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Comtorro

06-07-2009, 08:25 AM

I hit 80 two weeks aggo and I am just starting to gruop with my gaurd. I had no trouble getting to 80 but now im starting to group and i am haveing a hard time trying to figure out how to hold aggor on more than one target. my current stratgey is telling the group members no AOEs stay on my target and if one pulls off use both taunts beat on it till it comes back the go back to the frist target. there has to be a better way to do this pls help. my gaurds name is commtorro on nektulos server if you want to look him up.

RafaelSmith

06-07-2009, 12:29 PM

First, make sure you have some form of hate xfer or hate buffing classes in the group.....perferably two....Dirge, Coercer, Swashy,-The Warrior AGI AA line helps some......extra blue AE and the 40% "AE" auto-attack.-Have someone else in the group be MA...let them pick the target and have the rest of the group target thru them.-While you tab-tab-tab-tab thru all the targets makeing sure you have aggro on them. The new hate meter helps some....I tab thru targets and when I see one that im close to losing aggro on ill work on it for abit then cycle to the next.....just keep doing that until they are dead. In a heavy AE encounter...I rarely spend more than 2-3 CAs on a single target before cycling on to the next.-Use reinforcements + blues + anchor pretty much whenever you can.-Tell your DPS classes that they will have to watch their hate meter and holdback/throttle as needed......You use Moderate your least behaved DPS class.-Lastly, gear with reactive procs like Mutagenic burst can help abit....but its not gonna make or break anything.-Guards can get by doing AE but its ALOT harder and the better and better your DPS classes are the harder and harder it gets.-I personally avoid building groups with heavy/well geared AE dps classes.....much easier that way. I also avoid building groups without any form of hate buff or hate xfer.

Kigneer

06-07-2009, 12:57 PM

TIP: Di'Zok Bliss food = 4% hate reduction. In those situations where there's w-a-y too much DPS and/or groupies don't have hate tranfer abilities or gear, serving that to the "stake and bake" types can make your life easier. Many run around with no food, and maybe a drink as it is. :/

Comtorro

06-08-2009, 04:25 AM

thanks for the tips. My biggest problem is i cant get groups i say 80 gaurd LFG and the caht goes dead untill i stop posting messages i feel unwanted and unloved mybe i just need to power gring my SK and get groups of him but i like my gaurd i dont want to fill like i wasted 5 month hacking and slashing my way to 80 just to be told you guy is broken go make a crusader because we are going to group them any way.

Rahatmattata

06-08-2009, 07:08 AM

Well you can either go easy mode crusader for however long that is going to last, or you can stick with guardian... try to build a good rep and eventually get offers to tank for a guild. It's not easy, but with time you will be able to hold aggro well enough, and have more durability then crusaders. If you can produce enough hate to keep a mob on you, it doesn't matter if a shadowknight can produce 6 times the amount of hate. You either have aggro or you don't.Focus on earning gear and AAs. It is slow at first until you get better gear and AA and can hold aggro better, then people get to know you and start inviting you again, and it snowballs. It's up to you though, you can do well with a guard, and in the end you have the potential for more survivability than any other class in the game, but you could easily just play a crusader and if you aren't doing any serious raid tanking in a progressing guild, probably get more bang for your time and monthly fee.

Kigneer

06-08-2009, 08:25 AM

<cite>Comtorro@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>thanks for the tips. My biggest problem is i cant get groups i say 80 gaurd LFG and the caht goes dead untill i stop posting messages i feel unwanted and unloved mybe i just need to power gring my SK and get groups of him but i like my gaurd i dont want to fill like i wasted 5 month hacking and slashing my way to 80 just to be told you guy is broken go make a crusader because we are going to group them any way.</blockquote>This seems a problem on EQ2 servers now. Every level 80 tank that is online is vying for a DD run position or to tag along. This in turn means RoK content (like Seb) is almost abandoned. Going through Seb and CoA now also shows no exquisite drops, which keeps the farmers from wanting to come, too. Worse, if your friend's list isn't a mile long, getting into any group or forming one is hard to rare (it's now a rep+friend deal to get into these groups).Been trying for days to get the epic updates, but every healer advertizing is "TSO only" -- EQ2 is becoming w-a-y too insular on shard content, and in return the rest of the game and those leveling are suffering. Just a race to the top, and forget going to the dungeons for even good drops, as you need shard gear to progress (as it basically replaced fabled raiding gear, especially T3+ -- chest drops are reflecting it. Been weeks since I saw a exquisite drop, ornate drops like flies now with usually trash gear that goes for a plat on the broker mostly).And no, even being a SK isn't a guarantee of finding a group. Guildie SK just got his fabled, and spending the time on TSO and mentoring another guildie, instead. His complaint is like yours, no groups to get on, at least worth the time to spend on possibly dying and paying for the now more expensive repair bill (remember the issue about "TSO only" healers?).

Yimway

06-08-2009, 11:40 AM

I'm not liking most of the answers provided.First off, use an AGI line spec. I keep one on my mirror and pull it out for groups. I do not raid down this line, but I find it useful for groups.The AE Autoattack and extra blue ability is nice.Let me give you a break down of how I do an aoe pull.1) If possible tag the highest con of the group. Often times one ^^^ is paired with several ^ and ^^'s. I want to focus dps and my hate on the hardest mob of the encounter.2) once mobs are in camp, hit green taunt, follow with seige (blue aoe).3) remember to keep your heading such that you have as many mobs on your frontal arc as possible, never just let the game turn you to be exactly on your current target.4) If I'm having trouble with adds pealing off, I then use reinforcement, blue aoe from agi, plant, then green taunt with dd.*Note: I have not tabbed mobs!5) if I'm still losing aggro, I generally will use guard sphere unless the mob I've lost poses a threat greater than the survivability of guard sphere gives whoever is ripping.Now the key part...6) Stay on your pull target until its at 30-40% health, then tab. Keep switching targets off your killtarget at as close to 30% as possible. From 100-30 you've built enough aggro to keep it on you while dots, encounter damage, and aoe damage will finish the mob off without you direct targeting it.tabtabtabtabtab targeting / aggro generations previously mentioned is not a good way to handle things as your just going to pepper your groups dps among those mobs as well. And even if you ask repeatedly for everyone to dps assist someone else, some [Removed for Content] wont listen, so you've got to just assume everyone will blindly dps thru you every second of combat.Play around with this, you might find switching at 50 to be better for you vs 30, or you may need to stay on it to 20, etc. This just depends on your aggor generation and your groups encounter dps. If you have all ST dps, you'll likely wait till later to switch, more aoe/encounter dps, switch sooner. Will take a little time to get used to it, but I believe this is the hands down best method.Advanced Note:tabing as I suggested will switch you between a single encounter if you are fighting multiple multi-mob encounters. So, basically if you have 2 groups of 4, your going to switch between the 4 in one encounter ignoring the other. However if your fighting 2 singles, tab will switch between them. Ie, tab will not switch off of the targeted encounter unless there are no other mobs in the encounted. Knowing this, you may need to pick every 2nd or 3rd target via mouse targeting to keep switching your focus between multiple engaged encounters. Or, sometimes you want to keep your dps on a single encounter and rely on your aoe hate generation to keep the other off healers. Just understand how it works and adjust accordingly.

RafaelSmith

06-08-2009, 01:10 PM

<cite>Atan@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not liking most of the answers provided.First off, use an AGI line spec. I keep one on my mirror and pull it out for groups. I do not raid down this line, but I find it useful for groups.The AE Autoattack and extra blue ability is nice.Let me give you a break down of how I do an aoe pull.1) If possible tag the highest con of the group. Often times one ^^^ is paired with several ^ and ^^'s. I want to focus dps and my hate on the hardest mob of the encounter.2) once mobs are in camp, hit green taunt, follow with seige (blue aoe).3) remember to keep your heading such that you have as many mobs on your frontal arc as possible, never just let the game turn you to be exactly on your current target.4) If I'm having trouble with adds pealing off, I then use reinforcement, blue aoe from agi, plant, then green taunt with dd.*Note: I have not tabbed mobs!5) if I'm still losing aggro, I generally will use guard sphere unless the mob I've lost poses a threat greater than the survivability of guard sphere gives whoever is ripping.Now the key part...6) Stay on your pull target until its at 30-40% health, then tab. Keep switching targets off your killtarget at as close to 30% as possible. From 100-30 you've built enough aggro to keep it on you while dots, encounter damage, and aoe damage will finish the mob off without you direct targeting it.tabtabtabtabtab targeting / aggro generations previously mentioned is not a good way to handle things as your just going to pepper your groups dps among those mobs as well. And even if you ask repeatedly for everyone to dps assist someone else, some [Removed for Content] wont listen, so you've got to just assume everyone will blindly dps thru you every second of combat.Play around with this, you might find switching at 50 to be better for you vs 30, or you may need to stay on it to 20, etc. This just depends on your aggor generation and your groups encounter dps. If you have all ST dps, you'll likely wait till later to switch, more aoe/encounter dps, switch sooner. Will take a little time to get used to it, but I believe this is the hands down best method.Advanced Note:tabing as I suggested will switch you between a single encounter if you are fighting multiple multi-mob encounters. So, basically if you have 2 groups of 4, your going to switch between the 4 in one encounter ignoring the other. However if your fighting 2 singles, tab will switch between them. Ie, tab will not switch off of the targeted encounter unless there are no other mobs in the encounted. Knowing this, you may need to pick every 2nd or 3rd target via mouse targeting to keep switching your focus between multiple engaged encounters. Or, sometimes you want to keep your dps on a single encounter and rely on your aoe hate generation to keep the other off healers. Just understand how it works and adjust accordingly.</blockquote>Not sure what my problem is but if I pull a group of mobs and stay on a single target until 30-40% ive already long lost the extras........usually they are already peeling off toward the Warlock by the time my long casting green AE has landed. The threat from Guard + green AE + Siege for me is typically not enough AE threat to keep the secondary+ mobs on me...I have to actively continue laying down CAs and such on every target.Typically if I tab-tab-tab-tab by the time the MA's target is around 50% I can stick with that target until its dead then move on to the next.I guess I do better if I prevent mobs from peeling instead of waiting to react when they do peel.

Rahatmattata

06-08-2009, 03:40 PM

<cite>Gaylon@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not sure what my problem is but if I pull a group of mobs and stay on a single target until 30-40% ive already long lost the extras........usually they are already peeling off toward the Warlock by the time my long casting green AE has landed. The threat from Guard + green AE + Siege for me is typically not enough AE threat to keep the secondary+ mobs on me...I have to actively continue laying down CAs and such on every target.Typically if I tab-tab-tab-tab by the time the MA's target is around 50% I can stick with that target until its dead then move on to the next.I guess I do better if I prevent mobs from peeling instead of waiting to react when they do peel.</blockquote>The bolded part kind of sounds/suggests you don't have the extra pbaoe and 40% aoe attack from agi? It does help quite a bit, and get it if you don't have it for heroic content. Mutagenic burst helps too. Moderate warlock obviously. Use double attack potions (or +crit if your DA is really high), and the temp adornments if you can afford them... Personally I'm not paying 25g for 30min buff but that's me and I can't get them cheaper.

RafaelSmith

06-08-2009, 04:03 PM

<cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gaylon@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not sure what my problem is but if I pull a group of mobs and stay on a single target until 30-40% ive already long lost the extras........usually they are already peeling off toward the Warlock by the time my long casting green AE has landed. The threat from Guard + green AE + Siege for me is typically not enough AE threat to keep the secondary+ mobs on me...I have to actively continue laying down CAs and such on every target.Typically if I tab-tab-tab-tab by the time the MA's target is around 50% I can stick with that target until its dead then move on to the next.I guess I do better if I prevent mobs from peeling instead of waiting to react when they do peel.</blockquote>The bolded part kind of sounds/suggests you don't have the extra pbaoe and 40% aoe attack from agi? It does help quite a bit, and get it if you don't have it for heroic content. Mutagenic burst helps too. Moderate warlock obviously. Use double attack potions (or +crit if your DA is really high), and the temp adornments if you can afford them... Personally I'm not paying 25g for 30min buff but that's me and I can't get them cheaper.</blockquote>I do have the AGI 40% PBAOE. Two pieces of Mutagenic Burst gear.For my group/heroic instance spec I currently use STR 445, STA 448, AGI 448, INT 48821My unbuffed crit% is around 60% and DA is also around 60%. Been trying to work on gear for those but running out of options given what my normal groups can do.I rarely have a Dirge available and we do not have a Coercer.I have used the temp adornments and potions but no way I can afford to use them every 30min for every group I run.While I do have my Mythical (much thanks to friendly raiders on the server that run open VP raids)......my offhander sucks which is probably part of my problem.

Yimway

06-08-2009, 04:54 PM

<cite>Gaylon@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not sure what my problem is but if I pull a group of mobs and stay on a single target until 30-40% ive already long lost the extras........usually they are already peeling off toward the Warlock by the time my long casting green AE has landed. The threat from Guard + green AE + Siege for me is typically not enough AE threat to keep the secondary+ mobs on me...I have to actively continue laying down CAs and such on every target.Typically if I tab-tab-tab-tab by the time the MA's target is around 50% I can stick with that target until its dead then move on to the next.I guess I do better if I prevent mobs from peeling instead of waiting to react when they do peel.</blockquote>Don't use the long casting green. Go with your shorter casting one. Moderate the warlock. Also, I've become to like the TSO AA that adds taunt to block as well as hit. In places like B:CoA, this works fairly well for me.If your still having trobule, on pull go Fast Green, Siege, Plant.That way you're rooting them for 12.5s or whatever and aggro from the warlock is irrelevant.I generally only use the long casting green as the last step in an aoe reinforcement chain, as with the hate position increase added to the green ae, it has some value. In most other situations, its just not worth the cast delay.

Landiin

06-08-2009, 10:26 PM

I normally do about the same as Atan but once I do the green AE + Siege I'll next target and hit each one with a ca and come to rest on the biggest (1st) mob. And I never ever never stay on a target to it is 0% I always switch to a new one around 5%-10%. Seem if I let the target die with more mobs in the encounter I will lose the remaining ones..

Comtorro

06-09-2009, 12:48 AM

Thanks again for the tips was able to tank Nacrotic wiped abunch of time but it was due more to lucky shots and not knowing how to fight the nameds thanks to the drige Unbound on Nektulos for giving me a shot and not kicking me for a pallie or SK. he was vary calm and supportive. Makes me feal better about the the community.