What is Bloodhaze Inn's secret?

[Thorindil]

<p>Ok, so I decided to do a search (quite randomly) on Blooodhaze Inn, and in a post I saw a developer, well, ex-developer comment that said this:<span ></span></p><p>The Blood Haze Inn has secrets within. Not even the owner of this upscale inn knows that these secrets exist. It all goes back to the origin of this building, a building bought and renovated by the current owner. Who were the former inhabitants of this building before it was an inn?</p><p>The person who said it was Vhalen, who I THINK was the old lore guy. Anyway, the people taking part in the discussion didn't really comment on it, and seemed to ignore it if anything, but it really perked my interest?</p><p>Can anyone help? It was written a while ago, so I imagine that there would be someone who knows?</p>

[betatester7]

<p>a hidding a treasure buried inside?</p><p>or maybe this place was used to make sacrifices or evil stuff before being an Inn, who knows!</p><p>maybe a Dev can give us any idea</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>What the heck is the Bloodhaze Inn?</p>

[Thorindil]

<p>It's the inn in West Freeport. Alot of people RP there, but none of the NPC's I have encountered seem to hint at anything. Strange...</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Doesn't sound like it's too important then.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>The post was by Vhalen, and can be found here:</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=186927">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=186927</a></p><p>As was his cryptic way, we really have no idea to what he was referring, and now that he is gone we are not likely to learn any more.</p>

[GlitterPaws]

<p>It may be the former site of the Ashen Order. It is visited during the early part of the Bruiser Epic.</p><p>It is a little difficult trying to juxtapose eqatlas maps over eq2maps but a wild guess would be the Ashen Order or the Arena.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Is it located in West Freeport? If Freeport hadn't been completely rebuilt after the Shattering and Rending, The Ashen Order building would be located approxamately right where the tradeskill society is found in West FP in relation to the arena.</p>

[Beghard]

<p>Yeah cause we all know the two games just line up like that dont they. If he made a post hinting about it i doubt its not very important.</p>

[Thorindil]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Doesn't sound like it's too important then.</p></blockquote><p>Bah, you would turn your back on a comment made by the at the time Lore guy of eq2? You sicken me.</p><p>Anyway, I was thinking Vhalen may have been hinting at some evil cult or something, as the way he said it, it sounds pretty sinister whatever did happen there.</p>

[Noaani]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Is it located in West Freeport? If Freeport hadn't been completely rebuilt after the Shattering and Rending, The Ashen Order building would be located approxamately right where the tradeskill society is found in West FP in relation to the arena.</p></blockquote><p>Its also possible that the former inhabitants of the building were the Everlings...</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Noaani wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Is it located in West Freeport? If Freeport hadn't been completely rebuilt after the Shattering and Rending, The Ashen Order building would be located approxamately right where the tradeskill society is found in West FP in relation to the arena.</p></blockquote><p>Its also possible that the former inhabitants of the building were the Everlings...</p></blockquote><p>I somehow doubt that. The Everling Currio shop was suppose to move around. You never found it in the same place twice. Also, I seriously doubt a former currio shop would be large enough to house even a small Inn that has rooms to rent.</p><p>Other possability is that the inn could be the former home of the Knights of Truth, or the Ashen Order. I don't think the Freeport Millita would abandon the Millita House in favor of taking over the Ashen Order's abandoned digs? There is also the reminents of the Freeport Sewers that also housed the Freeport Necromancer's Guild. Its possible that an entrace to their hidden lair still exists in the Inn somewhere.</p><p>Also the former city hall was located in West Freeport. Its certainly possible that after Lucan moved to the Citidel that it was sold and converted to an Inn. I doubt Lucan would leave anything incriminating behind on purpose but that doesn't mean some of his less trustworthy associates didn't hide anything within those walls...</p>

[DeBasilisk]

<p>Here's what Vhalen had to say about Everling's shop:</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span ><p>The Everling family used to run a Freeport curios shop within the latter half of the Age of Enlightenment. The shop had humble beginnings, but that changed when it became well known for rare trinkets that the Everling's used to scour the globe to import. Most of the merchandise was unique. Aristocrats, affluent trotters and eccentric sages often paid a high price for some of the items sold at the House of Everling. This made the Everlings a very rich family.</p><p>Although the shop produced an affluent clientele, it was located in the poorer section of Freeport due to its humble beginnings. It is said that it was also the perfect place to move contraband to and from the shop. That section of the city was later razed by the Freeport Office of Landholders by order of Sir Lucan D'Lere. They hired a dwarf crew to do the dirty work, Demolition Guild 426. I doubt you could find any remnants from that curios shop. However, an odd thing has been reported in the back alley taverns and black markets of Norrath, some say they have recently visited the House of Everling. Of course, those people that made such claims must be rathed. That entire section of Freeport was razed approximately three centuries ago and there is no record of a new Everling shop within Freeport. This would seem the case since a few of those few recent patrons have attempted to prove the existence of the shop only to find it was not where they thought it was. Tales of bottomless tankard they must be!</p></span></span></p>

[Thorindil]

<p>Perhaps the broker in Bloodhaze Inn is a hint intended to make us believe it was infact the Everling's shop.</p><p>I know the broker is probably nothing to do with the Everlings but it might be a hint, however farfetched it sounds.</p><p>After all, what other Inns in Norrath harbour a broker with his own counter? Especially with the Freeport Crafters guild only a brisk walk away. If anything the broker should be there.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Thorindil@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Doesn't sound like it's too important then.</p></blockquote><p>Bah, you would turn your back on a comment made by the at the time Lore guy of eq2? You sicken me.</p><p>Anyway, I was thinking Vhalen may have been hinting at some evil cult or something, as the way he said it, it sounds pretty sinister whatever did happen there.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Evil and Sinister...in FREEPORT? What would be evil in sinister in Freeport??? I mean there are plenty of Wannabe's running around spouting "Today is a good day for Evil to Thrive!"</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">BTW they could get up to the top by going inside and not even get into the mounted guard's aggro range. </span></p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Thorindil@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Perhaps the broker in Bloodhaze Inn is a hint intended to make us believe it was infact the Everling's shop.</p><p>I know the broker is probably nothing to do with the Everlings but it might be a hint, however farfetched it sounds.</p><p>After all, what other Inns in Norrath harbour a broker with his own counter? Especially with the Freeport Crafters guild only a brisk walk away. If anything the broker should be there.</p></blockquote><p>Actually it makes me think the rest of the brokers are idiots for not choosing indoor locations with counters so they could get out of the rain and be proffessional and comfortable. You don't see any bankers joining the brokers outdoors, do you?</p><p>Also the broker was moved indoors at some point. He use to stand outside and accrost the street from the Bloodhaze Inn. Or am I thinking about the Jade Tiger Inn? Meh. Freeport really isn't my town...</p>

[Rezikai]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Thorindil@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Perhaps the broker in Bloodhaze Inn is a hint intended to make us believe it was infact the Everling's shop.</p><p>I know the broker is probably nothing to do with the Everlings but it might be a hint, however farfetched it sounds.</p><p>After all, what other Inns in Norrath harbour a broker with his own counter? Especially with the Freeport Crafters guild only a brisk walk away. If anything the broker should be there.</p></blockquote><p>Actually it makes me think the rest of the brokers are idiots for not choosing indoor locations with counters so they could get out of the rain and be proffessional and comfortable. You don't see any bankers joining the brokers outdoors, do you?</p><p>Also the broker was moved indoors at some point. He use to stand outside and accrost the street from the Bloodhaze Inn. Or am I thinking about the Jade Tiger Inn? Meh. Freeport really isn't my town...</p></blockquote><p>Aye that was the Jade Tiger's broker, shes still out there in the rain,.. the East and South Freeport brokers at  least got themselves a roof to hide under.</p>

[KERSTYNN]

<p>Hmmmm.. what an interesting quandry. I was originally thinking that it may be a refernce to "the Bunker". But the building that the Militia is now in seems to correalate more to "the Bunker" than any other. "The Bunker", for those who don't know, is the building that housed the Steel Warriors, a mercenary fighters guild basec in both Freeport and Qeynos.</p><p>The next possibility that caught my eye is that it could be the former location of the "Hogcaller's Inn". I'll have to check and see if its still somewhere in the game already as the name sounds familiar to me. The location does not match up as well as that of "The Bunker" but weknow how that goes, hehe.</p><p>Just some random thoughts....</p><p>~K~</p><p>Edited to add another thought:</p><p>I wonder if Vhalen could be referring to something even further back in time, such to the dark elven city of Wielle over whose foundations Freeport has been built. Some portions of builings from that era could very easily make up a part of the walls and floorings of the current buildings. (Stone portions not wood, of course)</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>KERSTYNN wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Edited to add another thought:</p><p>I wonder if Vhalen could be referring to something even further back in time, such to the dark elven city of Wielle over whose foundations Freeport has been built. Some portions of builings from that era could very easily make up a part of the walls and floorings of the current buildings. (Stone portions not wood, of course)</p></blockquote><p>errmm. There never was any city or settlement before Freeport's founding.</p>

[PsiaMeese]

<p><cite>KERSTYNN wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I wonder if Vhalen could be referring to something even further back in time, such to the dark elven city of Wielle over whose foundations Freeport has been built. Some portions of builings from that era could very easily make up a part of the walls and floorings of the current buildings. (Stone portions not wood, of course)</p></blockquote><p>I poked around to find the reference to Wielle. All I could find was mention in the EQ RPG books. Some lore websites will incorporate whatever it can find. Regardless of the source material. While myself and others find those resources fun and interesting, others who frequent the History and Lore forum tend to frown upon such things ever being mentioned here.</p><p>It does, IMO, make for good conversation though.</p>

[Thorindil]

<p>While it is fun to speculate, perhaps a dev could confirm for us, or at least give us a hint. Surely the current lore guy or gal would have some idea?</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Initially Freeport was called Wielle.  (This comes from The War of the Broken Crown, which was pre-beta lore that was never included in EQ Live).</p><p>In the story of Aataltaal from the EQ RPG game module Forests of Faydark, Wielle beacame known as Landing.  This is also included in the module for Freeport from the same source.</p><p>Later still, Landing was called Haven, (also from the EQ RPG game), and finally, Freeport.</p><p>All of the above sources are non-canon, although bits and pieces of the story have made their way into official lore. </p><p>For instance,  Aataltaal is mentioned in two of the EQ RPG modules, and one of the EQ novels (the Ocean of Tears), but he also is referenced in EQ Live (you could get the 'Journal of Aataltaal' as a drop off of Estrella of Gloomwater in Kedge Keep), as well as in relation to Tarton's Wheel.</p><p>And of course there is the current exile city of Haven, which may or may not have any bearing at all on the fact that Freeport once was known by the same name.</p>

[Homeskillet]

<p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Initially Freeport was called Wielle.  (This comes from The War of the Broken Crown, which was pre-beta lore that was never included in EQ Live).</p><p>In the story of Aataltaal from the EQ RPG game module Forests of Faydark, Wielle beacame known as Landing.  This is also included in the module for Freeport from the same source.</p><p>Later still, Landing was called Haven, (also from the EQ RPG game), and finally, Freeport.</p><p>All of the above sources are non-canon, although bits and pieces of the story have made their way into official lore. </p><p>For instance,  Aataltaal is mentioned in two of the EQ RPG modules, and one of the EQ novels (the Ocean of Tears), but he also is referenced in EQ Live (you could get the 'Journal of Aataltaal' as a drop off of Estrella of Gloomwater in Kedge Keep), as well as in relation to Tarton's Wheel.</p><p>And of course there is the current exile city of Haven, which may or may not have any bearing at all on the fact that Freeport once was known by the same name.</p></blockquote><p>Actually as I recall the entirety of the "Ocean of Tears" novel was adapted into what was effectively cannon lore. So while it is incorrect to state it was a Teir'dal settlement (there were only a few random broken down towers that were there when Wielle was founded), Freeport did indeed exist for some time under different names. Wielle was the name for it initially, then Landing when Aataltaal arrived with a boat load of artisans and others. Eventually it became Haven, then Freeport.</p><p>Very little of Aataltaal is in EQ2 aside from Tarton's Wheel, but if we consider the official lore "split" to be at the end of Planes of Power, then indeed all of that as far as it pertains to the origins of Freeport would be considered canon.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Initially Freeport was called Wielle.  (This comes from The War of the Broken Crown, which was pre-beta lore that was never included in EQ Live).</p><p>In the story of Aataltaal from the EQ RPG game module Forests of Faydark, Wielle beacame known as Landing.  This is also included in the module for Freeport from the same source.</p><p>Later still, Landing was called Haven, (also from the EQ RPG game), and finally, Freeport.</p><p>All of the above sources are non-canon, although bits and pieces of the story have made their way into official lore. </p><p>For instance,  Aataltaal is mentioned in two of the EQ RPG modules, and one of the EQ novels (the Ocean of Tears), but he also is referenced in EQ Live (you could get the 'Journal of Aataltaal' as a drop off of Estrella of Gloomwater in Kedge Keep), as well as in relation to Tarton's Wheel.</p><p>And of course there is the current exile city of Haven, which may or may not have any bearing at all on the fact that Freeport once was known by the same name.</p></blockquote><p>Actually as I recall the entirety of the "Ocean of Tears" novel was adapted into what was effectively cannon lore. So while it is incorrect to state it was a Teir'dal settlement (there were only a few random broken down towers that were there when Wielle was founded), Freeport did indeed exist for some time under different names. Wielle was the name for it initially, then Landing when Aataltaal arrived with a boat load of artisans and others. Eventually it became Haven, then Freeport.</p><p>Very little of Aataltaal is in EQ2 aside from Tarton's Wheel, but if we consider the official lore "split" to be at the end of Planes of Power, then indeed all of that as far as it pertains to the origins of Freeport would be considered canon.</p></blockquote><p>That book never became official lore. it's just that most of it is based off already existing lore.</p>

[KERSTYNN]

<p>Yes I was refferring to, the often considered non-canon, PnP sourcebooks. While I understand that most view it as non-cannon there are quite a few bits from those that make it into canon, from npcs to locations etc. So you have to take some of it as "partly" canon in my opinion. You can't "throw the baby out with the bathwater" so to speak, as there are quite a few bits of info included there that tie up or leave open bits of info that pertain to the Norrath we know and love. Saying nothing existed before EQ II's Freeport just because Freeport appeared fully grown the day EQ2 went live is coounter intuitive. But this is an arguement for another time.</p><p>I probably should have said outpost instead of city in relation to the stories of Wielle, but it still makes me wonder what Vhalen was thinking about in regards to the Inn. Sadly I am not even sure we will ever know with him being gone and no real "Lore" department handling things. I have to admit I am frightened for the future. Reminds me of going to a table top game and having no dm show up, and the dice step up say they can dm just as well, lol....</p><p>~K~</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Well, Vhalen's last hand in the lore's development was everything in TSO. From here on, it's a combonation of all the other developers, who are doing a fine job in my opinion with the Order of Rime storyline they just patched today, and the VERY STRONG hinting towards both Velious and Odus in the next expansion.</p><p>He did tell me he hopes that the developers will take care of Lucan D'Lere's lore and give him some appropriate involvements in the future though. He hopes that they will.</p>

[Telperien]

<p>I rarely post but I did want to point out that the bloodhaze inn both in relation to the WFP gate (although the scale is off) and in the way the building is laid out is very reminiscent of the old militia house building.  Lookin back at the maps from eq atlas makes me doubt it but at the same time where in freeport have there been more secrets than the old militia house from where our good old friend lucan began planning the results we see today.</p>

[Thorindil]

<p>Well it was given a comlete overhaul by the new owner wasn't it, so it doesn't have to bear resemblence to anything to mean it was that, but providing the foundations were the same maybe, and hopefully, it could be. The old militia house was where Lucan plotted his takeover right?</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Initially Freeport was called Wielle.  (This comes from The War of the Broken Crown, which was pre-beta lore that was never included in EQ Live).</p><p>In the story of Aataltaal from the EQ RPG game module Forests of Faydark, Wielle beacame known as Landing.  This is also included in the module for Freeport from the same source.</p><p>Later still, Landing was called Haven, (also from the EQ RPG game), and finally, Freeport.</p><p>All of the above sources are non-canon, although bits and pieces of the story have made their way into official lore. </p><p>For instance,  Aataltaal is mentioned in two of the EQ RPG modules, and one of the EQ novels (the Ocean of Tears), but he also is referenced in EQ Live (you could get the 'Journal of Aataltaal' as a drop off of Estrella of Gloomwater in Kedge Keep), as well as in relation to Tarton's Wheel.</p><p>And of course there is the current exile city of Haven, which may or may not have any bearing at all on the fact that Freeport once was known by the same name.</p></blockquote><p>Actually as I recall the entirety of the "Ocean of Tears" novel was adapted into what was effectively cannon lore. So while it is incorrect to state it was a Teir'dal settlement (there were only a few random broken down towers that were there when Wielle was founded), Freeport did indeed exist for some time under different names. Wielle was the name for it initially, then Landing when Aataltaal arrived with a boat load of artisans and others. Eventually it became Haven, then Freeport.</p><p>Very little of Aataltaal is in EQ2 aside from Tarton's Wheel, but if we consider the official lore "split" to be at the end of Planes of Power, then indeed all of that as far as it pertains to the origins of Freeport would be considered canon.</p></blockquote><p>Tarton's Wheel exsisted in EQ1 long before the book was written. Having it be important to Aataltaal is a retcon.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>As I said, Ocean of Tears is a work of fiction that barrows elements of official lore from Everquest. The book itself is not canon to the series.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Retcon or not, if it has been sanctioned by inclusion in the official lore, then we are forced to also retcon its inclusion. (which is a part of the problem with a dynamic game(s), and independant developers.)</p><p>The 'official' lore of Norrath is in constant flux, and new additions to the canon require revisions to what we had believed previously.</p><p>All that is relevant is when these retcons happened in Norraths history, and not when the retcons were added in real life.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Retcon or not, if it has been sanctioned by inclusion in the official lore, then we are forced to also retcon its inclusion. (which is a part of the problem with a dynamic game(s), and independant developers.)</p><p>The 'official' lore of Norrath is in constant flux, and new additions to the canon require revisions to what we had believed previously.</p><p>All that is relevant is when these retcons happened in Norraths history, and not when the retcons were added in real life.</p></blockquote><p>None of the novels are canon to the series though. To be so would mean the games reference what happens in them, but that isn't the case. They reference what happens here.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Homeskillet wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Initially Freeport was called Wielle.  (This comes from The War of the Broken Crown, which was pre-beta lore that was never included in EQ Live).</p><p>In the story of Aataltaal from the EQ RPG game module Forests of Faydark, Wielle beacame known as Landing.  This is also included in the module for Freeport from the same source.</p><p>Later still, Landing was called Haven, (also from the EQ RPG game), and finally, Freeport.</p><p>All of the above sources are non-canon, although bits and pieces of the story have made their way into official lore. </p><p>For instance,  Aataltaal is mentioned in two of the EQ RPG modules, and one of the EQ novels (the Ocean of Tears), but he also is referenced in EQ Live (you could get the 'Journal of Aataltaal' as a drop off of Estrella of Gloomwater in Kedge Keep), as well as in relation to Tarton's Wheel.</p><p>And of course there is the current exile city of Haven, which may or may not have any bearing at all on the fact that Freeport once was known by the same name.</p></blockquote><p>Actually as I recall the entirety of the "Ocean of Tears" novel was adapted into what was effectively cannon lore. So while it is incorrect to state it was a Teir'dal settlement (there were only a few random broken down towers that were there when Wielle was founded), Freeport did indeed exist for some time under different names. Wielle was the name for it initially, then Landing when Aataltaal arrived with a boat load of artisans and others. Eventually it became Haven, then Freeport.</p><p>Very little of Aataltaal is in EQ2 aside from Tarton's Wheel, but if we consider the official lore "split" to be at the end of Planes of Power, then indeed all of that as far as it pertains to the origins of Freeport would be considered canon.</p></blockquote><p>Tarton's Wheel exsisted in EQ1 long before the book was written. Having it be important to Aataltaal is a retcon.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">I wish they would fix Tarton's Wheel, it's not really any good for getting you out of a stuck area that is below the ground level. Stats aren't all that great for all the work you have to put into getting it put together, but that is another forum. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Anyway, I remember mention of the previous settlements, but I do now know how germain it is to the Everling city house or the Blooshaze in. For all we know the Everling house is now the lunacy aslyum that is not shown but <strong>IS</strong> lore. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Has anyone tried skulking around there with the Idol of Everling, since a lot of this discussion refers to the family?</span></p>

[Thorindil]

<p>There's a lunatic asylum in Freeport?</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Thorindil@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>There's a lunatic asylum in Freeport?</p></blockquote><p>Yes, though it's not shown anywhere in the game. Vhalen told us about it once.</p>

[Zabjade]

<p><span style="color: #00cc00;">If you want to look it up it's full name is:</span></p><p><span style="color: #00cc00;">Nevermind, here's the link: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=187034�" target="_blank">The Freeport Infirmary and Lunacy Asylum</a> </span></p>