selling of void shards?

[coercerinthehood]

<p>i dont know what the heck is going on but there is people selling these things on level 1 toons on livegamer like crazy for mad money 100 void shards for a bin of $90.. this needs to stop!! the same person at a certain forum in game name hurley on the bazaar server is selling 100 of them everday how the hell can you get a 100 voids in 1 day? even if you 6 box.. something doesnt seem right and this needs to be stopped!!! We all know that he bots he dont legit 6 box. i once seen his pathing from the bot he has all messed up in kc they were all running around and happen to hit a wall and stay there for almost an hour trying to run through the wall lol!</p>

[Yimway]

<p>It would all depend on how many level 80 alts / accounts he has and how badly he's exploiting grey shards.</p><p>100/day sounds possible for a truely dedicated 6 boxing farmer.</p><p>There are 10 zones that can be grey mentored?  x 12 character slots?  Sounds like 120/day per account is possible.</p>

[Lleren]

<p>Ok, so you say he is 6 boxing all the time right?   It is quite possible then that he could have a spare 300-600 hundred shards per account,  if he is only gearing up one main on each account. </p><p>Edit --- Didn't think about the grey shard runs, just non mentored play.  I think you can only get 8 zones to grey out ( CL, EF, Lava) but thats still 96 a day per acccount,  if filled with level 75+ characters.  Loping Plains ones only go green.</p>

[Eveningsong]

<p>There have also been reports of people selling level 1 toons that purported to have x number of shards that did not actually have shards once the toons were received.  Since you can't (or couldn't) see shards in the inventory listing, some people are/were scamming with the whole shard thing.  I'm not sure if SOE has fixed being able to see the shards at this point, but I would be very cautious about putting out money for shard toons if I was on a Live Gamer server and in the market.</p>

[Merriestar]

<p>The Op is a noob you don't go around saying things like this in a open fourms channel put in a report because if your wrong and he isnt a bot then what he gets slandered and your none the worse,all I have to say is if your serious post your toons name so we can see it my name is Battle same server as  Hurley and as I see it he is just boxing and your just enveious of him.</p><p>THIS POST NEEDS REMOVED PLEASE !!!</p>

[SpineDoc]

<p>What's the difference?  The game is moving towards a "sell" mentality VERY fast.  Every couple of seconds a pattern or item is up for auction to be looted for plat instead of beating the dungeon as intended.  It shouldn't be too long until SOE realizes the potential benefit and just gets it over with and puts fabled stuff on station cash.</p>

[Gilasil]

<p>Just don't mention names and he's fine and has a very legitimate gripe.</p><p>And you don't need to six box to do it although you may need more then one level 80 toon and a lot of free time to be generating 100 shards a day.</p><p>Gah I wish they'd kill grey shards.</p><p>Lame lame lame.</p>

[LygerT]

<p>i never understood why shards were put in mentored zones, not like you can buy shard gear on a level 40 toon and wear it.</p>

[coercerinthehood]

<p>All im saying is they need to take the ability off the station exchange to buy shards its an exploit and needs to be taken care of .. No wondering everyone is leaving this game is becoming a den for scam,hackers,botters,</p>

[Eveningsong]

<p><cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i never understood why shards were put in mentored zones, not like you can buy shard gear on a level 40 toon and wear it.</p></blockquote><p>There are no shards in mentored zones.  The chests poof.   But level 80's can go into a grey instance (opened by a lower level toon) and complete the shard missions.  Or just do them low green and get the chests and shard missions.</p>

[coercerinthehood]

<p><cite>Eveningsong wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i never understood why shards were put in mentored zones, not like you can buy shard gear on a level 40 toon and wear it.</p></blockquote><p>There are no shards in mentored zones.  The chests poof.   But level 80's can go into a grey instance (opened by a lower level toon) and complete the shard missions.  Or just do them low green and get the chests and shard missions.</p></blockquote><p>Yea they should remove the getting of grey shards.</p>

[LygerT]

<p><cite>Eveningsong wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>i never understood why shards were put in mentored zones, not like you can buy shard gear on a level 40 toon and wear it.</p></blockquote><p>There are no shards in mentored zones.  The chests poof.   But level 80's can go into a grey instance (opened by a lower level toon) and complete the shard missions.  Or just do them low green and get the chests and shard missions.</p></blockquote><p>how do people get them on level 1 toons? are they tradeable on exchange servers? greying out the zone has been known for some time but it seems that it was never an issue because it was never fixed. basically it was left as an incentive to induviduals having multiple accounts to be able to farm shards.</p><p>IMO, this is a tactic to buy time instead of trying to fix the issue and save a dying game.</p><p>people will play regardless of the economical state. a $15 subscription isn't anything people can't afford on a budget especially since it keeps you from going out and doing things that cost considerably more money to entertain yourself.</p><p>ultimately the game has gone to trying to squeeze people with money to spare instead of trying to maintain or increase numbers.</p><p>that is what this boils down to for me.</p>

[Antonette]

<p>Why do you people care so much what other people are doing? 'but they are getting easy t2 armor. Oh noes!'. Who cares? How does that affect you at all? Go run Deep Forge for the 143rd time and stop worrying about something that has no effect one way or the other on how you play.</p>

[Valdaglerion]

<p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p>

[LygerT]

<p><cite>Antonette wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why do you people care so much what other people are doing? 'but they are getting easy t2 armor. Oh noes!'. Who cares? How does that affect you at all? Go run Deep Forge for the 143rd time and stop worrying about something that has no effect one way or the other on how you play.</p></blockquote><p>up down up down left right left right select start</p>

[Gilasil]

<p><cite>Lyger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>get them on level 1 toons? are they tradeable on exchange servers? greying out the zone has been known for some time but it seems that it was never an issue because it was never fixed. basically it was left as an incentive to induviduals having multiple accounts to be able to farm shards.</p></blockquote><p>Since they're now hierloom they probably farm them on other toons then transfer them.</p><p>For many players T2 shard armor is the best stuff that they can equip their character with. By making an exploit the by far easiest and quickest way of getting T2 shard armor it has the effect of making the exploiters better equipped hence preferred for things like raid spots.  Others are then faced with the choice of exploiting to keep their raid spot.  Or not exploiting and being benched in favor of said exploiter. </p><p>Good gear is no longer a badge of having done tougher content -- or even more content.  Now it just means you exploit.</p><p>This has been going on for close to six months and they STILL haven't fixed it.  They've admitted it's an exploit but it ain't fixed.</p><p>Way to go SoE.</p>

[LardLord]

<p>I saw someone asking if anyone was doing "cheese runs" (or something like that) at Befallen the other day...first time I ever actually saw anything relating to the grey zone exploit-thing in game myself.</p><p>Kinda funny...would be cool if they'd fix it, though <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p>

[coercerinthehood]

<p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p></blockquote><p>nope he bots.. done been proven hopefully ban comes soon done reported by over 20 people to gm's .. script shouting out commands oops...</p>

[Dasein]

<p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p></blockquote><p>nope he bots.. done been proven hopefully ban comes soon done reported by over 20 people to gm's .. script shouting out commands oops...</p></blockquote><p>So if that's the case, then the issue is with him botting, not the selling of void shards, which seems perfectly legit on exchange servers. I'm not really sure what the issue here is, beyond one person who may be botting.</p>

[coercerinthehood]

<p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p></blockquote><p>nope he bots.. done been proven hopefully ban comes soon done reported by over 20 people to gm's .. script shouting out commands oops...</p></blockquote><p>So if that's the case, then the issue is with him botting, not the selling of void shards, which seems perfectly legit on exchange servers. I'm not really sure what the issue here is, beyond one person who may be botting.</p></blockquote><div>no the selling of shards needs to be fixed also..  i mean we used to be able to have the person who could craft shard armor use there shards instead of the person wanting the item crafted supplying the shards.. paying 4-5 plat per piece made. Then soe said no and made it to where you have to have the shards in your inventory to get the items made.. and made the shards heirloom to trade among your toons on your account fixed? Nope now all people do is just make a level 1 alt slap the shards on them and sell them on livegamer in essence getting around the no trade-heirloom tag of shards and selling them for a good chunk of cash.. this needs to be stopped they fixed it one way now the exploiters have found ways around this.. i say make it to where when you try to put a toon on live gamer with shards it says please remove shards from inventory and put in bank etc... just like when you cant sell a toon unless you disband guild and your all repaired up and have no exp debt.. its an easy fix. to an obvious exploit.. </div>

[Antonette]

<p><cite>Gilasil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>For many players T2 shard armor is the best stuff that they can equip their character with. By making an exploit the by far easiest and quickest way of getting T2 shard armor it has the effect of making the exploiters better equipped hence preferred for things like raid spots.  Others are then faced with the choice of exploiting to keep their raid spot.  Or not exploiting and being benched in favor of said exploiter. </p><p>Good gear is no longer a badge of having done tougher content -- or even more content.  Now it just means you exploit.</p></blockquote><p>This makes me chuckle.</p><p>If you're loosing your "raid" spot to someone with t2 armor, I think the armor is probably not the real problem. If you're sitting this far into the x-pack and you still aren't fully t2 geared then thats pretty sad.</p><p>Also as someone who has run my fair share of both grayed and non-grayed shard run, I can tell you its faster to get shards running non grayed instances anyhow.</p>

[Dasein]

<p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p></blockquote><p>nope he bots.. done been proven hopefully ban comes soon done reported by over 20 people to gm's .. script shouting out commands oops...</p></blockquote><p>So if that's the case, then the issue is with him botting, not the selling of void shards, which seems perfectly legit on exchange servers. I'm not really sure what the issue here is, beyond one person who may be botting.</p></blockquote><div>no the selling of shards needs to be fixed also..  i mean we used to be able to have the person who could craft shard armor use there shards instead of the person wanting the item crafted supplying the shards.. paying 4-5 plat per piece made. Then soe said no and made it to where you have to have the shards in your inventory to get the items made.. and made the shards heirloom to trade among your toons on your account fixed? Nope now all people do is just make a level 1 alt slap the shards on them and sell them on livegamer in essence getting around the no trade-heirloom tag of shards and selling them for a good chunk of cash.. this needs to be stopped they fixed it one way now the exploiters have found ways around this.. i say make it to where when you try to put a toon on live gamer with shards it says please remove shards from inventory and put in bank etc... just like when you cant sell a toon unless you disband guild and your all repaired up and have no exp debt.. its an easy fix. to an obvious exploit.. </div></blockquote><p>I still don't see what the problem is here. There's clearly a demand for shards, so why not allow them to be bought and sold on Livegamer? Frankly, I think anything should be sell-able via Livegamer- no-trade flags should simply not apply. If you've got something you're willing to sell, and someone is willing to buy, more power to you. If you don't like it, there's plenty of non-exchange servers available.</p>

[wullailhuit]

<p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p></blockquote><p>nope he bots.. done been proven hopefully ban comes soon done reported by over 20 people to gm's .. script shouting out commands oops...</p></blockquote><p>So if that's the case, then the issue is with him botting, not the selling of void shards, which seems perfectly legit on exchange servers. I'm not really sure what the issue here is, beyond one person who may be botting.</p></blockquote><div>no the selling of shards needs to be fixed also..  i mean we used to be able to have the person who could craft shard armor use there shards instead of the person wanting the item crafted supplying the shards.. paying 4-5 plat per piece made. Then soe said no and made it to where you have to have the shards in your inventory to get the items made.. and made the shards heirloom to trade among your toons on your account fixed? Nope now all people do is just make a level 1 alt slap the shards on them and sell them on livegamer in essence getting around the no trade-heirloom tag of shards and selling them for a good chunk of cash.. this needs to be stopped they fixed it one way now the exploiters have found ways around this.. i say make it to where when you try to put a toon on live gamer with shards it says please remove shards from inventory and put in bank etc... just like when you cant sell a toon unless you disband guild and your all repaired up and have no exp debt.. its an easy fix. to an obvious exploit.. </div></blockquote><p>I still don't see what the problem is here. There's clearly a demand for shards, so why not allow them to be bought and sold on Livegamer? Frankly, I think anything should be sell-able via Livegamer- no-trade flags should simply not apply. If you've got something you're willing to sell, and someone is willing to buy, more power to you. If you don't like it, there's plenty of non-exchange servers available.</p></blockquote><p>QFE , it's an exchange server , I can't see any reason for no-trade on the shards on the exchange server</p>

[coercerinthehood]

<p><cite>wullailhuit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p></blockquote><p>nope he bots.. done been proven hopefully ban comes soon done reported by over 20 people to gm's .. script shouting out commands oops...</p></blockquote><p>So if that's the case, then the issue is with him botting, not the selling of void shards, which seems perfectly legit on exchange servers. I'm not really sure what the issue here is, beyond one person who may be botting.</p></blockquote><div>no the selling of shards needs to be fixed also..  i mean we used to be able to have the person who could craft shard armor use there shards instead of the person wanting the item crafted supplying the shards.. paying 4-5 plat per piece made. Then soe said no and made it to where you have to have the shards in your inventory to get the items made.. and made the shards heirloom to trade among your toons on your account fixed? Nope now all people do is just make a level 1 alt slap the shards on them and sell them on livegamer in essence getting around the no trade-heirloom tag of shards and selling them for a good chunk of cash.. this needs to be stopped they fixed it one way now the exploiters have found ways around this.. i say make it to where when you try to put a toon on live gamer with shards it says please remove shards from inventory and put in bank etc... just like when you cant sell a toon unless you disband guild and your all repaired up and have no exp debt.. its an easy fix. to an obvious exploit.. </div></blockquote><p>I still don't see what the problem is here. There's clearly a demand for shards, so why not allow them to be bought and sold on Livegamer? Frankly, I think anything should be sell-able via Livegamer- no-trade flags should simply not apply. If you've got something you're willing to sell, and someone is willing to buy, more power to you. If you don't like it, there's plenty of non-exchange servers available.</p></blockquote><p>QFE , it's an exchange server , I can't see any reason for no-trade on the shards on the exchange server</p></blockquote><p>exactly they made the updates so we couldnt not use shards from someone else inventory for a reason but like i stated before people are by passing that by live gamer.. so either stop the live gamer shard sales or make it back to where we can have the person who makes shard armor use there own shards and pay them instead! Soe make up your mind you fix something but people get around it then nothing happens?</p>

[Dasein]

<p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>wullailhuit wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Dasein wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>coercerinthehood wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I play on the same server as well and that guy is a dedicated farmer not a botter.</p><p>You also have no idea how many shards he has stored up over the past, I dont know, what 6-7 months running those zones daily...</p><p>On another note, if you are so against them being sold, why are you searching for them?</p></blockquote><p>nope he bots.. done been proven hopefully ban comes soon done reported by over 20 people to gm's .. script shouting out commands oops...</p></blockquote><p>So if that's the case, then the issue is with him botting, not the selling of void shards, which seems perfectly legit on exchange servers. I'm not really sure what the issue here is, beyond one person who may be botting.</p></blockquote><div>no the selling of shards needs to be fixed also..  i mean we used to be able to have the person who could craft shard armor use there shards instead of the person wanting the item crafted supplying the shards.. paying 4-5 plat per piece made. Then soe said no and made it to where you have to have the shards in your inventory to get the items made.. and made the shards heirloom to trade among your toons on your account fixed? Nope now all people do is just make a level 1 alt slap the shards on them and sell them on livegamer in essence getting around the no trade-heirloom tag of shards and selling them for a good chunk of cash.. this needs to be stopped they fixed it one way now the exploiters have found ways around this.. i say make it to where when you try to put a toon on live gamer with shards it says please remove shards from inventory and put in bank etc... just like when you cant sell a toon unless you disband guild and your all repaired up and have no exp debt.. its an easy fix. to an obvious exploit.. </div></blockquote><p>I still don't see what the problem is here. There's clearly a demand for shards, so why not allow them to be bought and sold on Livegamer? Frankly, I think anything should be sell-able via Livegamer- no-trade flags should simply not apply. If you've got something you're willing to sell, and someone is willing to buy, more power to you. If you don't like it, there's plenty of non-exchange servers available.</p></blockquote><p>QFE , it's an exchange server , I can't see any reason for no-trade on the shards on the exchange server</p></blockquote><p>exactly they made the updates so we couldnt not use shards from someone else inventory for a reason but like i stated before people are by passing that by live gamer.. so either stop the live gamer shard sales or make it back to where we can have the person who makes shard armor use there own shards and pay them instead! Soe make up your mind you fix something but people get around it then nothing happens?</p></blockquote><p>The change to the use of shards in crafting was a global change. As the exchange servers do not have a separate codebase that would allow for different rulesets (as opposed to the PvP servers), this change impacts all servers. That does not mean that void shards or any other item cannot be sold on Livegamer should players figure out how.</p>

[Daysy]

<p>Just take off the No Trade and people can stop having a panic attack every time someone sells something. So what if someone's selling them? How does it affect you? Why "must" it be stopped"? What other people do doesn't affect my shards.</p>

[circusgirl]

<p>Eh, personally, in my opinion the exchange servers exist specifically so that people who want to do this kind of stuff will go there and not clog up my server.  To be honest though, I was perfectly okay with crafters being able to use their shards.  It rewards that small segment of the player base that bothered to get to 80 in both crafting and adventuring and gave crafters a really good way to make some money--and they still had to work for the shards.</p>

[Kurindor_Mythecnea]

<p><span style="color: #ffff00;">TBH, there would've been incentive to become a void shard crafter if I could've sold my void shards like people used to be able to, but now it's just a meaningless timesink when I can make 40p in 3 hrs from AA runs. Motivating use of content through meaningful, in-game commercial viability is good. Removing that when ample other means for revenue exist...is bad.</span></p>

[Daysy]

<p>The whole concept of the shards and items made with them being No Trade is inexplicable. Imagine if the devs could use their talents only for themselves and not sell their skills for others to benefit.</p>

[Nakaru-Nitepaw]

<p><cite>Gilasil wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Good gear is no longer a badge of having done tougher content -- or even more content.  Now it just means you exploit.</p><p>This has been going on for close to six months and they STILL haven't fixed it.  They've admitted it's an exploit but it ain't fixed.</p><p>Way to go SoE.</p></blockquote><p>Those who don't learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them (LDoN). You can already guess by that sentance how i feel about the shards as a whole... We never really needed it. of course TOS made it possible for me to get my T2 armor, but if TSO never came out, i wouldn't need it in the first place.</p>

[Noaani]

<p><cite>Eschia@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>of course TOS made it possible for me to get my T2 armor, but if TSO never came out, i wouldn't need it in the first place.</blockquote><p>So, your saying you don't want SoE to add further progression to the game?</p>

[Lleren]

<p>Meh, lets just do away with no-trade on drops entirely next expansion. With barely anything ( masters / collectibles / harvests / crafted ) to buy and sell plat has become sort of worthless.  I suppose we'd have to keep it No-Trade for quest rewards and stuff once you've attuned it.</p><p> Oh sure we can buy no-trade through the buying of loot rights, but that sort of defeats the whole purpose of no-trade. </p>

[peepshow]

<p><cite>Vinka@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>To be honest though, I was perfectly okay with crafters being able to use their shards.  It rewards that small segment of the player base that bothered to get to 80 in both crafting and adventuring and gave crafters a really good way to make some money--and they still had to work for the shards.</p></blockquote><p>I could not agree more with you..</p><p>Right now unless your're an Alchemist or a Provisioner you dont have much to craft for, unless someone makes a new alt and wants a set of gear/spells you're workless..</p><p>Let Crafters be able to use own shards again, that way they can do the runs others wiont bother do <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Dareena]

<p><span >(I originally made this post in a similar crafting forum thread.  Since I felt it applied, I've copied and pasted it here.) <p>From my own observations, this change was made due to introducing the Heirloom tag to Void Shards (VS).  While the latest GU removed the ability for commission crafters to use shards out of their own inventory, this change was placed onto Test only after VS become Heirloom.</p><p>The concept that a high level crafter / adventurer could sell (or give) their excess VS didn't appear to be a public issue for SOE.  At the time of the expansion, mass people were screaming that it was an exploit.  Yet in spite of this fact, SOE remained completely silent on the matter.  By lack of action, they gave the impression of endorsing this policy.  It wasn't fixed in Beta, so why should they fix it now?  Selling VS were really only a perk for characters who had high levels in both class systems, obtained all crafting books (from many Mara instance runs), and had grinded out VS like crazy.</p><p>However all of that changed once Heirloom become live.  From that point forward, a player only needed a single high level crafter on their entire account (instead of seven).  Then every one of their high level adventuring characters who were at the level cap could farm gray zone shards and pass them to their crafter.  This allowed these turbo shard farmers to amass 50+ shards a day and move them to a single crafter.  Their crafter could then use this horde of shards to sell entire T1 sets, specific T1 / T2 pieces, or even offer full sets of armor / jewelry.  In fact it got so bad that SOE was forced into a reactionary response.</p><p>It's kind of sad that a minority of people decided to continually use a loophole on such a massive level that the crafter perk was stripped from the entire community.  But sometimes that's how the cookie crumbles.</p></span></p>