Kiara - You owe it to us Necromancers

[Germs666]

<p>Please explain why you constantly lock/delete/derail and flat out avoid any necromancer or summoner related post on the Dev Q & A threads?</p><p>I've had several deleted myself and every round there are questions that are constantly ignored/deleted.</p><p>Will there ever be a fix?</p><p>Will you ever admit that we are lacking in damage compared to every other mage class?</p><p>Is anything ever going to be done?</p><p>Will we ever receive some love much like Coercers/SKs have gotten?</p><p>Some people like myself are just looking for closure so that we can decide if we want to reroll or just cancel our subscriptions.</p><p>Please don't say this isn't a constructive post because there are many out there...</p>

[therodge]

<p><cite>Germs666 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Please explain why you constantly lock/delete/derail and flat out avoid any necromancer or summoner related post on the Dev Q & A threads?</p><p>I've had several deleted myself and every round there are questions that are constantly ignored/deleted.</p><p>Will there ever be a fix?</p><p>Baited question see why below</p><p>Will you ever admit that we are lacking in damage compared to every other mage class?</p><p>another baited question the only way to answer this question is with a yes and if its a no their still lacking damage just lying about it</p><p>Is anything ever going to be done?</p><p>see below</p><p>Will we ever receive some love much like Coercers/SKs have gotten?</p><p>just full of baited questions their only able to answer this with yes or no, if they said no would you except that answer or is no not that much they will get some love but we dont have a clue what we are doing with it yet. isnt exsacally worth waisting a question on as they cant answer it fully</p><p>Some people like myself are just looking for closure so that we can decide if we want to reroll or just cancel our subscriptions.</p><p>Please don't say this isn't a constructive post because there are many out there...</p></blockquote><p>I know your frustrated but their is reason YOUR questions along with many other questions like it are deleted, i have watched that thread carfully and the questions asked are loaded and in order to be answered require specific answers. like...</p><p>When will you guys fix summoners?</p><p>this question is loaded requires specifics such as dates and times.</p><p>Why do you guys hate the summonner classess?</p><p>once again loaded question and requires them to either waste time refuting it or admitting to hateing a class which is a sign of cognitive impairment at best</p><p>Summoners have been ignored for XXX amount of time and the stupid devs wont fix us why cant you just insert random idea here?</p><p>insulting a developer is a sure way NOT to get a question ansered and if they do have plans to fix summoners im sure they have their own way of doing it and wont remark on your idea which you will no matter what beileve is better then theirs.</p><p>here is a good question for the thread you may want to concider asking</p><p>Summoner Dps and utility are commonly beileved to be sub par are these assumed problems being reviewed and if so are their  changes comming in the short or long term?</p><p>This is a good dev question, notice it doesent box the dev in to giving specific answers that they at this time cant give, it doesent contain words like fixes (fix means hey theirs a definate problem and weather you agree or not its their so fix it which will block devs)  and it does not insinuate that their is a definate problem allowing the devs to throw out their, if indeed their plan that the issues seen arnt seen on their side. it also gives them an open time frame were they could say soon (tm) or could say it may take a couple months but is being looked at.</p><p>as you have seen from developer Q and As questions are rarly givin a strait 100% answer so trying to bait them into one will just get your question un answered</p>

[Germs666]

<p>Trust me, I'm well aware that ruffling a few feathers is a different approach then just laying there and taking it from SoE.</p><p>You can try things your way but to be honest they don't really care about their customer base.</p><p>I left EQOA for almost 3 years before I started playing EQ2. Why? Because the screwed necros over big time!</p><p>I see it happening again here. 3 years at 10$ a month that Sony could have had for providing a service to it's loyal customers.</p><p>Hell that's more than I paid for that crappy CD player I bought that's now collecting dust!</p>

[Mew]

<p>We all push the boarders of good politics from time to time because we are all frustrated.  I was just browsing the monk boards and they feel they have the same issues we do - being ignored.  Those posts are also starting to heat up.</p><p>Germs, you have posted some valid questions that we all want answers to.  We need voices to speak up.  But those voices can't speak at all if they get banned.  I think we should all work at keeping our frustration under control and stick to the logical arguments.  Some of us have been very good at it - others less so.  But it is only with a united front and the combined voices of many necromancers that we will see results. </p><p>I have worked customer support before.  Honestly, angry, frustrated posts with little substance get laughed at by customer service reps.  So, let us all keep calm and keep posting specific issues with supporting data. </p><p>If all else fails and you cannot keep patient any longer you have the right to vote with your wallet.  Some very good necro's already have.</p>

[Kendayar]

Just because someone's name is in red doesn't mean they're a dev.

[Sabutai]

<p><cite>Mewse wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>We all push the boarders of good politics from time to time because we are all frustrated.  I was just browsing the monk boards and they feel they have the same issues we do - being ignored.  Those posts are also starting to heat up.</p><p>Germs, you have posted some valid questions that we all want answers to.  We need voices to speak up.  But those voices can't speak at all if they get banned.  I think we should all work at keeping our frustration under control and stick to the logical arguments.  Some of us have been very good at it - others less so.  But it is only with a united front and the combined voices of many necromancers that we will see results. </p><p>I have worked customer support before.  Honestly, angry, frustrated posts with little substance get laughed at by customer service reps.  So, let us all keep calm and keep posting specific issues with supporting data. </p><p>If all else fails and you cannot keep patient any longer you have the right to vote with your wallet.  <span style="color: #ff0000;">Some very good necro's already have.</span></p></blockquote><p>yep, and if the proc nerf goes live they'll have one more.</p>

[Elwin]

<p>Just the reaction of other players to necro's is enough for me to want to cancel my sub. I'm truly over it.</p><p>Honestly it's pathetic and it doesn't seem to matter if you're a high or low parsing necro you are simply not wanted. </p><p>SoE please do something about it.</p>

[Germs666]

<p><cite>Vanand@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>Just because someone's name is in red doesn't mean they're a dev.</blockquote><p>Yes but she's the one deleting and ignoring most of the posts.</p><p>I think necromancers have to be the worst class in game right now (maybe bruiser a close 2nd). I'm not sure why we are ignored. I actually heard a rumor that a previous developer that the staff dislikes played a necro and due to that reason the whole community got the shaft.</p><p>I hope that isn't true but obviously there is a small number of people calling the shots and it's obvious when you see certain (dark elf assassin alch) classes/combos get much greater advantages and hotfixes ASAP.</p><p>Have you noticed this necromancer forum is dead!!!</p><p>Morale is at zero and most have either cancelled or rerolled.</p>

[Levikun]

<p>I highly doubt they are screwing over one class because of a previous dev they hated. Simply bringing that up makes you sound childish. After reading that I imagine you being an Ewok crying and beating their feet and fists against the ground from discontent. If your sole reason in playing EQ2 is to fully enjoy the one class you chose and it is being ignored countless times then quit. I'm sure they will get buffed. We've gone from Summoners topping DPS charts, Guardians topping DPS charts, Chanters topping DPS charts and SKs being God. Things get buffed and nerfed all the time in MMOs. Things will change. If you aren't enjoying your class and rerolling to try out something else is not option then leaving would benefit you the best.</p>

[Germs666]

<p><cite>Levikun wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I highly doubt they are screwing over one class because of a previous dev they hated. Simply bringing that up makes you sound childish. After reading that I imagine you being an Ewok crying and beating their feet and fists against the ground from discontent. If your sole reason in playing EQ2 is to fully enjoy the one class you chose and it is being ignored countless times then quit. I'm sure they will get buffed. We've gone from Summoners topping DPS charts, Guardians topping DPS charts, Chanters topping DPS charts and SKs being God. Things get buffed and nerfed all the time in MMOs. Things will change. If you aren't enjoying your class and rerolling to try out something else is not option then leaving would benefit you the best.</p></blockquote><p>And the Star Wars reference makes you sound really cool!</p><p>Quitting is the answer! Good point.</p><p>I'm one of the handful of people who are actually trying to do something for this class.</p><p>What have you done? Rolled a scout or chanter I'd bet.</p><p>If you can't beat em' Join em!!</p>

[Levikun]

<p>Nope still playing my necro because I like seeing bad things fly out of my hands.</p>

[Xalmat]

<p>The problem is that no one presents Necromancer issues in a calm, resolved, and precise manner. Discussions of any sort ALWAYS break down into extreme bickering. Or the proposed solutions are extreme and very far and away from what a lot of other necros might want, and even what the devs might consider reasonable.</p><p>Just my opinion but unless people start to calm down a bit, I would expect the trend to continue.</p>

[BLIGHTBRINGER]

<p>One of the problems is that we put so much time and effort into our characters, and feel such pride in their advancement.  Previously we were proud of the dps we could do and other classes were envious of our prowess.  it is therefore hard to bare when we find ourselves having been either overtaken by so many other classes, or having slid back behind them.   i was grouped with an illusionist the other day, who's dps was embarrassingly good compared to mine - she killed the  mobs before i got more than a spell or two away!  that doesnt make you feel good, nor does it seem just after all the time and effort put into to my necro. </p><p>after having said that i can see that the dev's have an impossible task ballancing all the classes - whoever feels badly done to makes a case for improvment which automatically affects others.  On top of that there is a huge difference within classes depending on the quality of gear and spells you have which confuses things further.  i am working on the assumption that the pendulum has swung away from us just now (we probably were a bit over powerful at one point) but that it will swing back in due course to a more ballanced position as we do seem to have lost out recently.</p><p>I still  love my necro though.  i can still make myself useful in groups, healing the tank when the healers fall behind, rezzing the dead, handing out hearts, using undead tide and lifeburn when possible, and putting out at least useful dps. I know it is different for really serious raiders though who are competing for raid places.</p><p>Hellstone</p>

[Alienor]

<p><cite>therodge wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>here is a good question for the thread you may want to concider asking</p><p>Summoner Dps and utility are commonly beileved to be sub par are these assumed problems being reviewed and if so are their  changes comming in the short or long term?</p></blockquote><p>Ok, I'll try with this one in this round. Thanks. I'd really like to know if we are the only ones to see an issue here.</p>

[Freliant]

<p>You guys haven't figured this out already??? No one likes Necro Posters <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>On a more serious note, I have read alot of the posts that were deleted, and they needed to be deleted... the posters were berrating the development team and jeering their actions. While that would be nice if it was in the tone of constructive criticism, its only purpose felt like to inspire action through intimidation. Wrong Move.</p><p>If you definately want to get your posts not deleted, phrase your concerns a bit better.</p><p>Also, it was already stated that other classes would be looked on as soon as the fighter changes are done, and the fighter changes got postponed. They didn't say they were NOT going to do them, but instead that they had to work on them a bit more first. Once that is done, I am sure the other classes, including the underpowered summoner classes will get a good once over.</p><p>And no, I don't have a max level necromancer or conjurer, but I do support the fact that summoner dps/utility needs to be looked into. I just don't agree with the approached that has been chosen on the forums to get this done.</p>

[Destria]

<p><cite>Germs666 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think necromancers have to be the worst class in game right now (maybe bruiser a close 2nd). I'm not sure why we are ignored. I actually heard a rumor that a previous developer that the staff dislikes played a necro and due to that reason the whole community got the shaft.</p><p>I hope that isn't true but obviously there is a small number of people calling the shots and it's obvious when you see certain (dark elf assassin alch) classes/combos get much greater advantages and hotfixes ASAP.</p><p>Have you noticed this necromancer forum is dead!!!</p><p>Morale is at zero and most have either cancelled or rerolled.</p></blockquote><p>Really, if you believe this, L2P.  Otherwise, keep playing, calm down and realize that your not the only broken class, or one thats even been consistenly screwed over X-pac to X-pac.  I have rolled and rerolled necros, had a hard time getting into it, but recently rolled yet ANOTHER necro, because the necro in my guild is one of the best parsers in the guild, ranks 2-4 on the raid wide parse EVERY fight.</p><p>As far as people who don't want necros in their groups/raids, they are typically elitists, or similarly ignorant players who don't understand that even a DECENT necro is far more useful then most other classes who are merely decent.</p><p>As far as the assassin thing, well, I have issues with said assassin, seems alot of class favoritism is put in, and they are severely OP, I've watched well geared assassins, no outside buffs parse 10K+ on strictly auto attack.  So yes, I agree there is certainly something wrong as far as class devs go when its the assassins who get the vast majority of love. And frankly, I wonder who it is that put the proc nerf through which is going to hurt assassins the most.</p>

[Cly]

<p><cite>Destria@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As far as the assassin thing, well, I have issues with said assassin, seems alot of class favoritism is put in, and they are severely OP, I've watched well geared assassins, no outside buffs parse 10K+ on strictly auto attack.  So yes, I agree there is certainly something wrong as far as class devs go when its the assassins who get the vast majority of love. And frankly, I wonder who it is that put the proc nerf through which is going to hurt assassins the most.</p></blockquote><p>Google for Aeralik, the class dev, and you will soon find out why assassins are overpowered. And maybe why the chief producer was changed, and why he mentioned Aeralik in his last message...</p>

[Germs666]

<p><cite>Destria@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Germs666 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I think necromancers have to be the worst class in game right now (maybe bruiser a close 2nd). I'm not sure why we are ignored. I actually heard a rumor that a previous developer that the staff dislikes played a necro and due to that reason the whole community got the shaft.</p><p>I hope that isn't true but obviously there is a small number of people calling the shots and it's obvious when you see certain (dark elf assassin alch) classes/combos get much greater advantages and hotfixes ASAP.</p><p>Have you noticed this necromancer forum is dead!!!</p><p>Morale is at zero and most have either cancelled or rerolled.</p></blockquote><p>Really, if you believe this, L2P.  Otherwise, keep playing, calm down and realize that your not the only broken class, or one thats even been consistenly screwed over X-pac to X-pac.  I have rolled and rerolled necros, had a hard time getting into it, but recently rolled yet ANOTHER necro, because the necro in my guild is one of the best parsers in the guild, ranks 2-4 on the raid wide parse EVERY fight.</p><p>As far as people who don't want necros in their groups/raids, they are typically elitists, or similarly ignorant players who don't understand that even a DECENT necro is far more useful then most other classes who are merely decent.</p><p>As far as the assassin thing, well, I have issues with said assassin, seems alot of class favoritism is put in, and they are severely OP, I've watched well geared assassins, no outside buffs parse 10K+ on strictly auto attack.  So yes, I agree there is certainly something wrong as far as class devs go when its the assassins who get the vast majority of love. And frankly, I wonder who it is that put the proc nerf through which is going to hurt assassins the most.</p></blockquote><p>I was waiting for the L2P from somebody... Not everyone strives to parse in the number 4 spot and find that acceptable.</p><p>I can get over 100% crit and take away the illy/troub/healer and the DPS goes to crap status. Scouts only need a dirge to perform.</p><p>Put a similar geared Illy/Coercer/Conji/Warlock/Wizard in your necros spot and you'll probably see more DPS from either class. We can put up decent numbers in ideal spots but look at the amount of other classes it takes and it becomes obvious that we aren't built for DPS.</p><p>We don't have a good damage/utility ratio and haven't for the last 2 expansions. If we can't be t1 DPS or t1 utility, [Removed for Content] do we do?</p><p>Brawlers and Summoners should be priority 1 right now. Read the Brawler Forums.</p>

[Guld_Ulrish]

<p>Necro is a very fun class, but it´s sad to see this when you lfg, "LF Mage dps" (But they dont want me cause I´m a necro I´m not a mage lol.)</p>