Dialogue and Lore from Kurns Tower (Spoiler Warning)

[Dreyco]

<p>SPOILER WARNING:  END BOSS DIALOGUE BEING DIVULGED HERE.  IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT YOURSELF, CLOSE THE WINDOW NOW!  YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED... and stuff.</p><p>I screenshotted the dialogue from the NPC that spawns after killing the last named.  Here it is!  Discussion time.</p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/Dreyco/KurnsTowerLore.jpg" /></p><p>Kurn and the void are tied together?  He's been enslaved to this guy for centuries?  Orly...</p>

[Dreyco]

<p>Here's Kurn's Lore.  Somewhat odd.  I see no tie to the void.</p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;"><em>Transcribed from lost texts of the Old Empire recently recovered from the library Myrist...</em>During the height of the Iksarian Empire of Old, Kurn was one of Venril Sathir's most loyal subjects. Obsessed with torture, Kurn was the perfect choice for an imperial executioner and interrogator. Not wishing to fill the walls of Sebilis with the screams and tortured cries of their enemies, Venril ordered the construction of a great tower beyond the city walls where Kurn could perform his grim duties. For decades, Kurn perfected his art on the most hated foes of the Iksarian Empires, with many individual cases lasting years.Kurn's obsessive nature led to the tower's downfall. One evening, while engaged in the torment of his most prized subject, another prisoner escaped and descended into the nethermost depths of the dungeon, which Kurn had been using as a storage place for several obsolete and failed torture devices. From there, the prisoner managed to dig a tunnel, escaping the confines of the nightmarish tower. Unfortunately, the route the prisoner carved opened up a portal for the Burynai race.Enraged at their discovery, the Burynai invaded the tower through the prisoner's tunnel, vowing to destroy the threat they deemed the tower of torture posed to their culture. Within days, the tower was overrun by Burynai necromancers and shamans. Kurn was captured, his execution only stopped when the tribalk elder became fascinated with the discovery of his torture infrastructure.. The tribal elder ordered the tower sealed and guarded, assuring that any who dared to enter the domain would be swift to die.His own torture devices used against him, Kurn was subject to the Burynai's experiments. Eventually, over a year later, the Iksar would finally perish, only to be ressurected as an undead servant by the disappointed Burynai elder. To this day, the undead remnants of Kurn lurk in the innermost depths of his dungeon, existing only with the savage will to torment any that enter the confines of his chamber. </span></p>

[Kander]

<p>Or perhaps this is what they wanted you to believe...</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>lets look at it this way. we know that the void has had a presence on Norrath for a LONG time. back through EQ1 with the shadowedmen...we know Munzok has been here before and the Order of Flame pushed him back. we know in EQ1 we got to run through Kurn's tower...but if I recall correctly certain floors were closed off/collapsed.</p><p>for all we know, Munzok and Ione have been here the whole time, abiding by the plans of Anashti or Theer, hidden behind the veil that only just recently Najena was able to strip away through her research into the Theer rune. I mean the force of it was more then enough to catch Theer's direct attention in the Void, and i think they do mention that the covering was also peeled back from the Tower.</p><p>Kurn may well been her toy, Ione occupying the 'collapsed' levels of the Tower that the void has been chipping away at...and who knows what exactly went on in the Tower beforehand, other then the stories of torture and torment. the void itself is known to have destructive and corruptive influence...perhaps Kurn sught it out with the idea to use it's powers to aid the torture of those inside.</p><p>what I find interesting on her is her title. the lifebringer. that could imply her job is to capture new slaves/servants/races to be intergrated into the void..or maybe her powers are necromantic and she raises defeated/dead void creatures to fight again.</p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

*Insert Standard EQ vs EQII post PoP disclaimer here* Just wanted to point out that Kurn's Tower, the original one back during the War of the Scale, as EQLive adventurers discovered in Seeds, was the hub of the Discordian invasion in that time period. So it could be that the fabric of reality/space-time/whatever may be particularly weak around that Tower in general. And with respect to Kurn, the dialog quote above sounds like it could fit in unchanged with the Discordian plans in general back when we fought them. Anyways, *repeat standard 'different games, different timelines' disclaimer*. I just wanted to point out how similar it was.

[Dreyco]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Or perhaps this is what they wanted you to believe...</p></blockquote><p>Gah!  One dev teasing to another!  /scold! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /> *Laughs*</p>

[Dreyco]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>lets look at it this way. we know that the void has had a presence on Norrath for a LONG time. back through EQ1 with the shadowedmen...we know Munzok has been here before and the Order of Flame pushed him back. we know in EQ1 we got to run through Kurn's tower...but if I recall correctly certain floors were closed off/collapsed.</p><p>for all we know, Munzok and Ione have been here the whole time, abiding by the plans of Anashti or Theer, hidden behind the veil that only just recently Najena was able to strip away through her research into the Theer rune. I mean the force of it was more then enough to catch Theer's direct attention in the Void, and i think they do mention that the covering was also peeled back from the Tower.</p><p>Kurn may well been her toy, Ione occupying the 'collapsed' levels of the Tower that the void has been chipping away at...and who knows what exactly went on in the Tower beforehand, other then the stories of torture and torment. the void itself is known to have destructive and corruptive influence...perhaps Kurn sught it out with the idea to use it's powers to aid the torture of those inside.</p><p>what I find interesting on her is her title. the lifebringer. that could imply her job is to capture new slaves/servants/races to be intergrated into the void..or maybe her powers are necromantic and she raises defeated/dead void creatures to fight again.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah.  It's a lot of questions left unanswered.  There had to have been a reason for the void to have built a presence there to begin with from the start.  Perhaps it's been there all along.  I'm not sure.</p><p>Lots of speculation.  But then again, we don't have a lot more to draw from right now, do we *Chuckles*.</p>

[kittenkabood]

<p>it sucks to see eq2 devs completely ignore lore and just cover it up and say "thats what they wanted you to believe"</p><p>weak cop out</p><p>/sigh</p>

[Dreyco]

<p><cite>kittenkaboodle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>it sucks to see eq2 devs completely ignore lore and just cover it up and say "thats what they wanted you to believe"</p><p>weak cop out</p><p>/sigh</p></blockquote><p>I more took it as perhaps the lifebringer wants us to believe that, but take it as you will.</p><p>There are ways to tie in the void to the existing lore as was put in my second post above.  For all we know he used the void to torture people.  For all we know Kurn was an age old warlock who drew void energies for his magic.</p><p>Such things are currently a mystery.</p>

[kittenkabood]

<p>I see it as taking beloved stories and zones and twisting them into the terrible crap we have been dealing with lately.</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p>The Void story as a whole is quickly becoming Gates of Discord v2.0.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "When a subordinate, like you, does something without direct orders, they are lucky if their superior does not remove their head. It doesn't matter how useful one may have been."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "I can imagine."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "Such swift action demands nothing less than unquestioning loyalty from those that survive, and the strength of the Order is ensured. Which is exactly why you have been summoned before me today."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "I.. I don't know what..."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "DROP THE CHERADE! I AM NO FOOL! I have known of your multiple alliances since you first set boot within my camp. Yes, even through your little disguise. Do you think this is the first time someone has attempted to infiltrate my forces?! I allowed you to remain solely due to your usefullness."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "You've been using me?"</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "That is what an army is for! Only fools fail to comprehend this. You are above that, just as you are above the gruntwork you have been performing."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "Yes, sir."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "Grand Restorer Lingwal has taught me that if the action was a success then not all is lost. It shows initiative and decision making. It may prove the subordinate as dauntless, quick-witted, resourceful, or cunning. These are useful traits, but traits that must be tempered with discipline."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "Sir, what has this got to do..."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "With you?! You have been inside the cursed tower. You found a way in while my pitiful men were still drawing up plans and procedures. Tell me what you have found within the walls of this great monument of might!"</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "The burynai that had gone in first were all dead and everything, including the undead, is now void-touched."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "The Void? </span><span style="font-size: xx-large;"><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">History is attempting to repeat itself once more.</span></strong></span><span style="color: #ff0000;"> What are they doing in that tower? Were they carrying any treasures that you saw?</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "There was only one holding anything. A glowing orb."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "What happened to this void being? And you will definitely want to be accurate in your account."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "She taunted us and retreated behind the barrier between the lower and upper floors of the tower."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "With the glowing orb in hand?"</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "Yes."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "The item of rodent myth, no doubt. So it has come to this. You have been saved. You've proven yourself worthy of recognition and additional orders."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "Thank you"</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "You will enter the tower with a group of adventurers. Do what it takes to defeat this void being with the glowing orb and then you will bring it to me. You are dismissed."</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "I will not disappoint you."</span></p><p>I enlarged what I felt was the most important piece of that dialogue. History is attempting to repeat itself once more. Even I do not know what this could be refering to with clarity. Could this orb be the Scryona Orb that Asharae carried around with her along with the other Ethernauts? I am not powerful enough to complete the ethernaut storyline in TSO, so I don't know what actually happens at the end. I was given a quest to infiltrate the X2 version of Kurn's Tower, and that is where the Order of Rime storyline leaves off for now...</p>

[kittenkabood]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span style="color: #3366ff;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "With the glowing orb in hand?"</span></p><p><span style="color: #3366ff;">You say to Kraytoc Killingfist: "Yes."</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Kraytoc Killingfist says to you: "The item of rodent myth, no doubt. So it has come to this. You have been saved. You've proven yourself worthy of recognition and additional orders."</span></p></blockquote><p>The item of rodent myth? Doesnt sound like the orb asharae has, sounds like something dealing with ratonga and their lil god that lives in the underworld, the story that has been building up for quite awhile now.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>They refer to the Burynai as rodents, and that bard he keeps locked up often tells the burynai tale of what Kraytoc is talking about.</p>

[kittenkabood]

<p>What about the heart of ro fragment that was talked about in some of the new lore that the burynai had? Rehashing the asharae orb would be a pretty ridiculously stupid storyline.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>That is what I'm talking about. It's a burynai legend as told by an iksar bard. What the Burynai were handeling may have very well been Asharae's orb from ancient times ago.</p>

[kittenkabood]

<p>A piece of the sun and asharae void owning orb being one of the same doesnt make much sense though <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>kittenkaboodle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A piece of the sun and asharae void owning orb being one of the same doesnt make much sense though <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>One is an ancient Burynai legend of which no accuracy is known, and the other is a historically recorded observation. If the orb glows, then it's not impossible for them to be connected.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>in the TSO end, you learn the Scryona was destroyed. that part I think is in the text from Bayle.they had Asharae basically overload it and used it as a bomb to blow up one of the major links in the void. Asharae states that when you go to face Varsoon that the she has lost everything, including the scryona, all she had left to give was her life.</p><p>I imagine that the 'rodent legend' the item is somethign potent, but not what they thought it was. they thugh they found the 'burrow of the sun' they probably found some other arcane artifact...that now Ione has.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>So it was destroyed? Ok then. I didn't know if it was or not, since I won't be able to even enter into Palace until I reach level 90.</p>

[LordPazuzu]

<p><cite>Kander wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Or perhaps this is what they wanted you to believe...</p></blockquote><p>I smell a retcon.</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>well you can take it two ways...the first is that yeah, retcon Kurn's lore in light fo new 'unrevealed' information or that Ione wanted us to beleive that so we wouldn't chase after her. you know the usual 'this is how badass I am, but I'll be nice and let you leave' type thing while they are eagerly looking for a way out.</p>

[ariasta]

<p><span>Cusashorn how did u get a quest for the x2?  ive gotten 50k rime faction, did the </span><span>Burynai quests for the group kurns, did the rime quest for the atheneum where u get peices of solus but no quest for the x2 for me. and isnt thier leaders name killingfrost not fist</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>ariastama wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><span>Cusashorn how did u get a quest for the x2?  ive gotten 50k rime faction, did the </span><span>Burynai quests for the group kurns, did the rime quest for the atheneum where u get peices of solus but no quest for the x2 for me. and isnt thier leaders name killingfrost not fist</span></p></blockquote><p>The spelling error was an oversight. I just copy and pasted so I didn't have to keep typing it over and over.</p><p>As for the X2... well.. How did you get to JW? If you reread the quest dialogue I posted above, you should be able to see it right away.</p>

[ariasta]

<p>around when u hit the point where the illusion doesnt work anymore a person on The Sheet sends you to the JW camp for quest there. once u hit either 30 or 40k i forget which you get the quest for EA.  noone ever gives me a quest to go see killingfrost.  might have missed something somewhere along the line, but who knows really cause these rime quests have been buggy for some people</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Truth is, you're suppose to have the illusion for the whole darn thing. I only had to faction up a little bit before Rentiri gave me the first of his quests under the illusion. When I hit 25K with the illusion on, he gave me the quest to go to JW. I finally factioned up high enough that the illusion no longer worked when I did a couple quests in JW.</p><p>....And you have to have the illusion on to get the x2 quest. Well, you have to have entered the group version of Kurn's Tower as well. I went in there and was instantly flagged. Didn't have to complete it and got the quest anyway.</p>

[bluefish]

<p><cite>kittenkaboodle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>it sucks to see eq2 devs completely ignore lore and just cover it up and say "thats what they wanted you to believe"</p><p>weak cop out</p><p>/sigh</p></blockquote><p>HUGE misquote .. they never said "that's what they wanted you to believe" he merely just suggested it .. HUGE HUGE difference</p>

[ariasta]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Truth is, you're suppose to have the illusion for the whole darn thing. I only had to faction up a little bit before Rentiri gave me the first of his quests under the illusion. When I hit 25K with the illusion on, he gave me the quest to go to JW. I finally factioned up high enough that the illusion no longer worked when I did a couple quests in JW.</p><p>....And you have to have the illusion on to get the x2 quest. Well, you have to have entered the group version of Kurn's Tower as well. I went in there and was instantly flagged. Didn't have to complete it and got the quest anyway.</p></blockquote><p>yep thats what it was even tho im at 50k still needed to have he illusion on. which i think is odd but what ever.  thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>ariastama wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Truth is, you're suppose to have the illusion for the whole darn thing. I only had to faction up a little bit before Rentiri gave me the first of his quests under the illusion. When I hit 25K with the illusion on, he gave me the quest to go to JW. I finally factioned up high enough that the illusion no longer worked when I did a couple quests in JW.</p><p>....And you have to have the illusion on to get the x2 quest. Well, you have to have entered the group version of Kurn's Tower as well. I went in there and was instantly flagged. Didn't have to complete it and got the quest anyway.</p></blockquote><p>yep thats what it was even tho im at 50k still needed to have he illusion on. which i think is odd but what ever.  thanks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>I think it was brilliant. If you read teh completed quest journal, it even says how you fooled him with your illusion.</p>

[KniteShayd]

<p>I thought the Scryona was taken by Miragul.</p><p>From the description, The Scryona glowed orange, right? Orange glow = orange sun?</p><p>It would make sense if a Void being had it and was tauntning, like, "Haha! I got your portal-closer! Catch me if you can!..."</p>

[Coniaric]

<p><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I thought the Scryona was taken by Miragul.</p><p>From the description, The Scryona glowed orange, right? Orange glow = orange sun?</p><p>It would make sense if a Void being had it and was tauntning, like, "Haha! I got your portal-closer! Catch me if you can!..."</p></blockquote><p>No, Miragul took the Staff of Theer from the Ethernauts and fled back to Norrath.</p><p>If it was the Scryona, then it wasn't destroyed after Asharae overloaded it. Then again, it may be something else.</p>