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MDKUK

05-15-2009, 06:32 AM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>No chance to ask the question about when/if the broker feeds from the EU servers would be available then?</blockquote>Wasn't something this group could answer, sorry. When I know anything, please trust I'll post!</blockquote>Thats the problem Calthine, can we trust you? you Launched the new ZAM on the 22nd April 09, its been live for 23 days now and you have absolutely no word on if it will ever appear.You come back with pretty much the same response everytime.Just be honest if its not going to appear just say so, The euro community is quite used to being the step cousin nobody wants <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />We get Game updates 24 hours behind "Normal" servers, Albeit theres another issue! the fact we get game updates 24 hours later but we get server maintenance at the same time as the "normal" servers but as I say thats another issue for another day.

Noaani

05-15-2009, 06:40 AM

<cite>Chakine@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thats the problem Calthine, can we trust you? </blockquote>Of all the people in this games community, Calthine is the one person you can trust without question.As soon as she hears something about the situation, you can trust that she will post it as soon as is possible, reguardless of whether its good or bad news.The real question you should be asking is: can we trust the people that are informing Calthine?

Despak

05-15-2009, 06:42 AM

<cite>Chakine@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>No chance to ask the question about when/if the broker feeds from the EU servers would be available then?</blockquote>Wasn't something this group could answer, sorry. When I know anything, please trust I'll post!</blockquote>Thats the problem Calthine, can we trust you? you Launched the new ZAM on the 22nd April 09, its been live for 23 days now and you have absolutely no word on if it will ever appear.You come back with pretty much the same response everytime.Just be honest if its not going to appear just say so, The euro community is quite used to being the step cousin nobody wants <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" />We get Game updates 24 hours behind "Normal" servers, Albeit theres another issue! the fact we get game updates 24 hours later but we get server maintenance at the same time as the "normal" servers but as I say thats another issue for another day.</blockquote>Can you drop the "we" on that please. Not all of us on Euro servers are whingers. It's SoE you need to whine at, not ZAM. As for the servers (I may be wrong), but aren't the logon servers all in the same place? If so, that's why.

Noaani

05-15-2009, 06:45 AM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, yeah, I just added tidbits of Fyreflyte chatting with players in the FFA channel after the chat!</blockquote>I find it amusing that a lot more interesting questions are answered in the FFA after the official chat, it seems to be turning into a trend.

Thunderthyze

05-15-2009, 07:04 AM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Chakine@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thats the problem Calthine, can we trust you? </blockquote>Of all the people in this games community, Calthine is the one person you can trust without question.As soon as she hears something about the situation, you can trust that she will post it as soon as is possible, reguardless of whether its good or bad news.The real question you should be asking is: can we trust the people that are informing Calthine?</blockquote>I think what Chakine is suggesting is that perhaps Zam should be a little more forceful in demanding an explanation from SOE as to when the EU data feed is likely to be introduced. If SOE are stonewalling then Zam should advise their own subscribers of this. Otherwise the apparent lack of information could equally be explained by Zam being entirely aware of the fact that the EU servers will never be suported but not being prepared to be the bringer of bad tidings. Presumably there is some form of financial cost SOE are charging Zam and at the moment 9.5% of the data is not available. I wonder what the subscribers would have to say if it was AB and LDL that were the servers that were being left out in the cold? Personally I've given up waiting but I can understand the frustration of others who feel continually disenfranchised just for playing on an EU server.

Thunderthyze

05-15-2009, 07:06 AM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, yeah, I just added tidbits of Fyreflyte chatting with players in the FFA channel after the chat!</blockquote>I find it amusing that a lot more interesting questions are answered in the FFA after the official chat, it seems to be turning into a trend.</blockquote>LOL yeah, maybe the raw data feed is the way to go so that we can all pull out the relevant soundbites that interest us.

Whilhelmina

05-15-2009, 10:43 AM

That was a very nice chat. I would have loved to attend but it was really too late for my poor pregnant me. Thank you very much for all the TS question asked ! *loves Domino* I actually liked the question on jum-jum. Never thought of it but it was a good question.

KerowynnKaotic

05-15-2009, 12:31 PM

<cite>Whilhelmina@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>That was a very nice chat. I would have loved to attend but it was really too late for my poor pregnant me. Thank you very much for all the TS question asked ! *loves Domino* I actually liked the question on jum-jum. Never thought of it but it was a good question.</blockquote>heh! Grats, Whilhelmina! Boy/Girl or going to be surprised? ------------------------------<ul><li>Domino: Carpenters may find it worthwhile to investigate -- or send their friends to investigate -- the Estate of Unrest a little more closely.</li></ul>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)----------------------------I got an *evil chuckle* out of this ..Raven: if you're working on items - stop all the dang heals proccing from hostile spells!!!!!!Fyreflyte: "all the"? O.o you mean Unstable Emollient?Raven: there are a lot of items that have the effect - and hell if furies can't heal properly don't let their items do it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I'm wondering how many Furies out there will let any player named "Raven" die repeatively in the raid/group and then 'apologize' for not being able to heal well enough since Fyreflyte nerfed their heal procs ... *raises hand* I know I would be *evil* enough to do so .. Of 'course they are spared my wrath as I only group with the Hubby & friends and rarely any one else .. but still .. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" />BTW, Fyreflyte .. don't stop 'all the dang heals proccing from hostile spells!' ... add more and bump up their bonuses! Free heals are a blessing anytime. And, it gets boring just casting the same group of healing spells over and over .. it's fun to make things go BOOM!, too ...

Thunderthyze

05-15-2009, 12:58 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)</blockquote>Try going in as a group perhaps?Problem solved......next?

KerowynnKaotic

05-15-2009, 01:23 PM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)</blockquote>Try going in as a group perhaps?Problem solved......next?</blockquote>We did go in as a Group .. 3 people = a Group ... ( I got my Skull to prove we did complete it, btw .. )Sarcastic comment answered .. next?

Whilhelmina

05-15-2009, 06:28 PM

I never did this zone but I'm sure I will get there after this GU <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And thanks Kaisha <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's a little boy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Calthine

05-15-2009, 08:35 PM

Kain-UK

05-15-2009, 08:38 PM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)</blockquote>Try going in as a group perhaps?Problem solved......next?</blockquote>We did go in as a Group .. 3 people = a Group ... ( I got my Skull to prove we did complete it, btw .. )Sarcastic comment answered .. next?</blockquote>Three people is a trio, not a group. Unrest was designed for 6 at 70 :p.Though me and Raven have duo'ed it a couple of times...

Landiin

05-16-2009, 03:42 AM

<cite>Kain-UK wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>~ And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl ~</blockquote>Try going in as a group perhaps?Problem solved......next?</blockquote>We did go in as a Group .. 3 people = a Group ... ( I got my Skull to prove we did complete it, btw .. )Sarcastic comment answered .. next?</blockquote>Three people is a trio, not a group. Unrest was designed for 6 at 70 :p.Though me and Raven have duo'ed it a couple of times...</blockquote><tt>'grüp: </tt>two or more figures forming a complete unit in a composition.So yea I'ed say they was a group...

Thunderthyze

05-16-2009, 03:55 AM

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)</blockquote>Try going in as a group perhaps?Problem solved......next?</blockquote>We did go in as a Group .. 3 people = a Group ... ( I got my Skull to prove we did complete it, btw .. )Sarcastic comment answered .. next?</blockquote>You know fine well what I meant. Three players is not a group in the sense of EQ2 design. It's like going into VP as a x2 and, while potentially "doable", wondering why it's so hard. If you appraoch the game the way the designers intended then you won't have any trouble. Try and be smart and you run into the issues you encountered. If you need to tackle a zone then don't blame the design when you attempt it with one hand tied behind your back. End of story.

Noaani

05-16-2009, 08:17 AM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you appraoch the game the way the designers intended then you won't have any trouble.</blockquote>There is nothing wrong with trying to do things in game in a manner in which they were not intended (assuming its not by using an exploit).Taking 2 groups into VP? Sweet, go for it.Taking 3 people into a tradeskill mission? Sweet, go for it.Whats not cool, however, is posting any sort of negative comment that arises specifically from the choice to do the content in a manner other than how it was intended. Any of these types of complaints will elicit a similar response I give to people that try to run Ward of Elements in mastercrafted gear.While Kiasha wasn't specifically stating that the zone was too long or anything, she was getting close to it.

Deson

05-16-2009, 11:36 AM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you appraoch the game the way the designers intended then you won't have any trouble.</blockquote>While Kiasha wasn't specifically stating that the zone was too long or anything, she was getting close to it.</blockquote>See, funny thing is, I never saw her complaining, not even close. What I saw was a clear statement of fact that how they chose to engage it made it long.<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><ul><li></li></ul>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)</blockquote>Spot anything close to a complaint and explain it. The bolded isn't it. What she said was more akin to somone saying" I walked to the mall today and man oh man is that a trip with just two legs. Not planning on doing that again for awhile" and people start replying," Get a car! Drive like they planned it!" If you read a complaint in either, you need a break, reading comprhension courses or something that just helps you see statements for what they are.

Noaani

05-16-2009, 01:19 PM

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>See, funny thing is, I never saw her complaining, not even close. What I saw was a clear statement of fact that how they chose to engage it made it long.</blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)</blockquote>Thats the bit I consider colse to a complaint. Not a complaint, but close. My reply was more to Holymoly than Kaisha.

Deson

05-16-2009, 02:06 PM

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>See, funny thing is, I never saw her complaining, not even close. What I saw was a clear statement of fact that how they chose to engage it made it long.</blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>*whimpers* I was just in there with the Hubby & a Friend .. Our first time since EQ1, lol! And, man o' man is that zone Long and rather difficult for only 3 ppl .. I wasn't planning on going back for a while (read for another year at least) but now .. *sigh* .. Now, I'll be compelled to torture myself and others to get the goodies!! I had been *drooling* over alot of stuff there. *ponders* I'm pretty sure we died over 50 times getting through that zone. (2 lvl 73's & 1 lvl 80)</blockquote>Thats the bit I consider colse to a complaint. Not a complaint, but close. My reply was more to Holymoly than Kaisha.</blockquote>Noted. I just wanted to make the point that it shouldn't even be seen as close because there isn't enough amplifying info to make it more than just humour. When it can go either way, pick the side that doesn't make you(general) post an insulting or snide response.

ke'la

05-17-2009, 03:02 AM

<cite>Holymoly@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>{snipped the quote pyramid as I am told the forums don't like big ones}You know fine well what I meant. Three players is not a group in the sense of EQ2 design. It's like going into VP as a x2 and, while potentially "doable", wondering why it's so hard. If you appraoch the game the way the designers intended then you won't have any trouble. Try and be smart and you run into the issues you encountered. If you need to tackle a zone then don't blame the design when you attempt it with one hand tied behind your back. End of story.</blockquote>Responding to the Yellow text.Really then why does the EQ2 Knowage base say, "A group is a set of up to 6 players..." right <a href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=10746&p_created=1098939583&p_sid=1sL_C_xj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=1&p_lva=16680&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9MTM5LDEzOSZwX3Byb2RzPTIwJnBfY2F0cz0wJnB fcHY9MS4yMCZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc 2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9R3JvdXA *&p_li=&p_topview=1" target="_blank">here.</a>While in reguards to MoB's con title it says "...heroic mobs, which are intended for three to six players in a group to attempt..." <a href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=10760&p_created=1098939676&p_sid=1sL_C_xj&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=1&p_lva=16680&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9MTIsMTImcF9wcm9kcz0yMCZwX2NhdHM9MCZwX3B 2PTEuMjAmcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlY XJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PUNvbg**&p_li=&p_topview=1" target="_blank">Here</a>A group is consitered by SoE to be any number above 3 players, now most Dungons are intended for a FULL group when they are at level(wich unrest isn't for most). However, to say that SoE only consiters 6 people a group is a mistake.

KerowynnKaotic

05-17-2009, 04:35 PM

Oy vey, people! ...<ul><li>(1) No, I totally wasn't complaining about the design of the zone/enounters. </li><li>(2) I (we) fully expected it to be difficult and actually didn't think we'd complete it being an 'odd' group. Me, 73 Fury, Hubby 73 Pally and a Friend lvl 80 Guardian. We aren't exactly high on the DPS rating when combined, ya know.</li></ul>What we did was have a lot of fun, even if there was a lot of complaining on that Mad Tinkerer guy and more importantly .. I collected over (10) pages towards a couple book quests. The 'boys' were merely indulging me for my whim of book collecting. Death in-game means very little to either of us. Combat/Quest exp off for all of us. The Guardian is really an 'alt', whose main is still lvl 53 .. yeah .. figure that one out .. lol!!I had hoped to put off re-doing the zone for a while. I thought till maybe when we were lvl 75 (give or take another year from now) to make it 'easier' and slightly more effiecient. But, with the extra draw of Carp recipes .. I'll drag us back again .. this time with mender kits! .. lol. --I'd have responded sooner but in truth I was very AFK, having a million panic attacks & biting my nails to the quick while waiting for my mother to get out of surgery. I have no problem saying this as she doesn't read the forums, doesn't even understand the point of them and most importantly she came through fine & dandy! Now, I just have to be her devoted slave for another 4-6 weeks and she'll be back up and running .. or at least not hobbling .. Now, isn't there something else to discuss in this thread ... Like .. any guesses on what furniture we'll be getting? I know I was *drooling* over the candlesticks and various glass bottles .. I'd love to have some of the book graphics applied to our in-game books but that's not a carp recipe ... I'd so love some of that wall-paper but I'm not sure the Art Team has gotten wind of us wanting 'panels' of wall paper .. Kinda like a 'wall-paper painting' would be cool to use in our houses. *ponders* ....