a dead and boring continent in the first place. Unfortunately after looking at those screenshots of whatever city that is (Being a rundown city I must assume its either Paineel, Erudin, or perhaps The Hole - but you could see the sky so im thinking its not the hole) Uhm, I already am worried about the next xpac.So, no I do not "Despise" EQ2 in anyway, I wouldn't be playing if I did -- I just do not like the "artistic license" the producers let the artists take with the EQ1 Source material.

Trevalon

06-27-2009, 05:54 PM

double post

Thadaeus

06-27-2009, 06:39 PM

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm going to guess that Odus isn't going to be quite the same as we remember, maybe not even in the same place. I have been trying to find the quote from who I thought was Ilucide that talked about Odus and eluded to the fact it may not be where we remember it to be. Does anyone else remember that statement? </blockquote> Yes, he made the statement during a Dev chat last year. The following thread references the quote:<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=425619">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=425619</a>

Vanisher123

06-27-2009, 10:49 PM

So do we know anything about how Halas and Odus are connected or for that matter is odus in norrath or are we going to another dimention?

Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 10:51 PM

They may not be necessarily connected. There was a conflict with an unknown party in Halas, but it is being released seperate from the expansion.

Vanisher123

06-27-2009, 10:59 PM

Huh, wonder if its going to be like an adventure pack, or just a one new starter land with city...

Homeskillet

06-27-2009, 11:02 PM

They are no longer making adventure packs since Fallen Dynasty.It will be a content addition much like Neriak was. Neriak and the new race that came with it was entirely free content, along with Shard of Hate.

Gisallo

06-27-2009, 11:55 PM

ITS HALAS! I have been hoping for this since reading Vahlen's post a few years ago about the story of the Halasians the foe the valiantly fought back and how this has shaped the people. When I saw RIme I actually though Halas and not Velious. Barbarians and Ice Giants? Screamed Halas to me. The only question I have is this. Is Rime the enemy? That would be cool though not necessarily a "sure" thing since its Iksar they are attacking and they are "evil" lore wise. Also I would not be surprised if they did a similar thing with Halas as they did with Gorowyn. As much as we may find it annoying, a "good" city with out an evil KOS requirement has its precedent there. As for the city "moving" this is not necessarily true. It could be a city formed by immigration, perhaps even to the remains of Velious. Its clear the Dragons are on the decline on Norrath else we would not have killed the RIng of Scale so it is possible that what remains of Velious was settled by the Halasians when the fled the devesation in Everfrost (pure speculation of course). Remember Lore wise Halas was truly more a city of the heart, so a "New Halas" born of immigration is not out of the question eitherAs for Odus I saw this coming with all the "mysterious" Erudians we have had to deal with getting our shard armor and the like. All I an say is thank you for Halas. My barbarian Zerker will be moving at launch.

Ragnaphore

06-28-2009, 08:57 AM

Where does the Order of Rime fit in all this ?Clearly they're not from Odus (unless we face an army of Erudites enchanters) and I wonder what kind of "good" city Halas will be if the Order is from there.

Cusashorn

06-28-2009, 11:51 AM

<cite>Ragnaphore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where does the Order of Rime fit in all this ?Clearly they're not from Odus (unless we face an army of Erudites enchanters) and I wonder what kind of "good" city Halas will be if the Order is from there.</blockquote>That's the thing about the Order of Rime: The entire questline on Kunark was released right before the fan fair, so most people figured that they *HAVE* to fit into the next expansion. We don't know if they will or not. It's entirely possible that they're just a new questline in Kunark (which is there to stay for good btw. It's not a live event.)

Seidhkona

06-28-2009, 12:09 PM

So, those of you with memories and tomes that stretch back into the ancient days, tell a youngling more about the Shard of Love.When Erollisi was previously among us in Norrath, what was her worship like? How did she bless her faithful?And I *sincerely* hope the art staff also finds Halasians' kilts with the city! <a href="http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/souls/Bonekeeper1.jpg" target="_blank">My household of barbarians misses their kilts</a>, they do!

Meirril

06-29-2009, 12:50 AM

Well, considering that there is no plane of love in EQ1 (not that players could visit) any information we give is suspect.I seem to remember that there should be unicorn in the plane of love. One would imagine somewhat like the plane of valor there will be some natural animals and various people devoted to Erollisi scattered about. Erollisi, for being a popular goddess with the players, was never a dev favorite. The only face time she got pre-pop was as a puppet in Bristlebane's theater. Other than that, she's mentioned a great deal in various Lore and she has a huge number of possible worshipers amongst paladins, clerics and bards. I think humans as a default could choose Erollisi. Strangely, Barbarians could not choose to worship either of the Marr twins...

Gisallo

06-29-2009, 01:53 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ragnaphore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where does the Order of Rime fit in all this ?Clearly they're not from Odus (unless we face an army of Erudites enchanters) and I wonder what kind of "good" city Halas will be if the Order is from there.</blockquote>That's the thing about the Order of Rime: The entire questline on Kunark was released right before the fan fair, so most people figured that they *HAVE* to fit into the next expansion. We don't know if they will or not. It's entirely possible that they're just a new questline in Kunark (which is there to stay for good btw. It's not a live event.)</blockquote>This is all just supposition but here we go. Vahlen said that if Halas returned we would hear about the great battles that had to be fought and how they effected the Halasians. My thought is that there was finally a schism between those Halasians that served the Tribunal and those who served Zek. There was a civil war of sorts which resulted in the Zek faction aligning with fellow Zek worshippers, the Ice Giants. Somehow the "good" Halasians servering the Tribunal were victorious and so the Rime, now exiled from Halas and its attached lands have come to Kunark hoping to find easier conquest.Just a thought.

shadowscale

06-29-2009, 02:26 AM

<cite>Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, those of you with memories and tomes that stretch back into the ancient days, tell a youngling more about the Shard of Love.When Erollisi was previously among us in Norrath, what was her worship like? How did she bless her faithful?And I *sincerely* hope the art staff also finds Halasians' kilts with the city! <a href="http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/souls/Bonekeeper1.jpg" target="_blank">My household of barbarians misses their kilts</a>, they do!</blockquote>i wouldent mind a kilt myself actualy.

Cusashorn

06-29-2009, 03:08 AM

<cite>Valkenberg@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite> </cite>This is all just supposition but here we go. Vahlen said that if Halas returned we would hear about the great battles that had to be fought and how they effected the Halasians. My thought is that there was finally a schism between those Halasians that served the Tribunal and those who served Zek. There was a civil war of sorts which resulted in the Zek faction aligning with fellow Zek worshippers, the Ice Giants. Somehow the "good" Halasians servering the Tribunal were victorious and so the Rime, now exiled from Halas and its attached lands have come to Kunark hoping to find easier conquest.Just a thought.</blockquote>This is actually a pretty good sounding theory, but the warriors who worshiped Rallos Zek didn't do so because he was evil, or they wanted to be evil and domineering. Rallos Zek is the God of War. To ask for his blessing in battle was the least any fighter could do. Even those among the Qeynos Guard have been known to ask for his blessing to see them through the upcomming battle. From a technical standpoint, any warrior in the game except for Iksar, Froglok, and Vah Shir were allowed to worship Rallos Zek. Even the Wood Elves, Dwarves, and Halflings. It wasn't until much later that the developers finally allowed the Barbarians to worship Mithanial Marr like they rightfully should be.. though for all the pre-existing Barbarian players, they were stuck with who they chose at creation.<cite>Sigrdrifa@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, those of you with memories and tomes that stretch back into the ancient days, tell a youngling more about the Shard of Love.When Erollisi was previously among us in Norrath, what was her worship like? How did she bless her faithful?And I *sincerely* hope the art staff also finds Halasians' kilts with the city! <a href="http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/souls/Bonekeeper1.jpg" target="_blank">My household of barbarians misses their kilts</a>, they do!</blockquote>Truth be told, the Plain of Love was never in Everquest. We never saw Erollisi Marr except as a Puppet in the original Plain of Mischief. <a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6761" target="_blank">She was nothing more than a Barbarian Female in a white dress and skirt.</a> And the Mob itself was nothing special in any way. No loot, no quests, no nothing.Sadly, Erollisi was never celebrated like other gods were. It wasn't until Everquest 2 was released that we finally started to celebrate Erollisi Day. It wasn't until only this last February that we finally began to learn what had happened to Erollisi over the last 500 years, and why she hasn't returned yet. We still don't know HOW Innoruuk managed to make her go away. Mithanial Marr himself can't even bring himself to say how or what.The Shard of Love will be any Norrathian's first venture into her domain, even if it's only what's left of her plane.There are tomes of her racial creations of the Valkiries found in Everfrost. In the original creation story of the Frogloks, before they were turned into the Guktans by Mithanial Marr, there is mention of how Erollisi once wandered Norrath in a physical form, still young and unaware of her abilities. She visted the city of Felwithe and was treated as a guest of honor and pampered by the High Elves, who could tell what she was.At the time, Cazic and Terris Thule both conspired to capture Mithanial Marr and torture him until he himself turned evil, or otherwise died. The torment ALMOST got to him, but he split his spirit into two, and sent one half away to Innothule Swamp, where the frogs would evolve into the first frogloks, and eventually kick the Trolls out of thier original home and fortress of Guk.The 2nd half would be placed inside Erollisi herself. As incestuous as it sounds, Erollisi was impregnated by her twin brother, and she literally gave birth to the first Barbarians in the cold northlands of Everfrost. We don't know what she did from there, or where she went.Being a devout follower of Quellious, I have no qualms with finding interest in Erollisi Marr either. When the day comes that she returns to Norrath, in the words of the great Vash The Stampde, I will stand tall and /shout to Norrath over the 80-89 channel: "THIS WORLD IS MADE OF LOVE AND PEACE!!!"

ke'la

06-29-2009, 04:07 AM

Noaani

06-29-2009, 04:14 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ragnaphore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Where does the Order of Rime fit in all this ?Clearly they're not from Odus (unless we face an army of Erudites enchanters) and I wonder what kind of "good" city Halas will be if the Order is from there.</blockquote>That's the thing about the Order of Rime: The entire questline on Kunark was released right before the fan fair, so most people figured that they *HAVE* to fit into the next expansion. We don't know if they will or not. It's entirely possible that they're just a new questline in Kunark (which is there to stay for good btw. It's not a live event.)</blockquote>The Order of Rime is probably going to end up being what the void is to us now. They have said that they just introduced a new antagonist, one that will be around for a while. The order may well still relate to Velious, and we may well deal with them when we get there. That does't in any way mean that we need to go there right now though.

Chulanowa

06-29-2009, 05:32 AM

shadowscale

06-29-2009, 07:05 AM

that was actualy the responce from the developer i talked with. they are kind of scared to get Velious involved till they can make a story that will do it justice. i REALLY hope that dosent involve more dragon slaying.in eq one it was an option to ally with the claws of veeshan. it should be kept that way without infringing on progression to much. would definitly make a good reason to make veeshan worshipalbe.

Mistress_of_Nihility

06-29-2009, 04:46 PM

We aren't getting Halas, we are getting New Halas, as original Halas is at the bottom of the ocean. So throw away all your EQ1/EQOA memories.

Cusashorn

06-29-2009, 04:49 PM

<cite>Mistress_of_Nihility wrote:</cite><blockquote>We aren't getting Halas, we are getting New Halas, as original Halas is at the bottom of the ocean. So throw away all your EQ1/EQOA memories.</blockquote>Actually, it's not. There's no proof to that as the ruins on the bottom of Everfrost doesn't claim or deny that it's of Halas. Besides, if we saw ruins of Halas, I'm sure we'd actually see RUINS of halas, not just some crystals and ghosts.

Mistress_of_Nihility

06-29-2009, 05:16 PM

According to the information we got on Saturday at the Lore Panel, Halas was destroyed, we are not getting that Halas, we are getting New Halas.

shadowscale

06-29-2009, 05:19 PM

yep. the NEW part was stressed prety heavavly. they were even correcting eachother at the panal when one of them just said Halas.

Mordavian

06-29-2009, 07:04 PM

<cite>Mistress_of_Nihility wrote:</cite><blockquote>According to the information we got on Saturday at the Lore Panel, Halas was destroyed, we are not getting that Halas, we are getting New Halas.</blockquote>New Halas would be fine, it would make sense that Barbarians would go resettle in the north. It would not make sense for another race to rebuild a New Halas, why would they? Why even call it Halas?I know it won't happen but I really hope the 'new' Halas is located near Everfrost and Everfrost is redone, I think it's a poorly done zone to say the least and could use a major revamp.

ke'la

06-29-2009, 07:54 PM

<cite>Mistress_of_Nihility wrote:</cite><blockquote>We aren't getting Halas, we are getting New Halas, as original Halas is at the bottom of the ocean. So throw away all your EQ1/EQOA memories.</blockquote>While Old Halas is indead gone, the way it seemed to me was not that it was Sunk, but that someone destroyed it... like maybe the Rime people... or a Baby Ice Dragon... or both...

Rijacki

06-29-2009, 08:34 PM

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote>yep. the NEW part was stressed prety heavavly. they were even correcting eachother at the panal when one of them just said Halas.</blockquote>Brenlo was also correcting Paul (can't remember his forum name.. oddly), the lore guy, on the pronunciation of Halas.HAL-as vs ha-LAS, accent on the first or second syllabel and where the syllabel splits.Brenlo says HAL-as, Paul and a few others say ha-LASBut it is definately NEW Halas (with the old one being completely destroyed).New Halas has no connection to Odus. New Halas will be a FREE addition that will likely be added at the same time as the expansion but not require the expansion to access. It will also be where the new 'trial' accounts will start with newbie quests and all. It will, in otherwords, be like the addition of Neriak (except Neriak did require EoF but wasn't released with EoF).Erudin and Paineel, like Felwithe, will be cities to adventure in but not to live in. Stonebrunt in EQ1 is a lot larger than most people presumed it was. It was one of my fav zones and I spent a lot of time there *chuckle*. The art panel showed off some incredibly cute pandas which will be in Stonebrunt.The Warrens was the place I couldn't remember the name of (nor could others I chatted with, but we all remembered IT, just not the name *laugh*).

Meirril

06-29-2009, 08:51 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mistress_of_Nihility wrote:</cite><blockquote>We aren't getting Halas, we are getting New Halas, as original Halas is at the bottom of the ocean. So throw away all your EQ1/EQOA memories.</blockquote>Actually, it's not. There's no proof to that as the ruins on the bottom of Everfrost doesn't claim or deny that it's of Halas. Besides, if we saw ruins of Halas, I'm sure we'd actually see RUINS of halas, not just some crystals and ghosts.</blockquote>Ok, there is a quest to find the remains of the ferry that takes you to Halas in Everfrost that leads you to the area near the ghosts. During the rending or shattering its possible that Halas was driven underwater. Every indication of the city being introduced says it isn't the origional Halas. What that means exactly hasn't been explicidly made clear but its reasonable to presume it doesn't include the origional location of Halas and possibly not all the origional inhabitants.Now you could be correct and it could be the origional city with new inhabitants but I find it far more likely that the inhabitants of Halas moved and founded a new city.As for the Rime connection, I like the idea of Halas having a schism and the Rime being the enemy of New Halas. The ice giants being able to use what remains of the Rathe Curse to enslave other races seems like a brillant plot.

Lodrelhai

06-29-2009, 10:53 PM

We were told that of the currently-known lands, New Halas is closest to Everfrost. Whether it's actually closer to some other continent we haven't discovered yet, I don't know. And the devs said they hadn't decided what races will start there yet, except Barbarians of course.Oh, and while we are going to the Shard of Love, Erollisi will not be a new diety. Not yet at least - there's no new dieties on the docket for or before the next expansion.

Zabjade

06-29-2009, 11:23 PM

I think Halas needs a Contengent of PC Pandas because ti would be Evil to WoW Players!Now we just have to get SOE to give EQ2 the Money to ADVERTIZE it !!!!! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" />

kyrr

06-30-2009, 10:08 AM

Panda Mount/win

Anestacia

06-30-2009, 12:57 PM

<cite>Mordavian wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mistress_of_Nihility wrote:</cite><blockquote>According to the information we got on Saturday at the Lore Panel, Halas was destroyed, we are not getting that Halas, we are getting New Halas.</blockquote>New Halas would be fine, it would make sense that Barbarians would go resettle in the north. It would not make sense for another race to rebuild a New Halas, why would they? Why even call it Halas?I know it won't happen but I really hope the 'new' Halas is located near Everfrost and Everfrost is redone, I think it's a poorly done zone to say the least and could use a major revamp.</blockquote>I doubt seriously they will redo Everfrost again. They just revamped it less than a year ago and yes, prior to that , it was a joke of a zone taht no one went to any more but now its probably the best zone to level in at the apropriate range. This is just a guess, but I'm sure "Frost Fang" will incorprate "New Halas" as well as a newbie area that will take you into your 20s. The fact that we know they are revamping Thundering Steppes, I'm sure there will be transport from Halas to there so that you may continue your leveling.

Zykdous

06-30-2009, 01:00 PM

With the return of Odus, I would like to see Miragul's Highway finally finished <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Cusashorn

06-30-2009, 01:19 PM

<cite>Zykdous wrote:</cite><blockquote>With the return of Odus, I would like to see Miragul's Highway finally finished <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>"Miragul's Highway" was the name of the teleporter stones found in the underwater room in Timorous Deep, if I remember right. Doesn't really have anything to do with Odus other than having a 1-way portal that took you to Erudin or Paineel.

Zykdous

06-30-2009, 02:06 PM

Miragul's Highway was the original idea for a fast travel system. You can see blocked off sections in the old EQ1 cities that were planned enterances for this place.Why I bring it up with the release of Odus is because Odus is the home of Erudites. Mirgaul was an Erudite. An Erudite expansion would have things to do with Erudites.

Trevalon

06-30-2009, 02:34 PM

The whole idea of "NEW" Halas sounds about as dumb and stupid as Odus being the new xpac...Your Faith in the EQ2 Dev Team Has Dropped! (-1)

ke'la

06-30-2009, 02:48 PM

<cite>Zykdous wrote:</cite><blockquote>Miragul's Highway was the original idea for a fast travel system. You can see blocked off sections in the old EQ1 cities that were planned enterances for this place.Why I bring it up with the release of Odus is because Odus is the home of Erudites. Mirgaul was an Erudite. An Erudite expansion would have things to do with Erudites.</blockquote>Except in the panels the one of the devs said that the Expainsion has nothing to do with Mirgaul...this was in responce to Brenlo's mention of him at the Community Adress.

Cronyn

06-30-2009, 03:14 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote>yep. the NEW part was stressed prety heavavly. they were even correcting eachother at the panal when one of them just said Halas.</blockquote>Brenlo was also correcting Paul (can't remember his forum name.. oddly), the lore guy, on the pronunciation of Halas.HAL-as vs ha-LAS, accent on the first or second syllabel and where the syllabel splits.Brenlo says HAL-as, Paul and a few others say ha-LASBut it is definately NEW Halas (with the old one being completely destroyed).New Halas has no connection to Odus. New Halas will be a FREE addition that will likely be added at the same time as the expansion but not require the expansion to access. It will also be where the new 'trial' accounts will start with newbie quests and all. It will, in otherwords, be like the addition of Neriak (except Neriak did require EoF but wasn't released with EoF).Erudin and Paineel, like Felwithe, will be cities to adventure in but not to live in. Stonebrunt in EQ1 is a lot larger than most people presumed it was. It was one of my fav zones and I spent a lot of time there *chuckle*. The art panel showed off some incredibly cute pandas which will be in Stonebrunt.The Warrens was the place I couldn't remember the name of (nor could others I chatted with, but we all remembered IT, just not the name *laugh*).</blockquote>*sigh* I hate it when that happens.I initially corrected HIM when we were back here, and I heard ha-LAS so many times that it stuck, and I couldn't shake it out of my brain. Look! I'm old -- synapses are firing slower nowadays.Yes, it is HAL-as. Marr, please forgive me. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Wilde_Night

06-30-2009, 04:15 PM

Yay LORE!!! <hugs to the Lore team>

ke'la

06-30-2009, 05:05 PM

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote> It will, in otherwords, be like the addition of Neriak (except Neriak did require EoF but wasn't released with EoF).</blockquote>Accually only being an Emo-Fae required having EoF, if you wanted to be a DE or any other allowed race from Neriak you could be without having to buy EoF.

InfernalShadow

06-30-2009, 06:19 PM

That's funny, my Arasai is named Emofae.Also, why would pandas make WoW players mad? BTW, as ugly as the game is, not all WoW players are bad.

Homeskillet

06-30-2009, 06:59 PM

<cite>Trevalon wrote:</cite><blockquote>The whole idea of "NEW" Halas sounds about as dumb and stupid as Odus being the new xpac...Your Faith in the EQ2 Dev Team Has Dropped! (-1)</blockquote>Sort of like New Yorkor New Jersey, or New England, or New Mexico. It's a naming convention, get over yourself.

Zykdous

06-30-2009, 07:16 PM

New Tanaan!

Zabjade

07-01-2009, 05:25 AM

I think Odus is fine for the next Expansion I would rather Velious be a T10 Expansion then a T9.

Meirril

07-01-2009, 06:55 AM

<cite>InfernalShadow wrote:</cite><blockquote>That's funny, my Arasai is named Emofae.Also, why would pandas make WoW players mad? BTW, as ugly as the game is, not all WoW players are bad.</blockquote>In WoW lore they have a race called Pandarans, or something like that. They are bipedal (you guessed it) pandas. WoW players have been begging for those as a playable race for a few years now.Having it show up in EQ2 would just be hilarious. Its a totally out of left field thing though. The Velious "grizzlies" that were reskinned to be pandas were...feral. Other than walking on their hind feet and apparently subsisting on a diety made entirely of adventurers they didn't seem to have any culture or tools. They did have high quality panda hides though...I'm wondering if the Kobolds of the Warrens will still wield Katanas and wear laminated wicker armor? And I'm wondering if the Megawhump has become a Mecawhump after all these centries? It could of been a Leviathan tadpole!

Levatino

07-01-2009, 09:51 AM

Also heared there will be ratonga lore as well. Glad too, my old benched ratonga Sk can then return to get his true place in EQ2 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and hear about his ancestors

betatester7

07-02-2009, 01:47 AM

Also like New Tunaria or New Felwithe, I think one high elf lives in that place, with one high elf as population and at the same time is the king of new felwithe, in some lost place in norrath, I think he also wants to recover the original felwithe, but who knows!/wink

Zabjade

07-02-2009, 05:14 AM

<cite>InfernalShadow wrote:</cite><blockquote>That's funny, my Arasai is named Emofae.Also, why would pandas make WoW players mad? BTW, as ugly as the game is, not all WoW players are bad.</blockquote>April fools day prank by Blizzard a couple of years back a panda Player race/class was touted.

DrkVsr

07-03-2009, 12:12 PM

If Odus is returning, does that mean eventually we might get to see Prexus as a selectable god? Mah Erudite Pally would be happy if he does (she is will be mah last character to get her 'lore' god after mah temp gets Roddy and mah arasai gets Anna)Ah've always pronounced Halas as HAL-as (or maybe even HAL-lass) even back playing EQ1. Anyone who believed Halas could have survived in any form is seriously deluded: about 80% of the place was made from ice with only a couple buildings made from stone and the shaman hall built undergroundIf New Halas is not located somewhere in Everfrost, it is more likely to be near or on Taelosia (but that island is anathema to a lot of people for some reason so would be low on the list but higher) than Odus, unless Odus had a serious techtonic(sp) shift north, and even then it's not too likely Barbies would want to set up home near their degenerate off-springThere is a good chance that New Paineel (the home of the evil Erudites) has either fallen into The Hole (the location of old Paineel) and totally destroyed, or the creatures from The Hole climbed out and overran NP (ah'm leaning for the destruction). Ah actually liked NP in EQ1, was a fun place, once you got the hang of portals

Mirander_1

07-03-2009, 01:19 PM

<cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite><blockquote>If Odus is returning, does that mean eventually we might get to see Prexus as a selectable god? Mah Erudite Pally would be happy if he does (she is will be mah last character to get her 'lore' god after mah temp gets Roddy and mah arasai gets Anna)If New Halas is not located somewhere in Everfrost, it is more likely to be near or on Taelosia (but that island is anathema to a lot of people for some reason so would be low on the list but higher) than Odus, unless Odus had a serious techtonic(sp) shift north, and even then it's not too likely Barbies would want to set up home near their degenerate off-spring</blockquote>No new gods with Sentinel's Fate, evidently, although that doesn't exclude the possibility of new deities in Live Updates.New Halas is supposed to be closest to Everfrost, but not actually part of it.

Vanisher123

07-03-2009, 01:50 PM

Also remembers Halas is a GU with th expansion, not part of it (kinda like neriak) so it doesn't need to be near it.Im wondering, what are these?<a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/exp06/ffpreview/exp_06_2.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...ew/exp_06_2.jpg</a>The tube guys don't look like any shadowbeast we've seen, yet those flying things with the plates look like the tinmizer things from various void locations

Illine

07-03-2009, 02:00 PM

a bit like gorowyn and kunark I guess

Rashaak

07-03-2009, 04:52 PM

<cite>Vanisher123 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also remembers Halas is a GU with th expansion, not part of it (kinda like neriak) so it doesn't need to be near it.Im wondering, what are these?<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/articles/exp06/ffpreview/exp_06_2.jpg" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...ew/exp_06_2.jpg</a>The tube guys don't look like any shadowbeast we've seen, yet those flying things with the plates look like the tinmizer things from various void locations</blockquote>Who says we've seen all the types of void creatures though? I'd say it may be that the Erudites were trying to find a way to remove the shadowmen that would take over a person/thing.Or they were trying to extract a creatures Magical Essence so they could further they conquest for Magical Nirvana? /shrug

Vanisher123

07-03-2009, 06:48 PM

<cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote>Who says we've seen all the types of void creatures though? I'd say it may be that the Erudites were trying to find a way to remove the shadowmen that would take over a person/thing.Or they were trying to extract a creatures Magical Essence so they could further they conquest for Magical Nirvana? /shrug</blockquote>True, just today someone pointed out to me that when you kill those flying blade tinmizer type things a larvae/leech falls out of the shattered glass head and runs away (also tested this by killing some) With the presences of the "flying blades"-like guys in the image, perhaps the tubes are the fully grown version of these larvae?

Homeskillet

07-03-2009, 09:08 PM

That may not even be Erudin or Paineel, but Lord Yael's workings in the Hole. Also, Dartain of the Dark Truth is visting Neriak during the Necro epic and can be found in the library there. What is Dartain doing back on Odus? Does he still reside within the Hole? Is he doing something with the elementals there?

McBenzos

07-05-2009, 02:52 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote> the whole continent could be put in a [Removed for Content] LU.</blockquote>ErudinErud's Crossing - Will be an exploration event, not a zonePaineel - We'll be lucky to have this instanced off in sections, rather than one big contested dungeon; since everyone would cry about contested dungeons.Toxxulia Forest The WarrensThe Hole - Best potential but we all know it will be the biggest let down. The only way it will come anywhere near close to sufficing is if it's 2x as big as Soluesk's Eye. Hahaha, like that would happen.Stonebrundt Mountains - Bolded = Combined into the main zone, one zone. About the size of Moors, giving no personality to any one of these old zones, and making them drastically smaller than they should be.Kerra Isle - Will literally be a small island probably in the main land.The Vasty Deep - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event.The Barren Coast - Again, an exploration event off the main land.The Grand Plateau. - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event.All of those zones can be patched in a Live Update, huh?Catch the trend? - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event. - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event.- Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event. - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event. - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event. - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event. - Won't see it, or it will be an exploration event.</blockquote>Somebody hasn't noticed the trend in # of zones for the past few expansions..As little as possible to get away with selling what they call "an expansion". What we get is $20 wasted dollars, since I would actually pay $20 for the content they end up releasing WITH the purchase, not what's available 6+ months after. What we also get is numerous headaches as the devs decided to yet again, change the game to fit the expansion. Rather than what they should have been doing ALL along, fit the new content to work WITH the mechanics of the game. Not change and edit the mechanics and inner workings of the game to fit the new content, herego the extreme laziness that is surely to ensue.

Cusashorn

07-05-2009, 06:13 AM

You know, Technically, he is correct. All of Odus *WILL* be patched in a live update.I mean, Faydwere, Kunark, TSO, and the other expansions were all patched as Live Updates. Since a Live Update will happen when the expansion goes live, all of Odus will be patched in a live update..... Still want to argue with me about the size of the content that will be included?

Mary the Prophetess

07-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Odus was never my favorite place in EQ Live. It was always the red-headed stepchild of the old world. It never received the attention from the developers that it needed.However, I have more faith in the EQ2 development team than many here seem to have. Although the Moors just doesn't have the 'feel' of old Innothule, it does have enough. I am not disappointed in the size, just the feel.I think Odus will be more than enough to warrant an expansion. I do hope they put some of the old Odus into it though. I know that we are all in their NEW WORLD now, but not EVERYTHING needs a radical new look, just because they are trying to sever themselves from EQ Live.

Vanisher123

07-06-2009, 12:57 AM

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote> I know that we are all in their NEW WORLD now, but not EVERYTHING needs a radical new look, just because they are trying to sever themselves from EQ Live.</blockquote>I'm still waiting for the day they have an expansion of something truely new to eq2, not some re-imagined eq1 zone, but something newly discovered in eq2. Stuff from eq1 in fun (though slightly annoying as I had limited eq1 play and have no idea whats going on), but something that defines eq2 would be nice.

Barx

07-06-2009, 05:29 PM

<cite>Vanisher123 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote> I know that we are all in their NEW WORLD now, but not EVERYTHING needs a radical new look, just because they are trying to sever themselves from EQ Live.</blockquote>I'm still waiting for the day they have an expansion of something truely new to eq2, not some re-imagined eq1 zone, but something newly discovered in eq2. Stuff from eq1 in fun (though slightly annoying as I had limited eq1 play and have no idea whats going on), but something that defines eq2 would be nice.</blockquote>Of course, the Overrealm completely existed in EQ1. It was right above the burned woods, you just had to find it... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Personally, I like what they've done so far -- they've used a lot of EQ1 root lore but they've taken it in their own direction, not merely remade all the EQ1 zones in a new engine. You're basically constrained to a single planet (what with Luclin blown up, Drinal not looking very habitable at all, and the Planes mostly closed off) so you have to be careful how much stuff you just go out and add. That and the basic premise of EQ2 is it is a post-shattering version of the Pre-PoP EQ1 world (I say pre because of the PoTime rollback that caused the timeline split).Back to the topic at hand, I'm quite happy to get Odus. I always thought it was an underappreciated continent in EQ1, hopefully this will let folks see it in a much better light.

Ahlana

07-12-2009, 08:25 AM

<cite>Lord_Ebon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vanisher123 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote> I know that we are all in their NEW WORLD now, but not EVERYTHING needs a radical new look, just because they are trying to sever themselves from EQ Live.</blockquote>I'm still waiting for the day they have an expansion of something truely new to eq2, not some re-imagined eq1 zone, but something newly discovered in eq2. Stuff from eq1 in fun (though slightly annoying as I had limited eq1 play and have no idea whats going on), but something that defines eq2 would be nice.</blockquote>Of course, the Overrealm completely existed in EQ1. It was right above the burned woods, you just had to find it... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Wasn't it? I thought the Overrealm represented the Plane of Sky (not Air which was in PoP). PoS wasn't really a plane persay it was floating isles above Freeport area. You ported up to it but when you jumped off the islands you landed in the waters outside Freeport.

Cusashorn

07-12-2009, 02:18 PM

<cite>Ahlana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lord_Ebon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vanisher123 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote> I know that we are all in their NEW WORLD now, but not EVERYTHING needs a radical new look, just because they are trying to sever themselves from EQ Live.</blockquote>I'm still waiting for the day they have an expansion of something truely new to eq2, not some re-imagined eq1 zone, but something newly discovered in eq2. Stuff from eq1 in fun (though slightly annoying as I had limited eq1 play and have no idea whats going on), but something that defines eq2 would be nice.</blockquote>Of course, the Overrealm completely existed in EQ1. It was right above the burned woods, you just had to find it... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></blockquote>Wasn't it? I thought the Overrealm represented the Plane of Sky (not Air which was in PoP). PoS wasn't really a plane persay it was floating isles above Freeport area. You ported up to it but when you jumped off the islands you landed in the waters outside Freeport.</blockquote>You missed the joke about the Burned Woods there. The Plane of Sky wasn't literally located over Freeport. It just chose to dump you into the water there when you left.