What race?

[Shadowdora]

<p>If one does not care about looks is there any race that makes a better Bruiser?</p>

[Liral]

<p>In reality it matters little but there are some nice racial bonuses (see url below) that go better with certain race/class combinations.</p><p><a href="http://home.comcast.net/~eq2gamedata/main.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://home.comcast.net/~eq2gamedata/main.html</a></p><p>Keeping in mind you can betray and become a bruiser at level 10 I will include good races as well so I would suggest the following races.  Barbarian, Dwarf, Iksar, Kerra, Ogre, Sarnak, and Troll are the typical fighter type races. Half-elf, Wood elf and Human aren't bad either.</p><p>In reality any race/class combo works cause you can make most up with gear but those races generally give a small bit of advantage early game and such.</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>The absolute best race for bruiser, without a doubt, is <strong><span style="font-size: xx-large;">OGRE!</span></strong></p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The absolute best race for bruiser, without a doubt, is <strong><span style="font-size: xx-large;">OGRE!</span></strong></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Why?</span></p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Shadowdora wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If one does not care about looks is there any race that makes a better Bruiser?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Ratongas are the best bruisers if you do care about looks.  Otherwise? I don't really know, iksar have a rather OP skill boost.</span></p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>Ogre fits a bruiser from an RP perspective, Ogre has 3% HP boost, Ogre gets a nice stun breakout, but the best reason Ogre is best is because they get extra mitigation!</p><p>Plus size!</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ogre fits a bruiser from an RP perspective, Ogre has 3% HP boost, Ogre gets a nice stun breakout, but the best reason Ogre is best is because they get extra mitigation!</p><p>Plus size!</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Ogre fits the class description well but not the actual class.  They are too bulky and slow to have such high avoidance.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">3% hp isn't that big a deal, the stun breakout is "nice", mitigation well how much?</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Small > big  Ogres are a waste of space, especially on wargs and standing ontop of the broker.</span></p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>maybe 3% isn't a big deal to you, but to a raider it's huge.   3% of 20K health is definetley a big deal, certainly more-so than other races that get 3% power. </p><p> Also the mit is a little over 200 IIRC.  around 220. </p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>maybe 3% isn't a big deal to you, but to a raider it's huge.   3% of 20K health is definetley a big deal, certainly more-so than other races that get 3% power. </p><p> Also the mit is a little over 200 IIRC.  around 220. </p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Oh, well.  It's not worth playing a terrible race just for the traits.  This just shows that the arguement for allowing any race to choose any traits is a vaild one.</span></p>

[Lilvoice]

<p>Ogre!  of course ...why are we even argueing this?</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Fatshadow@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ogre!  of course ...why are we even argueing this?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have never even seen an ogre brawler before.</span></p>

[luder118]

<p><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Fatshadow@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ogre!  of course ...why are we even argueing this?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have never even seen an ogre brawler before.</span></p></blockquote><p>weren't all the bruisers from the epic weapon quest line ogres?</p><p>and I agree ogres would be the best brawler class due to their extra mit (almost as good as another piece of leather).</p>

[peepshow]

<p>I went DE for my Bruiser, cause tbh, I don't think the racial things should deside if I wanted my toon to look nice or not..</p><p>hate the look on the Ogre's..</p><p>But I guess now, at lvl 80 tanking stuff, I would swap to ogre in a heart beat for those bonuses <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>luder118 wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Fatshadow@Unrest wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Ogre!  of course ...why are we even argueing this?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have never even seen an ogre brawler before.</span></p></blockquote><p>weren't all the bruisers from the epic weapon quest line ogres?</p><p>and I agree ogres would be the best brawler class due to their extra mit (almost as good as another piece of leather).</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Those are NPCs.  And it makes no sense for ogres to get mitigation bonuses unless they were to also get heavy avoidance penalties.</span></p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>Why should ogre's get a penalty to avoidance?   THAT is just silly.  No race gets a racial penalty just because onf of their stats is good. </p><p>  Every race gets SOME form of mitigation as an available option in their racial traditions.  Ogre's just happen to be the ones who get "Physical" as the type of damage. </p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Why should ogre's get a penalty to avoidance?   THAT is just silly.  No race gets a racial penalty just because onf of their stats is good. </p><p>  Every race gets SOME form of mitigation as an available option in their racial traditions.  Ogre's just happen to be the ones who get "Physical" as the type of damage. </p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Because having that much of a mitigation bonus is overpowered.  Also considering that physical mitigation is both:</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">A. 3 different mitigation types, crush/slash/pierce</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">B. More than 4x as common as any other damage type.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;"></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">So to make it fair for example, ratonga should get either 18% poisdon mitigation or 9% noxious mitigation.</span></p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>200 mit is HARDLY overpowered.  It's nice, and IMO makes picking an ogre easily the best choice for a tanking bruiser, but it's certainly not overpowered. </p><p>   Alot of races have at least 1 racial tradition that really stands out and gives them an advantage.  Euridite has an amazing 5% cast time reduction, which is amazing for any long caster, IE sorcs, shamans and clerics.  Humans have a bonus (+7 I believe) to crush/pierce/slash/defense/deflection and I think parry.  Talk about alot of benefits!  Iksar have an awesome 50meter ranged CA that can pull a mob from a mile away!  Kerra and wood elves have a physical mitigation debuff, which is really nice.  Dark elves have that crazy buff that people love. </p><p>  I'm just saying there are several races that have some pretty outstanding benefits, but suggesting that Ogres take a penalty to avoidance, well that would just be outright unfair. </p>

[Fluffypaws]

<p><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>The absolute best race for bruiser, without a doubt, is <strong><span style="font-size: xx-large;">OGRE!</span></strong></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Why?</span></p></blockquote><p>being big and hitting stuff is what bruisers/ogres are good for</p>

[TruhlsRu]

<p>I chose a Ratonga for my bruiser and never looked back. Ogres are nice but having played EQ1 for so long andhaving ogres being tanks, BLs and one other class I forget , I decided to make a different combination.  Besides I made my ogre a ranger hehe</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>200 mit is HARDLY overpowered.  It's nice, and IMO makes picking an ogre easily the best choice for a tanking bruiser, but it's certainly not overpowered. </p><p>   Alot of races have at least 1 racial tradition that really stands out and gives them an advantage.  Euridite has an amazing 5% cast time reduction, which is amazing for any long caster, IE sorcs, shamans and clerics.  Humans have a bonus (+7 I believe) to crush/pierce/slash/defense/deflection and I think parry.  Talk about alot of benefits!  Iksar have an awesome 50meter ranged CA that can pull a mob from a mile away!  Kerra and wood elves have a physical mitigation debuff, which is really nice.  Dark elves have that crazy buff that people love. </p><p>  I'm just saying there are several races that have some pretty outstanding benefits, but suggesting that Ogres take a penalty to avoidance, well that would just be outright unfair. </p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Its only 200?  Wow.... /facepalm</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Forget I even said anything, I thought it was 3% like all the other races get for their resists.</span></p>

[Illine]

<p><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Shadowdora wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>If one does not care about looks is there any race that makes a better Bruiser?</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Ratongas are the best bruisers if you do care about looks.  Otherwise? I don't really know, iksar have a rather OP skill boost.</span></p></blockquote><p>problem with female ratongas is that they have a big butt, and so it looks strange with some gi.</p><p>I know, my bruiser is a ratonga ^^.</p><p>kerrans also look cool with a gi, iskars too. Ogres are ugly, even If they are the best bruisers, they are too ugly to be played. But one was right, in the epic quest, there are many ogres and someone even says at one time that the gorynn fists only belongs to people of Zek.</p><p>still it's funny to see a ratonga bruiser kb a mob twice his size <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>problem with female ratongas is that they have a big butt, and so it looks strange with some gi.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Lies.</span></p>

[hansomepete]

<p>I once did a halfling paladin. Funny to look at bad at being a paladin, along with an ogre assasin. Funny as hell to see him go into stealth thou. I like barbarians they have a nice racial combo, my female human one rocks thou. It's funny to see a group of monsters beating her then boom down they all go.</p>

[Illine]

<p><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>problem with female ratongas is that they have a big butt, and so it looks strange with some gi.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Lies.</span></p></blockquote><p>No it's not a lie since my bruiser is a female ratonga and I thnk they get a big butt. They also look strange when riding a warg.</p><p>You can't say what I think is a lie.</p><p>I also know I can't make her wear some stuff coz then she just looks strange.</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Akodia@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>problem with female ratongas is that they have a big butt, and so it looks strange with some gi.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">Lies.</span></p></blockquote><p>No it's not a lie since my bruiser is a female ratonga and I thnk they get a big butt. They also look strange when riding a warg.</p><p>You can't say what I think is a lie.</p><p>I also know I can't make her wear some stuff coz then she just looks strange.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">All other races look strange in EVERYTHING.</span></p>

[Illine]

<p>no my Dark Elf looks great with everything <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[peepshow]

<p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>no my Dark Elf looks great with everything <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>QFE..</p><p>its very easy to find nice gear to a "humanoid" race, but as soon you come to those small ratties, Ogres, Trolls even sarnak its [Removed for Content] hard to find anything that looks good..</p>

[Lethe5683]

<p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>no my Dark Elf looks great with everything <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">The difference is clothes can make ratonga look worse, other races look bad despite what they are wearing.</span></p>

[Xaile]

<p>Personally, I think Sarnak make for great bruisers.</p><p>The main reason I like Sarnak is for their racial trait "Herbal Supplementation". It adds +5 to crushing, and +2 to melee crit. In addition to that, they get a trait called "Break Will", which reduces the resistability of all spells/taunts by 2%. Yeah, resisted taunts are a negligible amount of hate, but every bit helps, and it's also nice to ensure divide and conquer doesn't get resisted, since I believe that counts as a spell/taunt.</p><p>While definately not as good for the whole "not dying" thing as the ogre racial traits of +mit and +3% hp, the Sarnak racial traits amount to greater damage and better aggro holding in either a tanking or non-tanking scenario.</p><p>Still, either ogre or sarnak is a good choice, in my opinion.</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>No race matters... you won't get to 80 an hour sooner if you play Ogre or Kerra (FTW) or gnome or wood elf.  What matters more than anything is how you play, knowing your class.  After that comes friends and guild.  Then comes CAs, armor and weapons last.  Race doesn't even make the list in comparison to ANY of those.</p><p>Choose the race you like.  It matters not a lick.</p><p>RedmouserBruiser, AB</p>

[mhorr]

<p> /agree with crabbok i play ogre bruiser , love the racial abilities cant go wrong imo ,if your vanity conflics with them try illusions as sum zone areas its hard being ''Big-[Removed for Content]''  , my alternate pick would be kerra i love the 50 sec run boost just comes in handy alot hah i even made an ogre ranger nothing like a fatty ogre running @68% run speed</p>

[Illine]

<p>froglocks might be good brawlers too.</p><p>plus their attacks look cool <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Novusod]

<p>Ogre is king right now but next expansion will probably see a racial revamp so don't count on the ogre being king forever. Lore wise I don't think the ogre makes a lot of sense. Ogres are strong and tough but they are also bulky and clumsy and probably too slow to fit a Bruiser which needs to be agile and quick footed. The quintessential brawler is the human but their perfect ballance and disipline is more fitting a monk than a bruiser. To me the half-elf is the true bruiser because they are more agile and quicker than the human and less disiplined too being more akin to fighting dirty like a bruiser should.</p>

[Owa]

<p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> The quintessential brawler is the <span style="color: #ff0000;">barbarian</span>.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: times new roman,times;">Usually I agree with Novusod's posts but I had to fix this one for him.</span></p>

[Novusod]

<p><cite>Owain wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> The quintessential brawler is the <span style="color: #ff0000;">barbarian</span>.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium; font-family: times new roman,times;">Usually I agree with Novusod's posts but I had to fix this one for him.</span></p></blockquote><p>I agree the barbarian definately fits the lore for bruisers pretty well. The barbarians are stronger than humans but quicker and more agile than the clumsy ogres. I just prefer the half-elf.</p>

[Dechau]

Dark Elf Bruiser FTW <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Quicksilver74]

<p>Are you guys still trying to weigh the pro's and con's of other races?   Seriously Ogre is king, both in terms of racial benefits, as well as lore.   Forget about being quick footed, or agile... that sounds far too much like monk talk to me.   Bruisers are more like Professional Wrestlers, the big bad nasty kind.   Were not high flyers, we are theCrazy, sick nasty amazingly stinky monsters who punch, kick, and headbutt our weigh into your hearts and minds.  </p><p>  Kinda like the Juggernaut.  And of course the Kool Aid man. </p>

[thog_zork]

<p><cite>Illine@Storms wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>froglocks might be good brawlers too.</p><p>plus their attacks look cool <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>yeah i have an twink bruiser which is a "pink" froglock ! he looks so great while fighting !</p>

[Uglukson]

<p><cite>Xaile wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Personally, I think Sarnak make for great bruisers.</p><p>The main reason I like Sarnak is for their racial trait "Herbal Supplementation". It adds +5 to crushing, and +2 to melee crit. In addition to that, they get a trait called "Break Will", which reduces the resistability of all spells/taunts by 2%. Yeah, resisted taunts are a negligible amount of hate, but every bit helps, and it's also nice to ensure divide and conquer doesn't get resisted, since I believe that counts as a spell/taunt.</p><p>While definately not as good for the whole "not dying" thing as the ogre racial traits of +mit and +3% hp, the Sarnak racial traits amount to greater damage and better aggro holding in either a tanking or non-tanking scenario.</p><p>Still, either ogre or sarnak is a good choice, in my opinion.</p></blockquote><p>This. </p><p>Plus, your epic/mythical absolutely looks like it belongs on a Sarnak.</p>

[thephantomposter]

<p><cite>Owain wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> The quintessential brawler is the <span style="color: #ff0000;">barbarian</span>.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: times new roman,times; font-size: medium;">Usually I agree with Novusod's posts but I had to fix this one for him.</span></p></blockquote><p>make a bruiser/monk barnarian with the ponytail, get the white GI that drops in the caves in Q and he look sjust like Steven Seagal.</p><p><img src="http://www.heaven-earth.com/images/a_seagal.GIF" width="317" height="450" /></p><p>or</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>It's ok guys, Racial respecs are coming soon.. and you'll all be able to bask in the glory that is Ogre. </p>

[Gaige]

<p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's ok guys, Racial respecs are coming soon.. and you'll all be able to bask in the glory that is Ogre. </p></blockquote><p>He meant ratonga.</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>What is it about Ratongas that makes people think they are leet? </p>

[Corydonn]

<p><cite>Gage wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>It's ok guys, Racial respecs are coming soon.. and you'll all be able to bask in the glory that is Ogre. </p></blockquote><p>He meant ratonga.</p></blockquote><p>You mean Iksar.</p>

[thisthingsucks]

<p><cite>mhorr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> /agree with crabbok i play ogre bruiser , love the racial abilities cant go wrong imo ,if your vanity conflics with them try illusions as sum zone areas its hard being ''Big-[Removed for Content]''  , my alternate pick would be kerra i love the 50 sec run boost just comes in handy alot hah i even made an ogre ranger nothing like a fatty ogre running @68% run speed</p></blockquote><p>if we do get a respec (though i dont know how it will work with the good and evil thing, i guess they could just let you buy a respec off the market place) then ill prob go asari just for the traits, and use what ever "eye" i like the best.</p><p>btw Owain, do you still play? if so what sever? i remember fighting you quite a lot on my Zerker back on Ven. Would love to fight you on my Bruiser after the merge, this is if your still playing.</p>

[Cantilever]

<p>I chose Troll for the looks and RP.</p><p>Bruiser seems to be a more fearsome type of Monk.</p><p>Depending on the books, Trolls have been known to be agile and also like to fight without wepons.</p><p>As far as the racials go trolls making water is similar to bruisers having one heal spell. (ok Im reaching here..)</p><p>Troll Bruiser all the way!</p>

[Owa]

<p><cite>Loche@Nagafen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>mhorr wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> /agree with crabbok i play ogre bruiser , love the racial abilities cant go wrong imo ,if your vanity conflics with them try illusions as sum zone areas its hard being ''Big-[Removed for Content]''  , my alternate pick would be kerra i love the 50 sec run boost just comes in handy alot hah i even made an ogre ranger nothing like a fatty ogre running @68% run speed</p></blockquote><p>if we do get a respec (though i dont know how it will work with the good and evil thing, i guess they could just let you buy a respec off the market place) then ill prob go asari just for the traits, and use what ever "eye" i like the best.</p><p>btw Owain, do you still play? if so what sever? i remember fighting you quite a lot on my Zerker back on Ven. Would love to fight you on my Bruiser after the merge, this is if your still playing.</p></blockquote><p><span style="font-family: times new roman,times; font-size: medium;">Still on Venekor. I just re-upped a couple of weeks back, after a pretty long layoff, after I heard the servers were merging. I don't have much playtime these days as I'm working six nights a week and consequently my gear is pretty pitiful: no myth, 1 piece of fabled, only hands and feet T2 and only 166 AAs. It's virtually impossible to advance your character on Venekor during the daytime as there's sod all people on to group with. I also exiled for some reason just before I quit playing so my master spells are pretty limited too. Thank goodness for the Research Assistant...</span></p><p><span style="font-family: times new roman,times; font-size: medium;">Anyway. So go easy on me when we meet</span>. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Zaibusan]

<p>i prefer  my iksar hes get :</p><p>Increase defense and deflection by 5</p><p>2% melee crit, +5 parry</p><p>3% increase to max health</p><p>and a 12sek dot with 50m range to kill ppl who run away with the last % heath or to prevent stealth going assasins</p>

[Kero]

<p>To me, there's just something inherently cool in a female halfling bruiser.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" /></p>

[Lleren]

<p>I wonder what race will be "best" with the new racial revamp coming...</p><p>personally i am still goign to be a Ratonga though =D</p>