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DeBasilisk

05-27-2009, 11:52 PM

Ok, I'm trying to get a grasp on how exactly vampires fit in with the glorious history of the Iksar people. Here are three facts which bring me to my search.1.) A connection between Mayong Mistmoore and Venril Sathir exists.*2.) Xalgoz is/was a Sarnak vampire.3.) One of Rile Sathir's greatest servants, the Warlord Chosooth, was a vampire.*(it is not known for certain when this connection, either before or after Venril's return from death, was founded).So, my general question is, from where and when did vampires begin taking an interest in Kunark? The oldest vampires I can recall, are Mayong's gang and the D'Morte family. Was Chosooth an Iksar Vampire? Very little lore regarding Chosooth can be found in EQ1 or2. The fact that Xalgoz is a vampire intrigues me, since, as a sarnak, Xalgoz is a member of a species purposely created by the Iksar, which proves that vampirism can be transmitted from one race to another.Frankly, I have never really understood how vampires fit into Norrath at all, but specifically, how did they come to inhabit Kunark?Any info appreciated.

Cusashorn

05-28-2009, 12:22 AM

Mistmoore populated Kunark with the drachnids for still unknown reasons. I doubt we'll find out anytime soon.Xalgoz and whoever this Chosooth guy is (I sure don't remember any mention of him in EQlive) are exceptions. They're unique. No other cases of vampires on Kunark have ever been shown.

Rainmare

05-28-2009, 06:26 AM

It's known that Mayong has a distinct dislike for the Ring of Scale. Xalgoz has some link to Mayong, as there's a mistmoore emmisary there, adn I think the sig line in Kaladim shows that Xalgoz was to give Mayong the Stormhammer becuase it bore one of the runes on it.the guy your refering to with Rile...I think his vampirism was after Rile's death at sea..so I'm not sure he 'served' rile as a vampiric general.As to the connection between MAyong and Venril...where did you find that? nothing I've seen so far leads me to think Venril and Mayong have any relationship/partnership on anything.

DeBasilisk

05-28-2009, 10:21 AM

-Xalgoz and whoever this Chosooth guy is (I sure don't remember any mention of him in EQlive) are exceptions. They're unique. No other cases of vampires on Kunark have ever been shown.-It's known that Mayong has a distinct dislike for the Ring of Scale. Xalgoz has some link to Mayong, as there's a mistmoore emmisary there, adn I think the sig line in Kaladim shows that Xalgoz was to give Mayong the Stormhammer becuase it bore one of the runes on it.the guy your refering to with Rile...I think his vampirism was after Rile's death at sea..so I'm not sure he 'served' rile as a vampiric general.As to the connection between MAyong and Venril...where did you find that? nothing I've seen so far leads me to think Venril and Mayong have any relationship/partnership on anything.-Rile had three generals who helped expand his empire: Kurn, Chosooth and Karatukus (sp?). I *think* Chosooth was the founder of Kaesora, but I'll have to double check that. Interesting note though, Kaesora was the home of Xalgoz in EQLive. Here's the info from EQLive (copied online), which originally either came from the game booklet or a scroll that could be purchased from a vendor in Cabilis, I forget, but I am positive it was in game."Rile assumed the throne; however, little changed in the kingdom. The son of Sathir seized more valuable land and his ruthless reputation increased the fear of his warlords: Kurn Machta and Karatukus and the vampire, Chosooth. By the time these warlords finished, most of the continent definitely belonged to Sebilis ... all but a few pockets of Giants and Dragons."Chosooth is also the name of one of the EQ2 collectables, "Tablets of Rile Sathir Dynasty."As far as the Venril/Mayong connection, Xalgoz was a servant of Venril even as far back as EQ1. The Mayong emissary in the bottom of Karnor's confirms a connection between Venril's direct servant and Mayong. Also, the widespread presence of the Drachnids "Agents of Mistmoore," in the Dreadlands confirms at minimum that Mayong had a vested interest in keeping an eye on Venril while he was in Karnor. I think there was some sort of mob in EQ1 which had faction hits for both Venril and Mayong, but I'll have to check that.Also, consider the following: Mayong created the drachnid, a Tier'Dal grafted on a spider's torso. Venril created the Scorpikis, Iksars grafted on a scorpion torso. Coincidence? Possibly, but interesting nonetheless...

Cragger

05-28-2009, 11:13 AM

Don't confuse lichdom with vampirism.Rile is a lich like his father. Showing he completed the ritual he interrupted of his father. Doing so was just a convienient way to get the weaker emperor out of the way and him to ascend the throne. If Rile hadn't interrupted it his father would be immortal and thus would never die and he would never get to be Emperor, so like any right thinking Iksar he took by strength what was to be his displaying his right to it. We know he is a lich because you retrieve his phylactery from Torsis - City of Mists for a group of Iksar foe to both the Sathirians and Di'zok.This story is continued in the lore from the Greenmist HQ of those faithful to Thule growing in strength and behind a heir of the emperor. The end of Atrebe's lab where Rile comes in and talks to the fragment of Atrebe (Rile's son.) Shows that Rile's physcial form has been reconstituted and he has set out to do what he once had done before. Kill (banish) his father and take his place as emperor of the empire.

DeBasilisk

05-28-2009, 11:33 AM

I hope Rile succeeds, he's a good guy. I'd serve him. Me and all my alts. Hail Sebilis! (or Cabilis, or Torsis, or Kaesora, or wherever he wants to set up base)Also, does anyone know of a good online resource that has a walkthrough of the Greenmist quest with dialogue?

Rainmare

05-28-2009, 06:30 PM

Rile didn't complete the ritual. He stopped Venril, and assumed the throne as a mortal, and died at sea in a great conflict with I beleive Trakanon and company. the Dominous Rile, as the others, were 'reborn' as lesser liches bound to Venril after the Sarnak, attempting to find new ways to kill Iksar, broke into Charisis and accidentally completed the ritual that made Venril an immortal Lich.Venril knows that Rile will never be able to be controlled. SO he hid Rile's phylactery, which is what rile hired that group in Kunzar to find, and they inturn get us to find it. We keep it, and give them a fake. Rile thinks that he has his own phylactery now, and thus has nothing to fear from his father destroying it (and him) if he turns on him. Rile makes the pact with the new Crusaders of the Greenmist, but it's definately in his favor. it sound like it's a 'we'll let you do what your doing in our land...but if we need you, you come when called.' Rile takes no responsibility for what the Crusader's do, but can call on them if he feels the need to.Mayong's drachnids could be there not to watch Venril, but the Ring of Scale. if you remember EQ1, Gorenaire was in the Dreadlands as well, and she was part of the Ring until she went to the Cult. as for Xalgoz..you gotta remember that Mayong is probably one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, non-dragonic figure on Norrath. I'm sure many of these NPCs knowing that wouldn't even say no to a polite favor being asked of them from him.Or Xalgoz, like Opal, is playing the odds. Opal worked for Lucan, and stole Soulfire it seems for Mayong. probably betting on if Lucan found out, Mayong would aid her as a favor repaid or for services rendered. Xalgoz maybe thinking helping Mayong out now, means he can ask for his aid later on if he needs it. Or he fears Mayong more then he fears Venril. doesn't mean that Venril and Mayong have some sort of alliance.

kelvmor

05-29-2009, 01:18 PM

....It's stuff like this that makes me want to have something in game that allows you to pit named mobs against each other. Like Venril Sathir vs. Mayong Mistmoore, for example. Should ask that in July's Dev Question thread.

Freliant

05-29-2009, 01:48 PM

<cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>....It's stuff like this that makes me want to have something in game that allows you to pit named mobs against each other. Like Venril Sathir vs. Mayong Mistmoore, for example. Should ask that in July's Dev Question thread.</blockquote>Lore wise, Mayong would win... game wise, Venril Sathir, because... lets face it... epics have infinate power, so as soon as Venril's power check goes in, down goes Mayong.Mayong has lived much much longer than Venril Sathir, and is much more involved in the underworkings of all things in Norath, manipulating players and NPCs alike. Think of Mayong as a King-Pin of the underworld.

Cusashorn

05-29-2009, 01:58 PM

<cite>Freliant wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>....It's stuff like this that makes me want to have something in game that allows you to pit named mobs against each other. Like Venril Sathir vs. Mayong Mistmoore, for example. Should ask that in July's Dev Question thread.</blockquote>Lore wise, Mayong would win... game wise, Venril Sathir, because... lets face it... epics have infinate power, so as soon as Venril's power check goes in, down goes Mayong.Mayong has lived much much longer than Venril Sathir, and is much more involved in the underworkings of all things in Norath, manipulating players and NPCs alike. Think of Mayong as a King-Pin of the underworld.</blockquote>Mayong is an epic mob too you know.

Freliant

05-29-2009, 07:36 PM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Freliant wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>....It's stuff like this that makes me want to have something in game that allows you to pit named mobs against each other. Like Venril Sathir vs. Mayong Mistmoore, for example. Should ask that in July's Dev Question thread.</blockquote>Lore wise, Mayong would win... game wise, Venril Sathir, because... lets face it... epics have infinate power, so as soon as Venril's power check goes in, down goes Mayong.Mayong has lived much much longer than Venril Sathir, and is much more involved in the underworkings of all things in Norath, manipulating players and NPCs alike. Think of Mayong as a King-Pin of the underworld.</blockquote>Mayong is an epic mob too you know.</blockquote>But Mayong doesn't have an aoe insta death move like Venril Sathir if your power is above 80% or below 60%. So I stand... by current game mechanics, VS will whoop Mayong <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Rainmare

05-29-2009, 08:35 PM

actually that depends I think. if epic mobs can land thier effects on other epics, then Mayong, with his 2 vamp buddies, and his vampire adds, and his werewolf adds...and his stun AE, could prolly burn Venril down before he coudl do his deathtouch thing. I think Mayong hits harder, and has more HP then venril.they made venril a pushover in hp/damage becuase his whole fight is about your power management. Mayong was about add control/AEs...so he coudl still hit hard and have a larger hp pool. and then again...which form of Mayong are we looking at? contested mayong? MMIS mayong? or ToNT Mayong? heh each one of them was a different fight...save that they all had adds and some nasty AE effects.I know MAyong in ToNT upon aggro had like 25 vampire buddies that came running that hit fairly hard...contested has the epic x2 werewolf adds and such...the 'weakest' mayong, if you didn't stake the coffins or have wolfsbane...had 2 vampire adds every so often, the other 2 named vampires, and x2 werewolves...as well as Aes.might be a much closer fight then you'd think.

kittenkabood

05-29-2009, 10:36 PM

I dont think it matters because in game level and abilities have nothing to do with lore

Rainmare

05-29-2009, 11:59 PM

well that's why peopel we're joking on it. Lorewise, Mayong would slap Venril around. so the joke was Lore Mayong > Venril, but people were saying Game Mayong < Venril.but taking another look at it...I think Lore and Game Mayong might take Venril <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Meirril

05-30-2009, 08:05 AM

Game-wise, it depends on how Veniril's attack is written. If he can one-shot Mayong and everything else in the zone when he gets below 65% with his power check then its win for Veniril. If he can't one shot Mayong then its up to his 2 statues to destroy Mayong and its a race between those 2 statues can kill Mayong before Mayong and friends kill VS. Considering that VS is an entire tier behind VS but he does a lot more DPS its a close race.It would be interesting to see a simulation of all the avatars taking on each other ala Mortal Combat. No player inputs, just have the NPCs agro on each other and fight with their scripts in tact.As far as Lore would be concerned, nobody knows how powerful Mayong would be in a battle as there are no witnesses to this every happening. Then again, Mayong would send agents and assassins to do the dirty work if he wanted Veniril out of the way, just like Veniril wouldn't risk himself in such a foolish confrontation. Let the pawns do the dirty work...Unlike Mayong, Veniril has more to worry about from his underlings who have in the past killed him for his position and power. Mayong is surrounded by minions that are bound to him by blood or created to be loyal, litterally.

DeBasilisk

05-30-2009, 11:37 AM

Venril would win for sure. He's an old school Iksar. EQ1 Iksar all had regen! You think you've got him down, but then, he dives behind a rock and comes back fully charged and holding...the Cursed Clover of Viesar! Muhahaha.Gotta love forage...

Rezikai

05-30-2009, 02:01 PM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>Game-wise, it depends on how Veniril's attack is written. If he can one-shot Mayong and everything else in the zone when he gets below 65% with his power check then its win for Veniril. If he can't one shot Mayong then its up to his 2 statues to destroy Mayong and its a race between those 2 statues can kill Mayong before Mayong and friends kill VS. Considering that VS is an entire tier behind VS but he does a lot more DPS its a close race.It would be interesting to see a simulation of all the avatars taking on each other ala Mortal Combat. No player inputs, just have the NPCs agro on each other and fight with their scripts in tact.As far as Lore would be concerned, nobody knows how powerful Mayong would be in a battle as there are no witnesses to this every happening. Then again, Mayong would send agents and assassins to do the dirty work if he wanted Veniril out of the way, just like Veniril wouldn't risk himself in such a foolish confrontation. Let the pawns do the dirty work...Unlike Mayong, Veniril has more to worry about from his underlings who have in the past killed him for his position and power. Mayong is surrounded by minions that are bound to him by blood or created to be loyal, litterally.</blockquote>eh in-game mechanics never really have anything to do lore-wise. that being said while Venril is powerfull, Mayong is still a bit more powerfull. After adventurers defeat Trakanon and use the chelsith stone during the battle you return to the moppet shope and talk to Mayong there under Torsis. There he makes the deal with you to hand over the Chelsith stone to him when he so needs, as we as adventurers were able to get into Chelsith a bit easier then his drachnids could, and that he's going to find out more about the Shissar calendar and such. After the initial quest dialogue if you hail Mayong a few times, he'll evenetually talk about Venril and iirc, says "This Venril fellow could pose a problem." refering to his plans.What i find interesting was during the Anashti Sul deity quests you learn (or at least i did) that Innoruuk was the god that gave Venril the knowledge of lichdom and rituals to become ever-living, and we know Inny and mayong seem to have a "working" relationship. So maybe Mayong sees Venril as more of a rival then... just a thought.

Rainmare

05-31-2009, 08:56 PM

I would guess that the 'could pose a porblem' part has more to do with Venril being a lich then it does with Venril being a rival or threat directly. after all unlike most other problems, Mayong can't really get rid of venril without finding his phylactary first. So venril may hinder him in his excursions around Kunark.Or, Mayong may know about the portents of doom from the Crusaders of the Greenmist, and thinking venril's arrogance might get the Greenmist let loose, which could make getting around Kunark a bit more problematic as well without the iskar controlling it.third, and what I think might be the most likely...is that Mayong is being VERY careful studying these things. he's got his sages and magic users pouring over Zeb's prophecies, he even states he was sending teams in to the chamber to excavate and study the calendar. Until he's sure how things work, he's letting us keep the Chelsith stone safe while he looks for the Monoliths. Venril is the type that would find these things, and say 'look shiny new magic!' and start trying to use it, possibly with some very bad results.

Meirril

06-01-2009, 10:00 PM

Let see. Veniril *is* the emporer of the Iksar Empire. He has knowledge of the ancient Iksar cities. He has a network of spies and armies at his command. Yeah, he could definately get interested in what Mayong is doing and try to beat him to the punch even if he doesn't understand why Mayong is doing it.Even if Mayong took the time to explain to Veniril that he is doing it in order to save Norrath from destruction, that doesn't mean Veniril would step aside. If anything, he would want to become involved because he knows that any potential salvation of Norrath would involve powerful magics that Mayong intends to be his to control, and that Veniril would definately want. Even more than that, its possible that Mayong may intend to re-ascend to being a diety after the shake up in which several current dieties may or may not perish. Who knows exactly what kind of forces may be released in the upcomming conclusion to the Void story arc?

Seraki

06-02-2009, 04:20 AM

<div> I remember doing the green mist quest with people many years ago in old EQ. In the process of making our way though Charasis and picking up on clues Drusella left behind the story of how Venril chose to make him self immortal was was at least partially revealed. It was Innoruuk who he sought and made a bargain with for this. He had to fill a vessel with souls [many of them but I don't remember how many] as an offering to Innoruuk before he could begin the ritual giving him eternal life. Its just a guess but that may be the connection between Venril Sathir and Mistmoor.</div>

Rainmare

06-02-2009, 07:15 AM

the connection between Innoruuk and Mayong seems...flimsy as best. the Y'dal, supposedly Inny first DE race, are his servants in Mistmyr manor. the Sage implies mayong went to the plane of hate for reasons unknown...but we also have the hint that Mayong did actually ascend to Godhood in Eq2's timeline and voluntarily gave it up. so for all we know Mayong and Inny might have simply known eachother in that time period.Venril is the Iksar emperor, and he does command armies. but we also know that his son Rile is already again moving against him, and the crusaders of greenmist are working to weaken Sebilis itself internally. Rile has Korsha now, the original city...and all the information that his own son, Atrebe, left behind. the frogloks have also been working to free thier brethren, and the paladin epic line has us help secure thier hideaway within Sebilis' underbelly.then there is the Sarnak, who are also at odds with the Iksar Empire...though with Trakanon's death we know the Ring of Scale isn't so big a threat right now.If mayong's spies have informed him of these problems that Venril is facing, all the more reason to think Venril might be troublesome. Venril knows about Chelsith, but he's not sure Venril knows what's there. and again, Venril has always been the type of acting first before thinking through. he didn't really plan for interferance when he tried his ritual to make himself immortal, he didn't think to question how sarnak got into charasis before obliterating them, he didn't bother to learn that there were tools to stop his elvish constructs, or that there were devices to counter his connection to Syllok.Mayong can't afford someone like that, with force to actually screw with things, to mess around in affairs they probably shouldn't be toying with...especially if Rile comes knocking on his door, with the crusaders of greenmist, then dealing with a froglok uprising, and the sarnak's annoyance. Venril would definately be the kind to strike fast with anything he might 'discover' reguardless of what it actually does...or making a bargain with another very powerful, very annoyed force we may not prefer to have around again, like Theer.

DeBasilisk

06-03-2009, 04:50 PM

After a little digging through old forum posts, I found this, posted by Vhalen himself:Chosooth is an iksar vampire that was appointed commander of Kurn's Tower. Emperor Rile was the iksar ruler that placed Chosooth in charge of that tower of torment during the Elder Age. However, this does not mean that Chosooth was a creation of Rile. Most vampires that exist within the Iksar Empire are the result of Venril Sathir's foray into the necromantic arts.Kaesora was an ancient temple built in the Field of Bone in the early ages of the Iksar Empire. Xalgoz, a sarnak vampire and Sathir loyalist, would not inhabit the ruins of the ancient temple until the Age of Turmoil. It must also be mentioned that, although Kurn's Tower was named after the then existing warlord Kurn Machata, he did not oversee its operations. Kurn Machata was based in Warslik's Wood where he led an extremely sadistic and bloody campaign against the giants. Chosooth was placed charge of all operations of a second tower that would duplicate the terror of the Warslik's Wood tower. The second tower of torture was originally referred to as, simply, the Kurn. This became confusing to historians. Many placed Kurn Machata in Kurn's Tower and Chosooth in Kaesora. Evidence of Chosooth would be found within the palace of the temple city Kaesora. He no doubt spent time there since it was adjacent to the Kurn.Here's the link: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=391903">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=391903</a>.So, in other words, case closed: Vampires in the Old Empire have Venril to thank for their affliction/boon.

Cusashorn

06-03-2009, 06:14 PM

Yes, but Chosooth and Xalgoz are really the only vampires though. I don't really think that these two single characters should really be used as a basis for all vampires, since they're the only ones on Kunark.

DeBasilisk

06-04-2009, 01:14 PM

Right. I meant all vampires on Kunark, since that's pretty much what Vhalen said.Isn't Mayong supposed to be the First Vampire, or some such nonsense?

Rainmare

06-04-2009, 05:47 PM

Mayong is the first vampire, and unique to his own race. things that bother/destroy others vampires don't really bother him. in fact, the only time Mayong has ever had a lasting injury that still marks him now is when Cristoff hit him in the face with the Ahnk. This device was supposed to be like some super powerful incinerate a vampire in a milisecond type tool..and all it did to Mayong was scar him. Hardly the effect they were hoping for.As to the Kunarkian Vampires...there's only the two. and Venril is apparently responsible for thier existance. which even further cuts down on the idea that Mayong has any dealings with Venril. and Xalgoz I treat in similar fashion to the flavor text during the soulfire line, when you find the emissary with Emperor D'vinn.the emissary basically says 'thanks for handing this over like a good boy...since you know if you'd said no, we'd have just forcefully taken it anyway.'probably a similar situation with Xalgoz. give us the hammer or we'll just take it. I think that's what it was right? the Stormhammer, cause it had one of the runes on it?

Meirril

06-04-2009, 06:44 PM

Actually the Mistmoor emesary talking to Xalgoz is probably there to make nice-nice. Most of Mistmoor's interactions with other beings is diplomacy, scheming, intrigue, and blackmail. While Xalgoz may be loyal to Venril it doesn't mean that the Draknids couldn't of found information that would either allow the Mistmoor agents to blackmail him or offer him information that would provide very useful in return for either information or favors for Mistmoor. Maybe even convert Xalgoz into a double agent.

Chosooth

05-11-2010, 07:07 AM

Sorry to bump a relatively old topic, but I've actually done a rather long study on Chosooth and the events of the Iksar Empire. From 100% in-game lore, as already stated, Chosooth was a vampire, he served as a warlord under Rile, he read many of Sathir's texts on alchemy and cabalism, there is contradictory information about Kurn's tower, in-game lore points to the tower being Kurn Machta's through and through, as it was made before Rile's rule, before chosooth was made into a warlord, but the towers of Kaesora were *certainly* made for him, Xalgoz, a conspirator of the shai'din (exiled sarnak), seeking power, searched through the ruins of Kaesora for power, *Chosooth created both the Sarnak and the Sokokar*, another emperor took the credit (atrebe), he lived an undetermined amount of time (didn't die with Rile's reign, maintained Kaesora) and Chosooth belong to the Nathsar tribe, almost zero lore exists on the Nathsar tribe, but some of the most powerful Iksar in history belonged to it, and most of them have made attempts at immortality, they also had cannibalistic tendencies similar to the Jarsath.From that information, this is the story in between the facts as best I can piece it together temporally centered around Chosooth and Xalgoz:Chosooth came to power with Rile Sathir at around 370 after greenmist, serving with him until his death at sea at around 400. Somewhere in that time, Kaesora was built with the 5 towers that served as libraries/alchemy labs for Chosooth, and the rest of Kaesora served as a royal hatchery.Atrebe comes to power, Chosooth serving as an advisor for Atrebe, created the Sokokar and Sarnak. For whatever reason, Chosooth wants to stay behind the scenes, so either Atrebe takes the credit, or Chosooth gives it to him. This creation suggests Chosooths power to alter life.Around 460 after greenmist the Ring of Scale reunites, Atrebe immediately steps down, giving the throne to Ganak. The Iksar/Dragon war ensues, during the final battle while Ganak is distracted the dragons target Kaesora in order to end the emperors lineage.Things get very sparse on lore here, but in-game evidence still exists.Chosooth, in all likelyhood was still in Kaesora. In the great library section, there is a hallway (that appears to be a zone line that was never finished) that is collapsed. My theory is that Chosooth was trapped in Kaesora. Depending on the nature of his vampirism, he either perished or went into torpor/stasis there.On to Xalgoz.Xalgoz was likely affiliated with the Shai'din, outcasts sarnak betrayers who worked with iksar and other outsiders (see: Chardok B: Halls of Betrayal). Through this contact it is likely that Xalgoz heard of Kaesora. There could be a *very* lofty connection that Mayong Mistmoore heard of Chosooth due to his vampiric/immortal nature and wanted Xalgoz to investigate. Even with that completely dismissed as unlikely, Xalgos did travel to Kaesora, and he did become vampiric there, and he has been there longer than sarnak typically live. It cannot be coincidence that Xalgoz traveled to Kaesora, a place where the *only* vampiric figure in Iksar history lived, and became a vampire himself. Direct intervention of Mayong again is very unlikely, and Xalgoz definitely would not have survived if he became a vampire *before* going to Kaesora, as he would have been killed by his own kind for conspiring with outsiders.So my conclusion is this: Something Chosooth knew, likely learned from the notes of Venril sathir who learned from the necromantic magic of the Shissar, granted a state of vampiric immortality that Xalgoz figured out in Kaesora once he left Chardok. Both Chosooth and Xalgoz exist in EQ2 lore as well, and Xalgoz is alive himself in Karnor's Castle. This means that whatever Xalgoz learned from Chosooths notes and tests in Kaesora granted him indefinite life as something in between necromancer and vampire that is wholly separate from Mayong's power.

Ragnaphore

05-11-2010, 07:22 AM

<cite>Chosooth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Xalgoz is alive himself as the new owner of Kurn's tower.</blockquote>I guess it's a typo but Xalgoz isn't in Kurn's Tower in EQ2, he's in Karnor's Castle (and he doesn't own it either)

Chosooth

05-11-2010, 07:28 AM

Thanks for catching that, I meant Karnor's. I haven't gotten to that content yet, so I must have gotten some misinformation as to what's going on with him in Karnor's, either way, him still being alive proves the immortality property.

Rezikai

05-11-2010, 10:57 AM

<cite>DeBasilisk wrote:</cite><blockquote>-Xalgoz and whoever this Chosooth guy is (I sure don't remember any mention of him in EQlive) are exceptions. They're unique. No other cases of vampires on Kunark have ever been shown.-It's known that Mayong has a distinct dislike for the Ring of Scale. Xalgoz has some link to Mayong, as there's a mistmoore emmisary there, adn I think the sig line in Kaladim shows that Xalgoz was to give Mayong the Stormhammer becuase it bore one of the runes on it.the guy your refering to with Rile...I think his vampirism was after Rile's death at sea..so I'm not sure he 'served' rile as a vampiric general.As to the connection between MAyong and Venril...where did you find that? nothing I've seen so far leads me to think Venril and Mayong have any relationship/partnership on anything.-Rile had three generals who helped expand his empire: Kurn, Chosooth and Karatukus (sp?). I *think* Chosooth was the founder of Kaesora, but I'll have to double check that. Interesting note though, Kaesora was the home of Xalgoz in EQLive. Here's the info from EQLive (copied online), which originally either came from the game booklet or a scroll that could be purchased from a vendor in Cabilis, I forget, but I am positive it was in game."Rile assumed the throne; however, little changed in the kingdom. The son of Sathir seized more valuable land and his ruthless reputation increased the fear of his warlords: Kurn Machta and Karatukus and the vampire, Chosooth. By the time these warlords finished, most of the continent definitely belonged to Sebilis ... all but a few pockets of Giants and Dragons."Chosooth is also the name of one of the EQ2 collectables, "Tablets of Rile Sathir Dynasty."As far as the Venril/Mayong connection, Xalgoz was a servant of Venril even as far back as EQ1. The Mayong emissary in the bottom of Karnor's confirms a connection between Venril's direct servant and Mayong. Also, the widespread presence of the Drachnids "Agents of Mistmoore," in the Dreadlands confirms at minimum that Mayong had a vested interest in keeping an eye on Venril while he was in Karnor. I think there was some sort of mob in EQ1 which had faction hits for both Venril and Mayong, but I'll have to check that.Also, consider the following: Mayong created the drachnid, a Tier'Dal grafted on a spider's torso. Venril created the Scorpikis, Iksars grafted on a scorpion torso. Coincidence? Possibly, but interesting nonetheless...</blockquote>Your connection is the ancient book of necromatic arts that Venril possesed. That prior to he Mayong possesed. It has ancient secrets and rituals allowing one with enough power to create and manipulate necromancy to do elite tasks, such as graphting living beings together to form a new race that can reproduce.Kotiz the Deathbringer was Venril's most powerfull sage and with Venril used the book to learn of these ancient secrets the details i dont remember some of which could be considered vampirism. The actual name of the book escapes my memory but it's in one of the eq2 epic quests.... and one of the eq1 epic quests iirc.At this moment if i remember correctly the book is no longer in Venril's possession it was taken to one of the planes.. hate i think.. back during the inter-game period of EQ1-EQ2... though i could be wrong about that.

Chosooth

05-11-2010, 11:40 AM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your connection is the ancient book of necromatic arts that Venril possesed. That prior to he Mayong possesed. It has ancient secrets and rituals allowing one with enough power to create and manipulate necromancy to do elite tasks, such as graphting living beings together to form a new race that can reproduce.Kotiz the Deathbringer was Venril's most powerfull sage and with Venril used the book to learn of these ancient secrets the details i dont remember some of which could be considered vampirism. The actual name of the book escapes my memory but it's in one of the eq2 epic quests.... and one of the eq1 epic quests iirc.At this moment if i remember correctly the book is no longer in Venril's possession it was taken to one of the planes.. hate i think.. back during the inter-game period of EQ1-EQ2... though i could be wrong about that.</blockquote>There are some questions I have regarding this theory though:What book is this?Why/how did Mayong get it, how did Venril get it?Why was it necessary for what Venril was doing to gain immortality?How did Chosooth find and use it if Rile wanted to keep away from his father's work?How did Xalgoz become a "vampire" in the same sense that Chosooth was?I've never heard of this book, the only thing I can think of is the legendary necronomicon that the mobs in the temple of sythrax allude to, but it has no connection to Sathir.

Rezikai

05-11-2010, 01:26 PM

<cite>Chosooth wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your connection is the ancient book of necromatic arts that Venril possesed. That prior to he Mayong possesed. It has ancient secrets and rituals allowing one with enough power to create and manipulate necromancy to do elite tasks, such as graphting living beings together to form a new race that can reproduce.Kotiz the Deathbringer was Venril's most powerfull sage and with Venril used the book to learn of these ancient secrets the details i dont remember some of which could be considered vampirism. The actual name of the book escapes my memory but it's in one of the eq2 epic quests.... and one of the eq1 epic quests iirc.At this moment if i remember correctly the book is no longer in Venril's possession it was taken to one of the planes.. hate i think.. back during the inter-game period of EQ1-EQ2... though i could be wrong about that.</blockquote>There are some questions I have regarding this theory though:What book is this?Hmm im at work at the moment and cant look it up, it was a very powerfull necrotic arts book that Venril was given iirc by Inny, to learn the ways of Lichdom and other powerfull tasks.Why/how did Mayong get it, how did Venril get it?Inny was the one its said to have given it to Venril iirc, ill have to go re-read that bit but I'm almost positive it was listed somewhere, again at this moment I cant, as for Mayong. He and Inny have always seemed to have a working relationship so i assume thats where Mayong recieved it to learn from.Why was it necessary for what Venril was doing to gain immortality?Hmm i dont know the details other then what I said in the threads earlier post about it. Maybe the arts inside provide the teachings to more powerfull beings a door to lichdom.How did Chosooth find and use it if Rile wanted to keep away from his father's work?I dont know if Chosooth or Xalgoz found it and used it, werent both minions of Venril? perhaps Venril used the rituals and rites on them to give himself powerfull minions and such, again I'll have to go back and review. But I assumed he would have done this before Rile came to power, As by the time Venril attempted to enter lichdom he was stopped by Rile. Perhaps Xalgox/Chosooth were early tests... eh give me some time to go find the info.How did Xalgoz become a "vampire" in the same sense that Chosooth was?I've never heard of this book, the only thing I can think of is the legendary necronomicon that the mobs in the temple of sythrax allude to, but it has no connection to Sathir.Aye its often not talked about last time i ever heard of it mentioned was in the lore channel and it reminded me of reading about it from the epic quests Kotiz's lore i think has some if it somewhere. Again i'll have to find it for you.</blockquote>Oh and wasnt Atrebe killed in a science experiment in his lab?.. thats how i thought he did and next emporer came to be.

Vaedaer

05-11-2010, 09:57 PM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DeBasilisk wrote:</cite><blockquote>-Xalgoz and whoever this Chosooth guy is (I sure don't remember any mention of him in EQlive) are exceptions. They're unique. No other cases of vampires on Kunark have ever been shown.-It's known that Mayong has a distinct dislike for the Ring of Scale. Xalgoz has some link to Mayong, as there's a mistmoore emmisary there, adn I think the sig line in Kaladim shows that Xalgoz was to give Mayong the Stormhammer becuase it bore one of the runes on it.the guy your refering to with Rile...I think his vampirism was after Rile's death at sea..so I'm not sure he 'served' rile as a vampiric general.As to the connection between MAyong and Venril...where did you find that? nothing I've seen so far leads me to think Venril and Mayong have any relationship/partnership on anything.-Rile had three generals who helped expand his empire: Kurn, Chosooth and Karatukus (sp?). I *think* Chosooth was the founder of Kaesora, but I'll have to double check that. Interesting note though, Kaesora was the home of Xalgoz in EQLive. Here's the info from EQLive (copied online), which originally either came from the game booklet or a scroll that could be purchased from a vendor in Cabilis, I forget, but I am positive it was in game."Rile assumed the throne; however, little changed in the kingdom. The son of Sathir seized more valuable land and his ruthless reputation increased the fear of his warlords: Kurn Machta and Karatukus and the vampire, Chosooth. By the time these warlords finished, most of the continent definitely belonged to Sebilis ... all but a few pockets of Giants and Dragons."Chosooth is also the name of one of the EQ2 collectables, "Tablets of Rile Sathir Dynasty."As far as the Venril/Mayong connection, Xalgoz was a servant of Venril even as far back as EQ1. The Mayong emissary in the bottom of Karnor's confirms a connection between Venril's direct servant and Mayong. Also, the widespread presence of the Drachnids "Agents of Mistmoore," in the Dreadlands confirms at minimum that Mayong had a vested interest in keeping an eye on Venril while he was in Karnor. I think there was some sort of mob in EQ1 which had faction hits for both Venril and Mayong, but I'll have to check that.Also, consider the following: Mayong created the drachnid, a Tier'Dal grafted on a spider's torso. Venril created the Scorpikis, Iksars grafted on a scorpion torso. Coincidence? Possibly, but interesting nonetheless...</blockquote>Your connection is the ancient book of necromatic arts that Venril possesed. That prior to he Mayong possesed. It has ancient secrets and rituals allowing one with enough power to create and manipulate necromancy to do elite tasks, such as graphting living beings together to form a new race that can reproduce.Kotiz the Deathbringer was Venril's most powerfull sage and with Venril used the book to learn of these ancient secrets the details i dont remember some of which could be considered vampirism. The actual name of the book escapes my memory but it's in one of the eq2 epic quests.... and one of the eq1 epic quests iirc.At this moment if i remember correctly the book is no longer in Venril's possession it was taken to one of the planes.. hate i think.. back during the inter-game period of EQ1-EQ2... though i could be wrong about that.</blockquote>a friend of mine used to think that the book venril had was a part of shadowspine, but thats none-cannon for EQ2Also theres a monster mission where Venril kills Kotiz and reclaims the book of necromancy who was owned by shissar during their time, some sort of grotesque book whos cover was made with iksar hides or something like that xp also none-cannon as far as i know.Thing is lore on eq1 about kunark and its past isnt too deep other than for the mayor characters, Chosooth is mentioned once, the third of Rile's warlords, what ever was its name was, is mentioned once too. Most quests just talk about Venril or the bosses or any npc related to that quest only.

Chosooth

05-11-2010, 10:14 PM

Well, there's merit to the book having belonged to the Shissar, as it's always been said that Venril derived his necromantic/cabalistic power from them. In EQ 2 this is further validated by the lost city of Chelsith, which is where Venril was said to have gained most of his power through artifacts.As for Atrebe, it is expressly stated that he stepped down from the emperor's position, he was about 80 years old by then so it makes sense.

Dreyco

05-19-2010, 08:17 PM

Vhalen is correct that Venril is responsible for both Chosooth and Xalgoz.Xalgoz, however, was a vampiric sarnak that was sent to Kaesora within the field of bone as a messenger or spy of Venril.As far as Mayong and Venril are concerned... there was a loose tie between the two of them, which is why there are so many drachnids around Kunark near both Karnors and the outskirts of Firiona Vie.

Rezikai

05-19-2010, 09:19 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Vhalen is correct that Venril is responsible for both Chosooth and Xalgoz.Xalgoz, however, was a vampiric sarnak that was sent to Kaesora within the field of bone as a messenger or spy of Venril.As far as Mayong and Venril are concerned... there was a loose tie between the two of them, which is why there are so many drachnids around Kunark near both Karnors and the outskirts of Firiona Vie.</blockquote>Aye after re-reading Vhalen's old posts its a little more clear. Atrebe.. well Vhalen says what happened to him. The old Necromatic book had a name though... if only i could find the refrences... time to start diving into eq1 lore posts... *gulps*

Dreyco

05-19-2010, 10:35 PM

<cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Vhalen is correct that Venril is responsible for both Chosooth and Xalgoz.Xalgoz, however, was a vampiric sarnak that was sent to Kaesora within the field of bone as a messenger or spy of Venril.As far as Mayong and Venril are concerned... there was a loose tie between the two of them, which is why there are so many drachnids around Kunark near both Karnors and the outskirts of Firiona Vie.</blockquote>Aye after re-reading Vhalen's old posts its a little more clear. Atrebe.. well Vhalen says what happened to him. The old Necromatic book had a name though... if only i could find the refrences... time to start diving into eq1 lore posts... *gulps*</blockquote>It was the Book of Zebuxoruk. It had the knowledge of gods in it, which was why Venril was able to do as much as he did.

kelvmor

05-23-2010, 02:28 AM

Question.What the hell does the Stormhammer, gift to Dagnor Butcherblock from Brell Serilis, have to do with Mayong Mistmoore and Venril Sathir?

teddyboy4

05-26-2010, 12:40 PM

<cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Question.What the hell does the Stormhammer, gift to Dagnor Butcherblock from Brell Serilis, have to do with Mayong Mistmoore and Venril Sathir?</blockquote>Well, besides being a very powerful divine weapon, I believe it also had one of the runes on it, that is also found on the Shissar calendar.

kelvmor

05-26-2010, 07:31 PM

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kelvmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Question.What the hell does the Stormhammer, gift to Dagnor Butcherblock from Brell Serilis, have to do with Mayong Mistmoore and Venril Sathir?</blockquote>Well, besides being a very powerful divine weapon, I believe it also had one of the runes on it, that is also found on the Shissar calendar.</blockquote>The Rune of Sunder?Hrm. Now why would Brell add something like that to the Stormhammer? To forewarn his favored children?

Rezikai

05-26-2010, 09:43 PM

<cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rezikai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dreyco wrote:</cite><blockquote>Vhalen is correct that Venril is responsible for both Chosooth and Xalgoz.Xalgoz, however, was a vampiric sarnak that was sent to Kaesora within the field of bone as a messenger or spy of Venril.As far as Mayong and Venril are concerned... there was a loose tie between the two of them, which is why there are so many drachnids around Kunark near both Karnors and the outskirts of Firiona Vie.</blockquote>Aye after re-reading Vhalen's old posts its a little more clear. Atrebe.. well Vhalen says what happened to him. The old Necromatic book had a name though... if only i could find the refrences... time to start diving into eq1 lore posts... *gulps*</blockquote>It was the Book of Zebuxoruk. It had the knowledge of gods in it, which was why Venril was able to do as much as he did.</blockquote>Naw but good guess... Vhalen told us once.. it was named Temporum.. or Arcanum something.. I've been to busy lately to go back and check.