Greenmist and Cazic-Thule

[Larkverdin]

<p>So obviously, in case you guys can't tell, I'm obsessed about iksar lore and pretty much anything surrounding them. One thing that's been plaguing me for a while, I have seen multiple references to the Greenmist that's saved the iksars on at least 3 occasions that I can think of. Now during these readings, I've never seen Cazic referenced specifically for causing it. During the last Greenmist event with the 2nd Rallosian army attacking Freeport, I believe the Greenmist was given a voice, or that there was a voice speaking within it. I think I remember reading something about this mist saying it was originated within the Temple of Cazic-Thule and it was attacking the army not to save the iksars per say, but more to kill them for sacing the temple on their way to Freeport.</p><p>Anyway, pretty much that whole paragraph boils down to this, has anyone ever seen or read anything that says Cazic-Thule is specifically responsible for the Greenmist that the iksars claim comes to them in their time of need as the will of Cazic?</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>Cazic Thule himself commands the Greenmist.</p><p>Run <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/The_Name_of_Fear" target="_blank">The Name of Fear</a> heritage quest, and it explains a lot about Cazic Thule's role in Iksar society and his role with the Greenmist. Basically (IIRC) it's Cazic Thule himself that tells you he <em>will </em>use the Greenmist on the Iksar for their treachery in worshipping a false god.</p>

[Dreyco]

<p>The original appearance of Greenmist was from an unknown god.  The facade of the god even had a face, mouth, etc, when it unleashed the Greenmist upon the Shissar.</p><p>Cazic could have harnessed it then and used it later.  It's pretty hazy as to the exact origin, however.  Some speculators back in "the day" said that it might have even been the Shissar gods.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The original appearance of Greenmist was from an unknown god.  The facade of the god even had a face, mouth, etc, when it unleashed the Greenmist upon the Shissar.</p><p>Cazic could have harnessed it then and used it later.  It's pretty hazy as to the exact origin, however.  Some speculators back in "the day" said that it might have even been the Shissar gods.</p></blockquote><p>There was once an unconfirmed story from long ago. It might have just been a rumor, but I remember reading it somewhere.</p><p>It stated that the Greenmist was originally a creation between Cazic Thule, who came up with the idea, Bertoxxulous, who created it, and surprisingly, Tunare, to ensure that it wouldn't harm anyone other than whatever Cazic desired.</p><p>Might have just been fanfiction.</p>

[Meirril]

<p>I'm perty sure the Greenmist is wholly Cazic-Thule's creation and his alone to command.</p><p>There are 2 basic versions of the Greenmist story which have been repeated many times.</p><p>The Antonica Version: The Rallosian Army Sacks the Temple of Cazic Thule forcing the Lizardmen (not Iksar) to serve in the army. The Rallosian Army marches on. At the moment of their greatest battle the Greenmist decends and kills every Rallosian, saving the day for the good guys. There is much feasting for the followers of CT and they return to the temple. The End.</p><p>The Kunark Version: One of the races CT creates decides they don't need to pay homage to him. For generations they ignore CT. CT notices one of his created races is not paying proper respect, and is indeed causing one of his loyal races to stop worshiping via sharp pointy sticks and shackles. Cue the greenmist. Loyal race is made even more loyal as the greenmist decimates the former master's entire race. The End.</p><p>The funny thing is that most of Norrath's races are not enemies of Cazic Thule. Especially not the "good" races. Why? Because they feel fear. True worshipers spread fear, but every being that feels fear feeds Cazic. Fear is good. Things that cause fear are also good. Things that damage the worship of Cazic are bad. Things that overcome fear are bad too. Undead are a love/hate relationship for CT. While they do cause fear, they don't feel fear. Cazic should consider Anashti an enemy simply because she wants to spread undeath to the general population which would severly cut into his supply of fear.</p><p>I'm sure he'll get around to it someday.</p>

[Dreyco]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The original appearance of Greenmist was from an unknown god.  The facade of the god even had a face, mouth, etc, when it unleashed the Greenmist upon the Shissar.</p><p>Cazic could have harnessed it then and used it later.  It's pretty hazy as to the exact origin, however.  Some speculators back in "the day" said that it might have even been the Shissar gods.</p></blockquote><p>There was once an unconfirmed story from long ago. It might have just been a rumor, but I remember reading it somewhere.</p><p>It stated that the Greenmist was originally a creation between Cazic Thule, who came up with the idea, Bertoxxulous, who created it, and surprisingly, Tunare, to ensure that it wouldn't harm anyone other than whatever Cazic desired.</p><p>Might have just been fanfiction.</p></blockquote><p>Here's the canon from the original game.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://archiveofik.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=everquest&action=display&thread=44" target="_blank">http://archiveofik.proboards.com/in...y&thread=44</a></p><p>Here's the story itself.</p><p><em><span style="font-size: x-small;">As transcribed from the books of the Cabilis historians:The snake race known as Shissar slithered upon Kunark. The Iksar had yet to unite. Our people had yet to learn the arcane arts and the ways of fist and tail. Divided, the Iksar were enslaved by the snakes. In the centuries before the Green, the Iksar were slaves of the Shissar. They ruled from the ancient city of Chelsith which rested deep within the land now known as Overthere. From here would sprout much evil. The Iksar were tortured like frogs and suffered at the hands of the Shissar. The Iksar who showed genius were to help the snakes in their evil rites. These few were the seeds of rebellion. The Iksar began to plot a revolt, but a greater force would strike first.The Shissar were an arrogant race. The power bestowed by their god was not enough for them. They made pacts with other gods and demigods. They created rifts in time and space and used them to gather magic items held by the guardians of the planes. The Shissar's disloyalty and greed would bring the wrath of the gods upon them. No power could stop the force to come. <strong>A green cloud formed in the skies above Kunark and began to descend upon the land. From its center, the enraged visage of an <span style="text-decoration: underline;">unknown god</span> began to form. It opened its <span style="text-decoration: underline;">giant maw</span> and spoke in mysterious tongues. From this <span style="text-decoration: underline;">mouth </span>of death rushed forth a green mist.</strong> The Shissar shaman began to cast spells in hopes of shielding their city and the necromancers began to assault the mist with great magics. All were futile. The mist rushed forth. The first snakes to be swallowed by the mist had their scales and flesh rot and fall from their bones. Glorious screams of suffering could be heard from within the mist. A river of flesh and blood flowed. The Iksar stood and gazed upon the carnage that was once the Shissar. With the Green Mist came the liberation of the Iksar.The season is now 0 A.G, After Green. </span></em></p><p>((Underlined and bolded the parts that make this a pretty good mystery! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /> ))</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>I KNOW what the official canon is. I was just giving conjecture about it's origin, since even the official lore doesn't go into any detail of who made it.</p>

[Trevalon]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The original appearance of Greenmist was from an unknown god.  The facade of the god even had a face, mouth, etc, when it unleashed the Greenmist upon the Shissar.</p><p>Cazic could have harnessed it then and used it later.  It's pretty hazy as to the exact origin, however.  Some speculators back in "the day" said that it might have even been the Shissar gods.</p></blockquote><p>There was once an unconfirmed story from long ago. It might have just been a rumor, but I remember reading it somewhere.</p><p>It stated that the Greenmist was originally a creation between Cazic Thule, who came up with the idea, Bertoxxulous, who created it, and surprisingly, Tunare, to ensure that it wouldn't harm anyone other than whatever Cazic desired.</p><p>Might have just been fanfiction.</p></blockquote><p>Though I hate to agree with Cusa - this also sounds very very familar to me too... the bertox creating the green mist for cazic REALLY strikes a cord somewhere in my brain.</p>

[Cronyn]

<p>The Greenmist is an entity separate from Cazic-Thule.  He can entreat and command it, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone in and above Norrath, it is the weapon of the god of Fear.  This does not mean that he created it, or even had a hand in it's creation, however.</p><p>The creation of the Greenmist, and the nature of the relationship between it and Cazic (including how he summons and binds it) are both story arcs that I hope to delve more deeply into some time.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Kiara]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The Greenmist is an entity separate from Cazic-Thule.  He can entreat and command it, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone in and above Norrath, it is the weapon of the god of Fear.  This does not mean that he created it, or even had a hand in it's creation, however.</p><p>The creation of the Greenmist, and the nature of the relationship between it and Cazic (including how he summons and binds it) are both story arcs that I hope to delve more deeply into some time.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>* sniff sniff *</p><p>I smell a Lore guy.... What are you doing out of your cage?  Get back in there and write!</p><p>* cracks whip *</p>

[Deson]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The Greenmist is an entity separate from Cazic-Thule.  He can entreat and command it, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone in and above Norrath, it is the weapon of the god of Fear.  This does not mean that he created it, or even had a hand in it's creation, however.</p><p>The creation of the Greenmist, and the nature of the relationship between it and Cazic (including how he summons and binds it) are both story arcs that I hope to delve more deeply into some time.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>* sniff sniff *</p><p>I smell a Lore guy.... What are you doing out of your cage?  Get back in there and write!</p><p>* cracks whip *</p></blockquote><p>Oh cool! Someone new to torture us with cryptic statements we spend years trying to figure out.</p><p>Welcome!</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>He has learned well from the master.</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Kiara wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The Greenmist is an entity separate from Cazic-Thule.  He can entreat and command it, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone in and above Norrath, it is the weapon of the god of Fear.  This does not mean that he created it, or even had a hand in it's creation, however.</p><p>The creation of the Greenmist, and the nature of the relationship between it and Cazic (including how he summons and binds it) are both story arcs that I hope to delve more deeply into some time.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>* sniff sniff *</p><p>I smell a Lore guy.... What are you doing out of your cage?  Get back in there and write!</p><p>* cracks whip *</p></blockquote><p>Brenlo tweets about the lore guy putting him to sleep =/</p>

[Larkverdin]

<p><cite>Cronyn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The Greenmist is an entity separate from Cazic-Thule.  He can entreat and command it, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone in and above Norrath, it is the weapon of the god of Fear.  This does not mean that he created it, or even had a hand in it's creation, however.</p><p>The creation of the Greenmist, and the nature of the relationship between it and Cazic (including how he summons and binds it) are both story arcs that I hope to delve more deeply into some time.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Some time? Why not now? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" />. Is it perhaps a demi-god of Fear somehow? Arg...so many questions.....</p>